Erm...laws of physics, wrong?

[Vicky.]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/scientists-proved-einstein-theory-wrong-230650760.html

:/

I'm not much good with science...physics especially, but wouldnt this (if it turns out to be right) mean a LOT of scientific research and that has been wrong?

[Niamh.]

I tried to read it but it turned into blah blah blah blah :laugh: But yeah proving Einstein wrong sounds pretty shocking

[Vicky.]

Yeah I was a bit like that. Once it gets into nanoseconds and that it loses me :laugh:

[Omah]

What's a nannysecond ?

:puzzled:

[Tom]

I tried to read it but it turned into blah blah blah blah :laugh: But yeah proving Einstein wrong sounds pretty shocking

basically they found something that travels faster than the speed of light and the speed breaks the e=mc2 theory

Its just dramatised and it wont be that Einstein is wrong but they've just found an anomaly

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15034414

There is a reason why excitement is high but scepticism is rife.

The speed limit put on light by Albert Einstein underpins some fabulously successful theories, and not a single light-speed experiment in a century of trying has credibly threatened them.

And yet... it is worth having a little think about how different things might be if the result is confirmed.

Let us be clear: it would be a tremendously exciting time for physics, and a daunting one for physicists, but it is not going to change the price of milk.

:nono:

[Vicky.]

OMG at the auto tags :laugh2:

[arista]

What's a nannysecond ?

:puzzled:


Super Fast Sex

[Ramsay]

ahahhahahahhahhahahahh

[MTVN]

So we might be able to time travel :amazed:

[Angus]

I so hope it's true - I would hate to think that the universe has no more secrets left to discover.

[Shardlake]

Heard Brian Cox on the Radio earlier, he said if this turns out to be true it will be the most significant discovery in over 100 years.

[Benjamin]

I so hope it's true - I would hate to think that the universe has no more secrets left to discover.

The universe will always have secrets for us to discover. :hugesmile:

[Omah]

Heard Brian Cox on the Radio earlier, he said if this turns out to be true it will be the most significant discovery in over 100 years.

If .....

[Cromwell1900]

So we might be able to time travel :amazed:

I read somewhere that if you go back in time you create a Doppelganger of yourself in a separate reality, spontaneously born into existence, comprising all the stars, Planets, Black holes, Nebula, Matter, Energy, identical to your own Universe.

Whilst you however, experience a series of Windows Error Messages.:shocked:

[Jords]

I think it will be impossible to find out absolutely everything there is to know.

[Shardlake]

So we might be able to time travel :amazed:

If this discovery enabled the ability of time travel, wouldnt we have already seen it from somebody in the future coming back to our present time and informing us that it is possible?

My brain hurts.

[Cromwell1900]

That's what UFO's are they don't contact us because we would hit them over the head and rob there technology. It's a very strong Theory to me anyway.

[Omah]

If this discovery enabled the ability of time travel, wouldnt we have already seen it from somebody in the future coming back to our present time and informing us that it is possible?

No, because they shape-shift to remain undetectable while they carry out the "tests" on us (the lesser mortals) ..... ;)

[Ramsay]

If this discovery enabled the ability of time travel, wouldnt we have already seen it from somebody in the future coming back to our present time and informing us that it is possible?

My brain hurts.

Would anyone believe them tho?
If some guy went around saying he was from the future and Einstein was full of **** everyone would just think hes messed up

[Shardlake]

Would anyone believe them tho?
If some guy went around saying he was from the future and Einstein was full of **** everyone would just think hes messed up

I think a quick demonstration of how he got here might convince any doubters :hugesmile:

[MTVN]

If this discovery enabled the ability of time travel, wouldnt we have already seen it from somebody in the future coming back to our present time and informing us that it is possible?

My brain hurts.

Lol that's true, I never thought of it that way, unless they're made to keep their silence somehow :suspect:

[Tom4784]

Build me a Tardis or ****.

[Cromwell1900]

I think a quick demonstration of how he got here might convince any doubters :hugesmile:

If they could open a cheap packet of Digestives without a pare of scissors, i'd be convinced:spin:

Anyway i'm starting to wonder if David Ike and his Lizards in the White House theories weren't so Bonkers after all. If time travel is possible what else is!

[Shardlake]

If they could open a cheap packet of Digestives without a pare of scissors, i'd be convinced:spin:

Anyway i'm starting to wonder if David Ike and his Lizards in the White House theories weren't so Bonkers after all. If time travel is possible what else is!

Oh god no, not one of 'those' are you? :joker:

There are some really crazy people on youtube who are into the the reptillian theory, one of them has a welsh flag and thinks its 'their' flag because it has a dragon on it :joker:

[Cromwell1900]

Oh god no, not one of 'those' are you? :joker:

There are some really crazy people on youtube who are into the the reptillian theory, one of them has a welsh flag and thinks its 'their' flag because it has a dragon on it :joker:

Well you never see a Dragon and a Lizard in the same place and time do you. Now Then....:spin:

Seriously though i was just making a point about once you except as possible the impossible, a whole new world of strangeness opens up.

[Livia]

It annoyed me when they said on the news that these development might prove that Einstein was wrong. His ideas were ground-breaking and laid the building blocks that have led to the discoveries they're making now.

[Liberty4eva]

I tried to read it but it turned into blah blah blah blah :laugh: But yeah proving Einstein wrong sounds pretty shocking

I think we already know Einstein is wrong. The two big theories in physics are Quantum Mechanics and Einstein's Theory of Relativity. And we know that these two theories are incompatable. There is supposed to be some other theory (The theory of everything) that unites them which is still undiscovered.

[Livia]

Einstein's theories, like all theories, are open to speculation and conjecture. A theory is not a definitive answer. If Einstein was alive today I'm sure he'd be more excited than anyone that new theories are overtaking his original ideas.

[bananarama]

Problem is people believe theories as if they were fact and as such take themselves a long way up the garden path of the ridiculous.......A good theory is pounced on by scientific sheep and kept alive at all costs because they dare not shatter their own biased beliefs......

Another theory that should have been abandoned and shot down decades ago is the theory of the big bang creation of the universe. Its just a matter of time before they eventually see what a ridiculous load of cobblers that theory is also. In the mean time they will still keep inventing stuff like dark energy. Dark matter......None of which has a cats chance in hell of actually being present......Exept in their deluded imaginations desperate to make the maths work to keep the theory alive.......

Modern scientists need to start thinking out of the box,

[Shasown]

Einstein's theories, like all theories, are open to speculation and conjecture. A theory is not a definitive answer. If Einstein was alive today I'm sure he'd be more excited than anyone that new theories are overtaking his original ideas.

You are absolutely correct.

Einstein even said his special theories of relativity were simply models to describe what was known at the time, his prediction of how long they would stand until disproven was way off the mark. They have stood a lot longer than he anticipated.

In fact the discovery by the swiss scientists doesnt disprove E=mc2 at all. Thats just hype for the media. If you throw in reference frames, where the observer(s) are located etc,(the fact that is no such thing as a static reference location and if thats the case there is no such thing as a start and finish point for measurement in either time or space) and a bit of quantum physics, which he hinted at when his works were published, then he is still bang on

[Grimnir]

Problem is people believe theories as if they were fact and as such take themselves a long way up the garden path of the ridiculous.......A good theory is pounced on by scientific sheep and kept alive at all costs because they dare not shatter their own biased beliefs......

Another theory that should have been abandoned and shot down decades ago is the theory of the big bang creation of the universe. Its just a matter of time before they eventually see what a ridiculous load of cobblers that theory is also. In the mean time they will still keep inventing stuff like dark energy. Dark matter......None of which has a cats chance in hell of actually being present......Exept in their deluded imaginations desperate to make the maths work to keep the theory alive.......

Modern scientists need to start thinking out of the box,

I agree

apparently nothing existed 14 billion years ago, then for some unknown reason all the matter and energy in the entire universe was created in a huge majestic explosion and thus began the space time continuum
and for the first few seconds all this matter travelled at warp speeds until deciding on setting a speed limit of "light speed"
don't forget that this universe was created out of nothing and surrounding our universe is.....nothing
AND it turns out the rate of expansion of universe is actually accelerating too
how this possible? empty space itself is expanding :shocked:
so literally nothing itself is expanding into nothingness surrounding it

sounds good theory to me

this theory is brought to you courtesy of mr georges lemaitre.....a catholic priest

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[Photon]

It's amazing to me how little discussion there is about the actual article and the information contained.

Anyway, the CERN OPERA team wasn't saying they'd discovered FTL particles. They were actually reporting that they were having anomalous results. Neutrinos were hitting the target about 60ns faster than photons, which should actually be impossible. They reran the test 10,000~ times with a margin of error around 10ns. Mostly their report was to get other scientists to help them figure out what's going wrong. The OPERA team definitely does not trust these results at all.

The only "good" theory on neutrinos becoming FTL particles would rely on the Standard Model Extension, in which the oscillation that neutrinos undergo(this is how they start as electron neutrinos in the sun and end up as muon neutrinos by the time they reach Earth) would potentially allow them to violate Lorentz Symmetry, permitting FTL speeds. However, this is a theory that is purely speculative. Dozens of theories along these lines get thrown out because they're just absurd, not because physicists refuse to think out of the box.

[Sticks]

This has now been attributed to faulty wiring

See here (http://www.universetoday.com/93716/faster-than-light-more-like-faulty-wiring/)

[Omah]

This has now been attributed to faulty wiring

See here (http://www.universetoday.com/93716/faster-than-light-more-like-faulty-wiring/)

..... and here :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17139635

Faulty connection?

The two problems the team has identified would have opposing effects on the apparent speed.

On the one hand, the team said there is a problem in the "oscillator" that provides a ticking clock to the experiment in the intervals between the synchronisations of GPS equipment.

This is used to provide start and stop times for the measurement as well as precise distance information.

That problem would increase the measured time of the neutrinos' flight, in turn reducing the surprising faster-than-light effect.

But the team also said they found a problem in the optical fibre connection between the GPS signal and the experiment's main clock - quite simply, a cable not quite fully plugged in.

In contrast, the team said that effect would increase the neutrinos' apparent speed.

mmmmm ..... :idc:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17364682

An experiment to repeat a test of the speed of subatomic particles known as neutrinos has found that they do not travel faster than light.

Results announced in September suggested that neutrinos can exceed light speed, but were met with scepticism as that would upend Einstein's theory of relativity.

A test run by a different group at the same laboratory has now clocked them travelling at precisely light speed.

The results have been posted online.

The results in September, from the Opera group at the Gran Sasso underground laboratory in Italy, shocked the world, threatening to upend a century of physics as well as relativity - which holds the speed of light to be the Universe's absolute speed limit.

Now the Icarus group, based at the same laboratory, has weighed in again, having already cast some doubt on the original Opera claim.

Shortly after that claim, Nobel laureate Sheldon Glashow co-authored a Physical Review Letters paper that modelled how faster-than-light neutrinos would behave as they travelled.

In November, the Icarus group showed in a paper posted on the online server Arxiv that the neutrinos displayed no such behaviour.

However, they have now supplemented that indirect result with a test just like that carried out by the Opera team.

Speedy result

The Icarus experiment uses 600 tonnes - 430,000 litres - of liquid argon to detect the arrival of neutrons sent through 730km of rock from the Cern laboratory in Switzerland.

Since their November result, the Icarus team have adjusted their experiment to do a speed measurement.

Icarus collaboration

What was missing was information from Cern about the departure time of the neutrinos, which the team recently received to complete their analysis.

The result: they find that the neutrinos do travel at the same speed as light.

"We are completely compatible with the speed of light that we learn at school," said Sandro Centro, co-spokesman for the Icarus collaboration.

That's alright, then ..... :idc:

[Kizzy]

All they have to do to prove it is repeat the experiment?
In your face science :)