Meat is murder?

[Kate!]

I was just wondering how many vegetarians we have on the forum? As someone who has only recently become a non meat eater, I would be interested to hear what led people to make this lifestyle choice? For me it was my son that gave me the initiative, he had done a project on the subject in school which involved a lot of research. I discovered things that I found distasteful and my son got a little upset about it and announced he wanted to go vegetarian. Being an animal lover myself I decided we would both go for it. I missed meat at first, but its a lot easier now. Don't get me wrong, I still get tempted but have so far managed to resist, and it helps that I love veggies and salad. Anyone want to share their experiences?

[Vicky.]

*puts on tinfoil hat and awaits war*

These threads always go bad :laugh:

[Patrick]

I use to be a Veggie, but my family didn't support it and kept serving me meat and when I refused to eat it I was punished and stuff.

Also in school there wasn't a very wide variety at the time, this was about 4 years ago.

[Ammi]

I don't eat meat, but I'm not a vegetarian

[MTVN]

I can honestly say I've never once thought about giving up meat, I just can't see myself ever doing such a thing and I've never really been affected by the animal sob stories tbh

[Maia]

I'm a proud vegetarian and have been for nearly 5 years now. I don't miss meat at all and to be honest don't really understand the need for it when there are so many nice substitutes for it. And I'm perfectly healthy without it.

[Kate!]

I use to be a Veggie, but my family didn't support it and kept serving me meat and when I refused to eat it I was punished and stuff.

Also in school there wasn't a very wide variety at the time, this was about 4 years ago.

So you got no support then? I imagine you would have kept it up otherwise. Seems unfair really. I can sympathise as a friend of mine has a daughter who also wanted to go veggie and she flat out refused to let her, as it would be too much trouble cooking different meals.

[Kate!]

I'm a proud vegetarian and have been for nearly 5 years now. I don't miss meat at all and to be honest don't really understand the need for it when there are so many nice substitutes for it. And I'm perfectly healthy without it.

Mollie, I didn't know you were a vegetarian too! I think I have heard Kerry the mod say she is one too but not sure and apart from that I am not aware of anyone else on the forum.

[Iceman]

-eats another chicken nugget, whilst washing it down with a good old hamburger-

[arista]

*puts on tinfoil hat and awaits war*

These threads always go bad :laugh:


Tin Foil
good for my Roast Beef.


http://hi.inter-pix.com/db/other/food/fine_dining/b-587007.jpg

Beef Dinner
is Not Murder,
I ain't got a Gun on a Cow
I bought it at AsdaWalmart.




Feel The Force

[InOne]

If Morrissey says it's Murder then it's Murder.

[arista]

If Morrissey says it's Murder then it's Murder.


Bollocks

[InOne]

Bollocks

oRijP5IxP1w

You try argue with him :idc:

[swinearefine]

I'm a vegan and my family is completely against it, but they have no control over what I do. I hatepeople who aren't vegans or vegetarians or aren't considering becoming one tbh.

[MTVN]

I'm a vegan and my family is completely against it, but they have no control over what I do. I hatepeople who aren't vegans or vegetarians or aren't considering becoming one tbh.

:wavey:

[GypsyGoth]

I want to be vegetarian.

[swinearefine]

:wavey:

Hi, sweetheart.

[Pyramid*]

I'm a vegan and my family is completely against it, but they have no control over what I do. I hatepeople who aren't vegans or vegetarians or aren't considering becoming one tbh.

You'll be hating a heck of a lot of people then.

Take it neither you, your family and those people that you befriend possess, used or purchased any of the following:

any item made from leather (belts, shoes, handbags, chamois)
anything plastic, including shopping bags
fireworks
white sugar
and many other everyday products that contain animal products/byproducts known as slip agents.

[Redway]

Couldn't imagine being a vegetarian, to be honest. Don't care what the doctors say. I love red meat. :love:

[Vicky.]

I love meat too much to be a vegetarian. Especially red meat.

So for purely selfish reasons...I would never go veggie.

[Redway]

I love meat too much to be a vegetarian. Especially red meat.

So for purely selfish reasons...I would never go veggie.

This.

[arista]

I love meat too much to be a vegetarian. Especially red meat.

So for purely selfish reasons...I would never go veggie.



Nothing Wrong with Meat.

[Pyramid*]

Nothing Wrong with Meat.

though eating it raw isn't quite so nice.

[Redway]

though eating it raw isn't quite so nice.

Yeah, you're right. Any other meat, though, tastes nice.

[swinearefine]

You'll be hating a heck of a lot of people then.

Take it neither you, your family and those people that you befriend possess, used or purchased any of the following:

any item made from leather (belts, shoes, handbags, chamois)
anything plastic, including shopping bags
fireworks
white sugar
and many other everyday products that contain animal products/byproducts known as slip agents.

I do hate a lot of people, yes. And seeing as I'm not an idiot I research everything before I buy it, and live a 100 percent vegan lifestyle.

[swinearefine]

I love meat too much to be a vegetarian. Especially red meat.

So for purely selfish reasons...I would never go veggie.

That's disgusting.

[Pyramid*]

I do hate a lot of people, yes. And seeing as I'm not an idiot I research everything before I buy it, and live a 100 percent vegan lifestyle.

As do of course, your friends and family?

[Kate!]

That's disgusting.

That's harsh. Vicky is entitled to her beliefs as much as anyone, and to voice them. She hasnt criticised veggies, just given her thoughts. The point of the thread is not to preach or be holier than thou, just a discussion.

[Redway]

That's disgusting.

Posts like this are disgusting.

No, it isn't. If you don't like meat, fair enough. I completely respect your views. A lot of people, however, do like meat and you can't tell them not to eat meat just because you don't like it. She hasn't criticised vegetarians - she's just offered her view; so what's your problem?

[Pyramid*]

That's disgusting.

No more disgusting than hating others who don't happen to share your views or your beliefs and being so utterly intolerant of others having an opinion of their own.

[Lee.]

I love meat too much to ever even consider it... oh and I hate vegetables, so I'd be pretty hungry!

[Kate!]

A very valid point Lee, and I thought hard about making the choice with that as one reason. You wonder if you will still get enough nutrition etc. As I mentioned before though, I love nearly all fruit and veg. And I eat fish, I could never be vegan.

[swinearefine]

No, not all my family and friends are vegan or vegetarian, but they are all considering it now. I live in a very rural area and there's not many vegan or vegetarian options, but a lot of my friends want to become vegan when they go off to college and have access to vegan options and don't have to answer to their parents.

I should clarify my original post. I don't hate all non vegans, just the ones who don't consider it or who are passionately against it. A lot of people are just ignorant and haven't been exposed to veganism or vegetarianism before, and have just heard negative myths such as it is unhealthy. I don't hate people for ignorance, but if they learn about it and still don't care about animals, then I begin to really detest them.

To those who are criticizing me for attacking people who are against veganism and such, it's not because I'm forcing people to have my views. Actually I am extremely open to people doing whatever they want - I'm pretty much an anarchist. I believe people can do whatever they want as long as they do not intrude upon the rights of others to do as they want and be safe. That pretty much rules out murder, animal abuse, violence, stealing.

Those are my views, and I think if other people shared them, it would be a much better world.

[Pyramid*]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8414195/French-vegans-charged-with-child-neglect-after-babys-death.html

Vegan parents who managed to kill their child due to their vegan belief and ignorance as to how it affected their baby's immune system.

[Pyramid*]

No, not all my family and friends are vegan or vegetarian, but they are all considering it now. I live in a very rural area and there's not many vegan or vegetarian options, but a lot of my friends want to become vegan when they go off to college and have access to vegan options and don't have to answer to their parents.

I should clarify my original post. I don't hate all non vegans, just the ones who don't consider it or who are passionately against it. A lot of people are just ignorant and haven't been exposed to veganism or vegetarianism before, and have just heard negative myths such as it is unhealthy. I don't hate people for ignorance, but if they learn about it and still don't care about animals, then I begin to really detest them.

To those who are criticizing me for attacking people who are against veganism and such, it's not because I'm forcing people to have my views. Actually I am extremely open to people doing whatever they want - I'm pretty much an anarchist. I believe people can do whatever they want as long as they do not intrude upon the rights of others to do as they want and be safe. That pretty much rules out murder, animal abuse, violence, stealing.

Those are my views, and I think if other people shared them, it would be a much better world.


Pretty much makes a mockery of your other posts about you hating people who aren't vegans/vegetarians and who aren't considering becoming such.

[swinearefine]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8414195/French-vegans-charged-with-child-neglect-after-babys-death.html

Vegan parents who managed to kill their child due to their vegan belief and ignorance as to how it affected their baby's immune system.

Obviously poorly planned vegan diets lead to death,.as does any similarly poorly planned diet. That couple was ignorant and they deserve the worst punishments available.

I think it's very ignorant that you are using that to try to say that veganism is bad, though. Stereotyping all vegans to be crazy and careless.

[swinearefine]

Pretty much makes a mockery of your other posts about you hating people who aren't vegans/vegetarians and who aren't considering becoming such.

How do you figure? I said I hate people who aren't vegan/veg or who aren't considering becoming one, and I just clarified what I mean by that. I don't see how that makes a mockery of it at all

[Redway]

No, not all my family and friends are vegan or vegetarian, but they are all considering it now. I live in a very rural area and there's not many vegan or vegetarian options, but a lot of my friends want to become vegan when they go off to college and have access to vegan options and don't have to answer to their parents.

I should clarify my original post. I don't hate all non vegans, just the ones who don't consider it or who are passionately against it. A lot of people are just ignorant and haven't been exposed to veganism or vegetarianism before, and have just heard negative myths such as it is unhealthy. I don't hate people for ignorance, but if they learn about it and still don't care about animals, then I begin to really detest them.

To those who are criticizing me for attacking people who are against veganism and such, it's not because I'm forcing people to have my views. Actually I am extremely open to people doing whatever they want - I'm pretty much an anarchist. I believe people can do whatever they want as long as they do not intrude upon the rights of others to do as they want and be safe. That pretty much rules out murder, animal abuse, violence, stealing.

Those are my views, and I think if other people shared them, it would be a much better world.

Just listen to yourself. You're the one who called Vicky's views "disgusting". She shared her view and you had a go at her for it. Why should we respect yours if you're gonna be like that?

[Redway]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8414195/French-vegans-charged-with-child-neglect-after-babys-death.html

Vegan parents who managed to kill their child due to their vegan belief and ignorance as to how it affected their baby's immune system.

Thanks for that. Very interesting.

[Pyramid*]

Obviously poorly planned vegan diets lead to death,.as does any similarly poorly planned diet. That couple was ignorant and they deserve the worst punishments available.

I think it's very ignorant that you are using that to try to say that veganism is bad, though. Stereotyping all vegans to be crazy and careless.


Where did I say veganism was bad? If there's any need for the word ignorant to be banded about: I'd respectfully suggest you read what I wrote....carefully, and then come back and show me where I said veganism is bad, or where I stereotyped that all vegans as crazy and careless.

Step for a hint: my comment clearly stated Vegan parents of one child that was killed due to THEIR vegan beliefs.

[swinearefine]

Where did I say veganism was bad? If there's any need for the word ignorant to be banded about: I'd respectfully suggest you read what I wrote....carefully, and then come back and show me where I said veganism is bad, or where I stereotyped that all vegans as crazy and careless.

Step for a hint: my comment clearly stated Vegan parents of one child that was killed due to THEIR vegan beliefs.

Intelligent people don't always need things to be blatantly stated. By posting that link you were trying to achieve something, and what was it? Obviously that vegans are fanatical and irresponsible because of their zealousness.

[Redway]

Intelligent people don't always need things to be blatantly stated. By posting that link you were trying to achieve something, and what was it? Obviously that vegans are fanatical and irresponsible because of their zealousness.

What was she trying to prove, then? Again, she was only offering her view. You seem to have a problem with people with differing opinions to you. I hate to say it but, if you're gonna be like that, these forums aren't the place for you.

[Redway]

She was only trying to prove why she doesn't want to be a vegan. That's all.

[swinearefine]

Just listen to yourself. You're the one who called Vicky's views "disgusting". She shared her view and you had a go at her for it. Why should we respect yours if you're gonna be like that?

do you respect racists, murderers, thief's, etc? I don't respect people who eat meat. If people don't respect me, that's fine.

[Pyramid*]

Intelligent people don't always need things to be blatantly stated. By posting that link you were trying to achieve something, and what was it? Obviously that vegans are fanatical and irresponsible because of their zealousness.

Intelligent people realise when someone refers to a 'couple' that that is who they were referring to, and not making a generalisation on all vegans.

If you need to question what the point of me posting that link: I suggest you read again the same wording that I referred you to in my previous post. Take the blinkers off and you might see the difference in what I said, and what you think I said.

[swinearefine]

What was she trying to prove, then? Again, she was only offering her view. You seem to have a problem with people with differing opinions to you. I hate to say it but, if you're gonna be like that, these forums aren't the place for you.

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

[Pyramid*]

do you respect racists, murderers, thief's, etc? I don't respect people who eat meat. If people don't respect me, that's fine.

I don't respect people who go around throwing insults about and who hate people for nothing more than the fact others don't share the same view as them.

Glad you're fine with that.

[Vicky.]

That's disgusting.

I dont care.

[Redway]

do you respect racists, murderers, thief's, etc? I don't respect people who eat meat. If people don't respect me, that's fine.

No, I don't respect racists, murderers and thiefs. Those people do not deserve respect. I find it extremely bizzare that you don't like people who eat meat and you're gonna hate 90% of the British population. If, however, you still don't like people who eat meat, fair enough. It's your opinion. I can't tell you what to think. Don't express your hatred, though.

How would you feel if, say, someone who hated all people living in England came on these forums (which, again, is incredibly strange)? You would object to it - because it would piss you off.

Now you know what it's like to be one of us. If you hate meat eaters, all right; but, please, take your negativity somewhere else and stop having a go at people who don't share your views.

Also, you said that it's your view and that we should respect it. Why should we respect your views if you don't respect ours?

You're perfectly entitled to your view but don't take out your negativity on other people. It isn't fair. Simple as.

[Lee.]

Im not looking for irate answers or an argument, but how do vegans get proper nourishment?

[Pyramid*]

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

Therefore you will love tribes such as the Masi Mari who rely heavily on animal products, drinking the animal's blood and many others who do the same thing?

[swinearefine]

Intelligent people realise when someone refers to a 'couple' that that is who they were referring to, and not making a generalisation on all vegans.

If you need to question what the point of me posting that link: I suggest you read again the same wording that I referred you to in my previous post. Take the blinkers off and you might see the difference in what I said, and what you think I said.

I realize you said "couple" obviously. What I am saying is that your purpose for posting that link was to portray vegans in a poor way. Was it supposed to make vegans look good? I know what you said, I don't have blinkers on, and I know the effect that post was meant to have.

[Redway]

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

Well, you're not in this instance. Anyway, I have absolutely nothing against you - except for this thing you've got on, which I think is wrong.

YOU'RE entitled to YOUR opinion but you shouldn't have a go at other people. We need meat. Do we need racists? No. Do we not homophobics? No. Do we need other twisted, perverted, arrogant little cows? No. Do people need meat, though? Yes. It is not your job to tell people what they can and cannot eat. If you don't like meat, absolutely fine. Just don't have a go at people who don't agree with you. That's very childish.

[spitfire]

Of course meat is murder.

[swinearefine]

Therefore you will love tribes such as the Masi Mari who rely heavily on animal products, drinking the animal's blood and many others who do the same thing?

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

[Redway]

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

Fair enough. I see you're really passionate about animals - which is fine. :) For the umpteenth time, though, just don't call people names because they don't share your views.

[Lee.]

Of course meat is murder.

Oh hello.. I'd forgotten all about you! You made me laugh so much last year. :)

[swinearefine]

Well, you're not in this instance. Anyway, I have absolutely nothing against you - except for this thing you've got on, which I think is wrong.

YOU'RE entitled to YOUR opinion but you shouldn't have a go at other people. We need meat. Do we need racists? No. Do we not homophobics? No. Do we need other twisted, perverted, arrogant little cows? No. Do people need meat, though? Yes. It is not your job to tell people what they can and cannot eat. If you don't like meat, absolutely fine. Just don't have a go at people who don't agree with you. That's very childish.

No we don't. It actually reduces high blood pressure, colon and prostate cancers, and heart disease if you don't consume animal products.

[Vicky.]

This thread has made me want a bacon sarnie now but I cant be bothered to cook :bored:

[Pyramid*]

Im not looking for irate answers or an argument, but how do vegans get proper nourishment?

Omega 3 - fatty acids, is a problem. One of three crucial components being DHA.


DHA is a long chain (22 carbon) fatty acid. It is found mostly in fatty fish, in small amounts in eggs, and in very small amounts in seaweed. It is a major component of the gray matter of the brain, and also found in the retina, testis, sperm, and cell membranes. Low levels of DHA have been associated with depression, and high levels and intake are associated with lower rates of heart disease.
Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

[swinearefine]

Fair enough. I see you're really passionate about animals - which is fine. :) For the umpteenth time, though, just don't call people names because they don't share your views.

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

[Pyramid*]

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

Ah.... so again, you change your stance.

What about those who have intolerances to a vegan/veggie lifestyle - can do it, may wish to follow but will cause them discomfort as far as health is concerned.? do you hate them too .... after all, what's a bit of discomfort due to body intolerance vs an animal being killed?

[swinearefine]

Omega 3 - fatty acids, is a problem. One of three crucial components being DHA.


DHA is a long chain (22 carbon) fatty acid. It is found mostly in fatty fish, in small amounts in eggs, and in very small amounts in seaweed. It is a major component of the gray matter of the brain, and also found in the retina, testis, sperm, and cell membranes. Low levels of DHA have been associated with depression, and high levels and intake are associated with lower rates of heart disease.
Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

All of my foods give me adequate amounts of both. As I have said before, we are very lucky to live in a time and place in which these things are available to us.

[Redway]

This thread has made me want a bacon sarnie now but I cant be bothered to cook :bored:

Order fish and chips. Or can you not be bothered getting the 'phone? :p :hugesmile: ;)

No we don't. It actually reduces high blood pressure, colon and prostate cancers, and heart disease if you don't consume animal products.

Those are just some of the negatives, though - with a particular accentuation on red meat. There's a lot of positive involved, too.

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

That's totally fine. It's normal to get worked up in a debate! I don't agree, though, on the fact that meat is bad - because there's a lot more positive than negative involved - but it's your opinion and I'm not gonna change that. It's a free country. You do what's best for you. :)

[Pyramid*]

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

maybe not getting enough Omega 3 fatty acids then if you didn't realise calling people ignorant etc, unintelligent etc was name calling?

[Pyramid*]

All of my foods give me adequate amounts of both. As I have said before, we are very lucky to live in a time and place in which these things are available to us.


Really. you manage to get enough DHA? Call my cynical, but I don't believe you.

[swinearefine]

Ah.... so again, you change your stance.

What about those who have intolerances to a vegan/veggie lifestyle - can do it, may wish to follow but will cause them discomfort as far as health is concerned.? do you hate them too .... after all, what's a bit of discomfort due to body intolerance vs an animal being killed?

What are you talking about? I haven't changed my stance on veganism in two years. In many areas and times people do not have the ability to survive on vegan diets. For example, the Inuits ate pretty much entirely meat. They had to. Like carnivorous animals today, they have a right to life as well.

[Vicky.]

Order fish and chips. Or can you not be bothered getting the 'phone? :p :hugesmile: ;)


Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk :tongue:

[Chuck]

I have been a vegetarian for the past 7 years. I've never really liked eating meat though, when I was younger I didn't even eat fish or chicken because you can see the shape of the animal on your plate and I just couldn't eat it, I have always thought eating meat is vile and felt extremely guilty when I used to do so.

[Pyramid*]

What are you talking about? I haven't changed my stance on veganism in two years. In many areas and times people do not have the ability to survive on vegan diets. For example, the Inuits ate pretty much entirely meat. They had to. Like carnivorous animals today, they have a right to life as well.


You've certainly changed your stance on this thread: sometime you hate non vegan, sometimes you don't.

[swinearefine]

Really. you manage to get enough DHA? Call my cynical, but I don't believe you.

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.

[Redway]

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk :tongue:

Really? Shame. Fish is well decent.

[Pyramid*]

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk :tongue:


Be a devil, get it skinned and suck on the flesh ......... :D

[Redway]

Be a devil, get it skinned and suck on the flesh ......... :D

I love the way they fry them. Tastes epic. *Needs a moment to think about it.*

[Pyramid*]

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.


Okay - so you've confirmed my point about supplements being recommended. (note: I did state recommended in my earlier post).

[swinearefine]

You've certainly changed your stance on this thread: sometime you hate non vegan, sometimes you don't.

In my original post I said I hate people who are not vegan or who do not consider being vegan, I then clarified my brief statement in a later post. I'm truly sorry I didn't write a nine page summary of my specific beliefs for you.

[Redway]

*puts on tinfoil hat and awaits war*

These threads always go bad :laugh:

Seems you're right this time around. ;)

[Pyramid*]

In my original post I said I hate people who are not vegan or who do not consider being vegan, I then clarified my brief statement in a later post. I'm truly sorry I didn't write a nine page summary of my specific beliefs for you.

No apology needed. You're more than entitled to have your opinion, and more than entitled to change your mind.

[swinearefine]

Okay - so you've confirmed my point about supplements being recommended. (note: I did state recommended in my earlier post).

I never denied it. You misunderstood: I get enough of them in my foods my food is fortified with them. I wasn't trying to deny your point at all - you were correct and I was confirming it.

[swinearefine]

No apology needed. You're more than entitled to have your opinion, and more than entitled to change your mind.

Aw thanks pal <3 For a minute there I thought I wasn't entitled to my opinion.

[Vicky.]

Seems you're right this time around. ;)

Its always the same, because its something a lot of people feel strongly about.

This is relatively tame compared to the other threads like this we have had.

[Pyramid*]

I never denied it. You misunderstood: I get enough of them in my foods my food is fortified with them. I wasn't trying to deny your point at all - you were correct and I was confirming it.

There you go again. Making things up and reading something that wasn't said.

I didn't say you denied anything in respect of supplements - I said you were confirming that I was correct.

[Pyramid*]

Aw thanks pal <3 For a minute there I thought I wasn't entitled to my opinion.

Don't be silly. I'm quite happy to accept someone elses opinion - I might not agree with it - but I'm pleased to say I don't go around hating people for not believing in the same things I do.

Call me considerate that way. :D

[Redway]

Its always the same, because its something a lot of people feel strongly about.

This is relatively tame compared to the other threads like this we have had.

You'll have to inform me. I haven't been on here for a while now, you see? ;)

[swinearefine]

There you go again. Making things up and reading something that wasn't said.

I didn't say you denied anything in respect of supplements - I said you were confirming that I was correct.

It was the way you wrote your response. You said "okay - so you confirmed my point" as if I finally had admitted it after my initial response to your post.

[swinearefine]

Wulp unfortunately I can't continue this girly chat of ours </3 I have to go sing a sea chanty with my gal pals. But thanks for the debate errbody, it's been lovely.

[Lee.]

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.

What about calcium? How do you get that?

[Pyramid*]

It was the way you wrote your response. You said "okay - so you confirmed my point" as if I finally had admitted it after my initial response to your post.


Stop making things up about what you 'think' was said. What I said is what I said and particularly, given that was on the back of my earlier post which stated.


Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

[spitfire]

What about calcium? How do you get that?
Collard greens

[Pyramid*]

What about calcium? How do you get that?

Doesn't have to come from dairy products. High calcium in things such as broccoli, kale etc - spinach (though the latter not so much).

foods have calcium added to them so sourced from that side too.

[Lee.]

Collard greens

Doesn't have to come from dairy products. High calcium in things such as broccoli, kale etc - spinach (though the latter not so much).

foods have calcium added to them so sourced from that side too.

Iron? I suppose green vegetables too? Geez, I would actually end to seriously ill if I was vegan!

[spitfire]

Iron? I suppose green vegetables too? Geez, I would actually end to seriously ill if I was vegan!
The only animal i'd eat is Neil Lennon.<spits>

[Vicky.]

With all the supplements that seem to be needed, Im surprised vegans dont rattle when they walk

[Pyramid*]

Iron? I suppose green vegetables too? Geez, I would actually end to seriously ill if I was vegan!

pulses, grain type foods, beans, green veggies as you say.

[Lee.]

The only animal i'd eat is Neil Lennon.<spits>

I won't say on here what I'd like to do to him. :evilgrin:

[Pyramid*]

The only animal i'd eat is Neil Lennon.<spits>


Whoa there. That's a bit of an insult......to the animal world.

[spitfire]

Whoa there. That's a bit of an insult......to the animal world.
I do appologise to our furry friends.:spin:

[Lee.]

With all the supplements that seem to be needed, Im surprised vegans dont rattle when they walk

I'm not saying veganism is wrong, but having to supplement a diet so much surely means its a poor way to eat?

[Pyramid*]

I do appologise to our furry friends.:spin:


Atta boy!! :D

[Pyramid*]

I'm not saying veganism is wrong, but having to supplement a diet so much surely means its a poor way to eat?

Takes a lot to learn I'd imagine to get it right and as balanced as it can be, but like everything else: when you're used to living a certain way - it becomes the norm and you know what you need to be eating to ensure the body gets what it requires.

Apart from the fact that I like certain types of meat, fish etc: I cba with it.

[Lee.]

I can't imagine life without Cathedral City :bored:

[Redway]

Being a vegan's incredibly difficult, IMO. Why bother going to all the trouble of buying supplements when you can eat meat? Saves you all the walking around. Seems incredibly bizarre to me but - hey - that's just my opinion.

[spitfire]

Why bother going to all the trouble of buying supplements when you can eat meat?Hey, why go to work when you can rob old ladies.

[Redway]

Hey, why go to work when you can rob old ladies.

Why? No one does that because it's horrible, illegal and you could get arrested for that? Also, what sick, twisted mind would get a kick out of robbing old ladies - who probably aren't that loaded, anyway?

[spitfire]

No one does that because it's horrible,As is eating murdered animals.

[Pyramid*]

I can't imagine life without Cathedral City :bored:

Galloway for me .......

[Redway]

As is eating murdered animals.

No, it isn't. In fact, d'you know what? Never mind. It's 20 to 12 and I just can't be arsed having a heated debate. Come back tomorrow and then we'll talk. ;)

[spitfire]

It is.

[Redway]

It is.

:bored:

[Iceman]

-is having Roast Beef tomorrow-

YUM

[Iceman]

As is eating murdered animals.

But they taste bloody good.

[Chuck]

I'm not gonna cook meat for you when you come over Eoin :nono:

[InOne]

Some of the PETA vids really do put me off meat. But they often show the extreme of the extreme. And it's also often less developed countaries than ours.

[Pyramid*]

Some of the PETA vids really do put me off meat. But they often show the extreme of the extreme. And it's also often less developed countaries than ours.


Not so sure about the 'less developed countries'..... I have a friend who is part of PETA - and a lot happens here in our own back yard.

*had to give her a loan of cat travel box to rescue some chickens.... !!!*

[MeMyselfAndI]

I'm a vegetarian, eating meat is selfish

[InOne]

Not so sure about the 'less developed countries'..... I have a friend who is part of PETA - and a lot happens here in our own back yard.

*had to give her a loan of cat travel box to rescue some chickens.... !!!*

No but the vids of the bad stuff are in those types of countaries

[Pyramid*]

No but the vids of the bad stuff are in those types of countaries

It's countries btw. ;)


I agree, there are a heck of a lot of worse. The monkey brains/toffee hammer stuff - now that's sick beyond belief (as well as a great many other live skinnings/ eatings).

But so too can be said of many shellfish for example, in less developed countries, dropped into boiling hot water etc. You know: pick your live crab / lobster from the tank and 15 mins later, it's on your plate.

[InOne]

It's countries btw. ;)


I agree, there are a heck of a lot of worse. The monkey brains/toffee hammer stuff - now that's sick beyond belief (as well as a great many other live skinnings/ eatings).

But so too can be said of many shellfish for example, in less developed countries, dropped into boiling hot water etc. You know: pick your live crab / lobster from the tank and 15 mins later, it's on your plate.

I'm hungover :hmph:

And I hate seafood lol But they're not getting bricks dropped on their head and stuff

[Pyramid*]

I'm hungover :hmph:

And I hate seafood lol But they're not getting bricks dropped on their head and stuff

you realise that dropping a brick on head, if it results in instant death, is far less brutal, far less agonising that being boiled to death?

Actually, scrub that. You don't realise that, otherwise you'd not have used it as an example.

[Vicky.]

*Remebers that horrible video smithy(?) posted*

The one where the farmer people were stabbing cows with pitchforks and that :sad:

[InOne]

you realise that dropping a brick on head, if it results in instant death, is far less brutal, far less agonising that being boiled to death?

Actually, scrub that. You don't realise that, otherwise you'd not have used it as an example.

Yeah but it doesn't often result in instant death does it. Especially if it's a pig

[Pyramid*]

Yeah but it doesn't often result in instant death does it. Especially if it's a pig

when was the last time you saw a vid to a pig having a brick dropped on it's head?

[Pyramid*]

*Remebers that horrible video smithy(?) posted*

The one where the farmer people were stabbing cows with pitchforks and that :sad:


That kind of stuff makes me almost physcially sick - I really struggle to watch that sort of abuse.

[InOne]

when was the last time you saw a vid to a pig having a brick dropped on it's head?

Would you like me to post a vid of it?

[InOne]

x395lv

[MeMyselfAndI]

:sad:

[Smithy]

*Remebers that horrible video smithy(?) posted*

The one where the farmer people were stabbing cows with pitchforks and that :sad:

Yah, twas meh

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160796&highlight=

[LemonJam]

I've been a vegetarian for over 5 years because the concept of eating flesh is just weird to me personally. Also I feel bad for the animals because I'm hypersensitive LOL.

I used to shove my opinions in peoples faces when I started as a vegetarian but then realised it's just how the way the world works. There's no stopping supply and demand.

[InOne]

I don't really agree with PETA and don't like the extremism, but one thing they're great at is nailing the point home. For example with that vid, it will probably stay with me for life

[Iceman]

Stay on topic please.

[Redway]

Stay on topic please.

Fair enough.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I've been a vegetarian for over 5 years because the concept of eating flesh is just weird to me personally. Also I feel bad for the animals because I'm hypersensitive LOL.

I used to shove my opinions in peoples faces when I started as a vegetarian but then realised it's just how the way the world works. There's no stopping supply and demand.

I think this is similar to me. Like i don't leave the room anymore when my friends are eating meat.

[Vicky.]

I think this is similar to me. Like i don't leave the room anymore when my friends are eating meat.

I had a mate who used to go absolutely mental at me for eating meat when she was there. I mean, it wasnt like I did it on purpose, she generally turned up when I was making my tea, and Im hardly going to chuck the meat away just because shes there.

Then one time she turned up at like 3pm on a sunday when I was making dinner for my family who were coming over later on...and started whinging on about the house smelling of beef, so I kicked her out and told her to go **** herself with carrot if she loves veggies so much...after this she stopped being such a bitch about me eating meat.

Good times.

[Josy]

I had a mate who used to go absolutely mental at me for eating meat when she was there. I mean, it wasnt like I did it on purpose, she generally turned up when I was making my tea, and Im hardly going to chuck the meat away just because shes there.

Then one time she turned up at like 3pm on a sunday when I was making dinner for my family who were coming over later on...and started whinging on about the house smelling of beef, so I kicked her out and told her to go **** herself with carrot if she loves veggies so much...after this she stopped being such a bitch about me eating meat.

Good times.

:joker:

I love fruit and veg but I could never cut meat out completely.

[Redway]

I had a mate who used to go absolutely mental at me for eating meat when she was there. I mean, it wasnt like I did it on purpose, she generally turned up when I was making my tea, and Im hardly going to chuck the meat away just because shes there.

Then one time she turned up at like 3pm on a sunday when I was making dinner for my family who were coming over later on...and started whinging on about the house smelling of beef, so I kicked her out and told her to go **** herself with carrot if she loves veggies so much...after this she stopped being such a bitch about me eating meat.

Good times.

:joker:

[Iceman]

:laugh2: good on you Vicky

[Pyramid*]

Here's an example of complete hypocrisy.

A girl is know is a strict veggie: but eats animal by products, but still doesn't believe in killing animals for us to survive.

She however buys packets of all the cheap packaged meats - you know, like the buy 3 for £2 offers of cold ham, turkey, chicken etc - all the crap stuff................. to feed to her animals.

why keep animals that rely on meat as part of their diet then - the same meat that she refuses to eat due to the unnecesary killing of said animal....when the animals meat is still being used to feed her own animals.?

Beggars belief that one. And I know quite a few that do the same thing - though they aren't quite as rigid -it's more 'just their own choice in how they personally eat', rather than from an animal rights pov.

[Vicky.]

Can you get vegetarian pet food?

Then again, I think its unfair to deny animals something they clearly love just because of your beliefs.

[Pyramid*]

Can you get vegetarian pet food?

Then again, I think its unfair to deny animals something they clearly love just because of your beliefs.

No idea tbh. I simply don't get the thought process behind it... don't kill animals for food,.... but when it comes to me feeding my animals, who need meat, ... ach well I'll still purchase the scraps and crap from the animal that was intially killed for human consumption in the first place.

It's completely mental.

[Kazanne]

I was just wondering how many vegetarians we have on the forum? As someone who has only recently become a non meat eater, I would be interested to hear what led people to make this lifestyle choice? For me it was my son that gave me the initiative, he had done a project on the subject in school which involved a lot of research. I discovered things that I found distasteful and my son got a little upset about it and announced he wanted to go vegetarian. Being an animal lover myself I decided we would both go for it. I missed meat at first, but its a lot easier now. Don't get me wrong, I still get tempted but have so far managed to resist, and it helps that I love veggies and salad. Anyone want to share their experiences?

I'm a veggie too,although I do eat eggs,my reason was I love animals and saw a documentry on slaughter houses and the transport of animals,it turned my stomach,don't miss meat at all as I love quorn and that can be used instead,I also love salads and veggies,but that 'smell' of bacon cooking is always tempting:xyxwave:

[Redway]

No idea tbh. I simply don't get the thought process behind it... don't kill animals for food,.... but when it comes to me feeding my animals, who need meat, ... ach well I'll still purchase the scraps and crap from the animal that was intially killed for human consumption in the first place.

It's completely mental.

This.

[Ammi]

I'm a veggie too,although I do eat eggs,my reason was I love animals and saw a documentry on slaughter houses and the transport of animals,it turned my stomach,don't miss meat at all as I love quorn and that can be used instead,I also love salads and veggies,but that 'smell' of bacon cooking is always tempting:xyxwave:

I don't eat meat either Kazanne, but am not a vegetarian. I think of myself as having a meat phobia as I don't like the texture of it, I don't like bananas or mushrooms either for the same reason. There's no moral reasons behind it whatsoever and I cook meat for my family all the time.

[Kazanne]

No idea tbh. I simply don't get the thought process behind it... don't kill animals for food,.... but when it comes to me feeding my animals, who need meat, ... ach well I'll still purchase the scraps and crap from the animal that was intially killed for human consumption in the first place.

It's completely mental.

LOL,isn't Paul McCartneys dog fed a none meat diet,sure I read that somewhere,I have lots of family and friends who are none veggie,I have no problem with that,each to there own I say.

[Kazanne]

I don't eat meat either Kazanne, but am not a vegetarian. I think of myself as having a meat phobia as I don't like the texture of it, I don't like bananas or mushrooms either for the same reason. There's no moral reasons behind it whatsoever and I cook meat for my family all the time.

I cook it too Ammi,I would never deprive my kids of it,just because i dont eat it,they can make their own minds up when they are old enough.

[Ammi]

I cook it too Ammi,I would never deprive my kids of it,just because i dont eat it,they can make their own minds up when they are old enough.

Good girl, you don't want them sneaking off to MacDonalds when you're not looking.........

[Pyramid*]

Now I'd say that Ammi and Kazanne have a healthy (in ever sense of the word) attitude to being vegetarian.

[Kazanne]

Good girl, you don't want them sneaking off to MacDonalds when you're not looking.........

lol,they love MacDonalds already,I think it's the toys that sway them:joker:

[Kazanne]

Now I'd say that Ammi and Kazanne have a healthy (in ever sense of the word) attitude to being vegetarian.

Why thankyou Pyramid,hows your bacon butty:joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

I was a vegetarian from 13-18 but I broke after a night out and had a chicken burger, I love meat too much