Scarface vs Scream

[Locke.]

Both tied on points in the TiBB Greatest Film game. The one with the most votes on this poll goes through to the next round.

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[Roy Mars III]

Scarface

[InOne]

Scarface owns it all over.

But with this forum you really can't call it :bored:

[Niamh.]

Scarface, it would be a true travesty if it went out to Scream :bored:

[fruit_cake]

Scream

[Iceman]

Scarface is the ****, it has to win this

[Scarlett.]

Scarface...anyone who disagrees...

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[Ramsay]

Scarface x100000000

[Chuck]

Scarface >

[Josy]

Scarface

[Glenn.]

-Has never seen Scarface, so voted for Scream-

[Tom4784]

Technically Scarface is the better film but I've never been much of a fan of it. I think it's quite overrated and I hate gangster films anyway.

['Conor]

never seen Scarface so yeah Scream :love:

[IheartBB]

One of the best examples of Overrated vs Underrated I've ever seen.

[Glenn.]

One of the best examples of Overrated vs Underrated I've ever seen.

With Scream being underrated?

[swinearefine]

Scream - greatest movie of all time.

[IheartBB]

With Scream being underrated?

Yup!

[Glenn.]

Even if I had seen Scarface, I would probably still vote Scream. There's just something monumental about that opening sequence. Nothing comes close.

[Roy Mars III]

Yup!

Huh? Scream is one of the most overrrated movies of all time.

[Locke.]

Right votes are closed.

[Iceman]

Right votes are closed.

thank **** for that

[IheartBB]

Huh? Scream is one of the most overrrated movies of all time.

Critically it's pretty much on the money. I know it has an 80-something rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

But with the general movie going public, it’s underrated. This is not to say that the majority of people didn’t enjoy the film (which, I’m guessing, is your reasoning for why you think it is overrated), it’s just that most people would consider it just another “scary” or “dumb” horror flick without giving the film’s underlying themes a second thought.

Anyway, it hardly matters now because the poll is closed and Scream has lost :joker:

[Glenn.]

Pretty much everyone I know, deems Scream a joke. Mostly they seem to think I'm talking about Scary Movie :bored:

Scream is definitely underrated. The writing is superb, and the story has emotional depth, modern day horrors lack. And back when it was released, was genuinely scary.

Horror's nowadays, consist of zero character development and over the top blood and guts, or their recycled ghost stories.

[Shaun]

scream is cack.

[Glenn.]

:nono:

[Benjamin]

I liked Scream, at the time it was a good horror movie and for me, still is.

[Niamh.]

scream is cack.

This.

It's not any where near the same league as Scarface

['Conor]

Scream revived the horror genre, so therefore its underrated.

[Niamh.]

Scream revived the horror genre, so therefore its underrated.

Scream was an unscary horror though

[Shaun]

I honestly thought it was a pisstake. I don't know if it's because Courtney and David can't act for ****, but I just wasn't scared or 'in the moment' at all, just laughing.

['Conor]

Its not supposed to be down right scary, its more tongue n cheek

[Niamh.]

Its not supposed to be down right scary, its more tongue n cheek

Well it didn't revive the horror genre then if it's not even supposed to be scary :idc:

[IheartBB]

The whole point of Scream was to be a self referential, post modern take on the conventional slasher genre without going as far as out right parody (ala Scary Movie), which it greatly succeeded in. It’s just a shame this goes straight over audience’s heads, even after numerous viewings in some cases.

Scream is a landmark film in the history of the horror genre and single-handedly revived the slasher sub-genre.

[Niamh.]

The whole point of Scream was to be a self referential, post modern take on the conventional slasher genre without going as far as out right parody (ala Scary Movie), which it greatly succeeded in. It’s just a shame this goes straight over audience’s heads, even after numerous viewings in some cases.

Scream is a landmark film in the history of the horror genre and single-handedly revived the slasher sub-genre.

Or maybe people just didn't like it? It was a cross between a real horror and a piss take, I didn't not get that I just thought it was stupid, neither scary or funny.

[IheartBB]

Or maybe people just didn't like it? It was a cross between a real horror and a piss take, I didn't not get that I just thought it was stupid, neither scary or funny.

Is this an answer to a question I didn't ask?

Whether people like the film or not is a different question. But the themes are undeniable and are never referenced (including in this thread) in people's reasoning for disliking the film - including yours. Your initial reason was that it was 'unscary'. The fact that you still call it a cross between "a real horror and a piss take" this far into the thread (after reading all the other posts) shows to me that you didn't pick up on the themes, still don't fully understand them and are now just backtracking - trying to seem like you knew what you were talking about from the get go, when you clearly didn't

Nothing personal. I've come across this many times before.

[InOne]

The whole point of Scream was to be a self referential, post modern take on the conventional slasher genre without going as far as out right parody (ala Scary Movie), which it greatly succeeded in. It’s just a shame this goes straight over audience’s heads, even after numerous viewings in some cases.

Scream is a landmark film in the history of the horror genre and single-handedly revived the slasher sub-genre.

I love the film. But it's nowhere near as good as Scarface. I know they're different genres and that, but still Scarface outclasses it in every aspect.

[Niamh.]

Is this an answer to a question I didn't ask?

Whether people like the film or not is a different question. But the themes are undeniable and are never referenced (including in this thread) in people's reasoning for disliking the film - including yours. Your initial reason was that it was 'unscary'. The fact that you still call it a cross between "a real horror and a piss take" this far into the thread (after reading all the other posts) shows to me that you didn't pick up on the themes, still don't fully understand them and are now just backtracking - trying to seem like you knew what you were talking about from the get go, when you clearly didn't

Nothing personal. I've come across this many times before.

That's a bit rude. I take issue with you telling me what I do and don't understand. It is possible for people to understand it and not like it you know.

[Roy Mars III]

Scarface has been way more influential than Scream.

[IheartBB]

I love the film. But it's nowhere near as good as Scarface. I know they're different genres and that, but still Scarface outclasses it in every aspect.

Not once have I said that Scream is better than Scarface! I've not even been focusing on Scarface. I think it's overrated because it is held in such high regard and people seem to make their mind up before even seeing it and know that it's a 'cool' choice as a favourite film, but it certainly is not a bad film by any means.

That's a bit rude. I take issue with you telling me what I do and don't understand. It is possible for people to understand it and not like it you know.

Like I said, it's nothing personal, just the way I felt about the situation based on past experiences and the fact that you didn't fully explain yourself until after you read other people's posts.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I won't be losing any sleep over it as I'm sure you won't.

Scarface has been way more influential than Scream.

A claim based on what? :joker: Within its genre, Scream has had more influence over the next few landmark films in the horror genre than Scarface in the gangster genre. Scream’s post modernist tone was present and had evolved somewhat through The Blair Witch Project and Saw (the next two landmarks). The next two gangster landmarks were Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction. Goodfellas was heavily inspired by The Godfather and Pulp Fiction re-wrote the rulebook with a post-modernist approach of its own.

Feel free to back up your claims through.

[Scarlett.]

A claim based on what? :joker: Within its genre, Scream has had more influence over the next few landmark films in the horror genre than Scarface in the gangster genre. Scream’s post modernist tone was present and had evolved somewhat through The Blair Witch Project and Saw (the next two landmarks). The next two gangster landmarks were Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction. Goodfellas was heavily inspired by The Godfather and Pulp Fiction re-wrote the rulebook with a post-modernist approach of its own.

Feel free to back up your claims through.

Scarface is a story about an immigrant who comes to America and rises through the ranks of a dirty city to reach the top, when he reaches the top, the people he pissed on and stood on come back to get revenge, sound familiar? Scarface is the reason why Grand Theft Auto exists, once of the best known and best selling games, also one of the most popular entertainment franchises to come out of the UK (Scotland).

Scream gave us Scary Movie and and bunch of other crap spoofs.

Yeah, Scream was definately the most influential, quote Scary Movie and see how many people know what you're talking about, quote Scarface and everyone knows what you are talking about.

If you want a defining and influential slasher, at least go for Psycho, Halloween or Friday the 13th.

[IheartBB]

Scarface is a story about an immigrant who comes to America and rises through the ranks of a dirty city to reach the top, when he reaches the top, the people he pissed on and stood on come back to get revenge, sound familiar? Scarface is the reason why Grand Theft Auto exists, once of the best known and best selling games, also one of the most popular entertainment franchises to come out of the UK (Scotland).

Scream gave us Scary Movie and and bunch of other crap spoofs.

Yeah, Scream was definately the most influential, quote Scary Movie and see how many people know what you're talking about, quote Scarface and everyone knows what you are talking about.

If you want a defining and influential slasher, at least go for Psycho, Halloween or Friday the 13th.

Influence does not always equal imitation. And video games never even crossed my mind because A) I don’t play them and B) we were talking about cinema.

And why even bring up Psycho and Halloween? To prove your film knowledge? What relevance do they have to this particular argument?

[Scarlett.]

Influence does not always equal imitation. And video games never even crossed my mind because A) I don’t play them and B) we were talking about cinema.

And why even bring up Psycho and Halloween? To prove your film knowledge? What relevance do they have to this particular argument?

A) Games are a similar form of media

B) Because they actually were influential films, and films that followed, followed their style - if Scream influenced this generation of slasher films....then...lol, that's nothing to be proud of.

[IheartBB]

A) Games are a similar form of media

B) Because they actually were influential films, and films that followed, followed their style - if Scream influenced this generation of slasher films....then...lol, that's nothing to be proud of.

A) I see your point but we were still talking about cinema. I do not play video games so cannot possibly comment further.

B) Of course I’m not denying they were hugely influential in terms of style and narrative conventions. But by the time Scream was released, the slasher film had well and truly run its course. Scream followed the typical slasher guideline that was laid out by Halloween but gave the genre new life by adding the post-modern, self referential element. This is still present in most modern day horror films. That’s how it has been influential. And you’re acting like every post-Halloween slasher film made was a masterpiece, which was certainly not the case.