The Battle at St.Pauls, London - Court Rules Them Out

[arista]

Now the Dean quits: St Paul's clergyman is second to go in a week over protest row
Rt Rev Graeme Knowles steps down as a result of handling of protest outside cathedral
Canon chancellor Giles Fraser quit on Thursday over the legal action being taken against protesters, which he feared could result in violence


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'Untenable': Rt Rev Knowles is the second of the
cathedral's senior clergy to resign in less than a week

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055325/Now-Dean-quits-St-Pauls-clergyman-Rt-Rev-Graham-Knowles-second-week-protest-row.html#ixzz1cNT1wvP5






He should have not closed St.Pauls
The Council in that Area of London is taking this Mob to Court.


But The St.Pauls Workers do not understand this.

Those in tents there
will not Change this System we are all in.
Marxism is not to be brought in - It can not work.


Worse is many of the Tents over night are Empty
as the Mob goes home to watch SkyHD TV
or VirginHD TV or FreeviewHD TV or FreesatHD TV.


Life In The City

[InOne]

Get down there with the hose arista

[michael21]

spiffing

[arista]

Get down there with the hose arista


The Mob are a Scam
so many going home over night.

Thats when I would send in The Police



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Tuesdays Times.

[arista]

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Before he quit
the Mob hissed at him
showing no Respect.


Now the City Of London
starts the Legal Notice
to get the Mob Removed by Police.


Showdown on the steps of St Paul's:
City of London to serve notice on protesters
(but Church refuses to be part of legal action to remove them)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055325/Occupy-London-City-London-serve-notice-St-Pauls-protesters-Church-refuses-legal-action-remove-them.html#ixzz1cSo44pjf

[Crimson Dynamo]

The guy should get no respect as he makes a living lying to people. St pauls should be bulldozed.

[arista]

The guy should get no respect as he makes a living lying to people. St pauls should be bulldozed.


No it is part of London's History

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it is part of London's History

Part of a history of lies and corruption. The whole place should be dismantled. The COE and a disgrace and a laughing stock

[arista]

Whats Ironic about
St.Pauls is they get Funding from Stock Brookers.

The Church is out of its depth.

Life In The City.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whats Ironic about
St.Pauls is they get Funding from Stock Brookers.

The Church is out of its depth.

Life In The City.

correct.

Life in the country

[Tom]

The guy should get no respect as he makes a living lying to people. St pauls should be bulldozed.

They shouldn't bulldoze it but they could turn it into some luxury apartments or it could make a lovely restaurant

[arista]

At St.Pauls today
just on BBC London Local News
showed how stupid those in the tents are.


Some old blokes going to pay respects
on this poppy day were met by a Smelly Female Protester.
The old bloke said "your against Capitalism
but thats the way we are in this nation."
She just went on and on saying its the Media and Newspapers.

Pathetic Protesters still do not know when to shut there gobs.

[Ninastar]

when i was in london, I saw people in tents

well I didn't see the people, just the tents

[arista]

when i was in london, I saw people in tents

well I didn't see the people, just the tents


Good Job you did not get Close.

The Smelly Punks - Some of them.

[arista]

Reported on BBC London Local News

Junkies in the tents with the BBC Reporter next to them
even though the Punks running it keep saying No Drugs there.

Inside St.Pauls Area used for having a poo.



Soon they fight it out in Court.

[MTVN]

Was out in Cardiff on Saturday night and ended up in a half hour discussion with the Occupy Cardiff lot at 5 in the morning, they were getting pissed off at my friend because he's quite right-wing and was telling them that he wanted to be a Banker when he's older because it's such a respectable career :laugh: They were a pretty motley bunch really though, and that was only their first night

[arista]

Was out in Cardiff on Saturday night and ended up in a half hour discussion with the Occupy Cardiff lot at 5 in the morning, they were getting pissed off at my friend because he's quite right-wing and was telling them that he wanted to be a Banker when he's older because it's such a respectable career :laugh: They were a pretty motley bunch really though, and that was only their first night


Sounds like a Cool Dude

[Kazanne]

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Before he quit
the Mob hissed at him
showing no Respect.


Now the City Of London
starts the Legal Notice
to get the Mob Removed by Police.


Showdown on the steps of St Paul's:
City of London to serve notice on protesters
(but Church refuses to be part of legal action to remove them)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055325/Occupy-London-City-London-serve-notice-St-Pauls-protesters-Church-refuses-legal-action-remove-them.html#ixzz1cSo44pjf

Sounds like the BB eviction night mob:joker:

[arista]

A Anti-Capatalist just live on SkyNewsHD
talking to Kay.

She asked him about the Drugs on site
he said they work with the Police to sort that out.


But all the time there
it is people from all over the place.

They won time until a few weeks
when it goes back to court.

I want to meet him
he can not be Anti Capatalist
this is the Way of the World you Nutter

[arista]

The High Court has Ruled against these Punks

They will be Removed

Live On The News


Bliss

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2012/jan/18/occupy-london-london

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16592534

Stuart Fraser, the City of London Corporation's policy chairman, said: "We took this action to clear the tents and equipment at St Paul's.

"We hope the protesters will now remove the tents voluntarily. If not, and subject to any appeal proceedings, we will be considering enforcement action as soon as possible.

''Lawful protests are a regular part of City life but tents, equipment and increasingly, quite a lot of mess and nuisance, is not what a highway is for and the public generally is losing out - as evidence before the court made clear.''

The squatters have been permitted more than ample rights - now it's time for the citizens to reclaim theirs ..... :hmph:

[arista]

Poxy Lawyer wants yet Another Appeal

I want these Invaders Removed Fast

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[michael21]

Poxy Lawyer wants yet Another Appeal

I want these Invaders Removed Fast

why what harm are they doing to you

[arista]

"why what harm are they doing to you"






They Block the Way Through



Maybe they should move into your Home
since you like these Punks so much

[arista]

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No Go Home and turn on your Sky TV

[arista]

The Court has Confirmed these Punks have No Appeal.

They can now be Removed.


Best time is at Night
most tents are empty
as they are at home
watching VirginHD, SkyHD, FreesatHD or FreeviewHD.


Now UNoccupy St Paul's:
Protesters lose final battle to halt eviction and will be kicked out

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104716/St-Pauls-protesters-lose-final-battle-halt-eviction-kicked-out.html#ixzz1n7SlsTMF

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No Time for Meditation
Get your Stinking Dirty Tent Off the Public way.




Life in The City

[arista]

On BBC London TV News

The Punks there, are Deluded
trying to use some document from King Charles the 1st.

Of course years ago it was not the same.

I wish overnight
the Police get all the Empty Smelly tents into a Skip.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17187180

Police have moved in to remove protesters from the Occupy London site at St Paul's Cathedral.

Occupy London was last week refused permission to appeal against a High Court decision to allow eviction.

Occupy London, which campaigns against corporate greed, set up the camp on 15 October.

About time ..... :idc:

[Kizzy]

Is it a law from the period of Charles the first?...if it has not been repealed then it is still law...thats how it works.
And we just dont care anymore thats the message here.

[arista]

Yes the Smelly Punks were removed.

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[arista]

Is it a law from the period of Charles the first?...if it has not been repealed then it is still law...thats how it works.
And we just dont care anymore thats the message here.


Talk Sense.


Of Course the Law was changed.

[Livia]

That's brilliant news. Now my sister in law (amongst many others) who like me, worked really hard for her degree, had a job while she was studying and never had a handout from anyone, can walk from the Tube to her job without being insulted and jeered at by these people. None of them seem to have a job themselves and despite their ideals seem okay with leeching off the beleaguered tax payer.

[arista]

That's brilliant news. Now my sister in law (amongst many others) who like me, worked really hard for her degree, had a job while she was studying and never had a handout from anyone, can walk from the Tube to her job without being insulted and jeered at by these people. None of them seem to have a job themselves and despite their ideals seem okay with leeching off the beleaguered tax payer.


Yes the Punks are Gone

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They are Scum picking on workers going past them

[arista]

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Out you go Punk.

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Today Cleaning

[Jesus.]

Yeah - what a victory for income disparity. I feel so much better today. Brilliant news. I'm so grateful that the government has the ability to close down protesting from it's citizens.

The people of this country should just shut their mouths and accept what the government tell them. We have no right to tell these brilliant politicians how we feel. They know what's best for us. Just like men used to know what was best for women, or white people knew what was best for black people.

Never challenge the status quo.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/28/article-2107467-11F3F5B0000005DC-466_634x502.jpg
Get off the Tree you Vermin.

He is now arrested.

[Jesus.]

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Get off the Tree you Vermin.

He is now arrested.

Yeah, shoot the ****er if he won't get down. Arrest everyone that disagrees with the government.

Arrested for climbing a tree, and you say we are nothing like China.

[arista]

Yeah, shoot the ****er if he won't get down. Arrest everyone that disagrees with the government.

Arrested for climbing a tree, and you say we are nothing like China.


No Nothing like China
this was a Court order to clear the land there.


Those that left the area are now in another place
of London, now.

[Kizzy]

I am talking sense, theres no need to be rude, to be fair it takes me a while to decipher what you are trying to say in your posts, you talk in riddles.
What document are you refering to...The Bill of Rights?

[MTVN]

I am talking sense, theres no need to be rude, to be fair it takes me a while to decipher what you are trying to say in your posts, you talk in riddles.
What document are you refering to...The Bill of Rights?

Could you use the quote feature a bit more please, it's a bit confusing when you're replying to a comment several posts up the page

[Jesus.]

No Nothing like China
this was a Court order to clear the land there.


Those that left the area are now in another place
of London, now.

The Chinese can get permits to remove people too. They don't murder those people, they allow them to move to different places.

All bow down to the great government that watches over us and protects us.

[Kizzy]

Could you use the quote feature a bit more please, it's a bit confusing when you're replying to a comment several posts up the page


fine

[Livia]

Yeah - what a victory for income disparity. I feel so much better today. Brilliant news. I'm so grateful that the government has the ability to close down protesting from it's citizens.

The people of this country should just shut their mouths and accept what the government tell them. We have no right to tell these brilliant politicians how we feel. They know what's best for us. Just like men used to know what was best for women, or white people knew what was best for black people.

Never challenge the status quo.

The best way to chellenge the status quo is for people to get off their arses and vote. However, around half of those entitled to vote in this country can't be bothered, despite the fact they can postal and proxy if they want. So who's fault is it that this country doesn't get the government it may need, but instead gets the government chosen by the people who can be bothered to vote.

How many people don't know the name of their MP? Their district councillor? Their town or county councillor? How many people say "I'm not interested in politics" and then moan because their tax is too high or the banks are ripping us off?

Most people who work in the City of London are ordinary people paying mortgages and yet had to suffer abuse from these "freedom fighters" outside St Paul's every morning. Good that they've gone. Hopefully one or two of them may now be looking for work.

[InOne]

Now they can all go back to their middle class homes in the countryside...

[Kizzy]

polititians, tell half truths and untruths untill they get in power, do you think any of the student protesters will be voting sollowing cleggs uturn? no, thats what leads to protests polititians lying through their back teeth and getting away with it.

[arista]

Now they can all go back to their middle class homes in the countryside...


Very True

[arista]

polititians, tell half truths and untruths untill they get in power, do you think any of the student protesters will be voting sollowing cleggs uturn? no, thats what leads to protests polititians lying through their back teeth and getting away with it.


So What
Its been like that since before you were born.


These Punks Polluted that Public Walk Way
I had to walk another way as the Stink was to much.

They can still Protest so long as its not Near Public Walk Ways.


Anti Capitalist Scum - There is No Other Way in this World
Deal With It

[Jesus.]

The best way to chellenge the status quo is for people to get off their arses and vote. However, around half of those entitled to vote in this country can't be bothered, despite the fact they can postal and proxy if they want. So who's fault is it that this country doesn't get the government it may need, but instead gets the government chosen by the people who can be bothered to vote.

How many people don't know the name of their MP? Their district councillor? Their town or county councillor? How many people say "I'm not interested in politics" and then moan because their tax is too high or the banks are ripping us off?

Most people who work in the City of London are ordinary people paying mortgages and yet had to suffer abuse from these "freedom fighters" outside St Paul's every morning. Good that they've gone. Hopefully one or two of them may now be looking for work.

Let's go with your theory for the moment, and everyone in the country decides to vote in the next election. Which party is concerned with the needs of citizens versus corporations.

Labour and the Tories are two cheeks of the same arse, these days. Besides, not everyone can be interested in politics, but everyone has the right not to be ****ed over by the government and denigrated through a campaign of ignorance and indifference.

To restrict peoples right the protest is to maintain things as they are. History has proved, that in times of recession and financial hardship, the country (and most others, too) swings massively to the right. Well now, the scene is set for a true liberal and progressive movement. Liberals are on the right side of many of the issues today, and our views are unknowingly shared by a majority of people.

The occupy movement was a spontaneous uprising worldwide, and as such, it has serious flaws. However, in terms of awakening a section of the population, and identifying honourable causes, and real problems with income disparity, then it is performing a role, that could potentially lead on to something bigger.

The Nazi party developed out of beer hall in Munich mixed with extreme poverty, so it is not the case that small groups of people can't ignite a movement if the conditions are right. I'm not saying we should emulate the Nazi's before people misunderstand my point, I'm merely pointing out that it only takes a spark and the right conditions, for a real positive fire for change to be possible.

They shouldn't be abusing passers by on a daily basis in my opinion, but it doesn't make their cause any less true or worthy.

[Omah]

Most people who work in the City of London are ordinary people paying mortgages and yet had to suffer abuse from these "freedom fighters" outside St Paul's every morning. Good that they've gone. Hopefully one or two of them may now be looking for work.

Yeah, there's protest and there's taking the pi** ..... most of those making a midden outside of St Paul's appear to fall into the latter category .....

[Jesus.]

So What
Its been like that since before you were born.


These Punks Polluted that Public Walk Way
I had to walk another way as the Stink was to much.

They can still Protest so long as its not Near Public Walk Ways.


Anti Capitalist Scum - There is No Other Way in this World
Deal With It

Corporations are raking in record profits on a quarterly basis. No one is saying they should be breaking even so that people can sit in council housing eating Dorito's all day. People are saying they should be paying fair tax into the treasury.

In the US last year, corporations paid a record low 11% tax, and they're only the ones who don't have bases in the Caymans tax haven.

How much is too much?

Corporations rely on people having money in their pockets to buy their products. The average earnings of the top 10% are growing exponentially, whereas the income of the middle/working class has remained relatively stagnant.

Fairness doesn't mean communism or anti-capitalist. It means fair.

I say this as someone who earns twice what our national salary is. I'm not a work shy, moaner. I'm someone advocating for fairness and everyone chipping in.

[Jesus.]

Yeah, there's protest and there's taking the pi** ..... most of those making a midden outside of St Paul's appear to fall into the latter category .....

Have you been down to meet them, to enable you to make such a statement?

[arista]

Fairness doesn't mean communism or anti-capitalist. It means fair.

I say this as someone who earns twice what our national salary is. I'm not a work shy, moaner. I'm someone advocating for fairness and everyone chipping in.


Fairness is on its way.
Barclays Today paid more Tax (they stopped the loophole)

13 years of Corrupt New Labour
and a Illegal Invasion War - We Ain't had Fairness
Bush and Blair - like lovers


Feel The Force

[Jesus.]

Fairness is on its way.
Barclays Today paid more Tax (they stopped the loophole)

13 years of Corrupt New Labour
and a Illegal Invasion War - We Ain't had Fairness
Bush and Blair - like lovers


Feel The Force

The Tories would have gone to war with Bush, too.

All parties become complacent with years of power. The scandals hitting the last Tory government towards the end of their last term were almost a daily occurrence.

That's just a fact, that is inarguable.

Bush and Blair are supposedly different sides of the political spectrum, and that's the problem. The whole political conversation has become a centre right discussion.

Arista, you really should take the time to read a different perspective to your own. The government should work for it's citizens, not the other way round.

[Ninastar]

I laughed at them being thrown out. Idiots

[arista]

The Tories would have gone to war with Bush, too.
All parties become complacent with years of power. The scandals hitting the last Tory government towards the end of their last term were almost a daily occurrence.
That's just a fact, that is inarguable.
Bush and Blair are supposedly different sides of the political spectrum, and that's the problem. The whole political conversation has become a centre right discussion.
Arista, you really should take the time to read a different perspective to your own. The government should work for it's citizens, not the other way round.


Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

[Jesus.]

Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

We are America's lap dog and when they say "jump", we ask politely "how high". The elected leaders make little difference. Thatcher would have followed Reagan till the ends of the earth, whilst she was busy taking milk from the mouths of our countries children.

Why are you so anti-labour? The Tories were equally corrupt. Livia will back me up on that.

The Tories are ****, and so are labour.

[arista]

"and so are labour. "

Who do you want running the UK?

[Omah]

Have you been down to meet them, to enable you to make such a statement?

Yes ..... have you, to enable you to make such a query ?

[Omah]

I say this as someone who earns twice what our national salary is. I'm not a work shy, moaner. I'm someone advocating for fairness and everyone chipping in.

So what are you doing about it ?

[Livia]

We are America's lap dog and when they say "jump", we ask politely "how high". The elected leaders make little difference. Thatcher would have followed Reagan till the ends of the earth, whilst she was busy taking milk from the mouths of our countries children.

Why are you so anti-labour? The Tories were equally corrupt. Livia will back me up on that.

The Tories are ****, and so are labour.

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

[arista]

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Whats Important is I can Now walk through
No Punks ,No Stinks.


Life In The Fast Lane

[GypsyGoth]

I laughed at them being thrown out. Idiots

:laugh2:

[GypsyGoth]

No Punks ,No Stinks.


:laugh3:

[Kizzy]

So What
Its been like that since before you were born.


These Punks Polluted that Public Walk Way
I had to walk another way as the Stink was to much.

They can still Protest so long as its not Near Public Walk Ways.


Anti Capitalist Scum - There is No Other Way in this World
Deal With It

The truth hurts and it stinks!

[joeysteele]

Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

I do think from history arista, it would have been totally unlikely that a Conservative govt would not have gone to war with the USA in Iraq too. I personally couldn't see a Conservative PM refusing to go along with a Republican President of the USA, they did in 1990/91 as to Iraq too.

Like Bush jnr, a Conservative govt would have also seized on the opportunity to complete the job started in 1990/91.

[arista]

I do think from history arista, it would have been totally unlikely that a Conservative govt would not have gone to war with the USA in Iraq too. I personally couldn't see a Conservative PM refusing to go along with a Republican President of the USA, they did in 1990/91 as to Iraq too.

Like Bush jnr, a Conservative govt would have also seized on the opportunity to complete the job started in 1990/91.

But New Labour
False Claim they could Bomb the UK .


So No

Corrupt Blair and Bush

No you can not guess
and say others would be Corrupt as well


Its fecking New Labour

[joeysteele]

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

As ever I agree with most you say Livia, although I certainly would not have been a supporter of Margaret Thatcher, I do from all I have read and seen on TV think she did right with the Unions between 1979 and 1990, she was certainly a strong leader and took no nonsense, she stood up better to Europe on lots of issues and as to her relationship with Reagan, I think by and large she more often than not pulled the strings there anyway.Him needing her far more than vice versa.

[joeysteele]

But New Labour
False Claim they could Bomb Us.


So No

Corrupt Blair and Bush

No you can not guess.

I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq,I was though only 11 at the time so my opinion didn't matter.
I still think had Hague won the 2001 election that he would have supported Bush in that ideal especially to get rid of Saddam Hussain,some other seemingly uncompromising reason would have likely been thought up between them to justify it.

[Jesus.]

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

Perspective is biased by our own views, so I understand what you mean. However, you will surely back me up on the point that corruption in the last Tory government, ensured scandal after scandal towards the last days of their reign.

My wider point was contradicting Arista's assertion that corruption was the sole possession of the labour party. Whereas it isn't, it becomes rife in all political parties, the longer they maintain power.

[arista]

I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq,I was though only 11 at the time so my opinion didn't matter.
I still think had Hague won the 2001 election that he would have supported Bush in that ideal especially to get rid of Saddam Hussain,some other seemingly uncompromising reason would have likely been thought up between them to justify it.


We found out after
Corrupt New Labour False Claim

Just because you were 11 , as nothing to do with this

[Kizzy]

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

[joeysteele]

We found out after
Corrupt New Labour False Claim

Just because you were 11 , as nothing to do with this

I am not disagreeing with you arista,(would I ever),I believe the invasion of Iraq was wrong but I still doubt no mater what Govt was in power at the time, Labour or Conservative that the end result, by means fair or foul, would have been we supported the USA and Bush in that invasion.

It seems the only thing we can be sure of as to power in politics as to all the parties,(I include the Lib Dems in this too now), is that in fact likely it is having power that corrupts the integrity of all Govts, no matter what their political persuasion is.

As for these protesters, it seems they have only moved a short distance away now anyway so do we have to go throughall the hoo ha again and waste even more money on involving courts again.Let's hope not and that they can be persuaded to give up on this.

[Jesus.]

So what are you doing about it ?

I contribute though my taxes. I also make donations to worldwide political organisations that are pushing for more progressive solutions to world events. Last year, for example, I flew over to Wisconsin to take part in fightback against an ultra conservative governor who stripped bargaining rights away from workers, after giving huge tax breaks to corporations.

I've visited many parts of the world to offer a pair of hands to work and help in the construction of village infrastructure.

I also chip in to a Pizza fund for the occupy movement.

My conscience is clear. I don't stand atop a mountain, looking down at poor people and sneer at them for not getting off their lazy arses. I involve myself in the things I'm passionate about.

[joeysteele]

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

We knew he certainly had likely the means and materials and his messing the UN inspectors about fuelled more suspicion definately although I do believe Mr Blair was very inventive with his presentation as to why we should support this invasion. Yes though, you are totally right,a lot was put Iraq's and Saddam Hussain's way from the UK govt especially at the time he was in conflict with Iran with the UK supporting him.

[Livia]

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

The UK arms industry is massive. We sell weapons to all sorts of people, no matter who is in power. Do you think that we don't sell weapons to tin-pot dictators when Labour's in the chair?

[Livia]

Perspective is biased by our own views, so I understand what you mean. However, you will surely back me up on the point that corruption in the last Tory government, ensured scandal after scandal towards the last days of their reign.

My wider point was contradicting Arista's assertion that corruption was the sole possession of the labour party. Whereas it isn't, it becomes rife in all political parties, the longer they maintain power.

Can't disagree on that one. Power corrupts, and all that.

[Omah]

I contribute though my taxes. I also make donations to worldwide political organisations that are pushing for more progressive solutions to world events. Last year, for example, I flew over to Wisconsin to take part in fightback against an ultra conservative governor who stripped bargaining rights away from workers, after giving huge tax breaks to corporations.

I've visited many parts of the world to offer a pair of hands to work and help in the construction of village infrastructure.

I also chip in to a Pizza fund for the occupy movement.

My conscience is clear. I don't stand atop a mountain, looking down at poor people and sneer at them for not getting off their lazy arses. I involve myself in the things I'm passionate about.

Sounds a bit "liberal" to me ..... :suspect:

[Kizzy]

It smells a bit laissez-faire in here...