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InOne
09-11-2011, 05:59 PM
Is it me or does it seem everyone is going crazy about Poppies being banned and them getting sent home from work and all those sorts of stuff this year? Heards loads about different things from different sources
Vicky.
09-11-2011, 06:03 PM
I didnt even know poppys were banned. How pathetic.
I have had a bad day with poppys tbh. I have one of my mates going mental with me in private messages on facebook all because of my latest poppy related status D:
Only thing I've heard is about England not being allowed them on their shirts for the Spain match, and that's just cos of some FIFA regulation I think
Only thing I've heard is about England not being allowed them on their shirts for the Spain match, and that's just cos of some FIFA regulation I think
Just after I posted that saw a new article on BBC news saying they are allowed to wear it now :laugh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15666769.stm
I didnt even know poppys were banned. How pathetic.
I have had a bad day with poppys tbh. I have one of my mates going mental with me in private messages on facebook all because of my latest poppy related status D:
What was your status?
Are our ethnic friends actually complaining about poppies or are the powers that be just being offended on their behalf, again?
I alway see people moaning how foreigners are moaning over the poppies and how they should go back home if they don't like it, yet I've never read or heard anything directly from an immigrant condeming the use of them.
Livia
09-11-2011, 08:32 PM
Sadly, the ironic thing is that people died to allow dedicated non-thinkers in this country the freedom to spout every half-baked thought that enters their head. I wear my poppy with pride. Nothing would stop me wearing my poppy.
Jack_
09-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Yeah, I've noticed it the last few years - it's either the banning of poppies or the obligatory requirement to wear one in certain situations. Both are stupid, it's an individuals choice as to whether he/she wears a poppy or not, no one else should have any say in it.
Vicky.
10-11-2011, 12:49 PM
What was your status?
Are our ethnic friends actually complaining about poppies or are the powers that be just being offended on their behalf, again?
I alway see people moaning how foreigners are moaning over the poppies and how they should go back home if they don't like it, yet I've never read or heard anything directly from an immigrant condeming the use of them.
In May 2010, Tohseef Shah spray painted a British War Memorial with "Islam will dominate, Osama is coming" he was fined £50 and walked free from court. In November 2010, Emdadur Choudhury burned a Poppy during the 2 minute silence. He too, was given a £50 fine and walked free from court. Today, 2 men have been sentenced to 12 months in prison for spray painting a Poppy on a mosque. Welcome to the Great British justice system. Disgusting..
Edit. it did have more on but I cut off the bits I didnt agree with, and still got grief for posting this, so I ended up deleting it altogether. Just not worth it :laugh:
Benjamin
10-11-2011, 01:10 PM
Sadly, the ironic thing is that people died to allow dedicated non-thinkers in this country the freedom to spout every half-baked thought that enters their head. I wear my poppy with pride. Nothing would stop me wearing my poppy.
Absolutely agree. It is nobody else's choice if I wear a poppy, and in the very slim chance that it offends somebody, then I'm afraid it is tough. This is my country and I shall show my pride for it. I wouldn't expect to go to anybody else's country and then have the audacity to get offended by their traditions.
But I do still think it is a minority that get 'offended' by British traditions, the majority don't care, unfortunately the media hype it into a massive deal and too many people lap it up and take it as their gospel.
InOne
10-11-2011, 01:28 PM
Stuff like this annoys me on facebook
HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME POUNDLAND, SENDING STAFF HOME FOR WEARING A POPPY!!! IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE AND THE MEN AND WOMEN LOST, YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING IN YOUR POXY SHOP, YOU'RE PURE DIRT, AND BODYSHOP HAVE BANNED STAFF FROM WEARING POPPY'S,........SET THIS AS YOUR STATUS IF YOU SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.....POPPYS ARE NOT SECTARIAN FLOWERS .....WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE!!!
Random nonsense that probably didn't even happen but people feel the need to post, and they probably don't even buy a poppy themselves.
In May 2010, Tohseef Shah spray painted a British War Memorial with "Islam will dominate, Osama is coming" he was fined £50 and walked free from court. In November 2010, Emdadur Choudhury burned a Poppy during the 2 minute silence. He too, was given a £50 fine and walked free from court. Today, 2 men have been sentenced to 12 months in prison for spray painting a Poppy on a mosque. Welcome to the Great British justice system. Disgusting..
Edit. it did have more on but I cut off the bits I didnt agree with, and still got grief for posting this, so I ended up deleting it altogether. Just not worth it :laugh:
are those stories actually true though? can't seem to find anything online
Stuff like this annoys me on facebook
HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME POUNDLAND, SENDING STAFF HOME FOR WEARING A POPPY!!! IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE AND THE MEN AND WOMEN LOST, YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING IN YOUR POXY SHOP, YOU'RE PURE DIRT, AND BODYSHOP HAVE BANNED STAFF FROM WEARING POPPY'S,........SET THIS AS YOUR STATUS IF YOU SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.....POPPYS ARE NOT SECTARIAN FLOWERS .....WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE!!!
Random nonsense that probably didn't even happen but people feel the need to post, and they probably don't even buy a poppy themselves.
:worship:
And just veering right off topic, the one about being a mum really annoys me. Trading salon haircuts for ponytails etc :rolleyes:
arista
10-11-2011, 05:40 PM
A Group of fromer banned Muslims
a going to try to burn poppies tomorrow.
Ref: Radio 5 Live and LBC
Police will try to catch them first.
This Group want there Muslim Law in Our Nation
They are Nutters
Vicky.
10-11-2011, 05:42 PM
are those stories actually true though? can't seem to find anything online
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7657600/Muslim-walks-free-as-court-told-Osama-bin-Laden-graffiti-not-religiously-motivated.html
£500 fine
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12664346
£50 fine
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/racist_attacks_pair_are_jailed_for_a_year_1_385120 5
12 month sentance, but it seems there was more to it than the poppy being spray painted upon further reading :suspect:
(So no, technically it wasnt totally true...should read up on things before reposting them :laugh:)
But the s**t I was getting was nothing about them not being true...it was 'why does it matter to you if british people get treat worse by law anyway'...which is just ridiculous. Of course it would matter.
The group who burned the Poppy last year were banned today though, so that protest won't be happening again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15678275
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/racist_attacks_pair_are_jailed_for_a_year_1_385120 5
12 month sentance, but it seems there was more to it than the poppy being spray painted upon further reading :suspect:
Wow they're stupid, spraying "EDL" & Poppy graffiti on a store that was selling them :crazy:
Angus
10-11-2011, 05:54 PM
I have always worn my poppy with pride, if it weren't for The Few, we would not enjoy the freedoms we now have in this country. This year though I've got through 3 of them. First one got destroyed when I forgot it was on my mac and it ended up in the washing machine. 2nd one got destroyed by my grandson who ripped it off my coat and ate it. Hoping no. 3 makes it to tomorrow which is the actual armistice anniversary, not Sunday that's been designated:laugh:
Actually quite a unique day: 11:11:11:11
spitfire
10-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Stuff like this annoys me on facebook
HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME POUNDLAND, SENDING STAFF HOME FOR WEARING A POPPY!!!
Random nonsense that probably didn't even happen but people feel the need to post, and they probably don't even buy a poppy themselves.
An employee was asked to remove a poppy, so she walked out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15507215
Vicky.
10-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Wow they're stupid, spraying "EDL" & Poppy graffiti on a store that was selling them :crazy:
Yup
That said, I know it sounds horrible, but I dont see it as that much worse than spraying “Islam will dominate the world – Osama is on his way” and “Kill Gordon Brown” on war memorials :shrug:
Both the same thing to me.
Suppose 'where an upstairs window of the Milco store was smashed with a brick.' makes it worse...(assuming that was also the lads, the story doesnt make that part too clear, just says a similar car was in the area)
spitfire
10-11-2011, 06:01 PM
Wow they're stupid, spraying "EDL" & Poppy graffiti on a store that was selling them :crazy:
EDL are stupid, period.
InOne
10-11-2011, 06:04 PM
An employee was asked to remove a poppy, so she walked out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15507215
The way it's worded, "against company's dress policy" seems a little odd.
spitfire
10-11-2011, 06:06 PM
The way it's worded, "against company's dress policy" seems a little odd.
Aye and then come Christmas they make the staff wear Santa badges, stupid hats etc.
Yup
That said, I know it sounds horrible, but I dont see it as that much worse than spraying “Islam will dominate the world – Osama is on his way” and “Kill Gordon Brown” on war memorials :shrug:
Both the same thing to me.
Suppose 'where an upstairs window of the Milco store was smashed with a brick.' makes it worse...(assuming that was also the lads, the story doesnt make that part too clear, just says a similar car was in the area)
Yeah all prejudice is stupid, suppose these kind of things are just left at each judges discretion as to how severe the punishment is
arista
10-11-2011, 06:10 PM
That Muslim Leader
was just on ITV1 London News
he claims at the Royal Albert Hall
his pals will burn poppies.
He needs to be Jailed or something.
Vicky.
10-11-2011, 06:11 PM
Yeah all prejudice is stupid, suppose these kind of things are just left at each judges discretion as to how severe the punishment is
All extremists(do we call dickheads like these stories extremists...or just racist pricks?) of any religion or whatever, should be stuck on an island in the middle of nowhere and left to battle it out between themselves.
Always a select few make whole groups of people look bad and theres really no need :bored:
Vicky.
10-11-2011, 06:13 PM
That Muslim Leader
was just on ITV1 London News
he claims at the Royal Albert Hall
his pals will burn poppies.
He needs to be Jailed or something.
See I dont get this. there are threats of it beforehand...why not sort it out before it happens?
If they can jail those people for trying to start a riot, they can jail people who plan things like this and brag about it.
InOne
10-11-2011, 06:14 PM
When it's the EDL it's racist, when it's Radical Muslims it's "extremism"
fruit_cake
10-11-2011, 06:24 PM
what do poppies and muslims have to do with each other? beats me
arista
10-11-2011, 06:34 PM
what do poppies and muslims have to do with each other? beats me
Thats Easy
We a fighting in Muslim Nations - thanks to Evil Bush /Blair
thats why we had the London Tube/Bus Bombs
in 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings
fruit_cake
10-11-2011, 06:35 PM
I always thought the poppy represented WW1
arista
10-11-2011, 06:36 PM
I always thought the poppy represented WW1
No its all Army right up to now
arista
10-11-2011, 06:38 PM
When it's the EDL it's racist, when it's Radical Muslims it's "extremism"
Of course Muslim Extreme Gangs are both
fruit_cake
10-11-2011, 06:47 PM
maybe they're cold
Livia
10-11-2011, 07:25 PM
I always thought the poppy represented WW1
The poppy represents servicemen and women who have died in all conflicts since WW1. It was adopted when swathes of red poppies bloomed on the battlefields where so many had died.
Muslims (not all, a tiny minority of demented extremists who are stuck in the dark ages) made a connection with the poppy when they decided to burn them. Also when they announced they plan to break the silence on Remembrance Day when people remember the people who died or who have been injured to give us the freedoms we enjoy now.
Tom4784
10-11-2011, 07:39 PM
Poppies have just become a way of showing off how self righteous a person is these days, It's less about showing respect towards soldiers and more about showing off how much you 'care' to everyone else as well as giving these people a sense of superiority. It's just very disengenuine to me now. People just wear them to look good and that's ruined the spirit of them for me.
I make a donation every year but I don't wear poppies, I pay my respects in my own way that's not dominated by a need to show off.
When it's the EDL it's racist, when it's Radical Muslims it's "extremism"
Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic
InOne
10-11-2011, 10:13 PM
Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic
No, I mean that's how it is portrayed in the media.
Livia
10-11-2011, 11:02 PM
Poppies have just become a way of showing off how self righteous a person is these days, It's less about showing respect towards soldiers and more about showing off how much you 'care' to everyone else as well as giving these people a sense of superiority. It's just very disengenuine to me now. People just wear them to look good and that's ruined the spirit of them for me.
I make a donation every year but I don't wear poppies, I pay my respects in my own way that's not dominated by a need to show off.
I don't see how everyone who wears a poppy is being disingenuous. Maybe that's how some people think. But, believe me, at the Cenotaph on Sunday Morning, no one will be wearing them for show or to feel good about themselves. And no one who's served, or lost someone who's served will be wearing them to show off. Suggesting people only wear them for show is insulting to the vast majority of people who wear them with genuine pride. It's good you contribute, and fine if you choose not to wear your poppy, but it's wrong to accuse everyone when your comments only apply to a few.
CharlieO
13-11-2011, 05:21 PM
We have been forced to wear them at school.
arista
13-11-2011, 06:04 PM
Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic
http://i.imgur.com/uCsOz.png
Saying for Troops to Burn in hell,
last year, just creates more anger
Shasown
14-11-2011, 01:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/uCsOz.png
Saying for Troops to Burn in hell,
last year, just creates more anger
Interesting. Amusing to think if it wasnt for the troops that the poppies remember, those same protestors may not have the right to demonstrate their hatred of those troops or the state that supports them.
Sometimes makes you wonder if it may not have been better if Kaiser Bill or Dolf had won.
Mystic Mock
14-11-2011, 02:25 AM
Does this stupid government give into every countries demand? I dont wear a Poppy but it should be an option for people of this country that want to remember the poor soldiers in the past.
And the muslims that are threatening to burn the Poppies are hypocrites because they hate anybody just mocking there ways,just look at the death threats the South Park writers got so they should shut there mouths.
Does this stupid government give into every countries demand? I dont wear a Poppy but it should be an option for people of this country that want to remember the poor soldiers in the past.
And the muslims that are threatening to burn the Poppies are hypocrites because they hate anybody just mocking there ways,just look at the death threats the South Park writers got so they should shut there mouths.
What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts
King Gizzard
14-11-2011, 02:55 AM
I would say it was more Prince William..but yeah
I would say it was more Prince William..but yeah
Fifa don't care about the Royal Family :hmph:
Shasown
14-11-2011, 03:15 AM
What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts
Not strictly true, FIFA rules forbid the wearing of political religious or commercial messages on teams shirts.
The poppy could be seen as both a political and religious message as its in Remembrance of Dead and Wounded servicemen.
http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/worldfootball/europe/9898-fifa-reiterate-poppy-ban-for-england-friendly
A compromise was reached to allow English, Welsh and Scottish teams to affix a poppy to black armbands worn over the shirt sleeve, thereby getting round the FIFA ruling. If you noticed however coaching staff on the sidelines still wore the tops with a cloth poppy sewn on.
This compromise was actually reportedly proposed by an MP who is also a qualified referee - Chris Heaton-Harris.
http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/component/content/article/72-football-news/9903-fifa-and-fa-reach-compromise-in-poppy-row
King Gizzard
14-11-2011, 03:31 AM
Half the team ended up not wearing them anyway
Livia
14-11-2011, 04:39 PM
Half the team ended up not wearing them anyway
All the players wore them, on their track suits, on their training shirts and on their armbands. Some had poppies on their boots. During the match some armbends fell off when the velcro came unstuck, but they all started out wearing them.
Jon Snow summed it up best :
"I am begged to wear an Aids ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't.
"And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.
"Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'He damned well must wear a poppy!'.
"Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."
Of course I have no problem with them and all that but I am a little dubious of this whole American type furore of supporting 'our boys' in the army who have been put on a bit too much of a pedestal in my opinion.
Mystic Mock
14-11-2011, 05:24 PM
What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts
Yeah after loads of complaints.:joker:
Jon Snow summed it up best :
"I am begged to wear an Aids ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't.
"And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.
"Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'He damned well must wear a poppy!'.
"Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."
Of course I have no problem with them and all that but I am a little dubious of this whole American type furore of supporting 'our boys' in the army who have been put on a bit too much of a pedestal in my opinion.
I do agree tbh, this might sound controversial but the Poppy seems to be increasingly becoming a way of legitimising war and militarism, and yeah the "Our Boys" rhetoric that you always see the Sun use. I did actually consider getting a White Poppy this year but then I'd have just felt pretentious.
Livia
14-11-2011, 09:09 PM
I was at the Cenotaph this year remembering someone close to me who's gone. Someone who served in the army. No one at the Cenotaph was feeling pleased with themselves because they'd dropped 50p into a poppy collector's box. No one there was indulging in "Our Boys" rhetoric. Most people had lost someone. I wish I could still revel in the ignorance that allows people to suggest people are "poppy nazis" because they think the country owes the military a debt of gratitude.
I was at the Cenotaph this year remembering someone close to me who's gone. Someone who served in the army. No one at the Cenotaph was feeling pleased with themselves because they'd dropped 50p into a poppy collector's box. No one there was indulging in "Our Boys" rhetoric. Most people had lost someone. I wish I could still revel in the ignorance that allows people to suggest people are "poppy nazis" because they think the country owes the military a debt of gratitude.
It's not that I don't respect soldiers, and I feel for anybody that has lost someone because of war. I've always honoured the two minutes silence and I try to go to Remembrance Parades and my objections to the Poppy don't change that. But I don't agree with war, and particularly not any of the ongoing conflicts that are just a waste of life, and I don't think the Army should be glamorised. The Poppy should be more used as a symbol for the condemnation of War and of it's grief, and we should also remember non-British victims, the countless number of civilians that have died in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.
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