Helen and Paul have split

[James]

:bawling:

I'm sorry to have break this news, I thought they were for keeps.


We are blinkin' through


By SARA NATHAN
TV Editor

DIPPY Big Brother star Helen Adams has dumped lover Paul Clarke — five years after they fell in love on the show.

Hairdresser Helen, 28 — famous for saying “Oh, my God” and “I love blinking, I do” — ended the romance after a rocky few months.

She said: “I felt like the Wicked Witch because I was first to say something. Once we started being honest, we realised we get on better as friends.”

The pair, who met on BB2, have sold their home in Barnet, North London, and are renting separate flats.

Paul, 29, admitted last night: “The last couple of months have been hell. But deep, deep down we know we’re making the right decision.

“From the day we met, we’ve never had time apart. We need to find ourselves again.”

The couple had the longest-running BB romance.


Tom McDermott, 35, and Claire Strutton, 29, met on the first Big Brother in 2000 and had a son, now three. But they split last year.

BB3’s Sophie Pritchard wed Lee Davey and had a son Max, now six months, but recently broke up.

And BB5’s Michelle Bass and Stuart Wilson — who famously romped under the dining table — split last July.

Last year Helen, from Wales, told The Sun she dreamed of a pink diamond engagement ring.

But Paul said yesterday: “For five years people have been asking me, ‘How's Helen? When are you getting married?’ It starts to drain you. It’s not that I don’t like talking about Helen, I just wanted to be a private person again.”

Helen told Heat magazine: “We’ll always be friends and Paul will still help me with long words.”


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003230001-2006270286,00.html

Updated 13-6-2006 03:28 PM:
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Update: magazine scans display at right size now.

[Sticks]

Is this why ROB has gone AWOL? :shocked::sad:

[rachb]

I'm so gutted where's the crying smilie when you need him.
Can't really say anything more I really thought the next news we'd get on them would be about the wedding.

[chilledbootz]

It's really sad. :bored: (yeah where is the crying smilie Rach?)

I still reckon there's hope for a reconcilliation. Maybe they just need time apart:thumbs:

[bonzobaby]

MUUAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAA!!

I told you they'd never last :hello::hello:

[rachb]

ermm bonzobaby I don't think you'll be getting a very warm welcome with a first post like that.
Using the :hello: to celebrate the end of someones relationship isn't the nicest of things to do is it:sad:
I know I'm not on my own when I say quite a few of our oldest members are very fond of Helen and Paul and if you were around all those years ago you'd have seen that they were one of the main reasons TIBB is what it is today.

anyway back to the topic I found him>:bawling: again
I've read the Heat magazine interview and it's all very sad.They've done a final joint interview to put the record straight and stop lies being made up.
I hope they can both find happiness and I hope they mean it when they say that they will always stay friends.
From reading the interview if the questions weren't about them splitting you'd think they were as happy as ever together if that makes sense:sad:
The way they still talk about each other is an example to anyone that's in the same position I think.
I do think it will be difficult for them to move on though everyone knows them as half of a couple.I just hope they are doing the right thing:bawling:

[Mike]

I never watched BB2 so can't really comment on what they were like together but its such a shame when they had lasted that long together after meeting in the BB house.

[bonzobaby]

Originally posted by rachb
ermm bonzobaby I don't think you'll be getting a very warm welcome with a first post like that.
Using the :hello: to celebrate the end of someones relationship isn't the nicest of things to do is it:sad:
I know I'm not on my own when I say quite a few of our oldest members are very fond of Helen and Paul and if you were around all those years ago you'd have seen that they were one of the main reasons TIBB is what it is today.

http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/geno/rofl.gif

Rach, my dear, surely those halcyon days of Paul boring the nation to tears with his LIES (or as I think the romantic old birds on here might put it, "tall stories") and dippy Helen falling for his 'charms' (just glad she's realised that she can do so much better) aren't THAT long ago?

If you are waxing lyrical about how the original members were so smitten by the relationship, then surely you'll realise that I precede the vast majority of the members on here.

BTW, what *did* happen to LEE? Couldn't stand her...

[rachb]

I'm sure LEE will sleep well in her bed knowing that bonzo and yep i think I may well remember you from all those years ago aswell.
Still you had a long wait to say I told you so.so enjoy your moment.
Anyway this thread wasn't for this was it:rolleyes:

[Bubs]

Well I for one was very sad to hear read this today!! I honestly thought they were a lovely couple and for keeps but sometimes things just don't work I suppose I wish them all the best and an sure they will be happy again and they say they will remain friends and if anything they still sound like they very much care about one another so believe them when they say they will remain friends!!

It would be even sadder if they didn't as they have spent the last 5 years together so that would be a shame!!

[Lance]

It's a shame to hear this news.

I really though Hellen and Paul would be together forever. Perhaps if they met in the reak world with no media attention it would have lasted. That seems to be the reason for the split. :bored:

[chickenthing]

OH NO! that is such a shame i really hope that they only need some time to themselves and end up back together although it all sounds so final selling their house and all:sad:

[BusyBee]

When Rach texted me this morning with the news, I was devastated. Couldnt believe it until I actually saw it in print.

Bonzo there are an awful lot of Paul and Helen fans on this site. You may not be amongst us but please dont sound so pleased that they have split.

As for me I wish them well in the future - you never know absence makes the heart grow fonder. That article certainly sounds as if they are still really close. Good on them for doing a joint interview. It must have been very hard for them. Feel like I have lost one of the family. Stupid but true.

BTW Sticks - ROB is up to her eyes at work that is why she hasnt been around.

[cc100]

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[Princess]

Absoutley gutted to hear this. I really thought they were meant to be,would last forvever and such. I didn't even watch BB2 and I'm upset so I can't even imagine what you guys are feeling. :sad:

[James]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10504/thumb_Helen_and_Paul-Heat-June-2006-a.jpg (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6032&fullsize=1) http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10504/thumb_Helen_and_Paul-Heat-June-2006-b.jpg (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6033&fullsize=1) http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10504/thumb_Helen_and_Paul-Heat-June-2006-c.jpg (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6034&fullsize=1) http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10504/thumb_Helen_and_Paul-Heat-June-2006-d.jpg (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=6035&fullsize=1)

Click on the thumbnails to read interview.

Update: magazine scans display at right size now.

[Princess]

Thanks James.

I'm crying again :bawling:

[cc100]

I guess this must have happened a good few months ago, knowing how long it takes to sell a property.

[rachb]

I've been so upset all day about this but spending the last 5 years hoping they'll stay together and defending them for probably the first couple of years I think it's going to take some time to get used to them not being Helen & Paul.
CC I don't really think Helen is to blame in this I think it's one of those things that happen.
She gave up so much to be with him she left Wales & her mum and I suspect turned down some tv offers that he didn't want her to do early after bb finished.In every interview she's hinted for him to propose and he didn't.
I don't think anyone is to blame.I think the pressure of everyone expecting them to marry maybe was a factor.that happens in all realtionships people keep asking when it will happen but it must have been much worse when strangers are doing it aswell.
I just wish they'd married and maybe it would have made them work at it more.relationships do change into something different after so many years but it doesn't mean the end in most.I just hope that if one of them misses the other then they'll tell each other.
They still sound as if they care very much for each other which in some ways makes it harder to understand.
from The Sun article this morning most of the newspaper sites have picked up on it so I think they'll perhaps get more attention over the next few weeks than they'd want.

[cc100]

Good points rachb.

Helen did hint a lot that she wanted him to propose so maybe she just got fed of waiting??

At least they had the nous to arrange a last pay day from heat........

[rachb]

I think the Heat interview was just to tell everyone.If they were getting asked each day when they were getting married after they'd split that would hurt so much.
It's probably the easiest way of them letting everyone know.
Also to stop the tabloids making up stories of why they split.

[Sticks]

Looks like the Lord Low Troll finally won :bawling:

See here for obscure reference (http://www.gsne03768.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mythology.htm) (Note in a few days time - possibly Thursday I will be taking this part of my site down as it will be too painful to keep up) :sad: :bawling:

[Chrizzle]

That is a shame

I suppose it shows that a Big Brother relationship is just the same as any other.

I hope they are both very happy

[bonzobaby]

Originally posted by BusyBee
Bonzo there are an awful lot of Paul and Helen fans on this site. You may not be amongst us but please dont sound so pleased that they have split.

Please don't think I'm a hater of Paul and Helen - indeed, I have always been a fan of Helen (Brian and Helen were always my favourites in BB2 - I didn't mind which won, as long as one of them did).

As this is a big brother forum, I thought one would be welcome to post one's opinions on Big Brother related news such as this.

As Helen was one of my favourite housemates, I'm actually delighted that they have split - better to go your seperate ways than suffer in a loveless relationship!

So here's to the split :hello:

[lizzie_bb5]

Awwww. I just read about it on digital spy. I thought they'd be together forever- glad their still friends though! x

[steve_o]

Bad news, but at least there very honest about it, that's what I always liked about Helen and Paul good luck to them both. Who knows time apart might be a good thing, the pressure must have been bad for both of them. Bonzobaby come on, give people who liked em a break, your entitled to your opion you've had your gloat, but gloating about it over and over again looks more sad than the actual split. :sad:

[discoshag]

Am I missing something?

Are all of you people personal friends/family of Helen and Paul, and directly involved in their lives? I'd have thought that unless you were family, bonzobaby's opinion that his fave HM, Helen, has been saved from a "limiting"relationship should be irrelevant to you.

Strange goings on.

[rachb]

oooh I didn't realise you two were still together :sad:
thought wherever Bonzo goes you follow though
welcome back:xyxwave:
I'm sure we don't even need to answer that one do we:bored:

[discoshag]

Hi
Sorry, Rach - I think you may have mistaken me for someone else... I'm not *with* bonzobaby in any sense! I haven't been here for a long time, but I'm not sure that I know you.

Thanks for the welcome, though. :elephant:

[steve_o]

Your dead right discoshag his opion is irrelevant never thought of it like that :eureka: Waste of bandwidth really :bored:

[discoshag]

lol, I'm glad I helped you to see things more clearly steve.

Though, with respect, I don't share your opinion.

[bananarama]

I too am gutted to hear the news of their split. They seemed so suited. A sad end to the BB2 saga. :sad::sad:

[Di2001]

Was sad to read the article in The Sun yesterday while trying to eat my breakfast at the same time.

Thanks for posting up the Heat article James. Such a shame :bawling:

Going to be interesting to see what ROB has to say about it all.......

[Di2001]

The Look of Love...........:love:

[rachb]

:bawling:Oh Di that pic :bawling:
How could it have all gone so wrong for them:bawling:

[babyangel]

aw i think its a shame really its s shame when anyone split casue they obviously loved each other at one point, lets hope they work it out, and best of luck to them!

[lyndy]

it is so sad to read this on tele text . then read it in heat mag. my heart goes out to both of them . :bawling::bawling:

[BB-Rocks]

I never watched BB2 but they seemed great together

[BusyBee]

CC - I think the idea of a last pay day from heat was the last thing on their mind. They have always used Heat to make announcements - remember they had their first interview the money for which they gave to charity.

A day after I am still in denial. If I dont read anything or see the article in Heat then it hasnt happened!

I think there were lots of reasons for the break-up. And they do say that they sold the flat because they were thinking of buying a house together.

Still good thing is that Helen is moving to Bristol. Good choice that. I shall be keeping my beady little eye out for her while I am out doing retail therapy.

I do hope all the interest that we have always shown in them hasnt contributed to all this. Paul has always said he wanted a private life and it must have been difficult to have people coming up to you and talking as if they had been best friends with you for ever.

Perhaps becoming 30 has made Paul sit back and think what he really wants from life. It is such a shame because they both gave up an awful lot to be together and went through a lot.

I just hope the media give them some privacy and dont keep trying to get interviews. They need time to themselves to come to terms with things.

Oh dear I'm off again:bawling::bawling: where's the tissues.

[cc100]

On reflection, I think my negative comments towards Helen were just made in a state of shock- I really dont have any bad feelings towards Helen (or Paul for that matter). I still think shes one of the loveliest people to ever grace television:love:. I genuinely wish her and Paul every happiness.:thumbs:

I feel stupid to have written the things I did. Sorry Helen! :thumbs:

Its just a huge surprise and Im genuinely saddened to hear it, mainly because its so unexpected. I really cant be bothered with Big Brother anymore. H/P were the reason I came looking for a BB forum, to talk about them and how lovely they are/were together. I just dont know if Ill be bothered with coming back regularly to post anymore.

I guess what brought them together, eventually tore them apart.:bawling: Im sure they never made the decision lightly, but I hope they know what they are doing because true love only happens once in your life.

It amazes me how Paul could let a girl like Helen go. He must be mad! I suppose I always had this scenario in the back of my mind, because if everything was as great as we all thought, then surely they would have got married or at least engaged long before their fifth anninversary? Im sure Paul (or even Helen) would have proposed if they were sure they were for keeps.

I suppose that at the start of their relationship, Helen was reliant and dependant on Paul and she has obviously matured and changed, proven by the fact that shes moving to Bristol on her own. I couldnt imagine her doing that a few years back. So maybe thats the reason for the split- shes just doesent need him anymore? Or maybe she wanted to move to Bristol and Paul didnt?

I guess in a few months or so, we'll see a couple of 'Paul:My new love' or 'Helen: My new fella' stories in heat. It is hard to imagine, but I hope they get the happiness they deserve. Its hard to imagine them staying friends- it just doesent work like that, and especially with Helen moving to Bristol, its hard to believe they'll stay 'good friends' although Im sure they speak on the phone. But if they get into new realtionahips, which Im sure they will, then will the new partner want an ex hanging around? Doubt it.

Theres no hint of unhappiness here in this interview in April: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=41548

As for them getting back together- sadly I think this is the end for good.:sad:

I could write a five page essay here, but Ill leave it at that now, because it gets me down thinking about it.

If they cant make it- then what hope for the rest of us?:conf:


More coverage:
Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/bigbrother/tm_objectid=17219654%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=paul%2dand%2dhelen%2dsplit-name_page.html)
ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/entertainment_05733b50bec48bfdc2d37576953992f2.htm l)

Sky (http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1224528,00.html)


Remember this? : BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1501913.stm)
and : Internet forum (http://theinternetforum.co.uk/bigbrother2/helen2.html)

[Romantic Old Bird]

I have only just heard about this.

Obviously, I'm gutted, devastated, whatever.

I think they waited too long really.

Love becomes friendship - if you are lucky.

Who knows, maybe they will realise they can't live without each other.

Still it is their life, and I am over the obsession I had for ages with them, but I still love them both, and will always remember 2001 with great fondness.

Bonzo my friend, glad you are well - just sad you felt the need to gloat and cast dispersions.

Paul didn't lie - the guy was and is honest.

Be nice

Good luck to Paul and Helen

[Sticks]

I know this will sound crass, but as I will be updating one of my websites with a wrench, will a number of those with Helen and Paul banners be changing them now along with the various related avatars? :bawling:

[cc100]

Ill keep my avator and banner as they arent really specific to to their relationship.

Well said ROB, its their life and you have to respect that and wish them well even though it is sad. But what do you mean by saying 'they waited too long'?

[rachb]

I have the view that they waited too long aswell CC.
In my opinion when you've been in a relationship for so long things do change.It's not the same as at the start but that doesn;'t mean it's bad.I think it is more like a friendship or companionship at least.
I think if they'd married then perhaps they would have giiven it a better chance but who knows how they'd been feeling really.We only have their interviews to go from.
As for my avatar and signature as much as it's sad to see I'm leaving them for now as it makes me sad to think about changing them:sad:

[Romantic Old Bird]

Originally posted by cc100
Ill keep my avator and banner as they arent really specific to to their relationship.

Well said ROB, its their life and you have to respect that and wish them well even though it is sad. But what do you mean by saying 'they waited too long'?

I mean, every relationship has it's rocky periods. They stayed single too long. Each waiting for the other to take the final step - in the end when the first flush wears off, you either weather the storm, and find a new place to put them in your heart, or you just throw in the towel.

If they had married after a couple of years they would probably built even more irreversible bridges and ties.

I married OH a few months after marrying him. The odds, and his parents were against us, and it hurried us into a probably foolhardy early commitment to each other.

I hardly noticed my relationship with OH throughout our early years. Too busy bringing up two gorgeous little boys, developing a career, and looking after my mum when she had finished looking after us as a family.

Then my boys left home for Uni, and my mum died, and I looked at OH and couldn't find the bloke I married. He never changed his feelings for me. We had a few rough spells throughout, although there was never anyone else.

If I hadn't had the boys, maybe we would have gone our seperate ways after 5 years.

Now he is my best friend, my only real soul-mate..

I just fear H&P are making the mistake that many do. The first passionate flush isn't really a long-lasting thing.

What you develop into is a warm, kind and tender affection for each other. You think and say the same sort of things, you share so much and so many memories.

The most enduring thing in a successful relationship is really LIKING someone very much, and having a wonderful, intimate friend.

I still think they have that you know.:love:

[cc100]

Good points and I agree with it.

Im only 24 but I can see that the honeymoon period is only temporary for 95% of couples. Ive been with my lass for 16 months and we are still in that first flush of love/lust where your heart genuinely skips a beat when you hear them on the phone or see them coming through the front door. I know it wont last forever, but I really feel we are good friends and I think true friendship can last. Thats what I thought H & P had- Paul was always making the point that she is/was his best mate. So maybe they are making that mistake as you point out ROB, and maybe they will realise that they need each other, but..........people do change and if you read Helens early interviews and compare them to her recent interview in this section that I linked to, you can see she is more mature and maybe they just didnt want the same thing anymore.

I always did think that they might not make it, even though I didnt say so on here because once it went past 2 or 3 years, the chances of them getting married did seem to diminish.

Saying all that, it is very sad but, maybe we should be happy for them that they had a good time together and shared a lot of experiences.

Lets hope they can find happiness elsewhere and remain friends.

[cc100]

I tell you what though- its great that they have been amicable to each other and that they havent done separate interviews where they slate each other and spill the beans about their private time together. Maybe they really will stay friends?

:thumbs:

[rachb]

I never doubted they would get married even after so many years though.I didn't get married until we'd been together for 12 years as we were very young when we met although we never lived together before and so I think that makes a difference.I think living with someone you really get to know them and probably after the first couple of years know if it's going to last.
That's why I was shocked I thought perhaps it was that people were asking them all the time and they were just going against the pressure other people were putting on them to do it.
I don't think marriage and children would put things right but the excitement of getting married and then later having children would have taken things to another level I think.
I'm not saying though that it would put problems right and nobody should do it for that but if it's just a case of wanting to move foward it would have been one solution.I know they have to do what is right for them but I just hope that they don't expect any relationship to be different after such a long time as they may never find that happens.I always thought the fact that he called her his best friend would mean it would last as after the first few years and excitement were over that would have been the right ingredient for growing old together.
I'd have felt better if she was staying close though as they'd have had more contact I'm sure.

[James]

From reading the interview it seems they split for practical reasons like where they wanted to live, and the fact that people still recognise them, rather than not being able to get on with each other well enough any more.

It's a shame that, because it looks like their relationship was eventually ended because they met initially on Big Brother - if they had met up normally there wouldn't be the possibility for Helen to do the media work that Paul might think makes it more difficult for him to be a private person. It's understandable that Paul wouldn't want to harm his career, and it is also understandable that Helen would like the idea of a TV career.

In retrospect Helen being a hairdresser from Wales who was given celebrity opportunities because of a reality TV show and Paul having a professional design career was going to push them in different directions, I think.

Also if they hadn't met on Big Brother people wouldn't still know who they are... I'm sure that is really a big reason for this breakup because you only have to put yourself in their shoes to understand how strange it is for other people to know about you while you know nothing about them. Some celebrity-type couples obviously love this attention, and that is why they constantly sell details of their lives to magazines, but most ordinary people dislike it immensely and Paul, in particular, obviously wants to stay private.

That is one of the reasons I liked Paul in Big Brother - he had a good career (in a technical area that is interesting to me) and looked like he was happy to go back to that after the show finished.

Of course it would have been impossible for Helen and Paul to meet, and get to know each other, had they not been on BB together given their differing backgrounds.

From watching how they were together on Big Brother - and admittedly that was five years ago - I thought they were made for each other. Even if the initial feelings had faded to friendship and companionship I don't think that they would just split up because of that alone - and given away the relationship they still had - without the practical problems.

I'm not sure that getting married would have made a difference to them staying together, though having children obviously would have if that had come about. But from what Helen said in interviews she didn't want children in the near future.

Again this opinion is based on only the interviews they have given from time to time (which wasn't that often).

[bonzobaby]

Originally posted by Sticks
I know this will sound crass, but as I will be updating one of my websites with a wrench, will a number of those with Helen and Paul banners be changing them now along with the various related avatars? :bawling:

I realise it must be a big wrench, so hopefully these will help :spin2:


http://www.thebighouse.co.uk/tibb/rob.gif

http://www.thebighouse.co.uk/tibb/rachb.gif

[cc100]

Thats hilarious^.:sleep:

Good points there James, I agree with pretty much everything youve said.

I think its just a huge shock to us beacause we were so convinced they had it made. On the recent BB Love Stories show shown in May, Helen still spoke lovingly of Paul and looked happy.

I got the impression that Paul probably wanted marriage soon and maybe children too, but they probably didnt agree. I guess its that age old problem of just not wanting the same things.

Who knows? and Im glad we dont know. Im glad they've managed to keep their private details of the split to themselves. I respect that hugely for that, as Im sure we all do.

I hope we still hear the odd thing in the press/media from Helen, but I feel this is the last we hear off Paul.

My message to Paul and Helen (if ever you did/or do read these sites) is: We all hope you get the happiness you deserve and all the luck in the world finding it. Thanks for the great memories!:thumbs:

[miss little glitzee]

Oh this is really bad news! I hope they stay friends- they had such a good thing together!

Its sad for us, but maybe we should be happy for them that theyve managed to split amicably and stay loyal to each other rather that get involved in a slanging match as a lot of other celebs do when they split.

I just cant see them being that close a friends because Helen is moving away- its such as shame.

I didnt want them to split obviously, but I hope they find someone else to love, but as cc100 says, I think true love only happens once- if youre lucky!

God bless, and we all still love you both!:hello:

[cc100]

Its great that they dont seem to have had a big falling out and there seems no bitterness.

[Romantic Old Bird]

I have thought about it all, recovered slightly, and now I'm so down again. I want to get hold of them both and put them back together, Tonights BB eviction just made me think about all the Paul Survival moments, the 'shall we have our talk?' ........'in the den?' moments.

Ignore everything else I said. I'm gutted, and feel so frustrated I can't do anything about it.

They belong together!

Are you out there you two???

Listen to Auntie Wendy.

Get a room and make babies you silly people.!!!!!

(Thanks to my gs for the illustration!)

[cc100]

I know the feeling ROB. Its such a shame, it really is. I still cant beleive it...............:puzzled:

We have to respect their decision and Im sure they didnt take it lightly, but...........they are made for each other- I hope they havent made a mistake. I just think they'll regret it one day- perhaps they are just two stubborn people unable to back down?

From reading between the lines, I cant help thinking that if Paul had said he would go with Helen to Bristol, they wouldnt have parted- who knows?


Found this:

End of an era as Helen and Paul split (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=17225884%26method=full%26siteid=50082-name_page.html)

[miss little glitzee]

On one of the Welsh entertainment websites, it says that Helen has been approached for ITVs Celebrity Love Island this summer.

If its true, Im not sure its the right thing for her to do...........

[bananarama]

From what little knowledge I have read about the spli it does seem there is no real bitterness involved.

Do we know if either are in another relationship now!!!

They were so well matched I find it difficult to believe they won't miss each other after a rest apart and perhaps re-unite.....

They survived all the pressure of publicity after the show and beyond so I do not believe still being of media interest had anything what so ever to do with their split.

They have remained a private couple since leaving the house and I am afraid the truth behind their seperation will also remain private..

Still hoping for an eventual happy ending....Bananarama..:sad:

[BusyBee]

Celebrity Love Island - well perhaps they could put both of them on it. Helen on her own I dont think would be a good thing - too close to the breakup. I do hope that Helen isnt setting her sights on a media careeer now because I honestly think it is too late for that.

As others have said if you are lucky once you have got past that honeymoon period you learn to be each other's best friend and soul mate. I really thought this was what had happened to them.

It is so easy to give up on relationships, I know my OH and I have had our ups and downs in the past, perhaps it was the kids that kept us together I dont know, but we always sat down and discussed matters. I know when the kids were young I always put them first, but now they have left home we have had to build a relationship with just the two of us, and know what its Great. His accident last year made me realise he really is my best friend, it could have been so different. He really was lucky.

Paul and Helen had it hard right from the start with all the media attention, it was a wonder they got together in the first place. Makes me want to sti them down, bang their heads together and tell them to remember how it felt then. Is it worth giving up all the good time for an uncertain future?

As Helen always said she felt as if part of her is missing when she was away from Paul. Lets hope she feels that way now.

Though why Helen wants to live in Bristol I dont know. Perhaps it was an iniital compromise to be halfway between Newport and Reading. But Bristol will give her a great welcome. she can always come to me for a cup of tea and a chat.

The problem is that for a lot of us 2001 was Paul and Helen. It was so nice to see genuine love growing in the house rather than the 'lets have a relationship to keep us in' that seems to be the thing now.

Five years is a long time to be together, there will be lots of reminders for them (as well as for us). But if they really arent right for each other then it is better for them to break up now rather than get married, have children and then break up.

I think we were all in such a state of shock when we first heard its taken a few days to sink in.

[cc100]

Well said BusyBee.

Perhaps Helen wanted to go to Bristol for some kind of media job, but Paul wanted to stay where he is? Id love to see more of helen in the media, but not at the expense of her relationship with Paul.

I thought that if they did break up, it would be Pauls decision. I cant beleive hes let her go. Madness!!:sad:

I suppose we all want Helen to be happy- but maybe Paul just didnt do that anymore? We'll never know.

As for Love Island- Pah! It'll never happen. Theres no way she'd do it. As much as we want to see more of her on telly, we dont want to see her on this trash.

BTW-ROB, could you (or anyone else) u2u me your email address please, as my u2u is playing up again?
Thanks.

[rachb]

There's quite a few letters in Heat magazine this week about H&P lots of them from names I recognise:wink:
Think mine was probably put in the 'too sad to print' section:rolleyes:

[Sticks]

Anychance that James could scan them in?

[BusyBee]

Mine's there - you will have to work out which one it is - I admit it - I'm sad.:blush2::blush2:

[BigSister]

*Reminds my self to buy Heat this week*

[cc100]

I still havent read the interview theyve given to heat yet, as its too sad and feels like the end of an era.

Do you know what I mean?

As for the letters in heat this week- I sent a letter into heat about 6 weeks ago suggesting they did an interview with P/H as it was their 5th anniversary soon.............

[BusyBee]

Oh CC think we should declare 11 July a day of mourning. What could have been.

As for me I still cant bring myself to alter my banner. Sad I know.

[cc100]

Yep, 11 July will be a sad day indeed. An official TiBB day of mourning.

As for the banner- I dont think you or other members should change them.

Lets not forget the good times, eh?

[BigSister]

no I agree dont change the banners:thumbs:

[Di2001]

I'm going to keep my pic of them in my banner

[James]

Originally posted by Sticks
Anychance that James could scan them in?

I had a look at the letters in the shop today. I didn't buy the magazine though.

[rachb]

There's a mention of Helen in The Sun today in the TV biz section.
It says she's working in a small salon in Bristol.
She's been spotted looking at luxury flats in Portishead Marina.
''A 'source':rolleyes:says she wanted to make a new start and move away from London.Five years is a long time to be with someone and the split is still fresh in her mind,she wants to start anew''

there's a small picture of her drying someones hair:wink:

[BusyBee]

Dont know whether Helen would be happy in Portishead - full of upmarket snobs who 'travel to the office in Bristol every day'.

Should think being in a small salon would mean less people asking questions because they probably dont know who she is.

I shall keep my eyes open just in case I can report a sighting of her around.

[cc100]

Any chance of a scan of the pic, please? Or is it on the website?

[Princess]

Originally posted by cc100
Any chance of a scan of the pic, please? Or is it on the website?

I can try and scan them later if I get a chance.

[miss little glitzee]

Oooo great, thanks Princess.

I was just going to ask someone them to scan them in too!

[cc100]

Thanks Princess!:hello:

[BigSister]

Thanks Laura

[rachb]

There's no sign of it on the website sorry about the quality of this had to do it on my camera as my scanner is broken:thumbs:

[babybay]

its sooo bad. they were great together but if they werent happy its for the best

[babybay]

oh thanks rach!!

[cc100]

Thanks rachb.:thumbs:

I guess the curse of Hello! strikes again...........:bawling:

[miss little glitzee]

Thanks rachb.

Is it a posed photo, or taken through the window?

She looks lovely.

[Romantic Old Bird]

She is still wearing her friendship ring which Paul bought her

[cc100]

I noticed that too.

Theres a little piece in this weeks TVQuick. Ill scan it in when I can get to my scanner.

[BusyBee]

Looks like it was taken through the window of the salon by 'a passer by'. So glad she is still wearing that ring.

Am trying to persuade OH that it would be nice idea to take the mums for a little trip to Portishead next Sunday afternoon. Now I wonder what made me think of that kind gesture? They can sit by the sea and watch the ships go past, whilst I sit and ...............

[Romantic Old Bird]

Whilst you parade back and forth in front of the salon window

[Sticks]

Sorry, but after 5 years BB2 has finally ended

[cc100]

Originally posted by Romantic Old Bird
Whilst you parade back and forth in front of the salon window

I back this move!:hello::thumbs:

Although I think you may be right, Sticks........

[miss little glitzee]

Nice to see that she still has the ring.

I guess true love takes a while to fade and die? Or does it mean something more?

Is there still hope?

As much as I like Helen, I always thought she was quite fickle and stubborn. Maybe she just needs time away from him to realise that she still needs him?

[Romantic Old Bird]

No excuses for saying a little more on this.

Spotted this article on msn today about how and why we fall in and out of love.

H&P please read and inwardly digest!!


quote
Why does the spark of chemistry disappear over time? No longer tearing each other’s clothes off every time you meet? You might fear your love is dying, but it’s actually just transforming into something you can handle for the long run. “The calming of passion in a relationship is actually a survival trait,” says Dr. Fisher. “When you’re courting, you do things that are very taxing to your mind and body: You talk until dawn, you forget to go to work, you forget to call your friends, you forget to feed the dog, you dash off and spend all of your money in Paris. If you were to live the next twenty years in that state, you’d certainly die of exhaustion!” Settling into a calmer place can, you see, be a very good thing.

[Maxine]

OMG, I cannot believe what I'm reading! I haven't logged in for a very long time, although I've checked this place out every now and then to check if helen & Paul have gotten married yet, which is why I came by today. And instead of that kind of news, I find out they have separated!?! :bawling: I thought they were made for each other, I can't believe they broke up. This is so sad, so incredibly utterly sad! :sad:

Sometimes broken-up couples realize they can't live without each other, we can always hope that is the case with these two! :love:

[cc100]

Originally posted by Romantic Old Bird
No excuses for saying a little more on this.

Spotted this article on msn today about how and why we fall in and out of love.

H&P please read and inwardly digest!!


quote
Why does the spark of chemistry disappear over time? No longer tearing each other’s clothes off every time you meet? You might fear your love is dying, but it’s actually just transforming into something you can handle for the long run. “The calming of passion in a relationship is actually a survival trait,” says Dr. Fisher. “When you’re courting, you do things that are very taxing to your mind and body: You talk until dawn, you forget to go to work, you forget to call your friends, you forget to feed the dog, you dash off and spend all of your money in Paris. If you were to live the next twenty years in that state, you’d certainly die of exhaustion!” Settling into a calmer place can, you see, be a very good thing.




A very good find there ROB.

But, I guess they just dont want to be together any longer and we must accept it and move on hoping they find happiness elsewhere.

[BusyBee]

Good find there ROB - I remember finding some time ago an astrology item and their birth dates worked out that they were soul mates and made for each other.

You never know CC 'absence makes the heart grow fonder'. I live in hope that these two will realise loving someone can be just as exciting as being in love with someone. If you lived your life with someone in the same way you feel during those heady first few months, you wouldnt survive!!! Love changes all the time and, if you are lucky, you find your best friend and soul mate who your life would be incomplete without.

[Sticks]

Sorry this is all whistling in the wind. Even if Helen did change her mind, would Paul still be interested.

The sceptics were right all along:rolleyes:

[petes_twitch]

OK, i've been a huge Helen and Paul fan since BB2, i have followed their romance also from the beginning. Helen did not dump Paul, it was a mutual decision made because they discovered they wanted different things in life. My husband works with Paul and has had several conversations with him over this in recent weeks, and told me about the split the night before it appeared in Heat magazine, they have sold their house now, and are both moving on, but they are and always will be a big part of eachothers lives.

[Romantic Old Bird]

Hello and welcome 'Petes twitch'.

Thankyou for your post. It was kind of you to take the time to post and I am happy you were there to speak for and defend them both.

I didn't think for a minute that Helen had 'dumped' Paul, or vice versa. I always have and always will think they are both lovely people. We are all just terribly sad that their very sweet and touching love story should, well - sort of fizzle out.

I understand the problems that being in the public eye have made, particularly for Paul. I think he realised how private a person he was when he came out of the house. It's something he obviously regrets taking part in, at least to some extent.

What is particularly sad and ironic is that the continued interest in them and their relationship was because they were recognised as just two fairly ordinary, honest and decent young people during their time together in the house. We shared their developing feelings and watched their bond grow. It was a beautiful experience and I for one always felt privileged to have witnessed it.

Most of us on here who have been following their progress so avidly just want them to be happy. We really thought their future was together and as silly as it seems, we are grieving for the end of their love affair.

I am pleased they still have a warm and close relationshp, but the change is hard to comprehend. If they are destined to just be friends, I hope that friendship can survive the introduction of new loves into their lives. What an enormously daunting prospect for anyone becoming a partner with the incredibly strong presence of either one of them in the background.

I am trying to become the disinterested party that I know Paul particularly wants us all to be. It will take time though. The reason strangers talk to him is because we feel we know them both, and more importantly, because we really care about them. Paul feels like my third son, and Helen the girl I would love for him to have brought home.

My love and very best wishes for the future go to them both.
I hope they have some way of knowing how much we care, and that our interest was motivated purely by our affection and regard for them.:love:

[bananarama]

They wanted different things in life and that took 5 years to find out. :puzzled: Mmmmmmm. There are more questions than answers.....That is one answer I would not accept for one moment......

[rachb]

Hi and Welcome Pete's twitch :cat:
I suppose we all have to get used to them being apart but I still find it hard to remember.We've all put so much time and effort into supoorting them over the last 5 years that it's become like a habit.The most important thing is that they are happy but I do think for a while anyway it will be hard for either of them to form new relationships without it getting attention and I hope they are both ok with that.
There's a spotted of Paul in Heat this week

Helen Adams' ex Paul Clarke chatting to a brunette at the News Cafe in Puerto Banus,Spain during a lad's holiday.

:sad:

[BusyBee]

Thanks for the post Pete's twitch. It is nice that you took the time to give us information 'from the horse's mouth so to speak'.

I think we all feel that we hope that our continuing interest in the pair was not the main cause of the break up. I for one was glued to my set in 2001, not because I wanted to see the 'will they wont they' story happen, but because I felt privileged to see two people gradually falling in love and dealing with the problems that involved. I admired them so much particularly how they dealt with things when they both left the house.

For me Paul was always a second son and Helen the girl he brought home, or Helen a second daughter and Paul the boy she brought home. All I ever wanted, and want, is for them to be happy and if that is apart then so be it. I must admit I felt like I did when my son broke up with his girlfriend of three and a half years, sad that something that was so good came to an end.

One of my best memories is of meeting Helen a couple of years ago. She was so friendly and open and gushing about Paul. It was like talking to a friend. In fact it was difficult to get a word in - that girl can talk for Wales. She never gave anyone she spoke to on that day the idea that they were intruding. She seemed amazed that people were interested.

I just hope that the media gives them the chance to grieve for the end of their relationship and for them to be happy in the future.

As for me there will always be a place in my heart for them both. I wish them all the luck in the world.

As for Rach's post - will be getting little snippets like this all the time now. It is going to be difficult for them to move on without the press jumping on what could be an innocent conversation. I would rather hear nothing than items like this.

[cc100]

The thing that I struggle to understand is that Helen appeared on that BB Love Stories show in May (which, presumably was filmed near that time) where she was gushing about Paul in her usual way, but then in June we hear news of the split and that theyve sold their flat- a bit too sudden, if you know what I mean? How long does it take to sell a property, find two new flats and even move to Bristol?

I do feel for Helen reading that snippet from Heat. Im afraid boys are different to girls in this sense. Boys tend to get over relationships quicker and look for new partners quicker than girls. Although Im sure Helen will have no shortage of offers or problems finding a new boy, its hard to imagine them with others.

I think we are going to see a lot of these 'spotted' stories over the coming months.

As for us being to blame- I really dont think 'we' here on this forum contributed to this. Maybe the pressure of people recognising them rather than them being in the press. Helen is still regarded as a pretty big celeb in Wales still and I imagine she would love that. So I think locally they were celebs and maybe got more coverage in the local press. We only really discussed them on here when they did a Heat interview or a telly appearance. I doubt they would have been to bothered by us talking about them- probably flattered if anything.

Helen was always the 'star' in the relationship. It was pretty clear in the early telly appearances by Paul that he was uncomfortable in those situations, wheras Helen seemed to love it.

As for Helen being 'fickle'- I think thats terribly harsh! How can you say that? Im sure shes had many offers over the years she was with Paul, but stayed loyal.

[bananarama]

The reasons for the split thus far mentioned I believe is nothing more than a diversion. The truth is out there but is not for our or public ears........

I believe there is still a lot of loyalty between the two of them and that is the reason we will not be told the real reason...Or for that matter neither will friends be told the real reason.

It does not repeat does not take 5 years to find out people want different things in life...Like I said just a diversion...

[petes_twitch]

:xyxwave:Thanks so much for the warm welcome everyone, and can i just say it warms my heart to find so many like-minded people on here that just want the best for H&P. To those few sceptics though, they had been discussing the state oftheir relationship for a while, and both realised neither wanted to marry the other, and actually laughed about it.

[BusyBee]

Glad that you took the time to post Pete's Twitch. We always give a huge welcome to anyone with a BB2 interest. To most of us it was the best of all the BBs, not just because of P&H. Although we, as you will have seen, have all been shocked and surprised by the news, it is so good that they have remained on good terms.

[cc100]

Originally posted by bananarama
The reasons for the split thus far mentioned I believe is nothing more than a diversion. The truth is out there but is not for our or public ears........

I believe there is still a lot of loyalty between the two of them and that is the reason we will not be told the real reason...Or for that matter neither will friends be told the real reason.

It does not repeat does not take 5 years to find out people want different things in life...Like I said just a diversion...

I agree. Surely you talk about your plans for the future all the time? I know in my relationship we do.

It just seems to sudden and out of the blue.

I suppose they do still care for each other and dont want to make each other look bad.

[cc100]

Anyhoo, heres the item in TV Quick:

[James]

The magazine scans in the first post on this thread might have displayed too small to read before.

I've fixed them so they should be okay to read now.

[cc100]

There is another little item in TVQuick this week- Ill scan it in soon.

[James]

'We'll always be friends - Paul will still help me with long words!'
Jul 9 2006

Marc Baker, Wales on Sunday

BLINKIN' lovely Helen Adams last night proved there is life after Big Brother as she spoke of her future since splitting from boyfriend Paul Clarke.

The couple had millions glued to their TV sets in 2001 when the pair set the Big Brother 2 house alight with romance.

But they stunned fans last month when Helen, 28, and Berkshire-born car designer Paul, 29, announced they were separating after five years, saying they had "just grown apart". The pair, who had set up home in London, also blamed the pressure of fame.

Last night, Welsh blonde Helen - who had the BB2 house in hysterics with catchphrases such as "I like blinking I do!" - told of life without Paul after going back to her roots by opening her own hairdressing salon in Bristol.

The Cwmbran crimper left her job at the Classy Cutz salon in Newport in the summer of 2001 to appear in the reality show, promising to "bring mayhem to the house and teach them all to dance".

Despite losing out to gay air steward Brian Dowling, Helen was the first to cash in, signing up as a beauty expert for satellite TV and releasing an aerobics video.

But this week, the scissor sister was back washing hair after turning her back on the celebrity circuit.

"Paul and I splitting was just one of those things. It lasted five years, but we wanted different things. We actually get on much better as friends," said Helen.

"It was quite upsetting when we split but I still speak to him. I'm glad we can still talk. I felt like the wicked witch because I was first to say something. But then Paul said to me, 'Would you want to marry me?' and I said, 'I don't think I would' and he said, 'Well, I don't want to marry you either'. And we laughed. We'll always be friends and Paul will still help me with long words."

Now, Helen is concentrating on her new beauty boutique Hair at Nails One.

"I can't say I've gone back to my roots as I've always done hairdressing. I have never given it up. I have been doing it since I was 16. I'm loving having my own business."

When not shampooing, Helen is glued to the current crop of BB housemates and last night blasted claims the show had "had its day".

"I don't think Britain will ever get tired of it, we're too nosy as a nation," said Helen.

And she got behind fellow Welshie, Glyn Wise, from Blaenau Ffestiniog.

"I think Glyn may win but I have a feeling it may be Nikki. She's hilarious to watch. I'm not keen on Imogen - she doesn't do anything. She is one-dimensional.

"But Glyn is great. He went in a boy and he will come out a man what with his tramlines and his tan. Do I fancy him? Nah, I'm enjoying being single."

Helen's top tip for the teen lifeguard is to get a good agent on his release, because his down-to-earth appeal could make him a fortune.

"My advice to him would be just enjoy it. But it all depends what he wants and if he is interested in fame," said Helen, who is now promoting a herbal slimming pill Zotrim.

"When I went in we were all a little bit naive but it's changed now. I never regret doing it. I had the best time but I wouldn't go back. I suppose it would be like going back to the same place on holiday."

Helen also laughed at suggestions she may get back with former Welsh love Big G who she was with before Big Brother.

"Nah, I wouldn't want to get back with him," she said. "You don't always want to know what your exes are up to, do you?"


Article at icWales (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/features/tm_objectid=17351901%26method=full%26siteid=50082% 26headline=-we-ll-always-be-friends---paul-will-still-help-me-with-long-words---name_page.html)

[Garnet]

I am soooo sory to hear the news

[Romantic Old Bird]

It does all sound so final now, doesn't it? I think I may be moving into stage 4 and 5 of dealing with loss and grief.

I've done denial

- it just couldn't be true
I've done anger and resentment
- why didn't they try harder?

I've done bargaining
- they need to be apart to see how they can't be apart

I think I'm in depression
- because I realise they really mean it and I think it is over

I don't think I've completely done acceptance though..
- it shouldn't have happened and I am not quite ready to move on........

tomorrow is their 5th anniversary.....surely there has to be a glimmer of hope for a nostalgic get-together, too much wine...

[Romantic Old Bird]

Not to mention..........

[rachb]

It does sound pretty final doen't it:sad:
She sounds as if she's moved on.A tiny bit of me thought there might be a bit of hope but her having her own business sounds as if she's too busy to miss him:sad:
I hope they at least speak to each other tomorrow and feel at least a little sad.
ROB I think I've done all the stages except the last one:sad:

[BusyBee]

Snap ROB and rach as you both very well know the last few weeks have been ones that we have all found hard to deal with. Oh how I would like to get them together and knock their heads together. All this about still being friends - dont they realise they really are each other's lobster.

I too have been through the same procees, but I'm not ready to give up on them yet.

I wonder if this salon was owned by a friend of Helen's who suggested she might open up a hair section in their nail salon. She has been seen in Clifton several times over the years.Snap ROB and rach as you both very well know the last few weeks have been ones that we have all found hard to deal with. Oh how I would like to get them together and knock their heads together. All this about still being friends - dont they realise they really are each other's lobster.

I too have been through the same procees, but I'm not ready to give up on them yet.

I wonder if this salon was owned by a friend of Helen's who suggested she might open up a hair section in their nail salon. She has been seen in Clifton several times over the years.

I'm having the day off tomorrow just couldnt face a day of dealing with divorces/separations when we should be all celebrating five years for those two together.

[Sticks]

My aquaintance History, (Works with Grimmy) gave us a heads up about this, but we were embargoed about saying anything until this had all unfolded.

This meant I was in the stage of fatalistic resignation, if there is such a stage.

[BusyBee]

and while we are talking about photos.

[bananarama]

Its over and that is a fact that cannot be denied. As for the reasons given!!! Well thats like believing in father xmas and I stopped doing that a long time ago... The truth is out there but we won't get it.....

[cc100]

It really is over isnt it?:sad:

Oh well, as sad as it is, we HAVE to accept it.................but we cant, can we?

Ive been thinking of this a lot over the past few days- if they dont want to be together, then they shouldnt be together and would be better off separate from each other.

I just hope they get the happiness with some other partners that they couldnt sustain with each other....................:rolleyes:

[BusyBee]

I saw Helen yesterday. She didnt look full of the joys of spring then, perhaps she was remembering what day it was?

[Romantic Old Bird]

I do so hope they had at least a telephone conversation. I am sure they were both thinking about it.

I know we were.

Yep, we're sad people in all senses of the word.

The truth is we miss them, and I hope they miss 'them' too.

It's been seven hours and fifteen days
Since you took your love away
I go out every night and sleep all day
Since you took your love away
Since you been gone I can do whatever I want
I can see whomever I choose
I can eat my dinner in a fancy restaurant
But nothing ...
I said nothing can take away these blues,
'Cause nothing compares ...
Nothing compares to you

It's been so lonely without you here
Like a bird without a song
Nothing can stop these lonely tears from falling
Tell me baby where did I go wrong?
I could put my arms around every boy I see
But they'd only remind me of you
went to the doctor guess what he told me
Guess what he told me?
He said, girl, you better have fun
No matter what you do
But he's a fool ...
'Cause nothing compares ...
Nothing compares to you ...

All the flowers that you planted, mama
In the back yard
All died when you went away
I know that living with you baby was sometimes hard
But I'm willing to give it another try
'Cause nothing compares ...
Nothing compares to you

[Mike]

Just thought i would add my input better late than never and say it is a huge shame that H & P are over, i never watched BB2 but from what you guys have said and other things i have read they were great together.

[Teacup]

I soooo enjoyed watching there relationship blossom in BB2, it's sad to hear things haven't worked out for them :sad:

I'd like to wish em both all the luck in the world for the future and thanks for the memories.

[cc100]

Originally posted by Romantic Old Bird
I do so hope they had at least a telephone conversation. I am sure they were both thinking about it.

I know we were.

Yep, we're sad people in all senses of the word.



I dont think we are sad to be upset over something of this nature- especially after following them for 5 years or so.

But in the sense of the word- yes, indeed we are very very sad.:sad:

[Lelia]

It is so very sad. One day Helen may regret leaving a gentleman like Paul. I feel the reason is Helen did'nt want to settle down and have babies but Paul did want a family while he was young enough to have fun with them as he is now 32.I have only recently found the site but have loved Paul & Helen since the begining. I remember my husband (who has since passed away) saying at the time that Helen may not stay with Paul long term, he felt at the time their ambitions were different Paul being such a loyal educated gentleman and that she may let her love of superficial things get in the way.However I had hoped love could concour all. Since I read the sad news I've been so upset and shed quite a few tears.

[AndyJK]

I never knew they split up until reading this thread. Well 5 years is a good run for a relationship these days which, don't forget, many of the cynics said would last only a few months at most.

And I doubt if they had got married it would have saved their relationship either, having read some of the replies saying it would have made a difference. It just wasn't to be.

[The_Hitman]

what a shimpy shumpy shame :flower:

[Sticks]

I was looking up a specific term as a test, and by my surprise this thread was generated but from here (http://79.99.43.198/forum/viewthread.php?tid=43833)

But for some reason that version of TiBB will not let me log in?

[Crest21]

Bad news, but at least there very honest about it, that's what I always liked about Helen and Paul good luck to them both. Who knows time apart might be a good thing, the pressure must have been bad for both of them. Bonzobaby come on, give people who liked em a break, your entitled to your opion you've had your gloat, but gloating about it over and over again looks more sad than the actual split.

Regards

Crest

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[Harry!]

Bad news, but at least there very honest about it, that's what I always liked about Helen and Paul good luck to them both. Who knows time apart might be a good thing, the pressure must have been bad for both of them. Bonzobaby come on, give people who liked em a break, your entitled to your opion you've had your gloat, but gloating about it over and over again looks more sad than the actual split.

Regards

Crest

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Whatever.

[Sticks]

This is old news so why bump the thread? :nono:

As it is one of the few where ROB contributed, maybe it should be allowed to drift back down to the depths

[AndyJK]

I don't understand your beef with people bumping threads Sticks. I like to read a bit of old news. And I dont see why it must remain dead because ROB contributed to it.

[eye sea]

It always seemed a fake romance anyway.

[AndyJK]

Im a cynic but I genuinely believe they did fall in love.