Strike Day /Riot Wednesday 30-Nov-11

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/25/heathrow-chief-gridlock-ukba-strike


Airports are warning of a slow down.


Do Not Travel on the Strike Day, sadly.

[Doogle]

Every school in my area is off except the girls grammar school near mine. :p

[MTVN]

I'm not sure I agree with this, I think they should acknowledge that as people are living longer it isn't really practical to sustain the current level of pensions and it's not a good time to strike either while the economy's in such a turbulent state. Public sector workers also need to realise that, despite the changes, their pensions are still a lot better than those of people in the private sector

[arista]

I'm not sure I agree with this, I think they should acknowledge that as people are living longer it isn't really practical to sustain the current level of pensions and it's not a good time to strike either while the economy's in such a turbulent state. Public sector workers also need to realise that, despite the changes, their pensions are still a lot better than those of people in the private sector



Yes well its a Small Union Vote Amount that started this
and Well before the Strike they make Posters and the like
Even though a Goods Deal is there.

[Jords]

No school for me :dance:

[Tom]

My sister is a teacher but she doesn't work Wednesdays anyway, shes gutted :joker:

[michael21]

wish arista would go on strike :laugh:

[Novo]

My sister is a teacher but she doesn't work Wednesdays anyway, shes gutted :joker:

thought Teachers work every weekday

[arista]

wish arista would go on strike


Strikes Stink and are Corrupt.

[Lee.]

Yeah, schools are striking here too :mad:

[arista]

No school for me :dance:


Party Time?

[Tom]

thought Teachers work every weekday

She works in a primary where every class has 2 teachers and the way her timetable falls, she isn't in on a Wednesday

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Nov/Week4/16118033.jpg

[Jarrod]

School's on strike on Wednesday too...

[Angus]

Why do public sector workers think they're a special case? They want to live in the real world with the rest of us and realise how well off they really are compared to the private sector. The damn unions are an anachronism in this day and age. Their unreasonable and selfish demands are one of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in today.

[Brother Leon]

Me being ****ing off on Wednesday either way. Couldn't be another day could it? lol *angry face*

[arista]

Why do public sector workers think they're a special case? They want to live in the real world with the rest of us and realise how well off they really are compared to the private sector. The damn unions are an anachronism in this day and age. Their unreasonable and selfish demands are one of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in today.



Bang On Right.

[Sticks]

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates thread

Secondly, I work in the public sector and I feel that this strike is more a political strike than a trade dispute. If the union barons are so concerned about our pensions, why not use their collective buying power to get a private pension company to devise a scheme they believe we should have and get us to opt in to that?

My current plan at the moment is to not fall for this political strike and go in as normal, assuming I am able.

[arista]

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates thread

Secondly, I work in the public sector and I feel that this strike is more a political strike than a trade dispute. If the union barons are so concerned about our pensions, why not use their collective buying power to get a private pension company to devise a scheme they believe we should have and get us to opt in to that?

My current plan at the moment is to not fall for this political strike and go in as normal, assuming I am able.


I post Strikes - Riots on General Chat
No one has ever said I should not.


I Agree Sticks this is all Political
thats why it Stinks

[Judas]

Apart from headlines, strikes are pretty much useless these days.

[arista]

Apart from headlines, strikes are pretty much useless these days.




Yes its Old Labour trying to Grow

[Joe.]

My school's off!

[Harry!]

Quite stupid really on Wednesday's I finish at 11am so really it doesn't effect me at all.

[Livia]

I don't know how else people can get the attention of the government other than strike. I'm not a leftie, but I find myself agreeing with the strike. People say that private sector workers are worse off than public sector workers with their big pensions, like the public sector is some well-off private club than only a few people can join. Anyone can apply for a job in the public sector, if it was THAT good, more people would apply. People's pensions that they've paid into, that they've been promised and that they've been expecting are going to change because the government needs to save money. There are other, more lucrative ways to get money into the coffers of the country: tax the rich. If you earn more, you should pay more. The government's argument is that it will discourage rich people from investing here. I say that's rubbish. They don't want to tax the super-rich because they're the people that fund the policital parties. Raise the upper tax limit, cut foreign aid, stop propping up the doomed Euro, drag the troops out of Afghanistan and get our tax money back from the fat bankers we've been subsidising for so long... and leave people's pensions alone.

[MTVN]

I don't know how else people can get the attention of the government other than strike. I'm not a leftie, but I find myself agreeing with the strike. People say that private sector workers are worse off than public sector workers with their big pensions, like the public sector is some well-off private club than only a few people can join. Anyone can apply for a job in the public sector, if it was THAT good, more people would apply. People's pensions that they've paid into, that they've been promised and that they've been expecting are going to change because the government needs to save money. There are other, more lucrative ways to get money into the coffers of the country: tax the rich. If you earn more, you should pay more. The government's argument is that it will discourage rich people from investing here. I say that's rubbish. They don't want to tax the super-rich because they're the people that fund the policital parties. Raise the upper tax limit, cut foreign aid, stop propping up the doomed Euro, drag the troops out of Afghanistan and get our tax money back from the fat bankers we've been subsidising for so long... and leave people's pensions alone.

See I'm quite Left-Wing by anyones standards and I disagree with it :laugh: Sure anyone can apply for a Public Sector job.. but they wouldn't be very smart to do that when the Tories are cutting away at the Public Sector and more and more jobs are being lost while they are looking to expand and increase Private Sector Employment. I think it's simply the case that the current pension arrangements are no longer sustainable with people living longer and the demographic balance increasingly tilting to the elderly. I'm not saying the Public Sector is a haven to work in but the pension conditions are favourable to those in the private sector, and even with the planned reforms that will still be the case, and things are pretty sh*tty for private sector workers as well

And it's also a very poor time to strike, we're on the brink of recession, embroiled in a Eurozone crisis and the nation being ground to halt is only going to make things worse. They need to be more realistic and pragmatic IMO

[joeysteele]

I don't know how else people can get the attention of the government other than strike. I'm not a leftie, but I find myself agreeing with the strike. People say that private sector workers are worse off than public sector workers with their big pensions, like the public sector is some well-off private club than only a few people can join. Anyone can apply for a job in the public sector, if it was THAT good, more people would apply. People's pensions that they've paid into, that they've been promised and that they've been expecting are going to change because the government needs to save money. There are other, more lucrative ways to get money into the coffers of the country: tax the rich. If you earn more, you should pay more. The government's argument is that it will discourage rich people from investing here. I say that's rubbish. They don't want to tax the super-rich because they're the people that fund the policital parties. Raise the upper tax limit, cut foreign aid, stop propping up the doomed Euro, drag the troops out of Afghanistan and get our tax money back from the fat bankers we've been subsidising for so long... and leave people's pensions alone.


Absolutely, a fair and totally reasonable post,I have nothing to add to it, I just agree with every word you say. Very well said Livia.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Nov/Week4/16118883.jpg

This Strike is Political
and It Stinks of corruption

[Sticks]

Why as a worker in the public sector I do not feel like supporting this

[arista]

Why as a worker in the public sector I do not feel like supporting this


Maybe you lack Choice.

[Sticks]

Well because of this strike day I am having to endure about three extra days of dental pain

[arista]

Well because of this strike day I am having to endure about three extra days of dental pain


thats not good.


Hope its fixed soon.

[Kerry]

No school here either

[Kerry]

Moved to Serious Debates

[Jackie]

My daughters off to we are going to spend the day wrapping up presents lol and also shes off with the sickness bug today as well.

[Omah]

Why do public sector workers think they're a special case? They want to live in the real world with the rest of us and realise how well off they really are compared to the private sector. The damn unions are an anachronism in this day and age. Their unreasonable and selfish demands are one of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in today.

There will 1% cap on public sector pay rises for two years after the end of current freeze next year.

The Office for Budget Responsibility has massively increased its estimate of the public sector jobs expected to go. Previously, the figure was put at around 400,000 - it's now 710,000.

So how many private sector bankers, entrepreneurs, doctors and MPs are in the same position, i.e. a pay freeze if they're lucky, the sack if they're not ?

Pay for the directors of the UK's top businesses rose 50% over the past year, a pay research company has said.

Incomes Data Services (IDS) said this took the average pay for a director of a FTSE 100 company to just short of £2.7m.

The rise, covering salary, benefits and bonuses, was higher than that recorded for the main person running the company, the chief executive.

Their pay rose by 43% over the year, according to the study.

:rolleyes:

[Omah]

C4 have just said the public sector workers will have taken AT LEAST a 16% pay cut in the lifetime of the Tory government.

I have no doubt that, over the same period, bankers and directors bonuses will have RISEN by 200% ..... :rolleyes:

[Sticks]

Well apparently the financial crises was not caused by those innocent bankers but by the over bloated fat cat public sector, which the Tories will show us the way in wiping out by privatising and outsourcing their functions overseas

:rolleyes:

[MTVN]

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-it-is-the-haves-going-on-strike-not-the-havenots-6269308.html

To judge from the opinion polls, the majority of the public as a whole do not support the strike; and indeed, although 75 per cent of those Unite members who voted in the official ballot chose to back the day of action, only 31 per cent of the membership actually turned out – which means that just 23 per cent of Mr McCluskey's members voted for strike action. That level of inertia does not suggest a level of passion to match McCluskey's fiery rhetoric against what he calls "Tory class warriors".

In fact, if there is a class divide within the employment market, the underdogs are definitely not the public sector. As the most recent official figures from the Office of National Statistics show, the median gross weekly pay in the private sector was £465, compared with £539 in the public sector; when employer pension contributions are added in, then the median private sector figure is £479, way below the public sector median of £615. That growing gulf is a reflection of the fact that defined benefit pension plans are all but extinct in the private sector, but still available across the board in the public sector.

It is true that the public sector traditionally expected better pensions, as a quid pro quo for the fact that pay rates were lower than jobs of equivalent responsibility in the private sector. But now (because of Gordon Brown) the gap in basic pay is the other way around. So the fact that the state's employees get an effective bonus of about 30 per cent of their salaries in the form of employer pension contributions (paid for by all taxpayers, including those with no employer pension provision whatever) is objectionable on precisely the grounds that Mr McCluskey seeks to defend his members' privileges: inequity and unfairness.

[Omah]

Len McCluskey draws a different contrast: he argues that his strikers are "victims of the elite policy of taking money from the taxpayer to give it to the bankers".

Yeah, the only winners of Tory fiscal policy are the already-rich - billions of pounds worth of business is coming their way and and no Conservative government is going to begrudge them their skim off the top ..... :rolleyes:

[arista]

Punks have got on a Hampton House Roof in Haymarket
a building of a Private Company.
They used Flares to distract Police.
Criminals Entered that Building

The Punks being Kicked Out rushed to hide there faces
as from camera films got in.

200 approx amount


UK Uncut are the Punks on there
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15927156/resources/thumbs/tesco-tax-dodgers.gif
from there site
http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/resources


Police are now blocking others from getting near that area.


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[Brother Leon]

To think it has been more than a year since I was marching in Central for the student protests.


Crazy.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00CC9500000578-306_964x628.jpg

A Punk Arrested

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00E28800000578-862_470x423.jpg

A Punk asking for trouble


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00C9BE00000578-393_964x574.jpg

[MTVN]

The title's a bit misleading, there was hardly a riot

[arista]

The title's a bit misleading, there was hardly a riot

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00BE3A00000578-582_964x570.jpg


It was a Riot for a time
Shown on ITV1 London News
SkyNewsHD
BBC London News


200 entered the building
thats a Riot

[MTVN]

Well it wasn't a very good one :hmph:

[arista]

Well it wasn't a very good one :hmph:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00CF8000000578-831_964x581.jpg

Thats due to 5,000 Police on Duty.
Making it a brief Riot.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Nov/Week4/16121319.jpg

Thursdays Star

[Omah]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/30/article-2068180-0F00BE3A00000578-582_964x570.jpg


It was a Riot for a time
Shown on ITV1 London News
SkyNewsHD
BBC London News


200 entered the building
thats a Riot

Well it wasn't a very good one :hmph:

:joker: