are you religious?

[fruit_cake]

I think I am it does seem to answer a lot of questions about life

[InOne]

I used to be, but now I'm Atheist. Will go to mass on special occasions though

[arista]

I think I am it does seem to answer a lot of questions about life



No


Make Churchs into Discos



There Is No God - Fact

[arista]

I used to be, but now I'm Atheist. Will go to mass on special occasions though


Super Wise.



Feel The Force

[fruit_cake]

No


Make Churchs into Discos



There Is No God - Fact

oh :bawling:

[Lee.]

No, I am atheist.

I think everyone is entitled to have their beliefs though, and as long as they don't shove their religion down other people's throats, then they can believe in whatever god they please :)

I do wonder how people can read the bible and believe it all...

[fruit_cake]

I don't normally go to church or anything

[Pyramid*]

No


Make Churchs into Discos



There Is No God - Fact

No for me too

____________________________

LOL......

You take me back to when that happened when I was a kid, when there were Discos in the Church hall for the young 'uns.

(Does that still happen?)

[Pyramid*]

No, I am atheist.

I think everyone is entitled to have their beliefs though, and as long as they don't shove their religion down other people's throats, then they can believe in whatever god they please :)

I do wonder how people can read the bible and believe it all...



I'm hedging my bets and am agnostic. (seriously! Just covering all bases, just in case! :D)

[InOne]

I'm hedging my bets and am agnostic. (seriously! Just covering all bases, just in case! :D)

With which God though? ;)

[fruit_cake]

if you don't love god you're not going to end up in the kingdom of heaven :hmph:

[Lee.]

if you don't love god you're not going to end up in the kingdom of heaven :hmph:
I don't believe in heaven and hell. To me a good person is someone who has a good heart, good morals and doesn't wish bad on others.. worshipping some god dies not (imo) make people good.

[Pyramid*]

With which God though? ;)

I'm not fussy, but preferably one that likes hot climates, that would be my preference if required!

if you don't love god you're not going to end up in the kingdom of heaven :hmph:

Who want to be bobbing along on a cloud for the rest of eternity, listening to those harps playing? It would drive you round the bend!

[InOne]

God usually doesn't like fence sitters I'm afraid.

[Pyramid*]

I don't believe in heaven and hell. To me a good person is someone who has a good heart, good morals and doesn't wish bad on others.. worshipping some god dies not (imo) make people good.

Looks at Eric.

Looks at Santa's Slut.

Has bad thoughts.......

Goes to Hell.

:devil:

[Pyramid*]

God usually doesn't like fence sitters I'm afraid.

God is all forgiving.:nono: Pfft...shows how much you know.

[fruit_cake]

God usually doesn't like fence sitters I'm afraid.

:angel:

[InOne]

God is all forgiving.:nono: Pfft...shows how much you know.

I think you need to read the Bible if you think that's true :idc: Hardly forgiving

[Roy Mars III]

yes

[Pyramid*]

I think you need to read the Bible if you think that's true :idc: Hardly forgiving

so you saying God lies? Or those that represent God, that they lie and they use his name in vain?

Better tell all those who repent their sins then, go to Confession and suchlike: let them know they are all wasting their time.

:D

[InOne]

so you saying God lies? Or those that represent God, that they lie and they use his name in vain?

Better tell all those who repent their sins then, go to Confession and suchlike: let them know they are all wasting their time.

:D

The Bible is full of contradictions and some people use religion for their own gain. That's about it.

[Pyramid*]

The Bible is full of contradictions and some people use religion for their own gain. That's about it.

Effectively then, it's a whole waste of time really if there is no real common ground then?

Guess you just blew the OP's thread to smithereens then seeing as it matters not a jot then!!!

[InOne]

Effectively then, it's a whole waste of time really if there is no real common ground then?

Guess you just blew the OP's thread to smithereens then seeing as it matters not a jot then!!!

It's up to other people what they get from God and Religion, those are my views. I'm not enforcing them ^_^

[Pyramid*]

It's up to other people what they get from God and Religion, those are my views. I'm not enforcing them ^_^

Oh I know, and like you, I'm also expressing my views on your views.

[Roy Mars III]

Anyone who thinks the Christian God is full with love and forgiving have not read the Bible. As even the Bible says, God is a jealous God

[REye]

Not at all. I really feel its just a path that people wish to follow to self validate themselves. Believe there is life after death and feel someone is on their side. It's very comforting to feel this but I don't think any of its true. Just what people want to believe to make them feel like there is some meaning to life. A lot of religious folk will follow religion but bend it to their own rules. I find it bewilding that some people lead their life through a bible or an existence that isn't even rule. A lot of issues stem from religion.

[InOne]

Oh I know, and like you, I'm also expressing my views on your views.

Cool.

[Pyramid*]

Anyone who thinks the Christian God is full with love and forgiving have not read the Bible. As even the Bible says, God is a jealous God

So who therefore are we to believe? what is in the bible or what those who represent God on this earth, preach?

What therefore is the point of repenting / going to confession / asking for sins to be forgiven then?

The bible says one thing (or rather many things), but that's not the message given out by those who spread the Lord's word here on earth is it?

[InOne]

There isn't any point in repenting seen as Jesus is going to come back and kill all the sinners anyway.

[Vicky.]

God is all forgiving.:nono: Pfft...shows how much you know.

In that case, all non-believers would go to heaven also. As he/she/it would forgive people for not seeing the light :laugh:

As would sinners...they would be forgave too :D

[Pyramid*]

There isn't any point in repenting seen as Jesus is going to come back and kill all the sinners anyway.

Oh Noooooooooessss ....so Jesus is plotting mass murder!! :shocked::shocked:

He really needs the services of Max Clifford .....he's very good on the PR side of things.

[Pyramid*]

In that case, all non-believers would go to heaven also. As he/she/it would forgive people for not seeing the light :laugh:

As would sinners...they would be forgave too :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....... I'm not falling for that one. :nono: We've already established that he's a liar, and there's talk of mass killings as well. :D

I'm sticking with Satan, at least I know where I stand with him! :D

[fruit_cake]

I'm sticking with Satan, at least I know where I stand with him! :D

so why did you just say you were 'hedging your bets' and 'covering all bases'?

[InOne]

It has already been established in another thread that Pixie Lott rules the universe.

[Pyramid*]

so why did you just say you were 'hedging your bets' and 'covering all bases'?

Errr.....because Satan is considered by some to be the mighty one that they chose to worship - ie: because to Satanists, Satan is his own God. :tongue:

[fruit_cake]

Errr.....because Satan is considered by some to be the mighty one that they chose to worship - ie: because to Satanists, Satan is his own God. :tongue:

you are a satan worshipper then? :conf:

[Pyramid*]

It has already been established in another thread that Pixie Lott rules the universe.


Aha....but there is no proof that there is one infinite universe - so she's not in charge of the this one. Doesn't count.

[Pyramid*]

you are a satan worshipper then? :conf:

It's called banter ....... :idc:

[InOne]

Aha....but there is no proof that there is one infinite universe - so she's not in charge of the this one. Doesn't count.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/41519145/Pixie+Lott+png.png

That is all the proof you need

[fruit_cake]

It's called banter ....... :idc:

it's banter that you're a satan worshipper? I'd describe it more as 'disturbing'

[Pyramid*]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/41519145/Pixie+Lott+png.png

That is all the proof you need

Pretty looking lady - and I love her belt.

But she's not carrying a bible, levitating, or miracle making (unless that's in respect of her having some success!!!). Disnae count.

[InOne]

Pretty looking lady - and I love her belt.

But she's not carrying a bible, levitating, or miracle making (unless that's in respect of her having some success!!!). Disnae count.

Oh she does all that. You just have to BELIEVE. I think a skim through the shrine will convert you

[Pyramid*]

it's banter that you're a satan worshipper? I'd describe it more as 'disturbing'

I didn't say I was a Satan Worshipper - but you just did. I'd describe you suggesting such, as 'disturbing'.

You might want to think about lightening up just a wee bit.

If you wanted a very serious debate on God and his existence, perhaps you should have raised your thread in the Serious Debate side of the forum instead of General Chat.

[Pyramid*]

Oh she does all that. You just have to BELIEVE. I think a skim through the shrine will convert you

Mmmmm......... would have to give that one some very serious thought.

Okay. I thought.

Nope, it didn't work. :bawling: Her mystical powers failed on me. :(

[InOne]

Heathen :bored:

[Pyramid*]

Heathen :bored:

Guily as charged M'Lud.

[Pyramid*]

Heathen :bored:

Guilty as charged M'Lud.

[fruit_cake]

I didn't say I was a Satan Worshipper - but you just did. I'd describe you suggesting such, as 'disturbing'.

You might want to think about lightening up just a wee bit.

If you wanted a very serious debate on God and his existence, perhaps you should have raised your thread in the Serious Debate side of the forum instead of General Chat.

I didn't want a debate, I was just asking if other people were religious. That's why the title of this thread is 'Are you religious?'

[Pyramid*]

I didn't want a debate, I was just asking if other people were religious. That's why the title of this thread is 'Are you religious?'

And people are replying..... mostly with humour thrown in..... seeing as you didn't want a debate, serious or otherwise.

[fruit_cake]

you make me want to scream

[Josy]

No I'm not religious but I would never judge any one who is.

I believe that it was created to try to control people, and once it dies out something else will take it's place.

[Pyramid*]

you make me want to scream

Don't see why........ it's been a very humorous thread.

[Pyramid*]

No I'm not religious but I would never judge any one who is.

I believe that it was created to try to control people, and once it dies out something else will take it's place.

To an extent: me either thoug I can't abide those that would be termed 'bible thumpers' and want to ram their own religion/beliefs down others necks).

The only thing I always say to my mates who are religious, go to Chapel and do believe is that they have something I don't .... belief.

[Bollo]

No I'm not religious but I would never judge any one who is.

I believe that it was created to try to control people, and once it dies out something else will take it's place.

I kind of agree with this, the big bang theory and evolution just seem more logical to me, but to religious people it's probably the other way round.

I am not sure about it dying out soon though, people will always want to believe in a higher power /afterlife / karma etc, it helps a lot of people get through the daily grind.

I am not against religious people in general , but many wars have been fought in the name of religion which I don't understand

[Shaun]

I see people voted for fruit_cake in most loved for her dazzling intellect and original topics

[arista]

it's banter that you're a satan worshipper? I'd describe it more as 'disturbing'



There is NO God - Utter Fact


There is no Satan


Although Sunday Night on Ch4HD 11:50PM
is the 1999 South Park Movie
which has a Satan who like it up the bum by Saddam.

[fruit_cake]

I see people voted for fruit_cake in most loved for her dazzling intellect and original topics

hmph well are you religious Shaun?

[fruit_cake]

There is NO God - Utter Fact


There is no Satan



it's not a fact, it's an opinion :hmph:

[Pyramid*]

There is NO God - Utter Fact


There is no Satan


Although Sunday Night on Ch4HD 11:50PM
is the 1999 South Park Movie
which has a Satan who like it up the bum by Saddam.

:o


:devil:

[Jordan.]

Not at all.

Scientific facts > bull**** stories.

[Doogle]

I haven't a clue what to believe. I don't think I want to believe anything strictly. I'm quite open-minded with it, I'll hear one theory and think "oh yeah that's quite a good idea" but then hear another view which is very different and think about that too.

[King Gizzard]

Yes, christian, but not strict

[Niamh.]

I don't believe in heaven and hell. To me a good person is someone who has a good heart, good morals and doesn't wish bad on others.. worshipping some god dies not (imo) make people good.

Yeah, this about sums it up for me too

[GypsyGoth]

I've got no religion, and I don't think of myself as religious at all. I don't pray for things or believe in any of the gods.

Having said that I do find religions and their rituals interesting. And for the most part I try not to offend others who worship stuff.

I guess I'm agnostic.

[Sticks]

Hmm

xwtdhWltSIg

and

8-3jf3Vj850

[Pyramid*]

Hmm

xwtdhWltSIg

and

8-3jf3Vj850

Good God (:hugesmile:)..... those are a blast from the past Sticks, loved both bands & songs.

[Livia]

I'm Jewish, my faith is inherent; although I am not devout and frequently do things that I know I'm not supposed to do. I don't have any interest in convincing people that my particular faith is right and they're wrong because what you believe is your own personal business. I'm also fascinated with science and don't believe that God and science are exclusive of one another.

[Maia]

Yes, christian, but not strict

This.

[Kazanne]

I think I am it does seem to answer a lot of questions about life

Am I religious? yes

[Kazanne]

Good God (:hugesmile:)..... those are a blast from the past Sticks, loved both bands & songs.

REM one of the best bands ever Pyramid,imo of course.

[Pyramid*]

REM one of the best bands ever Pyramid,imo of course.

After listening to that, I'll need to dig out my old REM CDs..... they are 'up there' Kaz, I agree.

[Bollo]

Wish I still Had Monster & Automatic For the people, I lost all my REM cd's years ago but luckily they just bought out a best of one which i bought last week.. it takes me back

[LemonJam]

I was bought up in a religious family but always had doubts around age 11. My family don't actually know that I don't believe in God because it'd probably kill them. :\ I still think that a religious background (within reason) is good for upbringing of a child just through the (general) messages it gives.

[Kazanne]

There IS a GOD,I've seen him and he aint no Pixie!!!!:joker::joker::joker:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/kazanne/293634_253752534663222_228078970563912_705444_7369 23436_n.jpg

[MTVN]

There's a few things that have made me pretty sure that the Christian God doesn't exist:
- He supposedly gave us free will and yet also everything is preordained and God knows how our entire life will go.. those two things seem contradictory to me
- He allows atrocities to happen, fair enough you could use the free will argument and say he gives everyone a choice, but if he has the power to intervene to stop murders/genocide/etc. and refuses to, then what kind of a God is that?
- Natural disasters, I see no reason why a supposedly perfect being would create an imperfect world
- If we have to believe in God to go to heaven, then why did he not instil this knowledge of God into every human being, surely it's not fair to those who lived completely ignorant of Him to go to Hell because they didn't believe in something that was unknown to them..
- A lot of the Bible is just so contradictory
- Christians have had to constantly change their beliefs over time, as the more we understand about our existence the more it undermines what is written in the Bible. A few hundred years ago it was just fact that the World was made in 6 days, and everyone believed in Creationism, as it became clear this probably wasn't true then suddenly the Church no longer preaches these things, and instead completely changes their belief system and their teachings
- I just don't think it's fair that someone could be damned to eternal suffering just because they weren't sure of the existence of God, while someone who had lead a terrible life would go to Heaven simply if they told Jesus they were sorry
- So much of Christianity has just been borrowed from other faiths and religions


There are probably similar criticisms you can make of other Religions, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism etc. etc. but I don't really know those very well. I think that most evidence would point to there not being a God, and I think it's more likely we're just the result of a scientific accident or whatever, but then there's still so much we don't understand about the Universe and our existence so I wouldn't rule out the prospect of a higher being, but I don't think it is to be found in any of the conventional religions

[Niall]

I'm kinda religious. If I had to label what religion I am it'd probably be Catholic but since I disagree with so many key concepts of Catholicism I guess its better for me just to call myself a Christian.

I believe that there is a God and that after we die, there's a Heaven and a sort of extended purgatory instead of Hell (if a God is all-loving, why would he eternally damn his creations to suffer?). I don't believe in the whole creationism crap, but rather that God guided the whole evolution thing.

As for actually practising religion, I see no point in going to Church - why should I have to go to a special building once a week to see God, when he's supposedly everywhere? So I just pray and stuff when I feel like it or when I feel that I need to. Idk. I just think Church is a bit pointless and I've always found it incredibly dull..

[Callum]

I am Catholic but I don't go to Church every week. I've been a few times this year and make sure I go at least once a year but I don't feel the need to go every week. I used to go every Sunday when I was little but stopped going as regular as I got older. I do believe that there is some sort of God out there and that there is a Heaven. It's sort of comforting to think that there is a place we go to when we die. Don't believe there is a Hell and don't believe some of the bibles scripture i.e. world was made in 6 days by God, Noah's Ark, Jesus' miracles (walking on water, curing the leper)etc. I wouldn't say I was extremely religious, neither are my family but I do believe in God and am Catholic.

[joeysteele]

I keep an open mind on most things, I look around me and when I see life as it is, when you think of the planning you have to do for simple events then I do find it hard to believe all life is a pure accident.

My family are and we all were brought up Catholic, however I just don't know is the answer, I believe something started something,what all these somethings are is a mystery and even scientists cannot agree.

The Bible is a book written by men, much of it is likely their own interpetration of events for the time,however again likely not all is totally incorrect or without relevance.

From being 11 and I challenged a Nun on this one who was giving us a talk,as to if you are bad and offend God then you will go to hell to be tormented by the devil, now please, come on,if we take the Bible as right, the devil was thrown out of heaven, cast aside completely, if there was such a place as hell,then for goodness sake what on earth would the devil be tormenting anyone for if they had sinned against or offended God, such people would be heroes to the devil.

I feel elements of creation may be far more plausible if we didn't have these extreme religious slants made by all churches hierarchy and also the actions of instilling fear in followers rather than just 'being there' for people.

[MTVN]

From being 11 and I challenged a Nun on this one who was giving us a talk,as to if you are bad and offend God then you will go to hell to be tormented by the devil, now please, come on,if we take the Bible as right, the devil was thrown out of heaven, cast aside completely, if there was such a place as hell,then for goodness sake what on earth would the devil be tormenting anyone for if they had sinned against or offended God, such people would be heroes to the devil.


That's a good point, never thought of that before :laugh:

[Kerry]

No, but I have my own personal beliefs

[joeysteele]

That's a good point, never thought of that before :laugh:

I am not joking but I got a whack across the head with rosary beads for saying that.
They were hoping to encourage Boys approaching their teens to consider a vocation to the Priesthood, needless to say, I didn't explore that avenue after that and I very much doubt this Nun in particular would have even wanted me to.

[MTVN]

I am not joking but I got a whack across the head with rosary beads for saying that.
They were hoping to encourage Boys approaching their teens to consider a vocation to the Priesthood, needless to say, I didn't explore that avenue after that and I very much doubt this Nun in particular would have even wanted me to.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

There's a few things that have made me pretty sure that the Christian God doesn't exist:

- He supposedly gave us free will and yet also everything is preordained and God knows how our entire life will go.. those two things seem contradictory to me

- He allows atrocities to happen, fair enough you could use the free will argument and say he gives everyone a choice, but if he has the power to intervene to stop murders/genocide/etc. and refuses to, then what kind of a God is that?

- Natural disasters, I see no reason why a supposedly perfect being would create an imperfect world

- If we have to believe in God to go to heaven, then why did he not instil this knowledge of God into every human being, surely it's not fair to those who lived completely ignorant of Him to go to Hell because they didn't believe in something that was unknown to them..

- A lot of the Bible is just so contradictory

- Christians have had to constantly change their beliefs over time, as the more we understand about our existence the more it undermines what is written in the Bible. A few hundred years ago it was just fact that the World was made in 6 days, and everyone believed in Creationism, as it became clear this probably wasn't true then suddenly the Church no longer preaches these things, and instead completely changes their belief system and their teachings

- I just don't think it's fair that someone could be damned to eternal suffering just because they weren't sure of the existence of God, while someone who had lead a terrible life would go to Heaven simply if they told Jesus they were sorry

- So much of Christianity has just been borrowed from other faiths and religions


There are probably similar criticisms you can make of other Religions, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism etc. etc. but I don't really know those very well. I think that most evidence would point to there not being a God, and I think it's more likely we're just the result of a scientific accident or whatever, but then there's still so much we don't understand about the Universe and our existence so I wouldn't rule out the prospect of a higher being, but I don't think it is to be found in any of the conventional religions


The points you've posted here, are in the main, the very reasons I have no religious belief.

Add to that: the fact that some of the nicest, caring, loving people who would never hurt a fly: get the very worst of all that life has to throw and them - always....... yet there are some who are the very worst type of human beings; who sail through life.

You just have to think of the horrific horror tales of cruelty (from tiny babies, right through to vicious acts on senior citizen, animals being cooked alive in m'waves....). What type of God allow any living creature to suffer such hell?

[Pyramid*]

I am not joking but I got a whack across the head with rosary beads for saying that.
They were hoping to encourage Boys approaching their teens to consider a vocation to the Priesthood, needless to say, I didn't explore that avenue after that and I very much doubt this Nun in particular would have even wanted me to.


I know yours is a humorous wee story, but grrrr... don't even start me on Catholic priests and nuns and some of the behaviours that we hear about all too often. Guaranteed to make my blood boil - and these are the very ones preaching God's word.:mad:

*note: I was raised as a Catholic and opted out when I started to have a good think about all of the above*

[Marc]

I'm nothing.

[GypsyGoth]

I'm nothing.

Are you agnostic or atheist?

[fruit_cake]

I don't think it's complicated either you believe or you don't imo

[MTVN]

I don't think it's complicated either you believe or you don't imo

Believe in what? If you say God then you have to answer which God, why that God, and what even is God. And even if you can define that then you're still left with numerous other questions. Surely all the religious conflicts and disagreements that have happened throughout history and are still happening today show that it is a complicated question.

[InOne]

Fence sitters just aren't deep enough thinkers :idc:

[Sam:)]

I am Catholic but I don't go to Church every week. I've been a few times this year and make sure I go at least once a year but I don't feel the need to go every week. I used to go every Sunday when I was little but stopped going as regular as I got older. I do believe that there is some sort of God out there and that there is a Heaven. It's sort of comforting to think that there is a place we go to when we die. Don't believe there is a Hell and don't believe some of the bibles scripture i.e. world was made in 6 days by God, Noah's Ark, Jesus' miracles (walking on water, curing the leper)etc. I wouldn't say I was extremely religious, neither are my family but I do believe in God and am Catholic.

This is basically me.
It comforts me to think that eventually I will see my grandad again. I like to think there is something out there greater than us

[Pyramid*]

Fence sitters just aren't deep enough thinkers :idc:

:devil:

I don't think it's complicated either you believe or you don't imo

Judging by Fruitcakes reply above: she's doesn't anyone needs to be a deep enough thinker: fence sitters or not.

[GypsyGoth]

I'm just curious, but for people who believe in heaven, do animals go there too when they die?

[Pyramid*]

I'm just curious, but for people who believe in heaven, do animals go there too when they die?


Good question GG.

I'm curious as well now.

[InOne]

:devil:



Judging by Fruitcakes reply above: she's doesn't anyone needs to be a deep enough thinker: fence sitters or not.

But at least she has thought it through and come to a conclusion..

[InOne]

No. Humans are meant to be above Animals.

[Pyramid*]

I think I am it does seem to answer a lot of questions about life

I don't think it's complicated either you believe or you don't imo


Hang about. Your opening post said "I think I am ....it does seem'.

That isn't what you're now saying....now you are saying either you believe, or you don't, yet in your first post - you said 'I think I am'. That means you aren't so sure yourself asto whether you are religious or not.


confused.com

[Pyramid*]

But at least she has thought it through and come to a conclusion..

Really, that's quick a fairly quick decision to arrive at, in the space of merely a few hours; between someone not being too sure themselves and then deciding that it's a simple yes or no.

[Pyramid*]

No. Humans are meant to be above Animals.

Does it say that in the bible?

Doesn't it say that we are all God's creatures?

[InOne]

Does it say that in the bible?

Doesn't it say that we are all God's creatures?

It says man rules over the animals

[Marc]

I don't think it's complicated either you believe or you don't imo

I don't believe in God and I don't believe there are such things as heaven or hell.

Fence sitters just aren't deep enough thinkers :idc:

I choose not to give it much thought because I don't see it at something that I regard as part of who I am.

[InOne]

Really, that's quick a fairly quick decision to arrive at, in the space of merely a few hours; between someone not being too sure themselves and then deciding that it's a simple yes or no.

That's plenty of time

[MTVN]

Does it say that in the bible?

Doesn't it say that we are all God's creatures?

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:26

[Callum]

I'm just curious, but for people who believe in heaven, do animals go there too when they die?

I believe they do. I know not everyone does but I like to think that they do.

[InOne]

*knew he was right*

:D

[GypsyGoth]

I believe they do. I know not everyone does but I like to think that they do.

Thanks for answering.

[Benjamin]

I don't really know what I am. I believe that something created everything, but a part of me also believes someone created it. I have nothing against people who are religious though, we all have to believe in something, it's what gives us hope.

[Benjamin]

From being 11 and I challenged a Nun on this one who was giving us a talk,as to if you are bad and offend God then you will go to hell to be tormented by the devil, now please, come on,if we take the Bible as right, the devil was thrown out of heaven, cast aside completely, if there was such a place as hell,then for goodness sake what on earth would the devil be tormenting anyone for if they had sinned against or offended God, such people would be heroes to the devil.


I like that thought process of yours. I have never looked at it in that perspective.

[GypsyGoth]

There was a very good documentary about the bible a few months ago bbc2, I thought this was one of the best eps of it

VtEsQT5M2IQ

[Tom4784]

I like to believe there's something more after this life but I'm not rleigious in the slightest.

[Pyramid*]

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:26

*knew he was right*

:D

The question was however

I'm just curious, but for people who believe in heaven, do animals go there too when they die?



Where does that say exactly that animals don't go to Heaven when they die?

Oh....it doesn't.

*Nah nah nah nah nah*

:D

[InOne]

No. Humans are meant to be above Animals.

Does it say that in the bible?

Doesn't it say that we are all God's creatures?

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:26

*knew he was right*

:D

You asked a Q and got it answered. Nothing else to it

[MTVN]

There was a very good documentary about the bible a few months ago bbc2, I thought this was one of the best eps of it

VtEsQT5M2IQ

That looks quite interesting, might watch it later

I saw a good film the other day as well called Agora about Roman Egypt where Christianity had only just been allowed to be legal and there was loads of conflict with the Pagans until they driven out, then that just got replaced with conflict between Christians and Jews which also ended with the Christians again violently wrestling power from them. I think that's one of the problems with organised religion, all of them, there's a constant power struggle going on for supremacy, so that they can exert more influence and hold a more powerful presence in the world

[InOne]

The question was however




Where does that say exactly that animals don't go to Heaven when they die?

Oh....it doesn't.

*Nah nah nah nah nah*

:D

If you use logical thought, it will come ;)

[Pyramid*]

Well if TAPS and GHI are anything to go by; when we die, most of us hang around in buildings, spending our time freaking folk out with our ghostly apparitions, random footsteps, touching others (!!!) and in some cases, move the furniture around.

I vote for that.

[Pyramid*]

If you use logical thought, it will come ;)

I did. My logic is 100% infallible I will have you know. :hmph:

My logic tells me that this thread was (quite possibly) nothing more than a bit of flaming............... and flaming good fun it has been. ;)

[GypsyGoth]

That looks quite interesting, might watch it later

I saw a good film the other day as well called Agora about Roman Egypt where Christianity had only just been allowed to be legal and there was loads of conflict with the Pagans until they driven out, then that just got replaced with conflict between Christians and Jews which also ended with the Christians again violently wrestling power from them. I think that's one of the problems with organised religion, all of them, there's a constant power struggle going on for supremacy, so that they can exert more influence and hold a more powerful presence in the world

Yep, it goes into the fact that there are other gods mentioned in the bible, and looks at evidence that one of them was god's wife.

And what you say about the major religions power struggle is always something that makes me think they are fake religions. Like I mean if there was a true religion we would all gravitate towards it, since it seems like these god characters want to be worshipped by us.

[Marsh.]

I think you need to read the Bible if you think that's true :idc: Hardly forgiving

Actually if you have read the bible you'd know that it says God can forgive anything as long as there is genuine sorrow and regret in your heart. :tongue:

No crocodile tears.

[Pyramid*]

Actually if you have read the bible you'd know that it says God can forgive anything as long as there is genuine sorrow and regret in your heart. :tongue:

No crocodile tears.

:dance2::dance2:

[GypsyGoth]

Oh wow Pyra, your kitty got a santa hat :laugh: :love:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

im very spiritual idk about religious i actually think one of my dogs could be jesus reincarnated coz he has these marks on his back where his fur changed color and they look just like wings so i think he is either jesus or an angel

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

that cat is annoying btw

[Pyramid*]

You asked a Q and got it answered. Nothing else to it

Oh..what started that off again? Ahhhh...that will have been GG's question about animals going to Heaven too.
:whistle:

You've still not proven that they don't. :)

[Pyramid*]

Oh wow Pyra, your kitty got a santa hat :laugh: :love:


I take no credit....all Josy's handiwork - and damn fine it is too. Even the fact that she left an ear sticking up. Fab isn't it! :spin:

[Marsh.]

ft8mZc8JOjo

That was a demon Lola!!!

[Pyramid*]

that cat is annoying btw

So is your big fat ugly woman, btw with her boobs at waist level.

[InOne]

Actually if you have read the bible you'd know that it says God can forgive anything as long as there is genuine sorrow and regret in your heart. :tongue:

No crocodile tears.

God says a lot of things, most which contradict in there at one point or another. I doubt that is an exception.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

atleast she will be getting into heaven

[Pyramid*]

ft8mZc8JOjo

That was a demon Lola!!!

:D

"Get on your knees and pray for forgiveness"

"That's what Jesus asked me to do....." :devil:

[Marsh.]

God says a lot of things, most which contradict in there at one point or another. I doubt that is an exception.

Contradict? Such as?

And the bible is made up of fables and parables to give examples of how to live your life not to be taken as literal events. Other than Jesus' life of course as that is historical fact.

[Pyramid*]

atleast she will be getting into heaven

There wouldn't be much room left for anyone else - so she's welcome to it.

Is the Big Man going to get a specially reinforced cloud for her to splay her flab all over?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

There wouldn't be much room left for anyone else - so she's welcome to it.

Is the Big Man going to get a specially reinforced cloud for her to splay her flab all over?

:joker::joker::joker:

[InOne]

Contradict? Such as?

And the bible is made up of fables and parables to give examples of how to live your life not to be taken as literal events. Other than Jesus' life of course as that is historical fact.

Tell that to some Christians. They all perceive it different. And the God of NT is very different to the God of the OT.

[Pyramid*]

Tell that to some Christians. They all perceive it different. And the God of NT is very different to the God of the OT.

Why have an OT and a NT?........

Didn't they like the original version?

[Marsh.]

OT and NT? Are these upgrades?

[Pyramid*]

OT and NT? Are these upgrades?

*Demands holograms version*

[Sticks]

The Old Testament covers from the beginning to the last of the prophets before the 400 years of silence

The New Testament covers the life of Christ and the beginning of the church plus letters from apostles and others

The old Testament had prophecies that would later be fulfilled in the New Testament, a prominent on being found in Isaiah 53

The main problem over the centuries has been how Christianity was warped, twisted and misrepresented by a corrupt Roman Catholic church leadership. (I say the leadership as some of those in the lower ranks were more decent and were lied to as well by the leadership) Critics of Christianity as a whole ignore the fact that also through the centuries there were a number of people who did not toe the RC line and we got movements like the reformation and the restoration movements.

In the 18th and 19th century there was a good tradition of Dissenters who did not follow either the Roman church or the Anglican one set up by Henry VIII

Now getting back to the base question underlying things here, the best way to learn about God, IMHO is not by studying dusty dry books on theology, but by studying the sciences. In my field, Physics, We have the Anthropic Cosmological Principal, (Which is not the same as the discredited Intelligent Design), the irony of this is that the ACP was derived by atheists, which according to them shows that the universe is designed for man.

As for evil pain and suffering, a lot of that has been caused by man exercising his free will and making wrong choices. Some of these wrong choices may even have been made by people long dead, but their effects still follow on and affect us to this day.

[Sticks]

The Old Testament covers from the beginning to the last of the prophets before the 400 years of silence

The New Testament covers the life of Christ and the beginning of the church plus letters from apostles and others

The old Testament had prophecies that would later be fulfilled in the New Testament, a prominent on being found in Isaiah 53

The main problem over the centuries has been how Christianity was warped, twisted and misrepresented by a corrupt Roman Catholic church leadership. (I say the leadership as some of those in the lower ranks were more decent and were lied to as well by the leadership) Critics of Christianity as a whole ignore the fact that also through the centuries there were a number of people who did not toe the RC line and we got movements like the reformation and the restoration movements.

In the 18th and 19th century there was a good tradition of Dissenters who did not follow either the Roman church or the Anglican one set up by Henry VIII

Now getting back to the base question underlying things here, the best way to learn about God, IMHO is not by studying dusty dry books on theology, but by studying the sciences. In my field, Physics, We have the Anthropic Cosmological Principal, (Which is not the same as the discredited Intelligent Design), the irony of this is that the ACP was derived by atheists, which according to them shows that the universe is designed for man.

As for evil pain and suffering, a lot of that has been caused by man exercising his free will and making wrong choices. Some of these wrong choices may even have been made by people long dead, but their effects still follow on and affect us to this day.

[fruit_cake]

Believe in what? If you say God then you have to answer which God, why that God, and what even is God. And even if you can define that then you're still left with numerous other questions. Surely all the religious conflicts and disagreements that have happened throughout history and are still happening today show that it is a complicated question.

I suppose when I say believe I mean to believe in someone in control of everything, like our maker or something..rather than it all being a bit random and pointless. I'm not really talking about one religion or the other. They all have their strengths and weaknesses I guess.

[fruit_cake]

Hang about. Your opening post said "I think I am ....it does seem'.

That isn't what you're now saying....now you are saying either you believe, or you don't, yet in your first post - you said 'I think I am'. That means you aren't so sure yourself asto whether you are religious or not.


confused.com

well that's just :sleep:

[Kazanne]

No. Humans are meant to be above Animals.

I'm glad you said 'meant' InOne as sometimes I wonder! the depravity some humans sink to is mind boggling.

[InOne]

I'm glad you said 'meant' InOne as sometimes I wonder! the depravity some humans sink to is mind boggling.

Indeed, it says we should look after them too. So anyone who mistreats and claims to be religious isn't following the texts

[InOne]

Why have an OT and a NT?........

Didn't they like the original version?

Why are you asking me?

[InOne]

OT and NT? Are these upgrades?

They can be whatever you want them to be good sir

[MTVN]

I suppose when I say believe I mean to believe in someone in control of everything, like our maker or something..rather than it all being a bit random and pointless. I'm not really talking about one religion or the other. They all have their strengths and weaknesses I guess.

Oh right, I see where you're coming from

[joeysteele]

I know yours is a humorous wee story, but grrrr... don't even start me on Catholic priests and nuns and some of the behaviours that we hear about all too often. Guaranteed to make my blood boil - and these are the very ones preaching God's word.:mad:

*note: I was raised as a Catholic and opted out when I started to have a good think about all of the above*

I agree completely, it is more a turn off towards the faith than encouragement to come into it the way Priests and Nuns abuse their positions and often are downright torturous and cruel psychologically, not to mention the other very unsavoury acts.

When it was really only Nuns teaching in schools too, according to my family, they were some of the most cruel and brutal people about.


My guess is that if there is a God/overseeing being, then as in the New Testament where Jesus spent a lot of his time in conflict and angered by the so called hierarchy of the Faith in his time then the same would certainly be the case today with the hierarchy of near all faiths now,whose example is miles away from what they demand from their members and teach them.

[Vicky.]

You know, I have sat and thought a few times (usually when stoned or something) about if a group of us today sat down and wrote a few books about a miracle worker etc etc...and they surfaced a few hundred years in the future...would this create a brand new religion and people who took every word we said in those books as truth and started to worship the main character.

[Kazanne]

I believe they do. I know not everyone does but I like to think that they do.

Have you not seen the movie 'All dogs go to heaven?':hugesmile:

[joeysteele]

You know, I have sat and thought a few times (usually when stoned or something) about if a group of us today sat down and wrote a few books about a miracle worker etc etc...and they surfaced a few hundred years in the future...would this create a brand new religion and people who took every word we said in those books as truth and started to worship the main character.

It's certainly not impossible Vicky nor even unlikely.

[Callum]

Have you not seen the movie 'All dogs go to heaven?':hugesmile:

No, why? Would you reccomend it?

[Vicky.]

It's certainly not impossible Vicky nor even unlikely.

We could put a load of new 'rules' in it.

Thou shall dress up in a banana costume and worship the biggest oak tree within a 10 mile radius every thursday evening at 8pm or else you will be smited by the giant donkey god of Azerbaijan.

And such :joker:

[Josy]

We could put a load of new 'rules' in it.

Thou shall dress up in a banana costume and worship the biggest oak tree within a 10 mile radius every thursday evening at 8pm or else you will be smited by the giant donkey god of Azerbaijan.

And such :joker:

:laugh3:

[Josy]

I was always told when I was younger that animals went to rainbow bridge

http://www.ourheavenlyyorkies.com/Rainbow_Bridge%20(2).jpg

[Sticks]

And are we supposed to forward that on to 10 friends if we are not heartless cruel Nuns

[Pyramid*]

Indeed, it says we should look after them too. So anyone who mistreats and claims to be religious isn't following the texts

:o

They had mobile phones way back then? They kept that quiet ......


:D

[Pyramid*]

And are we supposed to forward that on to 10 friends if we are not heartless cruel Nuns


:bigsmile:

[joeysteele]

We could put a load of new 'rules' in it.

Thou shall dress up in a banana costume and worship the biggest oak tree within a 10 mile radius every thursday evening at 8pm or else you will be smited by the giant donkey god of Azerbaijan.

And such :joker:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some did it too,to the letter.:joker:

[InOne]

Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams

[Pyramid*]

http://www.realitista.org/files/page0_blog_entry184_1.png

[Kazanne]

I was always told when I was younger that animals went to rainbow bridge

http://www.ourheavenlyyorkies.com/Rainbow_Bridge%20(2).jpg

Aw,don't that makes me really sad:bawling: Love that verse

[Livia]

:o

They had mobile phones way back then? They kept that quiet ......


:D

Why not? They hard cars. It's in the Bible. "...and Moses came down the mountain in his Triumph".

[Niamh.]

Why not? They hard cars. It's in the Bible. "...and Moses came down the mountain in his Triumph".

:laugh2:

[Livia]

... and it obviously had a blowing exhaust because "Moses' triumph was heard all over Egypt".

[Pyramid*]

Why not? They hard cars. It's in the Bible. "...and Moses came down the mountain in his Triumph".

... and it obviously had a blowing exhaust because "Moses' triumph was heard all over Egypt".

:laugh3::laugh3:

[Redway]

Life's busy enough as it is. I don't do religion. Don't give a piss, tbh.

[Marsh.]

I agree completely, it is more a turn off towards the faith than encouragement to come into it the way Priests and Nuns abuse their positions and often are downright torturous and cruel psychologically, not to mention the other very unsavoury acts.

When it was really only Nuns teaching in schools too, according to my family, they were some of the most cruel and brutal people about.


My guess is that if there is a God/overseeing being, then as in the New Testament where Jesus spent a lot of his time in conflict and angered by the so called hierarchy of the Faith in his time then the same would certainly be the case today with the hierarchy of near all faiths now,whose example is miles away from what they demand from their members and teach them.

Bit of a ridiculous post.

Certain police officers, teachers, politicians, parents, etc abuse their levels of responsibility but does that make all people with those labels the same? No.