Sheep battered to death with baseball bat

[Pyramid*]

Be warned - the story is gruesome & sickening.



I've watched the video on youtube and Im not putting it up here as it is sickening.

WTF is wrong with these people....American Military Personnel standing around waiting, watching and laughing about this.

I wonder if they would laugh so much if it was their pet?



This is the sickening moment a group of men thought to be U.S. soldiers cheer on a man as he beats a sheep to death with a baseball bat.

The horrific video, which was posted on YouTube, shows the cowering animal suffer a merciless assault that lasts less than 30 seconds.
It is claimed that the footage was shot in Afghanistan last month.


He is, however, surrounded by men who appear to be U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan.

The video starts with the terrified sheep being dragged into a large open room by a heavily-tattooed soldier.
A man dressed in western clothes and wearing a baseball cap then viciously swings a metal bat at the creature's head.

To whoops and cheers from around ten or so spectators, including what looks like a delighted Afghan boy jumping up and down, he delivers a further ten blows.

The sheep is by this stage lying dead on the floor as the men gather around the animal and continue to scream in excitement.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074550/Outrage-footage-emerges-man-beating-death-sheep-baseball-bat-U-S-soldiers-stand-laughing.html#ixzz1geXsX1PQ

[King Gizzard]

wtf is up with papers all of a sudden thinking we want to see this crap?

[Pyramid*]

I for one would would rather it was brought to the public's attention - and hopefully those responsible being taken to task for such sick cruelty.

I'm guessing that's possibly the purpose behind publishing such stories.

[King Gizzard]

I have a feeling most of these are old videos and are just being pushed to the limelight for hits since the snake-kitten one (although I do agree it's good to be brought to attention to try and catch them)

[Jack_]

Absolutely barbaric. Stories like this sicken me beyond comprehension.

These people need sentencing extremely harshly, I'm not sure how tight sentencing on animal cruelty is at the minute, but regardless, these people should get 10 years bare minimum, and I'd even push for more. There's no excuse for such disgusting cruelty to any living creature.

[Pyramid*]

I have a feeling most of these are old videos and are just being pushed to the limelight for hits since the snake-kitten one (although I do agree it's good to be brought to attention to try and catch them)

Newspaper reports aren't always accurate I know, but according to what is being reported, the vid was taken a month ago.

[Smithy]

****ing disgusting :bored:

I doubt any action will be taken either because they're members of the military serving over seas :bored:

[MTVN]

Not sure how they'd really go about pressing charges seeing as it looks like it was just a random man out in Afghanistan who actually did it, not any of the soldiers who they're not even sure are American anyway

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i saw a video once where a group of animal rights protesters killed a bunch of homeless people in russia i think it was because they were eating animals or something :sad:

it was pretty horrific but i would pay to see that happen to the ***** that did this to the sheep

[Bollo]

I can only skim read stuff like this as it makes me feel physically sick and angry at the same time, I cannot understand how people can do horrific things like this to defenceless animals purely for their own entertainment, it's absolutely disgusting. Sometimes i despair of the human race

[Pyramid*]

Not sure how they'd really go about pressing charges seeing as it looks like it was just a random man out in Afghanistan who actually did it, not any of the soldiers who they're not even sure are American anyway

I could be wrong but I'm guessing that their fatigues would give good indication as to which Forces they belong to - given that one of them actually drags the sheep in - and others stand about watching this happen -and enjoy it.

I truly hope some if not all of them are outed by this and dealt with accordingly.

[Jordan.]

Just sick.

And the sheep is the 'animal' :bored:

[Pyramid*]

I've tried to find the video but can't so if you can give me a link that would be helpful.



Happy to help.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE9ArzjnkeY&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsear ch_query%3Dsheep%2Bbaseball%2Bbat%26oq%3Dsheep%2Bb ase%26aq%3D1%26aqi%3Dg2%26aql%3D%26gs_sm%3De%26gs_ upl%3D8504l13504l0l17299l10l10l0l0l0l0l269l1323l1. 6.2l9l0&has_verified=1

[MTVN]

Ok, this has been given a very thorough cleaning and is now back open

[Pyramid*]

Ok, this has been given a very thorough cleaning and is now back open

My you tube linky has been removed. :bawling:

[MTVN]

That was because it was part of the whole argument :p I can restore that one post if you wish, or the link can be edited into the OP?

[Pyramid*]

That was because it was part of the whole argument :p I can restore that one post if you wish, or the link can be edited into the OP?

What argument? .... ;)

I'm easy if you want to restore, but maybe better to put a warning on it MTVN - it is pretty graphic.

[Shasown]

American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.

[MTVN]

Ok I've restored the post with the link in and edited it accordingly

Interesting post Shasown, I did read about it being a custom over there but wasn't sure if that's normally a method they would use

[Pyramid*]

American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.

surely the tradition isn't to beat the holy ******* out of a sheep in that manner though?

I understand exactly what you are explaining and the very real truth of what is very plausible: but it's the manner that it's done??

I've witnessed sheep being slaughtered in Saudi to start Eid Celebrations and it was done with a very sharp skillful cut to the throat - over very quickly. It wasn't pleasant to watch, and yes, it was regarded as an 'honour' to be allowed to witness it. But this however is a barbaric act - that's not a sacrifice.

Not saying what you've detailed may not be the case.....there is of course that possibility of integrating very deliberately for more covert reasons for want of better wording - it the barbaric nature of it that I can't see it being sacrificing sheep for Eid.

[Wildcat!]

American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.

Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Dont go guessing like that , equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid! Especially if you dont know what youre talking about.

[Pyramid*]

Ok I've restored the post with the link in and edited it accordingly

Interesting post Shasown, I did read about it being a custom over there but wasn't sure if that's normally a method they would use

I'm not entirely convinced it is a normal method.

Ta muchly for link restoration btw! :)

[Pyramid*]

Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Very dangerous guess to make, equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid!

I've just posted something very similar. I've seen this happen with my own eyes (on at least 3 occasions) and never was it done in any other manner but in the way you have stated.

[Wildcat!]

Exactly! Its called Hallal, and thats why some muslims dont eat meat, unless the animal was killed that way. Nt even slaughter houses meat is considered Halal.
No real muslim would ever eat an animal, killed this way.

[Shasown]

surely the tradition isn't to beat the holy ******* out of a sheep in that manner though?

I understand exactly what you are explaining and the very real truth of what is very plausible: but it's the manner that it's done??

I've witnessed sheep being slaughtered in Saudi to start Eid Celebrations and it was done with a very sharp skillful cut to the throat - over very quickly. It wasn't pleasant to watch, and yes, it was regarded as an 'honour' to be allowed to witness it. But this however is a barbaric act - that's not a sacrifice.

Not saying what you've detailed may not be the case.....there is of course that possibility of integrating very deliberately for more covert reasons for want of better wording - it the barbaric nature of it that I can't see it being sacrificing sheep for Eid.

Saudi and Afghanistan are two very different cultures> believe me I have worked in both countries.

The integration of field units isnt for any covert reason its dead simple the Afghan units work alongside a Yank unit, initially following, then eventually the US unit allows them to take on more of the workload, eventually the US unit pulls out.

Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Very dangerous guess to make, equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid!

Sorry mate, hate to disallusion you, but have seen animals slaughtered in the field by Afghanis in the past. Done with a prayer yes. But not with a sharp knife nor out of sight of other animals etc. The animal was knocked sensless then had its throat ripped out as opposed to opened.

Also what you have to remember is the Afghani culture isnt exactly the same as other muslim cultures.

[Shasown]

Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

[Pyramid*]

Saudi and Afghanistan are two very different cultures> believe me I have worked in both countries.

The integration of field units isnt for any covert reason its dead simple the Afghan units work alongside a Yank unit, initially following, then eventually the US unit allows them to take on more of the workload, eventually the US unit pulls out.



Sorry mate, hate to disallusion you, but have seen animals slaughtered in the field by Afghanis in the past. Done with a prayer yes. But not with a sharp knife nor out of sight of other animals etc. The animal was knocked sensless then had its throat ripped out as opposed to opened.

Also what you have to remember is the Afghani culture isnt exactly the same as other muslim cultures.

I'm still not buying it. There is no way that that is a method of sacrifice: to batter countless times like that, whilst it's trying to walk away, trying to get away, laughing at it, taking pleasure in the suffering of it: and continuing to viciously beat it in such a way for Eid celebrations?.... I don't see it being that different regardless of which country it took place in.

Whether there was some other reason and nothing to do with Eid - that I could accept as being plausible.

[Pyramid*]

Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

Doubt it very much.

[Wildcat!]

Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

The delight its a kid!!! And kids equate the slaughtering of sheep to Eid. When I was a kid, we would cheer as well. But like I said real,muslim would never do that or eat such animal.
And especially on Eid day, anyone who is doing it for religious reasons like the poster suggests, will do it accordingly. Otherwise whats the point?
My objection was to that! Not weather he is afghan or not! If youve seen some barbaric slaughter of a sheep, its very possible, but it had nothing to do with Eid, or ISLAM

[Callum]

I watched this about an hour ago but couldn't post here because the thread was locked. Those men are utter scum, they deserve to rot in hell. I'm fed up of this whole attitude that we should respect all troops for their work and that they are all heroes, I'm not denying that a good majority of the troops are good people who are fighting on behalf of their country but when I see things like this it just angers me. I would never respect people like that, no matter what job they do.

[Wildcat!]

Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!

[Shasown]

Doubt it very much.

You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319804/Afghan-girl-Bibi-Aisha-nose-ears-hacked-Taliban-rule-gets-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurement is outlawed by Islamic law

[Wildcat!]

You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319804/Afghan-girl-Bibi-Aisha-nose-ears-hacked-Taliban-rule-gets-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law

So now that your point is totally ridiculous, you come in here post something completely off subject to further your agenda.
Do you have nothing else to talk about? Then Go open a thread about this mutilation.
I am sure you can gather muslim bashers to help ou with it.
This thread as zero to do with Taliban, islam or muslims. Its about american soldiers cheering and barbarically killing a sheep. Period.

[Pyramid*]

You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319804/Afghan-girl-Bibi-Aisha-nose-ears-hacked-Taliban-rule-gets-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law

I'm not relating Western sensibilites to anything - I'm saying that there is no way that that anyone sacrificing a sheep for Eid or Islam would do so in the manner in which this guy did. I am relating what I have seen with my own eyes, happen in a Muslim country and in the manner in which is customary to conduct such a sacrifice: and this is not it.


That link has not a thing to do with this story.

[Shasown]

Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!

Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

[Wildcat!]

Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!

[Shasown]

ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!

I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.

[Wildcat!]

SHASHOWS TAKE on the clip:

"In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep
it may even have been his own pet sheep.
The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.#
As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect."


Perfect take on it!!!

[Wildcat!]

I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.

But you said its probably his pet!
Yeah!!! I am from a 3rd world country, you cant educate me on who or how sheep are kEPT!!! AND no, they are never pets, they are food!
Again your points are stupid, now plain idiotic!

[Kerry]

Right, pack it in.

[Shasown]

But you said its probably his pet!
Yeah!!! I am from a 3rd world country, you cant educate me on who or how sheep are kEPT!!! AND no, they are never pets, they are food!
Again your points are stupid, now plain idiotic!

I didnt say it was probably his pet I said

Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

and

Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

[Wildcat!]

Right, pack it in.

My apologies! :blush2:

[Pyramid*]

So now that your point is totally ridiculous, you come in here post something completely off subject to further your agenda.
Do you have nothing else to talk about? Then Go open a thread about this mutilation.
I am sure you can gather muslim bashers to help ou with it.
This thread as zero to do with Taliban, islam or muslims. Its about american soldiers cheering and barbarically killing a sheep. Period.

I do get the feeling that the guy doing it clubbing it would have been one of the soldiers - obviously I don't know for sure - but I do think there is more chance of him being one of the soldiers and not an Afghan.

[Livia]

This has nothing to do with religion or sacrifice or hallal or any other thing connected to Muslims or any other religion. It has to do with sick, cruel people getting their kicks by torturing a terrified, defenceless animal to dealth. Unfortunately for the world, no one country has the monopoly on these dispicable people. Atrocious cruelty to animals goes on every day in this country, ask any RSPCA Officer, and to suggest this kind of thing is part of anyone's culture is ridiculous and insulting.

[lostalex]

Since when is it illegal to kill a sheep? This would not even be illegal in England. If you have a sheep, and you want to kill it and eat it, you have every right to bash it in the head and kill it.

How many of you are vegetarians? Bashing an animal in the head with a baseball bat is not cruelty. That's probably the most humane way of killing it with limited resources.

[lostalex]

I do get the feeling that the guy doing it clubbing it would have been one of the soldiers - obviously I don't know for sure - but I do think there is more chance of him being one of the soldiers and not an Afghan.

and why is that more likely? please give one reason that you think that.

[arista]

Happy to help.

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Its a Yank
typical.

[Livia]

Ahhh... dedicated non-thinking contrarian hour has arrived. And I don't mean you, Arista.

[lostalex]

Ahhh... dedicated non-thinking contrarian hour has arrived. And I don't mean you, Arista.

oic, i'm non-thinking (that's a personal attack by the way and against the rules) but you can't even formulate an actual intellectual response to my post.

Tell me, would it be illegal in the UK to kill your own sheep by bashing it in the head? Ofcourse it's not illegal. Please prove me wrong.

If you were going to kill a sheep to eat, how would you kill it Livia?? What is more humane than bashing it in the head? The electric chair? A gas chamber? stab it??

[lostalex]

i also think it's hilarious that this thread has more pages than the thread about a BRITISH woman MICROWAVING a CAT. So whoever said "not surprising, american soldiers are horrible" yet your own people in YOUr OWn COUNTRY, put cats in microwaves... and she wasn't killing it to eat, unlike the sheep video.

hypocrisy is in no short supply here at TiBB

[MTVN]

Since when is it illegal to kill a sheep? This would not even be illegal in England. If you have a sheep, and you want to kill it and eat it, you have every right to bash it in the head and kill it.

How many of you are vegetarians? Bashing an animal in the head with a baseball bat is not cruelty. That's probably the most humane way of killing it with limited resources.

I think it's more to do with the manner in which it was killed, it was done for entertainment, not for food or because it "the most humane way" of doing things

Although I do find it quite hard to get really worked up about this, there are far worse things happening in Afghanistan after all, and I do eat sheep all the time and I'm sure the way it is often killed in an abattoir isn't always so humane either

[arista]

i also think it's hilarious that this thread has more pages than the thread about a BRITISH woman MICROWAVING a CAT. So whoever said "not surprising, american soldiers are horrible" yet your own people in YOUr OWn COUNTRY, put cats in microwaves... and she wasn't killing it to eat, unlike the sheep video.

hypocrisy is in no short supply here at TiBB




Yes that was Evil Bitch

[MTVN]

i also think it's hilarious that this thread has more pages than the thread about a BRITISH woman MICROWAVING a CAT. So whoever said "not surprising, american soldiers are horrible" yet your own people in YOUr OWn COUNTRY, put cats in microwaves... and she wasn't killing it to eat, unlike the sheep video.

hypocrisy is in no short supply here at TiBB

I'm going to say this now; do not try and turn this into a British vs America; who's more cruel to animals competition

[Livia]

I think it's more to do with the manner in which it was killed, it was done for entertainment, not for food or because it "the most humane way" of doing things

Although I do find it quite hard to get really worked up about this, there are far worse things happening in Afghanistan after all, and I do eat sheep all the time and I'm sure the way it is often killed in an abattoir isn't always so humane either

I get what you're saying, and I agree with the abattoir comment, but this has been done for fun. I don't agree with any kind of killing for fun, not hunting stuff you're not going to eat and definitely not beating an animal to death with a baseball bat while dickheads around you whoop and clap like the morons they are.

[lostalex]

I'm going to say this now; do not try and turn this into a British vs America; who's more cruel to animals competition

I'm not making it anything, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.

[lostalex]

I get what you're saying, and I agree with the abattoir comment, but this has been done for fun. I don't agree with any kind of killing for fun, not hunting stuff you're not going to eat and definitely not beating an animal to death with a baseball bat while dickheads around you whoop and clap like the morons they are.

how do you know it was done for fun? The video doesn't explain at all why the sheep was killed or what they did with the meat afterwards. Do fisherman not get excited and cheer when someone catches a large fish to kill?? Do hunters not get excited when they kill a large deer and celebrate??

[Livia]

If those posts are to me lostalex, I have you on ignore so I don't have to deal with your nonsense. Just so ya know and don't have to waste your time.

[lostalex]

If those posts are to me lostalex, I have you on ignore so I don't have to deal with your nonsense. Just so ya know and don't have to waste your time.

Then why are addressing me?

[MTVN]

I get what you're saying, and I agree with the abattoir comment, but this has been done for fun. I don't agree with any kind of killing for fun, not hunting stuff you're not going to eat and definitely not beating an animal to death with a baseball bat while dickheads around you whoop and clap like the morons they are.

Yeah I do agree with that

Edit - your post I mean, not the whooping at the animal being beaten with a baseball bat

[arista]

If those posts are to me lostalex, I have you on ignore so I don't have to deal with your nonsense. Just so ya know and don't have to waste your time.


Lucky You.

[Pyramid*]

I'm going to say this now; do not try and turn this into a British vs America; who's more cruel to animals competition

Thanks for that MTVN - much appreciated. :blush:

I'm happy confirm your earlier comment that the thread is less to do with the nationality - and more to do with the manner in which the animal was treated and the apparent glee shown by the onlookers (regardless of their nationality).

[Shasown]

I'm going to say this now; do not try and turn this into a British vs America; who's more cruel to animals competition

Nah I think the Chinese have that one in the bag.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Disgusting people

[Kazanne]

That story has ruined my day,I abhor cruelty in any shape or form and for GROWN men to find that entertaining is beyond my comprehesion,It is so sad that animals and kids are subject to these cowards,I have no name for them,they should just crawl away and die!

[Kazanne]

Nah I think the Chinese have that one in the bag.

Yes another barbaric nation along with the Spanish lets be honest here every country has these low lifes breathing our precious oxygen,they contribute nothing to a civilized society

[Kazanne]

how do you know it was done for fun? The video doesn't explain at all why the sheep was killed or what they did with the meat afterwards. Do fisherman not get excited and cheer when someone catches a large fish to kill?? Do hunters not get excited when they kill a large deer and celebrate??

Yes ALL cowardly idiots that like to feel their 'power' over life and death,No need to kill in such a barbaric way unless of course you are a moron of the highest degree.

[Kazanne]

I watched this about an hour ago but couldn't post here because the thread was locked. Those men are utter scum, they deserve to rot in hell. I'm fed up of this whole attitude that we should respect all troops for their work and that they are all heroes, I'm not denying that a good majority of the troops are good people who are fighting on behalf of their country but when I see things like this it just angers me. I would never respect people like that, no matter what job they do.

THIS^well said

[Livia]

That story has ruined my day,I abhor cruelty in any shape or form and for GROWN men to find that entertaining is beyond my comprehesion,It is so sad that animals and kids are subject to these cowards,I have no name for them,they should just crawl away and die!

I take it you're using the term "men" in its loosest possible form.

You mention animals and kids, I saw a really interesting documentary about how animal protection officers in the USA are being trained to look for signs of child abuse, because one type of cruelty often follows another.

[lostalex]

Yes ALL cowardly idiots that like to feel their 'power' over life and death,No need to kill in such a barbaric way unless of course you are a moron of the highest degree.

and what is a non-barbaric way to kill?

Please inform of us the CIVILIZED way to kill something. There's nothing civilized about killing. but we do kill animals, we are a species that eats other species.

Style should not be an issue when it comes to killing., the fact is we all enjoy the benefits of kiling, whether it's killing on an industrial scale, or on a personal scale, we all eat meat and we all accept that killing is part of our nutritional requirements as a species. (unless yur a vegan, although yur still kiling plants)

[Pyramid*]

and what is a non-barbaric way to kill?

Please inform of us the CIVILIZED way to kill something. There's nothing civilized about killing. but we do kill animals, we are a species that eats other species.

Style should not be an issue when it comes to killing., the fact is we all enjoy the benefits of kiling, whether it's killing on an industrial scale, or on a personal scale, we all eat meat and we all accept that killing is part of our nutritional requirements as a species. (unless yur a vegan, although yur still kiling plants)


We aren't discussing talking about animals for food - the whole ISSUE here about this thread is that supposedly 'American' SOLDIERS have been part of this brutal, barbaric, clubbing to death of a defenceless animal, in the most appalling manner, and being seen to enjoy it - as well as the person doing the actual beating of the animal.


THAT is the context of the thread. Not how animals are killed overall.....it is the MANNER in which SOLDIERS are happily witnessing this - one even dragging the poor beast to it's horrendously hellish death.

[lostalex]

We aren't discussing talking about animals for food - the whole ISSUE here about this thread is that supposedly 'American' SOLDIERS have been part of this brutal, barbaric, clubbing to death of a defenceless animal, in the most appalling manner, and being seen to enjoy it - as well as the person doing the actual beating of the animal.


THAT is the context of the thread. Not how animals are killed overall.....it is the MANNER in which SOLDIERS are happily witnessing this - one even dragging the poor beast to it's horrendously hellish death.

I'm sorry, but unless you are a vegan, you are a hypocrite. Being happy about feeding your friends is not an evil thing, that is an act of love.

Think about all major events and holidays and celebrations.. what is the center of the event usually?? It's a MEAL, usually with a BIG hunk of MEAT that everyone shares.

[Pyramid*]

I'm sorry, but unless you are a vegan, you are a hypocrite. Being happy about feeding your friends is not an evil thing, that is an act of love.

Are you unable to discuss the subject of a thread without spinning it into something it's not about. It's not exactly difficult to follow.

This isn't a story about killing animals for food - it's about the sheer brutality and pleasure / amusement being shown by 'American' Soldiers who stand back and appear to think it's all one big laugh.

[lostalex]

"Undercover filming has revealed the truth of millions of piglets on British farms having their teeth clipped and tails docked without anaesthetic."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075225/Pain-pigs-Undercover-filming-shows-animals-having-teeth-clipped-metal-pliers-anaesthetic.html#ixzz1gpglJTSC


Do you eat any pork products???

[Pyramid*]

"Undercover filming has revealed the truth of millions of piglets on British farms having their teeth clipped and tails docked without anaesthetic."


Do you eat any pork products???

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Are you unable to discuss the subject of a thread without spinning it into something it's not about. It's not exactly difficult to follow.

This isn't a story about killing animals for food.



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[Jords]

Swear everybody has gone mental the amount of sick and bizarre news that has come forward lately is disgusting.