Stores 'ashamed' to sell religious cards... but obscene ones litter the High Street

[fruit_cake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077278/Supermarkets-ashamed-sell-religious-Christmas-cards-obscene-ones-litter-high-street.html

I wouldn't exactly say that they 'litter the high street' that seems a bit of an exaggeration but it is probably not a good sign for the world when this happens.

[Bollo]

Supermarkets are usually quite mercinary and will sell whatever people buy most of, I would say its more likely that the demand for religious cards has decreased. 70% of the population may well be christian, but it will be to varying degrees and doesn't necessarily mean they will buy religious cards

[Pyramid*]

Nothing more than basic economics. Demand = supply.

That's the way it is: that's what people demand these days, that's what they get.

[Ammi]

Nothing more than basic economics. Demand = supply.

That's the way it is: that's what people demand these days, that's what they get.

...I was going to say pretty much the same...my boss is a good example, she's a devout Chriistian...I showed her a selection of cards, of which there were some religious ones and asked her which one she wanted to send out...she didn't chose the religious ones...whether it's a sad fact or not, it is a fact

[fruit_cake]

What struck me was the contrast between the two, religious to obscene it seems to have gone from from one extreme to another

[fruit_cake]

Nothing more than basic economics. Demand = supply.

That's the way it is: that's what people demand these days, that's what they get.

that doesn't make it right, it just is an explanation for why it is.

[Pyramid*]

What struck me was the contrast between the two, religious to obscene it seems to have gone from from one extreme to another

The world is obscene now - surely you cannot just have noticed the shift? Morals are pretty thin on the ground these days - never mind expecting an upsurge in religious greetings cards.

[fruit_cake]

The world is obscene now - surely you cannot just have noticed the shift? Morals are pretty thin on the ground these days - never mind expecting an upsurge in religious greetings cards.

what do you think about that Pyramid, do you think that is a good or bad thing?

[Pyramid*]

that doesn't make it right, it just is an explanation for why it is.

You didn't ask whether it should be right or not or what made it right or not.

I gave an explanation as to why it is what it is: If you don't want discussion on it, why create the thread?

[Pyramid*]

what do you think about that Pyramid, do you think that is a good or bad thing?

Doesn't bother me a jot. I'm not religious.

[fruit_cake]

Doesn't bother me a jot. I'm not religious.

I was referring to your post that was saying 'the world is obscene and morals are thin on the ground'

that does not bother you a jot?

[Pyramid*]

I was referring to your post that was saying 'the world is obscene and morals are thin on the ground'

that does not bother you a jot?

The thread isn't about me. ;) It's about religious cards being in short supply and stores being ashamed to sell them......isn't it.

[billy123]

Religion is far more obscene than a rude sentiment on a card.
Religion is the cause of death of millions of people around the world every year!! how many people died as a result of a rude card???

[fruit_cake]

you're right this thread isn't about you so why have you tried to turn it into a thread about you?

[fruit_cake]

Religion is far more obscene than a rude sentiment on a card.
Religion is the cause of death of millions of people around the world every year!! how many people died as a result of a rude card???

Religion has had thousands of years to cause all those deaths but rude cards have only had a few years to do the same damage.

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077278/Supermarkets-ashamed-sell-religious-Christmas-cards-obscene-ones-litter-high-street.html

I wouldn't exactly say that they 'litter the high street' that seems a bit of an exaggeration but it is probably not a good sign for the world when this happens.


Xmas Stinks

Cards are part of the problem.


Sign Of The Times

[Pyramid*]

what do you think about that Pyramid, do you think that is a good or bad thing?

I was referring to your post that was saying 'the world is obscene and morals are thin on the ground'

that does not bother you a jot?

The thread isn't about me. ;) It's about religious cards being in short supply and stores being ashamed to sell them......isn't it.

you're right this thread isn't about you so why have you tried to turn it into a thread about you?

See your posts above.


Bobnot has got it spot on. How many people died because of a rude / obscene greetings card......unless it was from dying laughing.

[Pyramid*]

Religion has had thousands of years to cause all those deaths but rude cards have only had a few years to do the same damage.

How many deaths have rude cards caused then in comparison in the last few years then?

[Ammi]

Gods don't kill people, people with gods kill people....something like that anyway.....think I read it on a card....

[Ammi]

How many deaths have rude cards caused then in comparison in the last few years then?

...my nan might have had a heart attack at some things you read.........actually no.....she'd have probably laughed...

[Pyramid*]

...my nan might have had a heart attack at some things you read.........actually no.....she'd have probably laughed...


Seek and ye shall find......... I found one that covers all bases just about.....



Peace & Humour....what more could a person want! :D

http://rlv.zcache.com/christmas_blowjob_card-p137420082907932156z7suj_400.jpg

[Pyramid*]

Gods don't kill people, people with gods kill people....something like that anyway.....think I read it on a card....

You could have something there ......

Look...... a Peruvian ceremonial knife - complete with Deity.




http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPbLZ-6atsGjar_9NJ-85HDYwFS3UMaVrsHXhodOtT91j9lAWz6g

[MTVN]

Meh Christmas is more secular and commercial now than it is religious anyway, and tbh a lot of Christmas traditions aren't even really Christian

[Tom]

What struck me was the contrast between the two, religious to obscene it seems to have gone from from one extreme to another

They're not really obscene though, just tongue in cheek

The statistics speak for themselves, if people aren't buying them then the supermarkets won't stock them. Its just bad business sense.

[Tom4784]

Typical Daily Mail rubbish, I'm surprised they didn't try to fit in a jab at muslims somewhere in that article. I've never seen nor been given a religious christmas card ever, for a lot of people Christmas isn't about religion it's about comercialism so it's no surprise to see that supermarkets don't opt to sell many religious themed cards because they probably don't sell that well in comparison to the more secular type of cards.

That article is terrible though, typical stirring nonsense from a paper made only to enrage gullible idiots.

[arista]

Typical Daily Mail rubbish, I'm surprised they didn't try to fit in a jab at muslims somewhere in that article. I've never seen nor been given a religious christmas card ever, for a lot of people Christmas isn't about religion it's about comercialism so it's no surprise to see that supermarkets don't opt to sell many religious themed cards because they probably don't sell that well in comparison to the more secular type of cards.

That article is terrible though, typical stirring nonsense from a paper made only to enrage gullible idiots.


Spiffing

[Pyramid*]

They're not really obscene though, just tongue in cheek

The statistics speak for themselves, if people aren't buying them then the supermarkets won't stock them. Its just bad business sense.

It is indeed bad business sense to stock what does not sell, that there is no demand for.

Should it be a case of expecting card shops to stock what isn't demanded, let them stock up on religious cards that won't sell - help put them out of business, bankrupt them, owners have to sell up, have no income, can't pay mortgage/rent : lose house, end up on street.

Merry Christmas one and all. Religion: it's got a lot to answer for !

[Pyramid*]

Typical Daily Mail rubbish, I'm surprised they didn't try to fit in a jab at muslims somewhere in that article. I've never seen nor been given a religious christmas card ever, for a lot of people Christmas isn't about religion it's about comercialism so it's no surprise to see that supermarkets don't opt to sell many religious themed cards because they probably don't sell that well in comparison to the more secular type of cards.

That article is terrible though, typical stirring nonsense from a paper made only to enrage gullible idiots.

I'd say that was pretty spot on Dezzy.

Thankfully, I'm not one of those enraged gullible idiots that get stirred up by such daftness.

[InOne]

I got a Religious card yesterday 0_0

[Pyramid*]

I got a Religious card yesterday 0_0

Bought or received?

[InOne]

Bought or received?

Received

[Pyramid*]

Received

Wonder if it was purchased at the Chapel/Church shop...... that's where most people I know who are religious, tend to buy their from: money all going to the faith and all that.

You should ask where they bought it and call the Daily Mail, let them know where their religious readers can procure such a thing.

[InOne]

Wonder if it was purchased at the Chapel/Church shop...... that's where most people I know who are religious, tend to buy their from: money all going to the faith and all that.

You should ask where they bought it and call the Daily Mail, let them know where their religious readers can procure such a thing.

I dunno, she's Catholic so it's just one of those with our lady on. So maybe the church or something

[Pyramid*]

I dunno, she's Catholic so it's just one of those with our lady on. So maybe the church or something

Surely if she's catholic, it would be the Chapel?

The word chapel is in particularly common usage in the United Kingdom, and even more so in Wales, for independent or nonconformist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonconformism) places of worship; and in Scotland and Ireland for Roman Catholic churches

[InOne]

Surely if she's catholic, it would be the Chapel?

The word chapel is in particularly common usage in the United Kingdom, and even more so in Wales, for independent or nonconformist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonconformism) places of worship; and in Scotland and Ireland for Roman Catholic churches

As I stated in my post before, I don't know :)

[Shasown]

Surely if she's catholic, it would be the Chapel?

The word chapel is in particularly common usage in the United Kingdom, and even more so in Wales, for independent or nonconformist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonconformism) places of worship; and in Scotland and Ireland for Roman Catholic churches

That would depend where the sender lives then surely?

Think the term chapel is only really used in more rural areas. Was brought up a Catholic and the only place I have heard it used when referrring to a Catholic Church was in Ireland when referring to a smaller church or up here with the local porridge **** out in the sticks.

[InOne]

I've never used chapel at all. It's always been Church. For either Catholic or CofE

[MTVN]

There's a "Chapel" in our village but it's a baptist one, never really known the difference tbh

[Pyramid*]

That would depend where the sender lives then surely?

Think the term chapel is only really used in more rural areas. Was brought up a Catholic and the only place I have heard it used when referrring to a Catholic Church was in Ireland when referring to a smaller church or up here with the local porridge **** out in the sticks.

I've never used chapel at all. It's always been Church. For either Catholic or CofE

dunno... I'm not sure myself where the distinction lies (if any at all tbh)

Being a very lapsed Catholic of (too) many years - it was always referred to as Chapel up my way.

I'd read that InOne in particular, mostly due to him having explained he'd taken a great interest (and did well) in R.E. Studies - it could just be a personal preference on terminology I guess.

[Pyramid*]

There's a "Chapel" in our village but it's a baptist one, never really known the difference tbh

Me either. Now isn't there something to do with Steeples?..... :conf:

[InOne]

dunno... I'm not sure myself where the distinction lies (if any at all tbh)

Being a very lapsed Catholic of (too) many years - it was always referred to as Chapel up my way.

I'd read that InOne in particular, mostly due to him having explained he'd taken a great interest (and did well) in R.E. Studies - it could just be a personal preference on terminology I guess.

Yep, it really doesn't matter. Especially even more when you're an Atheist.

[Shasown]

All the churches that I was dragged to by my parents, used to have smaller areas tucked away in the wings, mostly dedicated to JC's mum, Mary, or the saint the church was dedcated to. These were referred to as chapels.

Oh one other place would be the multi denominational place of prayer in hospitals they were often called chapels, think they are now "quiet" rooms or some such rubbish.

[Pyramid*]

Yep, it really doesn't matter. Especially even more when you're an Atheist.

Matters everso slightly I guess when one is agnostic.....gotta cover all bets here!

All the churches that I was dragged to by my parents, used to have smaller areas tucked away in the wings, mostly dedicated to JC's mum, Mary, or the saint the church was dedcated to. These were referred to as chapels.

Oh one other place would be the multi denominational place of prayer in hospitals they were often called chapels, think they are now "quiet" rooms or some such rubbish.

Has familiar rings to it. Aye the wee 'quiet' bit that was glassed off....where people took their screaming bairns. :joker:

Dragged by the collar - brings back memories.

As well as getting clipped on the ear coz I wanted to attend wearing a pair of very 'trendy' lilac coloured flares with a multi coloured tank top - and told my gran God didn't care what I wore - as long as I went.

I learned very quickly that what God cared about, mattered less than what SHE cared about....... - via a rather brutal scud on the head courtesy of the auld dear! :D

[InOne]

Matters everso slightly I guess when one is agnostic.....gotta cover all bets here!



Has familiar rings to it. Aye the wee 'quiet' bit that was glassed off....where people took their screaming bairns. :joker:

Dragged by the collar - brings back memories.

As well as getting clipped on the ear coz I wanted to attend wearing a pair of very 'trendy' lilac coloured flares with a multi coloured tank top - and told my gran God didn't care what I wore - as long as I went.

I learned very quickly that what God cared about, mattered less than what SHE cared about....... - via a rather brutal scud on the head courtesy of the auld dear! :D

Maybe you should choose a different God to believe in every week to make totally sure you cover all bases ;)

[Pyramid*]

Maybe you should choose a different God to believe in every week to make totally sure you cover all bases ;)

Maybe I'm old enough to make my own decisions ;)

Perhaps I'll even dabble in a bit of good old fashioned Satanism too. :devil:

[Shasown]

Maybe you should choose a different God to believe in every week to make totally sure you cover all bases ;)

Or then again could go down the best of everything route and join the Bahá'í faith.

I have always felt it was the same god in all the religions, just the idiots in charge of the methodology of worship were different. Or then again maybe Gods just a joker, slipping each religion the nod, quietly telling each religion they were the chosen people and other groups were heathen etc. Then sitting back and watching the fireworks.

[InOne]

Maybe I'm old enough to make my own decisions ;)

Perhaps I'll even dabble in a bit of good old fashioned Satanism too. :devil:

Clearly not seen as you can't decide if there is a God or not :)

[InOne]

Or then again could go down the best of everything route and join the Bahá'í faith.

I have always felt it was the same god in all the religions, just the idiots in charge of the methodology of worship were different. Or then again maybe Gods just a joker, slipping each religion the nod, quietly telling each religion they were the chosen people and other groups were heathen etc. Then sitting back and watching the fireworks.

Yeah, someone once said to me they found it amazing that the main religions had all these similarities and it must mean there is "something there". I was just thinking "Orrrrrrr they just all copied off eacohther". I didn't say anything though, saw her face light up so didn't want to ruin her moment of enlightenment :joker:

[Pyramid*]

Clearly not seen as you can't decide if there is a God or not :)

That's the benefit of being a grown up you see: you don't need to be forced into making decisions you don't want to - or have no need to make.

It's called having choices. :)

[Pyramid*]

Yeah, someone once said to me they found it amazing that the main religions had all these similarities and it must mean there is "something there". I was just thinking "Orrrrrrr they just all copied off eacohther". I didn't say anything though, saw her face light up so didn't want to ruin her moment of enlightenment :joker:

That must have been a rarity for you. A miracle perhaps!! :D

[InOne]

That's the benefit of being a grown up you see: you don't need to be forced into making decisions you don't want to - or have no need to make.

It's called having choices. :)

Nobody is forcing you to do anything lol

I hope it's comfy on that fence :)

[Pyramid*]

Or then again could go down the best of everything route and join the Bahá'í faith.

I have always felt it was the same god in all the religions, just the idiots in charge of the methodology of worship were different. Or then again maybe Gods just a joker, slipping each religion the nod, quietly telling each religion they were the chosen people and other groups were heathen etc. Then sitting back and watching the fireworks.

Now yer talking !! :devil:

[InOne]

That must have been a rarity for you. A miracle perhaps!! :D

I'm actually nice in real life, just a twat on here ;)

[Pyramid*]

Nobody is forcing you to do anything lol

I hope it's comfy on that fence :)

Lovely - it's quite cosy too, thanks. :)

[arista]

Maybe I'm old enough to make my own decisions ;)

Perhaps I'll even dabble in a bit of good old fashioned Satanism too. :devil:


Stop
You will Turn InOne On

[Pyramid*]

I'm actually nice in real life, just a twat on here ;)

I agree on the latter half. The first - I'll go agnostic on that one.

[Pyramid*]

Stop
You will Turn InOne On

http://teammp.net/kevin/pics/Cat%20pics/curses-foiled-again.jpg

[InOne]

I agree on the latter half. The first - I'll go agnostic on that one.

Typical. Infact though, I can be quite lovely on here, but only to lovely people ;)

[Pyramid*]

Typical. Infact though, I can be quite lovely on here, but only to lovely people ;)


Like I said: agnostic.

[InOne]

Like I said: agnostic.

Nope, there is no denying the facts on that one :joker:

[Shasown]

That must have been a rarity for you. A miracle perhaps!! :D

You on the egg nog again?

Careful now not on an empty stomach makes you all prickly picky and nasty.

[Pyramid*]

Nope, there is no denying the facts on that one :joker:

Nope: I'm definately agonstic. Glad we got there in the end eh! :D

You on the egg nog again?

Careful now not on an empty stomach makes you all prickly picky and nasty.

Egg nog. :yuk:

good dose of the Holy Spirit in Pyramid form (aka Scottish Blend).

Reaches the parts other religions cannot.

[InOne]

Nope: I'm definately agonstic. Glad we got there in the end eh! :D



Egg nog. :yuk:

good dose of the Holy Spirit in Pyramid form (aka Scottish Blend).

Reaches the parts other religions cannot.

Yes agnostically wrong.


And Shasown she must be on the egg nog all the time if that's true :joker:

[Pyramid*]

Yes agnostically wrong.


And Shasown she must be on the egg nog all the time if that's true :joker:

Coming from the guy who spends much of his time in the local pub....mooching free grub...... that makes me laugh! :D

[InOne]

Coming from the guy who spends much of his time in the local pub....mooching free grub...... that makes me laugh! :D

I do? How do you know this? Do you follow me around?


And getting personal I see Pyramid, did I hit a nerve ;)

[Pyramid*]

I do? How do you know this? Do you follow me around?


And getting personal I see Pyramid, did I hit a nerve ;)


No nerve here: I'm not the one with the bad memory - I don't need to follow you around ;) you my dearest have tried to be personal more often than not: if it's good enough for you - then it's good enough for me. :D

You talk about being in the pub often enough and getting free grub - we discussed it one time - whereby you said you often went to the pub alone - but knew people who drank there. Clearly you don't remember though...too many shandies perhaps!

[MTVN]

Ok that's enough now Pyramid, let's cut it out

[InOne]

No nerve here: I'm not the one with the bad memory - I don't need to follow you around ;)

You talk about being in the pub often enough and getting free grub - we discussed it one time - whereby you said you often went to the pub alone - but knew people who drank there. Clearly you don't remember though...too many shandies perhaps!

I probably said that once around 6 months ago :joker: I've also said I often overemphasise how much I'm actually there on here.


But of couse, you'd ignore that wouldn't you, just to try get one over me ;)

[Pyramid*]

Ok that's enough now Pyramid, let's cut it out

Selective reading MTVN - maybe you want to tell others to cut it out too..... or are you just one a mission to target one person - despite others nipping at my heels - or doesn't that rule apply to everyone. :conf:

[MTVN]

Selective reading MTVN - maybe you want to tell others to cut it out too..... or are you just one a mission to target one person - despite others nipping at my heels - or doesn't that rule apply to everyone. :conf:

I'm not going to discuss this now and derail the thread further, I've said "let's cut it out", that applies to everyone.

Anymore off topic posts will be deleted/infracted, don't say you weren't warned

[Pyramid*]

I'm not going to discuss this now and derail the thread further, I've said "let's cut it out", that applies to everyone.

Anymore off topic posts will be deleted/infracted, don't say you weren't warned

I'm more than happy to keep on topic - and more than happy that it applies to all though I'd be happier if your personalised post to me was amended to make that clear. In the kindly spirit of the thread of course: peace, harmony and goodwill to all men (and women). :)

[lily.]

Religion is far more obscene than a rude sentiment on a card.
Religion is the cause of death of millions of people around the world every year!! how many people died as a result of a rude card???

100% agree

[Pyramid*]

100% agree

I agree too Lily. Obscene cards can be funny - better that than old bah humbug stuff.

[Shasown]

Religion is far more obscene than a rude sentiment on a card.
Religion is the cause of death of millions of people around the world every year!! how many people died as a result of a rude card???

I personally dont think religion in itself is obscene, and there arent many religions that actually demand human sacrifice or require anyones death.

Think it is more to do with the way Man uses religion to his own ends, to control others or feed his demand for power over others.

Most religions actually require their adherents to respect others, if not even love them and care for them.

As for the increase in the more humerous type of cards and the decrease in the religious style of cards, it is due in some part to the demand of the public, but also in part due to producers deciding what they think we should be using, this is seen in other areas of modern life particualrly the clothing industry.

[Vicky.]

I dont think I have ever seen what I would class as an 'obscene' card.

I must be shopping in the wrong places :laugh:

[Pyramid*]

I dont think I have ever seen what I would class as an 'obscene' card.

I must be shopping in the wrong places :laugh:


I saw a rather quality one, internet version last night. Rude, crude but very funny. :D


You can't be looking in the right places !!

[fruit_cake]

I think this article sort of illustrates how morals have changed in society these days, apparently if it 'sells' it's good enough.

[lily.]

I dont think I have ever seen what I would class as an 'obscene' card.

I must be shopping in the wrong places :laugh:

I dare say there will be some outlets selling 'obscene' cards.. just off the high street lol..

You don't really see traditional cards/calendars now though. We used to have a small local shop run by a muslim guy and he was the only one who sold the religious cards with the nativity scene etc. Bit ironic lol.

[Vicky.]

I remember when I was quite young, getting a church card from my aunty. I was gutted because my little sister who was about a year old got a lovely big glittery snowman card...while I had this little brown thing with black writing and a nativity scene on the front :bored:

/deprived child

[Pyramid*]

I think this article sort of illustrates how morals have changed in society these days, apparently if it 'sells' it's good enough.

I don't think it's new though - it's been like this for many years.

If it sells -it sells because it is what people want to buy. The world changes - c'est la vie.

[Pyramid*]

I remember when I was quite young, getting a church card from my aunty. I was gutted because my little sister who was about a year old got a lovely big glittery snowman card...while I had this little brown thing with black writing and a nativity scene on the front :bored:

/deprived child


Glittery cards are nectar to kids!

[fruit_cake]

I don't think it's new though - it's been like this for many years.

If it sells -it sells because it is what people want to buy. The world changes - c'est la vie.

People would probably buy tickets to see executions in the streets too. Perhaps we should just sit back and let that happen too?

After all, it's ok because people want to buy it :rolleyes:

[Pyramid*]

People would probably buy tickets to see executions in the streets too. Perhaps we should just sit back and let that happen too?

After all, it's ok because people want to buy it :rolleyes:

when public executions take place in the UK -let me know and I'll give you my thoughts on that.

Till then, if retailers want to sell cards that people want to buy: then I don't have any issue with that at all. People spend their own money on what they want to spent it on. If that isn't religious cards: so be it. It's their money.

[MTVN]

People would probably buy tickets to see executions in the streets too. Perhaps we should just sit back and let that happen too?

After all, it's ok because people want to buy it :rolleyes:

You can hardly equate the two, but demand and supply is just the basic rule of economics, and it's the reason for the Christmas card imbalance

[Shaun]

I remember that Christmas I received a card with a knob joke and immediately wanted to see someone hanged :crazy:

[fruit_cake]

It seems to me that the unwritten point of the article is that society seems to have such low moral fibre these days. We prefer obscenity to religion.

Maybe I'm being prudish but it concerns me where it's all going.

[fruit_cake]

when public executions take place in the UK -let me know and I'll give you my thoughts on that.


Thanks, but I think I'd prefer to drown in boiling oil than hear your thoughts on anything at all.

[fruit_cake]

You can hardly equate the two, but demand and supply is just the basic rule of economics, and it's the reason for the Christmas card imbalance

just because things are economical, or profitable doesn't make them right though

[Shasown]

just because things are economical, or profitable doesn't make them right though

We live in a capitalist society where morals and taste have declined.

Sad fact of life.

[MTVN]

just because things are economical, or profitable doesn't make them right though

If you wanted to approach this from a Christian morality point of view, but most do not. The fact that a few posters have said they find Religious cards more offensive than obscene ones shows the subjectivity of morality

[Vicky.]

I remember that Christmas I received a card with a knob joke and immediately wanted to see someone hanged :crazy:

:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Thanks, but I think I'd prefer to drown in boiling oil than hear your thoughts on anything at all.

I'm entitled to put up my thoughts - if you don't like my posts - place me on ignore.

[Pyramid*]

just because things are economical, or profitable doesn't make them right though

It does as far as the economy is concerned - as long as the products are legal and allowed to be sold openly, and taxable. If we had no thriving businesses - products that people wanted to buy - where on earth would the country be then?

[Pyramid*]

I remember that Christmas I received a card with a knob joke and immediately wanted to see someone hanged :crazy:

Can't you find it online - give us all a wee laugh? :joker:

[lily.]

I remember that Christmas I received a card with a knob joke and immediately wanted to see someone hanged :crazy:

I already apologised for that.

God, you just can't let it go, can you... :bored:

[fruit_cake]

It does as far as the economy is concerned - as long as the products are legal and allowed to be sold openly, and taxable. If we had no thriving businesses - products that people wanted to buy - where on earth would the country be then?

I think we could live without obscene christmas cards if it were necessary tbh. The economy and profitability are being used here as an excuse for immorality imo. Still, people are free too choose whatever they like.

[Pyramid*]

I think we could live without obscene christmas cards if it were necessary tbh. The economy and profitability are being used here as an excuse for immorality imo


I don't. They bring a bit of fun, cheer, giggles and jolly good fun to many people.

Not everyone is religious - but many still celebrate Christmas in the modern day way.

There are far more immoral things going an all around us - every day of the week - Christmas is but one day a year - I really don't see it being any issue. I'm guessing most folk don't otherwise there would be a huge public outcry and uproar -and there isn't.

[Vicky.]

I think we could live without obscene christmas cards if it were necessary tbh. The economy and profitability are being used here as an excuse for immorality imo. Still, people are free too choose whatever they like.

We could live without a lot of things though.

But most dont want to, as they dont see trivial things like a humorous xmas card...rather than a boring nativity scene... as such a big deal D:

[Vicky.]

Flip the coin, I dont like getting the religious cards. Should I be moaning on and saying people should/could live without them and bringing morality into it?! Nah of course not. Just I personally would rather not receive them.

[Pyramid*]

We could live without a lot of things though.

But most dont want to, as they dont see trivial things like a humorous xmas card...rather than a boring nativity scene... as such a big deal D:


OT a bit - but I can't help but laugh at the talk of all thing immoral and then realising what your signature says. :joker:

[fruit_cake]

I don't. They bring a bit of fun, cheer, giggles and jolly good fun to many people.

Not everyone is religious - but many still celebrate Christmas in the modern day way.

There are far more immoral things going an all around us - every day of the week - Christmas is but one day a year - I really don't see it being any issue. I'm guessing most folk don't otherwise there would be a huge public outcry and uproar -and there isn't.

I disagree, there are over 700 comments on that article alone. I think people actually do care about morals but their voice is being drowned out and subversed.

[Pyramid*]

Flip the coin, I dont like getting the religious cards. Should I be moaning on and saying people should/could live without them and bringing morality into it?! Nah of course not. Just I personally would rather not receive them.

I put the religious (boring) ones away at the back or underneath - with all the nice cutesy glitterly, golden foil ones at the front. :blush2:

[Pyramid*]

I disagree, there are over 700 comments on that article alone. I think people actually do care about morals but their voice is being drowned out and subversed.

700 people out of how many of a readership for that particular paper - bearing in mind comments are global and not restricted to the UK for that paper? How does that quantify pro-rata based on the amount of people who actually purchase Christmas cards globally ? The tiniest, merest drop in the ocean.

[fruit_cake]

700 people out of how many of a readership for that particular paper - bearing in mind comments are global and not restricted to the UK for that paper? How does that quantify pro-rata based on the amount of people who actually purchase Christmas cards globally ? The tiniest, merest drop in the ocean.

It's by far the most commented on article I've read today.

[Harry!]

I really think it's about time people started being honest with what they think without "offending minority groups". Britain is a CHRISTIAN country and therefore we have a RIGHT to endorse it. If people don't like it be quiet, frankly. Politcal correctness sucks so bad!!! Honesty is the best policy. And mass Capatalism also sucks too!!!

[fruit_cake]

We could live without a lot of things though.

But most dont want to, as they dont see trivial things like a humorous xmas card...rather than a boring nativity scene... as such a big deal D:

well they don't want to fair enough, we all make choices. There's not going to be a devil that appears on your shoulder telling you to do it and a god that appears on the other saying don't do it like in the films.

Being a immoral is not a necessity it's a choice imo.

[Pyramid*]

It's by far the most commented on article I've read today.

That doesn't quite address the point I made though.

It could have 70,000 comments: but pro-rata, for the amount of Christmas cards that are purchased: still represents a mere blip in the amount of cards bought by those who do not prefer the religious theme/element.

[fruit_cake]

That doesn't quite address the point I made though.

It could have 70,000 comments: but pro-rata, for the amount of Christmas cards that are purchased: still represents a mere blip in the amount of cards bought by those who do not prefer the religious theme/element.

no idea what you're talking about sorry

[Pyramid*]

well they don't want to fair enough, we all make choices. There's not going to be a devil that appears on your shoulder telling you to do it and a god that appears on the other saying don't do it like in the films.

Being a immoral is not a necessity it's a choice imo.

Indeed. And I am absolutely sure that just about every one of us who has contributed to this thread, has made a choice at some point to do something that a.n.other person would regard as immoral - depending on each individual's moral compass. Whether that by buying a rude or jokey Christmas card: or something far less palatable.

[Harry!]

I am friends with a few non-Christian believers and I still give them Christmas cards, some are with a Muslim faith. And they are happy to recieve such cards, yes they do not have the sendimantal value for them personally, but it is a gift of good will.

If anybody is offended by "Merry Christmas" I would persoanlly would force them to go to Midnight Mass.

[Pyramid*]

no idea what you're talking about sorry

It was an incredibly simple post - very easy to understand - but in fairness, your response here now is far more polite than your earlier post.


Thanks, but I think I'd prefer to drown in boiling oil than hear your thoughts on anything at all.

[fruit_cake]

Indeed. And I am absolutely sure that just about every one of us who has contributed to this thread, has made a choice at some point to do something that a.n.other person would regard as immoral - depending on each individual's moral compass. Whether that by buying a rude or jokey Christmas card: or something far less palatable.

You speak for nobody other than yourself, not one single person. Please stop tarring everyone with your own moral bankrupcy

[Pyramid*]

I am friends with a few non-Christian believers and I still give them Christmas cards, some are with a Muslim faith. And they are happy to recieve such cards, yes they do not have the sendimantal value for them personally, but it is a gift of good will.

If anybody is offended by "Merry Christmas" I would persoanlly would force them to go to Midnight Mass.

Surely that's a step too far Harry.... NOT the Midnight Service. :shocked:

[Pyramid*]

You speak for nobody other than yourself, not one single person. Please stop tarring everyone with your own moral bankrupcy

LOL. I've highlighted the words in red that are important ones, the ones that you seem to have missed. Best not taking things out of context - the lines become rather blurry otherwise.

I have high moral standards thank you very much - but no need to get personal Fruitcake.




Indeed. And I am absolutely sure that just about every one of us who has contributed to this thread, has made a choice at some point to do something that a.n.other person would regard as immoral - depending on each individual's moral compass. Whether that by buying a rude or jokey Christmas card: or something far less palatable.

[Harry!]

Surely that's a step too far Harry.... NOT the Midnight Service. :shocked:

In that case, the offfended should "shut up!" then society is happy.

[Ammi]

Tbh there are only a couple of 'oldies' I send cards to..the rest is all emails and Ecards....imo the volume of cards sent at Christmas is far more damaging to the environment than it is to morality

[arista]

Surely that's a step too far Harry.... NOT the Midnight Service. :shocked:



Yes Harry Needs the Army

[fruit_cake]

LOL. I've highlighted the words in red that are important ones, the ones that you seem to have missed. Best not taking things out of context - the lines become rather blurry otherwise.

I have high moral standards thank you very much - but no need to get personal Fruitcake.

I'm not getting personal, don't flatter yourself. I'd rather boil in oil than comment on your personal life. I am stating that there are moral people in the world and this article is yet more evidence of it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it

[Pyramid*]

In that case, the offfended should "shut up!" then society is happy.
Praise be Harry.

The laugh is: the article in question makes mention of 4 of the most morally corrupt retailers around:.....pmsl -the very places that some folk are moaning about not being able to purchase religious cards in. :joker:

I know if I was that religious: I'd be purchasing my from local chapel/church etc - ensuring that the big racketeers weren't getting any profits - but it all going to the faith in which I place my trust!

[Scarlett.]

The UK simply doesnt have as big of a Christian population as it once had, so of course there is less religeous cards.

[Pyramid*]

You speak for nobody other than yourself, not one single person. Please stop tarring everyone with your own moral bankrupcy

I'm not getting personal, don't flatter yourself. I'd rather boil in oil than comment on your personal life. I am stating that there are moral people in the world and this article is yet more evidence of it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it



Originally Posted by christmas_cake http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4829224#post4829224)
Thanks, but I think I'd prefer to drown in boiling oil than hear your thoughts on anything at all.

I think you will find you are getting personal. There really is no need - it's all very light hearted Fruitcake.

More worryingly though: and more importantly. Should I be getting concerned about the amount of times you appear to want to boil yourself? Surely that's not worth it -all over a Christmas card thread.

Enter the jovial spirit - there's fun out there.

[Scarlett.]

I really think it's about time people started being honest with what they think without "offending minority groups". Britain is a CHRISTIAN country and therefore we have a RIGHT to endorse it. If people don't like it be quiet, frankly. Politcal correctness sucks so bad!!! Honesty is the best policy. And mass Capatalism also sucks too!!!

Really? Cause this says we're now more of an athiest country
http://i39.tinypic.com/lw8kh.jpg

[Harry!]

Praise be Harry.

The laugh is: the article in question makes mention of 4 of the most morally corrupt retailers around:.....pmsl -the very places that some folk are moaning about not being able to purchase religious cards in. :joker:

I know if I was that religious: I'd be purchasing my from local chapel/church etc - ensuring that the big racketeers weren't getting any profits - but it all going to the faith in which I place my trust!

Indeed, capitalism is far too huge in society today and I find that a shame. Such a trival matter but the Price of Freddo's is a huge indication of money grabbing at it's finest. I find it so wrong that big compaines can make such huge profits and the poor get poorer.

I know many people do not prefer to buy from their local because it is more expensive. Why? Because the big supermarkets sell items at ""cheap" prices with sneaky profits. So wrong.

[Harry!]

Really? Cause this says we're now more of an athiest country
http://i39.tinypic.com/lw8kh.jpg

Traditionally I may add.

[Pyramid*]

Really? Cause this says we're now more of an athiest country
http://i39.tinypic.com/lw8kh.jpg

Oh oh, the graphs are out. It's getting serious now. :(




Indeed, capitalism is far too huge in society today and I find that a shame. Such a trival matter but the Price of Freddo's is a huge indication of money grabbing at it's finest. I find it so wrong that big compaines can make such huge profits and the poor get poorer.

I know many people do not prefer to buy from their local because it is more expensive. Why? Because the big supermarkets sell items at ""cheap" prices with sneaky profits. So wrong.

:D

As a lover of Freddos - sadly, I am inclined to agee. :bawling:

[Scarlett.]

Traditionally I may add.

Traditionally we were pagans until the Romans came along. :spin:

[Harry!]

Please before you start I do NOT believe in communism. Because that doesn't work too.

[Pyramid*]

Please before you start I do NOT believe in communism. Because that doesn't work too.

RED KEN - Your secret is out. :hmph:


I bet you've got a stash of noveau rich cards with gorgeous Russian ladies on them, adorned with fine white furs and dripping with gold - promising all sorts of naughty goodies in Christmas Stockings. :nono:

Out sinner..... out.

[Shasown]

Please before you start I do NOT believe in communism. Because that doesn't work too.

Oh I dont know Cuba has done ok with its version

[fruit_cake]

Oh I dont know Cuba has done ok with its version

that's true, it's survived quite well really imo

[Pyramid*]

Oh I dont know Cuba has done ok with its version

Their cigars are the finest too .... all the more so when they are tantalisingly rolled, none too moralistically, along the slender thighs of some raven haired beauty beauty.

[fruit_cake]

Indeed, capitalism is far too huge in society today and I find that a shame. Such a trival matter but the Price of Freddo's is a huge indication of money grabbing at it's finest. I find it so wrong that big compaines can make such huge profits and the poor get poorer.

I know many people do not prefer to buy from their local because it is more expensive. Why? Because the big supermarkets sell items at ""cheap" prices with sneaky profits. So wrong.

big companies seem to have huge amounts of control over us, what are we supposed to do about it? :shrug:

[Pyramid*]

big companies seem to have huge amounts of control over us, what are we supposed to do about it? :shrug:

Complain that you can't find enough religious cards amongst their selection of Christmas cards?

Choose not to purchase anything from them in the first instance: shop at your local high street shops, local farms, local markets? Plenty that can be done if a person really wants to take the moral high ground - most of us don't though.

[Shasown]

Their cigars are the finest too .... all the more so when they are tantalisingly rolled, none too moralistically, along the slender thighs of some raven haired beauty beauty.

Nah thats just a marketing ploy, they are really rolled on the saggy and hairy thighs of dried up old crones.

[Pyramid*]

Nah thats just a marketing ploy, they are really rolled on the saggy and hairy thighs of dried up old crones.

:nono: Believe me: having seen my mother's face many years ago - as well as my father's ........ and me wondering why mother was about to implode: I can vouch for that.

Done quite nice in the Phillipines too btw...... another country that is highly religious.

[MTVN]

Can we refrain from getting too heated and personal in here please.

If you actually look at most Christmas traditions - the Tree, exchanging gifts, even the date itself - most of them actually pre date Christianity and stem from other religions. I see nothing wrong with the secularisation of Christmas

[Pyramid*]

Can we refrain from getting too heated and personal in here please.

If you actually look at most Christmas traditions - the Tree, exchanging gifts, even the date itself - most of them actually pre date Christianity and stem from other religions. I see nothing wrong with the secularisation of Christmas

Proof indeed that religion is more hassle than it's worth: - it's people's own money to buy what they want, where they want and for whatever reason they want, for whom they want : some people like the fun element of Christmas - some don't. C'est la vie.

[fruit_cake]

Can we refrain from getting too heated and personal in here please.


:nono: Believe me: having seen my mother's face many years ago - as well as my father's ........ and me wondering why mother was about to implode: I can vouch for that.

Done quite nice in the Phillipines too btw...... another country that is highly religious.

Pyramid has said that this thread is not about her. She is absolutely right!

so why then, are we having to hear never asked for personal stories about her 'mother and father's face'

it's time the double standard stopped. If people are not allowed to speak about Pyramid personally, then it seems logical that we also have the right not to have to our threads constantly slobbered on by her personal stories.

[Pyramid*]

I'm not getting personal, don't flatter yourself. I'd rather boil in oil than comment on your personal life. I am stating that there are moral people in the world and this article is yet more evidence of it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it

Pyramid has said that this thread is not about her. She is absolutely right!

so why then, are we having to hear never asked for personal stories about her 'mother and father's face'

it's time the double standard stopped. If people are not allowed to speak about Pyramid personally, then it seems logical that we also have the right not to have to our threads constantly slobbered on by her personal stories.

Deary me.

If I wish to bring in a personal reference: there is nothing to stop that - I believe you referred on this very thread to you, to boiling yourself on several occasions. No one asked you about your penchance for dipping yourself in hot oil etc. The thread isn't about you -but I'm not complaining when you do that.

Shouldn't you be taking this off the thread anyway. :conf:

[fruit_cake]

Deary me.


:bawling:

[Pyramid*]

:bawling:

Well....hell mend you - that's what happens when you go about dipping yourself in hot oil. Whoever gave you that advice, gave you bad advice.
:nono:

It's not taken your mind off the whole lack of moral fibre issue relating to religious Christmas cards has it ? :shocked:

[fruit_cake]

never mind Pyr..here have one for the road http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAoGHN5oGrBD2rY8UDtLOu8uOizSHcX ZF5YBbcT5L1ktb8Mggt

[Pyramid*]

never mind Pyr..here have one for the road http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAoGHN5oGrBD2rY8UDtLOu8uOizSHcX ZF5YBbcT5L1ktb8Mggt

Oh that's a terrible photo..... :nono: As for flat beer in large pitcher jugs, no thank you, so terribly unladylike. In fact - is that a plastic cup I see as well......... oh no, I have far more class than that. :D

Now weren't you complaining vehemently about this thread not being about me - yet here you are turning it right back into that. :conf:

[Harry!]

I wish I didn't spend most of the last hour reading the comments on the DM link, full of internal rage !

[Pyramid*]

I wish I didn't spend most of the last hour reading the comments on the DM link, full of internal rage !


:joker:

Tee hee........ I can think of far better things to be getting all full of internal rage about - a few moaners in a paper going on about being able to buy their religious Christmas cards - really is never going to one of them!! I think it's hilarious.

Much ado about nothing.

[Shasown]

I wish I didn't spend most of the last hour reading the comments on the DM link, full of internal rage !

Harry I love reading through those comments, some of them show you why the world is the way it is. The UK in particular, little Britain is really a seeming mass of bigotry and intolerance

[MTVN]

A good way to find the most rational viewpoints on a topic is to go to the DM comment section and read the "worst rated" ones

[Pyramid*]

Harry I love reading through those comments, some of them show you why the world is the way it is. The UK in particular, little Britain is really a seeming mass of bigotry and intolerance

Well, speaking for mesums here - I'm happy to socialise with the Kafflick Cats as well as the Proddy dugs and anything in between - and I'm not too bothered what colour they are.

I do prefer that they smoke though. I also prefer that they are non bible thumpers.

More importantly though: I don't particularly mind what kind of Christmas card they send me - though I have a preference for cute ones.

[Pyramid*]

A good way to find the most rational viewpoints on a topic is to go to the DM comment section and read the "worst rated" ones


Isn't that a wee touch of an oxymoron there :p

[Vicky.]

A good way to find the most rational viewpoints on a topic is to go to the DM comment section and read the "worst rated" ones

PMSL. How true :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh I dont know Cuba has done ok with its version

:hugesmile: