"This is my story" Deceased boy's video about near death experiences

[Scarlett.]

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The video was made 18th December 2011, he died Christmas Day night

R.I.P. Ben :sad:

[Suze]

That is so terribly sad :( I am glad he had his belief, it must have helped so very much to sustain him at times. So sad he was taken at such a young age though :(

[Ammi]

Heartbreaking...an incredible acceptance..an amazing boy

[MeMyselfAndI]

I'm not going to watch it, seems sad:(

[blandchild]

Actually it is quite uplifting as he clearly meant it to be.

[Scarlett.]

Actually it is quite uplifting as he clearly meant it to be.

Yep, it made me feel a lot better knowing there could be something after we die

[Ramsay]

Jeez thats horrible poor guy :(
RIP

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yep, it made me feel a lot better knowing there could be something after we die

dont be ridiculous

there is nothing

[Visage]

That's incredibly sad. What age was he ?

[bbfan1991]

So sad:(.

[Scarlett.]

dont be ridiculous

there is nothing

Prove it.

[arista]

That is so terribly sad :( I am glad he had his belief, it must have helped so very much to sustain him at times. So sad he was taken at such a young age though :(






He may have needed better Care.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079098/Ben-Breedlove-Video-sick-teenager-life-1-week-died.html

[joeysteele]

Really brave young guy, a totally sad but really inspirational message.

[Z]

That was interesting to watch.

[GypsyGoth]

I watched the first few seconds, I don't think I'm in the mood to look at it now, he did have nice handwriting though.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I read about it but haven't watched a video yet. There was an interesting comment in dailymail that people that experience near death always seem to see heaven with the warm light and everything but nobody ever experiences hell. That is true. I want to hear someone that stood in front of the gates of hell gosh darnit. I want them to tell us that they saw elvis, james dean and Heath ledger shoveling bloody coal into a fire while walking barefoot on burning ground.

[Stu]

I believe near death experience is caused by a massive release of dimethyltryptamine from your brains pineal gland.

I'm amazed people always jump to the spiritual conclusion. Your brain is more than capable of coming up with some weird out stuff all on it's own.

[King Gizzard]

Think this is the account he posted them on, in two parts, different music

http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalRandomness512

[Scarlett.]

I believe near death experience is caused by a massive release of dimethyltryptamine from your brains pineal gland.

I'm amazed people always jump to the spiritual conclusion. Your brain is more than capable of coming up with some weird out stuff all on it's own.

Even if we are simply "a ghost in the machine", a mistake of a few cells joining together to form a concious being, I think that we might have an eternal dream, and to us, that dream is the afterlife. I don't believe there is a almighty being, though their could be some sort of energy that we rejoin when we die. It's not impossible that some sort of life force is real, we barely know anything about the universe.

[lostalex]

It doesn't matter if God or heaven is real or not, it's still nice to know that death isn't scary eigther way. It's really sad that he's gone now, but at least we know he really is resting in peace, and it was actually a nice experience for him.

I don't really fear death, but i do fear dying. I'm scared of how overwhelming the actual FEAR will be in that moment that you know yu are dying, so the fact that when he did die a few times, he wasn't very scared and he felt comforted by something (whether angels or a release of brain chemicals it doesn't matter) is very reassuring.

[King Gizzard]

Not really scared of death, just hate what my family would be like

[Stu]

Eternal nothingness is okay if your dressed for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Prove it.

I dont need to it is up to whoever believes such illogical superstition to prove that they have a basis for their claptrap.

This is why science and logic works and superstition and religion does not....:spin:

[Scarlett.]

I dont need to it is up to whoever believes such illogical superstition to prove that they have a basis for their claptrap.

This is why science and logic works and superstition and religion does not....:spin:

You do need to prove it, but you simply can't, so you refuse, fair enough.

I don't know what to believe, the universe is a magnificent place, science is only scratching the surface. It's not beyond logic and reason to assume there are forces we don't know about, but I do agree that the whole "God" thing is rather silly.

[MTVN]

I dont need to it is up to whoever believes such illogical superstition to prove that they have a basis for their claptrap.

This is why science and logic works and superstition and religion does not....:spin:

Science and religion aren't antithetical, most of the great Scientists in history were also Christians; Galileo, Newton, Darwin etc.

I don't believe in a Christian God, but there is yet to be a Scientific truth that contradicts the possibility of something existing beyond our understanding. I wouldn't attribute the kid's visions to something supernatural though, I think it's more likely the brain was playing tricks on him. Sad video all the same

[daniel-lewis-1985]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Science and religion aren't antithetical, most of the great Scientists in history were also Christians; Galileo, Newton, Darwin etc.

I don't believe in a Christian God, but there is yet to be a Scientific truth that contradicts the possibility of something existing beyond our understanding. I wouldn't attribute the kid's visions to something supernatural though, I think it's more likely the brain was playing tricks on him. Sad video all the same

Your first point is not strictly correct and is simply a reflection on the make-up of society at that time than saying that great minds were also Christian - as they were not and continue not to be.

taking a anti-christian stance at that time would have meant the end of their research and livelihood - they were not daft, just scientists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You do need to prove it, but you simply can't, so you refuse, fair enough.snip

I do not, neither do I have to disprove unicorns, leprechauns, mediums, trolls, dragons and other made up stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_burden_of_evidence

[Sam:)]

:laugh: You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

[Vicky.]

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous D:

[Scarlett.]

I do not, neither do I have to disprove unicorns, leprechauns, mediums, trolls, dragons and other made up stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_burden_of_evidence

No, you're right, humans should never think outside the box, they should think strictly in the box, because thats how all the great theories of the universe originated, isn't it? Can you not even acknowledge that there might be more to living beings than we know?

Afterall, you only have to look at the universe to see how truely magnificent, mysterious and "magical" it is. I say magical, but of course, it's science, but can't science be magical? After all, science has given us technology that our ancestors would have mistaken for witchcraft.

[MTVN]

Your first point is not strictly correct and is simply a reflection on the make-up of society at that time than saying that great minds were also Christian - as they were not and continue not to be.

taking a anti-christian stance at that time would have meant the end of their research and livelihood - they were not daft, just scientists.

Well Galileo was convicted of heresy and Newtons religious views were far from orthodox so it's not like they were just pretending to be stooges of the Church, both were still Christians though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well Galileo was convicted of heresy and Newtons religious views were far from orthodox so it's not like they were just pretending to be stooges of the Church, both were still Christians though

A true christian would have no need to look for any answers beyond god. there were about as christian as arista

[InOne]

:laugh: You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

All Atheists don't. And it's Religious people I usually see shouting in the street damning people to hell. Why don't they respect that an Atheist doesn't believe? Don't go pretending that Theists are some sort of victim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh: You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

Well you get a gold star for being so good but i am taking it off you again for the "old persecution chestnut"...

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, you're right, humans should never think outside the box, they should think strictly in the box, because thats how all the great theories of the universe originated, isn't it? Can you not even acknowledge that there might be more to living beings than we know?

Afterall, you only have to look at the universe to see how truely magnificent, mysterious and "magical" it is. I say magical, but of course, it's science, but can't science be magical? After all, science has given us technology that our ancestors would have mistaken for witchcraft.

sorry, what point are you making though?:conf:

[Scarlett.]

All Atheists don't. And it's Religious people I usually see shouting in the street damning people to hell. Why don't they respect that an Atheist doesn't believe? Don't go pretending that Theists are some sort of victim. All religeous people don't shout in the street, athiests are getting as bad by constantly berating quiet religeous people for their beliefs

sorry, what point are you making though?:conf:

That it's not impossible there is some form of afterlife

[MTVN]

A true christian would have no need to look for any answers beyond god. there were about as christian as arista

Examining the way the world works, the way things are and the way they happen isn't looking for answers beyond God, it's looking for answers within God, and within the framework of his creation

[Crimson Dynamo]

Examining the way the world works, the way things are and the way they happen isn't looking for answers beyond God, it's looking for answers within God, and within the framework of his creation

Unfortunately it did not pan out that way and was the very reason why no one believes in god now in developed countries and why religion has been pushed back to backward nations and continents.

[Stu]

:laugh: You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do
All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..:conf:

[InOne]

All religeous people don't shout in the street, athiests are getting as bad by constantly berating quiet religeous people for their beliefs



That it's not impossible there is some form of afterlife

I never said all religious people did. But at least when Atheists do do it, they do it in an intelligent manner and not rant and rave in the street like some loon. And nobody really berates the people themselves, they simply point out the flaws and contradictions in the Religion they follow. It's up to them if they listen or not. This "agressive atheism" movement is vastly exaggerated. The only place you mostly find it is on the net.

[Scarlett.]

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..:conf:

I do agree with that, you only have to look at America to figure out why religeon shouldn't be a factor in politics, any old guy can get into a position of power by wittering on about god in the deep South.

[Stu]

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

[MTVN]

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

[InOne]

God, Sticks with his mini novel post with lots of links and a cheeky reminder he moderates a Science forum or whatever it is :joker:

[InOne]

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Even on DS there are about 5 believers and all are fairly hopeless.

But its not the people, its the baseless stance that religion gives them.

[Sam:)]

I don't believe in hell, in a way I don't believe in any of it (if anyone was outside barrots in Henry Street at around 4 you would have seen me tell some american preacher to **** off. Its just comforting to think that when we die that its not the end.

[MTVN]

Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

Yeah that's probably right, I did actually read recently how Dawkins declined to attend a debate with some top Christian theologist or something, might have had a reasonable explanation but the article I was reading was pretty much implying he was a bit of a cop out

[Jake.]

I dont need to it is up to whoever believes such illogical superstition to prove that they have a basis for their claptrap.

This is why science and logic works and superstition and religion does not....:spin:

Oh my. I never knew that there was a problem with believing in heaven and god and all that. Im a catholic (not a full-on one) and I believe in both (the belief of heaven and the theroy of science) . But I am able to accept different views, because any could be true. Whether there is or not doesn't matter, sometimes believing in these sorts of things gives people comfort. It doesn't make it wrong or claptrap. I would rather live my life believing some day, I shall meet with my members of family who are deceased, rather than live thinking that when I die, I die, and that is it. Bashing people who believe in things such as heaven and the bible does not make your point any more valid. Rant over.

[Z]

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?

[Stu]

Oh my. I never knew that there was a problem with believing in heaven and god and all that. Im a catholic (not a full-on one) and I believe in both (the belief of heaven and the theroy of science) . But I am able to accept different views, because any could be true. Whether there is or not doesn't matter, sometimes believing in these sorts of things gives people comfort. It doesn't make it wrong or claptrap. I would rather live my life believing some day, I shall meet with my members of family who are deceased, rather than live thinking that when I die, I die, and that is it. Bashing people who believe in things such as heaven and the bible does not make your point any more valid. Rant over.
What about hell? Do you believe in that? Because both exist and are very real places according to The Bible. Or are you one of those people who conveniently believes in only the good stuff or chalks hell up to a state of mind or something like that?

And there is no need for debate on if The Bible is wrong or claptrap. It is. Whatever about spirituality as a whole but The Bible is hillariously fallible, contradictory and historically unaccurate. With most of the best stuff toward the end being hijacked from other older traditions.

But I assume your well versed in it. Being a Catholic you've surely read it cover to cover by now?

[fruit_cake]

It seems to me that you either believe or you don't. The boy in the video clearly believes, others in this thread clearly don't :shrug:

[Z]

...yeah? :tongue:

[Stu]

And even that simplification isin't accurate. What about fence sitters and people who have not made up their minds yet?

Agnostics, yo. Word.

[fruit_cake]

And even that simplification isin't accurate. What about fence sitters and people who have not made up their minds yet?

Agnostics, yo. Word.

I'd say they are non believers

[arista]

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?



Are You On Weed or Something


As that will Never Happen on this Planet of No God

[Jake.]

What about hell? Do you believe in that? Because both exist and are very real places according to The Bible. Or are you one of those people who conveniently believes in only the good stuff or chalks hell up to a state of mind or something like that?

And there is no need for debate on if The Bible is wrong or claptrap. It is. Whatever about spirituality as a whole but The Bible is hillariously fallible, contradictory and historically unaccurate. With most of the best stuff toward the end being hijacked from other older traditions.

But I assume your well versed in it. Being a Catholic you've surely read it cover to cover by now?

The Bible is a book of morals, not real stories, Iv'e always known that. Being a Catholic doesnt mean I go to church or read both, because I do neither. And honestly, I believe that there is a place such as hell where those who derserve to be there are there. Being a Catholic doesn't mean I force my views on other people, and as stated before I'm not a hugely religious one, I have my own beliefs just like everyone else in the world.

[Stu]

The Bible is a book of morals, not real stories, Iv'e always known that. Being a Catholic doesnt mean I go to church or read both, because I do neither. And honestly, I believe that there is a place such as hell where those who derserve to be there are there. Being a Catholic doesn't mean I force my views on other people, and as stated before I'm not a hugely religious one, I have my own beliefs just like everyone else in the world.
So you consider yourself a Christian but do not participate in the two most important aspects of your faith : Sacrifice and Scripture?

That's an odd one. And yes there is plenty of stories in The Bible. And I'm not just talking about the parables. Any sort of Christian worth his or her salt is quite clearly meant to believe it is also a rough historic document.

You appear to have concocted your own religion though. So which bits are stories not made to be taken seriously? Was that whole Jesus bit a story?

I'm sorry if I appear like I'm coming down hard but this stuff just baffles me.

[Shaun]

i'd feel sad for him if he hadn't used that music in the video. It's like Michael Bay teamed up with Magnetic Man.

[Tom]

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous D:

Yes you can

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

[Niamh.]

Yes you can



Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

How?

[Tom]

How?

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Just found this on Google also

The Bible and the Church says that:
1. God is omnibenevolent. He has infinite love for all humans.
2. God is omniscience. He knows everything there is.
3. God is omnipotent. He can do anything he wants.


The problem of Evil and Suffering
1. As God is omnibenevolent he wouldn’t want us to suffer.
2. If we were suffering God would know how, why and how to stop it
3. God is omnipotent and can do anything he wants.

So God can't exist. And if he does its not in the form he's expected and so you begin to chip away at this so called God.

Seems pretty logical and straight forward enough to me?

/a level religion

[Niamh.]

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Offering an alternative explanation isn't proof though and no one can prove that a childs imaginary friend doesn't actually exist either

[Stu]

In the case of a childs imaginary friend you have the foreknowledge that it's made up though. Well ... much easier foreknowledge.

A better example would be my old favourite : The Space Wolves.

Prove Space Wolves don't exist i.e. destroy my dreams.

[fruit_cake]

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution) :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution) :shrug:

Unfortunately, I lean more towards random and pointless. I mean, if something is in control of our destiny and fate, why do bad things happen to good people? Why are innocent children killed in accidents or get life threatening diseases? Answer: Because it's all random and pointless

[Stu]

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution) :shrug:
You are simplifying it way, way too much. What about Deism? Whereby a godhead figure kickstarted the universe but has no involvement with it? What about a belief system where someone believes in Evolution but doesn't believe it's all random? What about the multitude of spiritual belief systems one can conjure up without the need for a godhead?

And The Bible is one of the biggest 'spiritual' tracts in the world hence why people are mentioning it. It's relevant because people believe it to an extent and others are interested in knowing why or how. It's not that hard to figure out, is it? People like debating things out. There's no harm in that. Obviously you can throw stock statements like "Some people believe, and some people don't" out until the cows come home but all they are are null platitudes that don't really add anything to the discussion.

[Niamh.]

In the case of a childs imaginary friend you have the foreknowledge that it's made up though. Well ... much easier foreknowledge.

A better example would be my old favourite : The Space Wolves.

Prove Space Wolves don't exist i.e. destroy my dreams.

I saw a space wolf once :idc:

[Stu]

http://api.ning.com/files/vek4H8iRNlMJJbj0nX-AN0Vx7yaEgIGP2LsMpRLJzEQChtqRj6xsl5Iaeq3g2ipp-LdIquRus7KF6tQr633l5i7fWeLNxFURMZk0EhLWzYE_/xfilesbelieve.jpg

[fruit_cake]

Unfortunately, I lean more towards random and pointless. I mean, if something is in control of our destiny and fate, why do bad things happen to good people? Why are innocent children killed in accidents or get life threatening diseases? Answer: Because it's all random and pointless

It seems to me that we all have a set of morals inbuilt in our heads, some of us ignore them others don't though. Why would we have that? we all know whats right and wrong. Bad things happen according to the bible because the devil is in control of the world and weak people are seduced by him :shrug:

[fruit_cake]

You are simplifying it way, way too much. What about Deism? Whereby a godhead figure kickstarted the universe but has no involvement with it? What about a belief system where someone believes in Evolution but doesn't believe it's all random? What about the multitude of spiritual belief systems one can conjure up without the need for a godhead?

And The Bible is one of the biggest 'spiritual' tracts in the world hence why people are mentioning it. It's relevant because people believe it to an extent and others are interested in knowing why or how. It's not that hard to figure out, is it? People like debating things out. There's no harm in that. Obviously you can throw stock statements like "Some people believe, and some people don't" out until the cows come home but all they are are null platitudes that don't really add anything to the discussion.

maybe you're complicating it too much I don't know I don't think religion is a complicated thing really, not that I know that much about it or anything

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[MTVN]

It seems to me that we all have a set of morals inbuilt in our heads, some of us ignore them others don't though. Why would we have that? we all know whats right and wrong. Bad things happen according to the bible because the devil is in control of the world and weak people are seduced by him :shrug:

But what is morally acceptable has varied so much throughout history and it still does across the world today, morality is all relative

[Jake.]

So you consider yourself a Christian but do not participate in the two most important aspects of your faith : Sacrifice and Scripture?

That's an odd one. And yes there is plenty of stories in The Bible. And I'm not just talking about the parables. Any sort of Christian worth his or her salt is quite clearly meant to believe it is also a rough historic document.

You appear to have concocted your own religion though. So which bits are stories not made to be taken seriously? Was that whole Jesus bit a story?

I'm sorry if I appear like I'm coming down hard but this stuff just baffles me.

If you honestly think that EVERY catholic believes in the bible, then your deluded. Of course I think Jesus was real. That doesnt mean that I have to believe that a 700 year old man enjoyed a boatride with ***** loads of animals. Oh, and you don' t need to come down hard on me, because you do not know me and you have no say in what I believe in.

[Stu]

If you honestly think that EVERY catholic believes in the bible, then your deluded. Of course I think Jesus was real. That doesnt mean that I have to believe that a 700 year old man enjoyed a boatride with ***** loads of animals. Oh, and you don' t need to come down hard on me, because you do not know me and you have no say in what I believe in.
A Catholic believes The Bible as the word of God. If you don't you're not a Catholic in the churchs eyes. You're a mickey mouse Catholic. Something else entirely. That is a fact. It's like me deciding to refer to myself as an African American sailor. I'm not black and I don't own a boat.

Jesus was a Jew. He studied and believed in the Torah. Why would you not believe what your own living God and personal saviour believes in?

You don't find that a bit quaint? I suppose Jesus, much like you, decided the bits he didn't fancy were "just stories" as well?

[Niamh.]

If you honestly think that EVERY catholic believes in the bible, then your deluded. Of course I think Jesus was real. That doesnt mean that I have to believe that a 700 year old man enjoyed a boatride with ***** loads of animals. Oh, and you don' t need to come down hard on me, because you do not know me and you have no say in what I believe in.

Seriously? The whole basis of the Catholic Religion is believing in the Bible. If you don't then you're not really a Catholic.

[fruit_cake]

But what is morally acceptable has varied so much throughout history and it still does across the world today, morality is all relative

'morality is relative', is the sort of phrase that would come straight out of the mouth of the devil himself!!!

[MTVN]

'morality is relative', is the sort of phrase that would come straight out of the mouth of the devil himself!!!

:joker:

The Devil > :hmph:

[Jake.]

A Catholic believes The Bible as the word of God. If you don't you're not a Catholic in the churchs eyes. You're a mickey mouse Catholic. Something else entirely. That is a fact. It's like me deciding to refer to myself as an African American sailor. I'm not black and I don't own a boat.

Jesus was a Jew. He studied and believed in the Torah. Why would you not believe what your own living God and personal saviour believes in?

You don't find that a bit quaint? I suppose Jesus, much like you, decided the bits he didn't fancy were "just stories" as well?

Oh dear, Im not a Catholic in the eyes of the corrupt church? I suppose quite a few Catholic priests are not true Catholics then, because the last time I knew the Bible doesn't preach shagging the choir boy. I cannot make my views any more clear... I believe in Jesus and God and heaven and that whole shabang, and I believe that many of the Bibles stories are morals to help guide are lives. Okay?

[Stu]

Oh dear, Im not a Catholic in the eyes of the corrupt church? I suppose quite a few Catholic priests are not true Catholics then, because the last time I knew the Bible doesn't preach shagging the choir boy. I cannot make my views any more clear... I believe in Jesus and God and heaven and that whole shabang, and I believe that many of the Bibles stories are morals to help guide are lives. Okay?
Playing the corrupt church card doesn't really reset the argument back to nought. You have your own, altered belief system. I wouldn't call it Catholicism. Catholicism is built on quite a clear foundation of beliefs. If you aren't going to make yourself compatible with all of them it's pointless calling yourself Catholic because in doing so you're identifying with what you correctly pointed out is quite a corrupt church.

Your beliefs in my opinion are still totally whimsical considering it comes down to the scientific, tight shipped tour de force of "I believe these bits and not these bits because ... well I feel like it I guess" but obviously that's an argument destined for going in circles so I won't bother with it.

[fruit_cake]

Playing the corrupt church card doesn't really reset the argument back to nought. You have your own, altered belief system. I wouldn't call it Catholicism. Catholicism is built on quite a clear foundation of beliefs. If you aren't going to make yourself compatible with all of them it's pointless calling yourself Catholic because in doing so you're identifying with what you correctly pointed out is quite a corrupt church.

Your beliefs in my opinion are still totally whimsical considering it comes down to the scientific, tight shipped tour de force of "I believe these bits and not these bits because ... well I feel like it I guess" but obviously that's an argument destined for going in circles so I won't bother with it.

I don't see what's wrong with believing the bits that feel right to us? It's a lot less crazy than trusting a load of "scientists" ,mostly with vested interests, to tell us about how the world works imo

[InOne]

Scientific theories are based on facts. Faith is based on faith.

[Niamh.]

I don't see what's wrong with believing the bits that feel right to us? It's a lot less crazy than trusting a load of "scientists" ,mostly with vested interests, to tell us about how the world works imo

There's nothing wrong with that, the point is, you can't just pick and choose bits of a certain religion that you like and disregard the bits you don't but still claim to be a follower of said religion.

[Stu]

I don't see what's wrong with believing the bits that feel right to us? It's a lot less crazy than trusting a load of "scientists" ,mostly with vested interests, to tell us about how the world works imo
What on earth are you talking about? What an odd comparison to make. Science has been stretched to agendas in the past, yes, but it is on the whole a fool proof system for proving things and making the world work. Hospitals were built by science. Rockets were put in the sky by science. Science works. It hasn't got all the answers yet but it's not meant to. It's an ever evolving, ever growing network of proven things. What do you think religious people do first when someone has a heart attack, say a prayer or phone an ambulance?

How in any of Daffy Duck's wettest dreams can you draw up a comparison between that and picking and choosing segments of some dog eared, highly altered, bronze age tract where the only criteria for validity and factuality being liking some bits but not others? Do you not think The Bible had vested interests?

It doesn't even bear thinking about. Just mental, really.

[fruit_cake]

There's nothing wrong with that, the point is, you can't just pick and choose bits of a certain religion that you like and disregard the bits you don't but still claim to be a follower of said religion.

It's not a logical thing to do I guess, I agree with that part.

What on earth are you talking about? What an odd comparison to make. Science has been stretched to agendas in the past, yes, but it is on the whole a fool proof system for proving things and making the world work. Hospitals were built by science. Rockets were put in the sky by science. Science works. It hasn't got all the answers yet but it's not meant to. It's an ever evolving, ever growing network of proven things. What do you think religious people do first when someone has a heart attack, say a prayer of phone and ambulance?

How in any of Daffy Duck's wettest dreams can you draw up a comparison between that and picking and choosing segments of some dog eared, highly altered, bronze age tract where the only criteria for validity and factuality being liking some bits but not others?

It doesn't even bear thinking about. Just mental, really.

do all these rockets, hospitals, etc make you feel any better about dying and the scientific idea that the whole of life is really just pointless and random? They don't make me feel any better personally

[Stu]

It's not a logical thing to do I guess no I agree with that part.



do all these rockets, hospitals, etc make you feel any better about dying and the scientific idea that the whole of life is really just pointless and random? They don't make me feel any better personally
Life is pointless? What kind of life do you lead where you need spirituality to give it a point? Life is far from pointless. Sex feels great, food tastes great, I love people and they love me. I'm having a ball. Are you saying you can't find a point in anything without a god?

I don't need to feel any better about dying. I feel fine about it. If the universe is a lucky dip then I'm thankful I have one shot at this crazy, absurd adventure before going in the ground. I can say hand on heart that's more than satisfying for me.

I do however feel pretty tip top about living in a world where we can put people in space and help them if they feel sick. I dig buildings, have a love affair with television and just can't get enough of hot running water.

Why is it people always use religion to feel better? What if God is a bit of a wanker and you're going to hell? I'll take the godless option. No hell below us, above us only sky.

[fruit_cake]

Life is pointless? What kind of life do you lead where you need spirituality to give it a point? Life is far from pointless. Sex feels great, food tastes great, I love people and they love me. I'm having a ball. Are you saying you can't find a point in anything without a god?

I don't need to feel any better about dying. I feel fine about it. If the universe is a lucky dip then I'm thankful I have one shot at this crazy, absurd adventure before going in the ground. I can say hand on heart that's more than satisfying for me.

I do however feel pretty tip top about living in a world where we can put people in space and help them if they feel sick. I dig buildings, have a love affair with television and just can't get enough of hot running water.

Why is it people always use religion to feel better? What if God is a bit of a wanker and you're going to hell? I'll take the godless option. No hell below us, above us only sky.

it's a good argument you make, I guess it's upto everyone to choose what's right for them really

[Jake.]

Playing the corrupt church card doesn't really reset the argument back to nought. You have your own, altered belief system. I wouldn't call it Catholicism. Catholicism is built on quite a clear foundation of beliefs. If you aren't going to make yourself compatible with all of them it's pointless calling yourself Catholic because in doing so you're identifying with what you correctly pointed out is quite a corrupt church.

Your beliefs in my opinion are still totally whimsical considering it comes down to the scientific, tight shipped tour de force of "I believe these bits and not these bits because ... well I feel like it I guess" but obviously that's an argument destined for going in circles so I won't bother with it.

I don't believe in certain things and believe in others because I 'feel like it'. I have faith and beliefs in things which I can believe in. I don't really care if it doesn't make me a Catholic for not wanting to believe in, well, frankly a load a sh*te which to me is not believable. Maybe I shouldn't have been baptised, had a communion and conformation. For all I know in 20 years time I might look back at it and think it was a mistake. However, I believe in what I wish to believe in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's a good argument you make, I guess it's upto everyone to choose what's right for them really

yes based on reality not made up bs

[Brother Leon]

Science militants...:sleep:


Anyway on topc, I only just heard about this.....Nice to see he had such strong belief and it made him feel comfortable during very tough situations. That is the important thing not if you believe in Science or Religion or the Tooth fairy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Science militants...:sleep:


Anyway on topc, I only just heard about this.....Nice to see he had such strong belief and it made him feel comfortable during very tough situations. That is the important thing not if you believe in Science or Religion or the Tooth fairy.

"not if you believe in Science"

:joker:

[Patrick]

OMG. :bawling:

[Patrick]

Wait, why didn't he just talk?

[Scarlett.]

It's sort of a thing that started from a bullying video that the person holds up the flashcards so that they can "talk" without crying

[Me. I Am Salman]

link doesnt work?

[Kazanne]

I read about it but haven't watched a video yet. There was an interesting comment in dailymail that people that experience near death always seem to see heaven with the warm light and everything but nobody ever experiences hell. That is true. I want to hear someone that stood in front of the gates of hell gosh darnit. I want them to tell us that they saw elvis, james dean and Heath ledger shoveling bloody coal into a fire while walking barefoot on burning ground.

maybe this is hell and Heaven is waiting

[HBB1508]

maybe this is hell and Heaven is waiting

I've always thought life here is hell and then we move on to something better once we've learnt our lessons here - we must be on the same wavelength as most people I mention this to seem to think I'm mad..... but it sort of makes sense to me.

[lostalex]

is it just me or is all this arguing about stupid semantics totally MISSING THE FOOKING POINT OF THE VIDEO.

Watch it again if you don't get it. Close yur mouth and watch it again, and try to figure out what yur missing, cause yur obviously missing the point. FFS.

Try to not have an opinion for 1 moment in your life, close yur mouth long enuf to actually try to listen to what he was trying to tell you.

[Patrick]

^ We get it, can you just ******ing calm down for two seconds.

[Marsh.]

R.I.P. I hope he's having a great time in that peaceful place. Inspiration.