Isnt is disgusting that USA will not elect an atheist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is wrong with that country, when will it grow up?:conf:

[billy123]

They are a bit backwards but they are kept that way for a reason.
Its easier to control people when they are uneducated.
only 37% of americans own a passport they even restrict themselves to watching sports that are more or less only played in the usa
it is staggering how isolated they are kept and the scary part is they dont even realise it.
I am obviously talking in general no american would admit to being like that but its true.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_onQvIg4FVII/Sn3AXWll1LI/AAAAAAAAB5Y/FtotHWM6YJQ/s400/Moron.jpg

[rk3388]

i dont think its disgusting, it all depends what they believe in.
And i dont blame people for not liking atheism, because it is based off not believing in any god.
Therefore i dont think it's fair to go around telling people what they should not believe in.

I know some forms of catholic try to shove their religions down peoples throats, but its equal with atheists demanding to people what they shouldn't belive in and that "science" proves theirs no god, when really theres no connection between religion and evolution discovered ( you can believe in both of them, one doesn't prove the other one wrong)

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dont think its disgusting, it all depends what they believe in.
And i dont blame people for not liking atheism, because it is based off not believing in any god.
Therefore i dont think it's fair to go around telling people what they should not believe in.

I know some forms of catholic try to shove their religions down peoples throats, but its equal with atheists demanding to people what they shouldn't belive in and that "science" proves theirs no god, when really theres no connection between religion and evolution discovered ( you can believe in both of them, one doesn't prove the other one wrong)

Sorry what?

:conf:

[Photon]

I think rk3388 is just repeating the nonsense that gets spoon fed to people in an effort to get them to dislike atheists even more.

[Stu]

i dont think its disgusting, it all depends what they believe in.
And i dont blame people for not liking atheism, because it is based off not believing in any god.
Therefore i dont think it's fair to go around telling people what they should not believe in.

I know some forms of catholic try to shove their religions down peoples throats, but its equal with atheists demanding to people what they shouldn't belive in and that "science" proves theirs no god, when really theres no connection between religion and evolution discovered ( you can believe in both of them, one doesn't prove the other one wrong)
Wonderful. Another "atheism is like ... totally comparable to religion it's just reversed!" argument.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wonderful. Another "atheism is like ... totally comparable to religion it's just reversed!" argument.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jFCR9oUJSl0/Tqb-WH5VuHI/AAAAAAAABNw/iw0MqwhUjms/s1600/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg

[Roy Mars III]

It is sad that anyone who is not Christian doesn't have a chance becoming president, but hopefully that will change in the future.

[Roy Mars III]

i dont think its disgusting, it all depends what they believe in.
And i dont blame people for not liking atheism, because it is based off not believing in any god.
Therefore i dont think it's fair to go around telling people what they should not believe in.

I know some forms of catholic try to shove their religions down peoples throats, but its equal with atheists demanding to people what they shouldn't belive in and that "science" proves theirs no god, when really theres no connection between religion and evolution discovered ( you can believe in both of them, one doesn't prove the other one wrong)

huh?

[rk3388]

im just trying to shed light on the situation i dont agree with it , and whats hard to understand what im saying :P

[rk3388]

Wonderful. Another "atheism is like ... totally comparable to religion it's just reversed!" argument.

:rolleyes:
did you read what i said?
I dont think religions should be shoved down peoples throats either!!
And i respect EVERY single religion, but im iffy on atheism because it is based on what they dont believe in rather than what they believe in themselves
I prefer - " no religion"

[rk3388]

I think rk3388 is just repeating the nonsense that gets spoon fed.

Acually btw i live in a city thats really multicultural but most have no religion.
Were not even allowed to put a christmas tree out in public, its quite sad really

[Crimson Dynamo]

:rolleyes:
did you read what i said?
I dont think religions should be shoved down peoples throats either!!
And i respect EVERY single religion, but im iffy on atheism because it is based on what they dont believe in rather than what they believe in themselves
I prefer - " no religion"

How are you on dragons?

[rk3388]

How are you on dragons?

:conf: what?

[Shaun]

oh gosh

[Stu]

Atheism is no religion. The only people who turn it into a nice, neat 'system' of people are people like you.

If I'm an atheist I'm one by default because that's what the dictionary describes me as. Not because I conciously decided "let's be atheist". Let's go to the atheist club house and hang out and talk about atheism.

It's not a belief or adherence to anything. It's the complete opposite of that. Why would you be iffy about it just because they don't believe in anything? Do you think you need some mad belief in something spiritual to make life worthwhile?

Just ... mad really. I don't respect atheism but I do respect all religions. Even the many crazy ones that beat the **** out of women.

Or let me guess they aren't really religious and are misinterpreting your view of what it is so they don't count in your eyes?

[Shasown]

im just trying to shed light on the situation i dont agree with it , and whats hard to understand what im saying :P

Failed badly at the shedding light bit.

Hard to understand random illogical thoughts and bad grammar.

[rk3388]

Atheism is no religion. The only people who turn it into a nice, neat 'system' of people are people like you.

If I'm an atheist I'm one by default because that's what the dictionary describes me as. Not because I conciously decided "let's be atheist". Let's go to the atheist club house and hang out and talk about atheism.

It's not a belief or adherence to anything. It's the complete opposite of that. Why would you be iffy about it just because they don't believe in anything? Do you think you need some mad belief in something spiritual to make life worthwhile?

Just ... mad really. I don't respect atheism but I do respect all religions. Even the many crazy ones that beat the **** out of women.

Or let me guess they aren't really religious and are misinterpreting your view of what it is so they don't count in your eyes?

Atheism is based on the belief that their is no god is it not ?
That means it can be offensive to others because it was made to oppose other religions
And course it isnt a religion :rolleyes:
BTW PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT- i just think if people dont have a religion they should be "no religion"
Also i would vote for people regardless of their beliefs but im just trying to see it from the other perspective which no one else seem to do

[rk3388]

bad grammar.

wheres my bad grammar?

[rk3388]

Even the many crazy ones that beat the **** out of women.


and tell me which religion allows people to hit women or are you just making up facts now ?

[BBfanUSA]

It isn't sad that america won't elect an atheist. Most americans are religious. and besides isn't mostly everyone holding a political office around the world belives in some sort of religion?

(I'm American BTW)

[MTVN]

Atheism is based on the belief that their is no god is it not ?
That means it can be offensive to others because it was made to oppose other religions
And course it isnt a religion :rolleyes:
BTW PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT- i just think if people dont have a religion they should be "no religion"
Also i would vote for people regardless of their beliefs but im just trying to see it from the other perspective which no one else seem to do

Eh I don't really understand what you're saying, you seem to think Athiesm is another structured belief system just like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. etc. battling it out for religious supremacy

Athiesm is "no religion", why on earth are you trying to make some kind of distinction between the two? It literally means "without Gods", what do you think is the difference between being an "Atheist" and having "no religion"?

[InOne]

Atheism is based on the belief that their is no god is it not ?
That means it can be offensive to others because it was made to oppose other religions
And course it isnt a religion :rolleyes:
BTW PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT- i just think if people dont have a religion they should be "no religion"
Also i would vote for people regardless of their beliefs but im just trying to see it from the other perspective which no one else seem to do

So Religious people get offended because people don't believe in their God? Or do they get angry because not everyone is a mindless sheep that lives their lives according to old books and fairy tales?

[InOne]

and tell me which religion allows people to hit women or are you just making up facts now ?

Islam. But only if they are disobedient to their husband though. So that makes it ok for them.

[rk3388]

Eh I don't really understand what you're saying, you seem to think Athiesm is another structured belief system just like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. etc. battling it out for religious supremacy

Athiesm is "no religion", why on earth are you trying to make some kind of distinction between the two? It literally means "without Gods", what do you think is the difference between being an "Atheist" and having "no religion"?

k so i know it is NOT a religion
And i stated that i will vote for people no matter what they believe but im trying to look at it from the other side

[rk3388]

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

[MTVN]

k so i know it is NOT a religion
And i stated that i will vote for people no matter what they believe but im trying to look at it from the other side

Well it was just weird that you repeatedly distinguishing between Athiesm and "no religion" when they're the same thing

And the reason it matters is because it seems that a lot of politicians struggle to separate their faith from their politics, especially with the Republican party

[InOne]

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

I'm sure if God is too bothered by it he will strike us down.

[rk3388]

Or do they get angry because not everyone is a mindless sheep that lives their lives according to old books and fairy tales?

that post is extremely offensive.
Religious people get offended by things that you just said.
I would NEVER say that about someone elses religion like that

[Mystic Mock]

And new atheism is the view that "religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises"
Atheism isnt simply " no religion" all the time, and thats what im saying

I think what you mean to say is,is that Atheism is a cult.

[InOne]

that post is extremely offensive.
Religious people get offended by things that you just said.
I would NEVER say that about someone elses religion like that

Offensive to who? You seem to be getting offended for other people.

[rk3388]

Offensive to who? You seem to be getting offended for other people.

ME.
I AM CHRISTIAN.
I dont get offended by Other religions/ beliefs etc
BUT I DO GET OFFENDED when people have the audacity to put down another persons religion like that

[InOne]

ME.
I AM CHRISTIAN.
I dont get offended by Other religions/ beliefs etc
BUT I DO GET OFFENDED when people have the audacity to put down another persons religion like that

Maybe if you had had stronger faith you wouldn't be offended? Are you starting to doubt?

[rk3388]

Well it was just weird that you repeatedly distinguishing between Athiesm and "no religion" when they're the same thing

And the reason it matters is because it seems that a lot of politicians struggle to separate their faith from their politics, especially with the Republican party

true.
Sorry if im being confusing but I'm talking about a certain type of atheism, mostly people who are part of the new atheism movement

[rk3388]

Maybe if you had had stronger faith you wouldn't be offended? Are you starting to doubt?

its pretty pathetic what your doing right now.
I hope your proud you did something I would never stoop to - Insulting someone elses religious beliefs

[InOne]

its pretty pathetic what your doing right now.
I hope your proud you did something I would never stoop to - Insulting someone elses religious beliefs

It's not. Religion deserves no respect. Those are my views and you'll just have to deal with them.

[rk3388]

It's not. Religion deserves no respect. Those are my views and you'll just have to deal with them.

do you think your beliefs deserve respect?
Think about that.
Because you sir, just made a very hypocritical statement

[InOne]

do you think your beliefs deserve respect?
Think about that.
Because you sir, just made a very hypocritical statement

They are just my beliefs, it's up to people if they respect them or not. They don't "deserve" anything.

[rk3388]

They don't "deserve" anything.

Then why did you say religion does NOT "deserve" respect?
How come people can choose to respect YOUR opinion but then you say religion deserves no respect?
:nono:

[InOne]

Then why did you say religion does NOT "deserve" respect?
How come people can choose to respect YOUR opinion but then you say religion deserves no respect?
:nono:

Because Religion isn't some white fluffy cloud is it? Most Religious History is written in blood.

[Photon]

I see absolutely no reason why religion deserves respect. What, because some people are really fond of it and it makes them feel good?

As an atheist, I don't respect religion because of it's thousands of years of providing divine mandate for barbarism. Now religion seems to be the primary motivating force in the idea that ignorance is just as good as knowledge.

You can worship fairy tales in private and I won't care. The problem is that these fairy tales make bold claims about the natural world that people use to live by, vote by, and judge by. All of our biggest failures as a civilization(rape, torture, slavery, mass murder) are encouraged by countless religious texts, as well as commanded by the deities within them. The Bible says it's okay to take slaves, rape women, kill children, commit genocide, etc. It's disturbing that most Christians don't want to acknowledge this fact, yet they want to claim that the Bible is indeed the irrefutable word of God. I guess most Christians only like God when it applies to what they wan't to believe.

Besides, the healthiest nations in the world on the Human Development Index are the nations with the most atheists(like Norway and Japan). As nations rank lower on the HDI, the percentage of the population that is religious increases.

[lostalex]

Well, in a democratic republic you are electing someone to represent your views in the government. If your views are christian then obviously you'd be more inclined to vote for a christian. Obviously the US is a majority christian country, and that probably won't be changing anytime soon, as the population is becoming more and more Latino, and Latinos tend to be very conservative catholic.

There have been some presidents that were probably atheist or agnostic, like Jefferson and Lincoln, but they still obviously needed to convince people they would represent a christian view point for them while in office and assure them that christian values would not be discriminated against and so would pander to christians a bit.

[Photon]

Well, in a democratic republic you are electing someone to represent your views in the government.

Duh? I don't think anyone was unaware of this. The problem that is being pointed out is that these people waste time and stifle progress by voting in politicians who are dedicated to bringing us back to the 1950's.

I don't agree that the Latino population has anything to do with the kinds of religious infiltration in politics this country is dealing with. The Latino population is not really in favor of the GOP because of their stance on immigration and other issues that effect the Latino communities. The GOP is mostly favored in sections of the country where the white population vastly outnumbers all others. Also, the GOP caters to a lot of denominations that hate Catholics(i.e. Latino's).

[lostalex]

Duh? I don't think anyone was unaware of this. The problem that is being pointed out is that these people waste time and stifle progress by voting in politicians who are dedicated to bringing us back to the 1950's.

I don't agree that the Latino population has anything to do with the kinds of religious infiltration in politics this country is dealing with. The Latino population is not really in favor of the GOP because of their stance on immigration and other issues that effect the Latino communities. The GOP is mostly favored in sections of the country where the white population vastly outnumbers all others. Also, the GOP caters to a lot of denominations that hate Catholics(i.e. Latino's).


I never said Latino's necessarily vote for the GOP (although there is a strong support for the GOP in the Cuban community more than other Latinos), i'm saying though that Democratic candidates also have to advertize their christianity to appeal to the Latino voters, that's why all of the Dem candidates are christian too and that's why even the Dems don't openly support gay marriage yet, even though you know deep down they do. I think if the Dems did nominate an athiest candidate you would see a lot of Latinos flock to the GOP, it would be a godsend (no pun intended) to the Republicans.

[LivT]

i dont think its disgusting, it all depends what they believe in.
And i dont blame people for not liking atheism, because it is based off not believing in any god.
Therefore i dont think it's fair to go around telling people what they should not believe in.

I know some forms of catholic try to shove their religions down peoples throats, but its equal with atheists demanding to people what they shouldn't belive in and that "science" proves theirs no god, when really theres no connection between religion and evolution discovered ( you can believe in both of them, one doesn't prove the other one wrong)

Isn't it a rather contradiction in terms to be saying in one breath that you don't hold any blame for others not liking Atheism, then in the next breath quote how unfair it is to tell people what they shouldn't believe in? :conf2:

You are also quite incorrect in your statement over the Catholics. Their church does not allow their followers to preach this Religion.

And by the way- Science DOES prove there is no God/s . If you are insulted by others opines and beliefs then do it quietly. We are as much within our right to voice and debate as any other 'faction'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bizarrely the current president is an atheist but cannot say so. read some of his literature prior to deciding to run for election...

[lostalex]

Isn't it a rather contradiction in terms to be saying in one breath that you don't hold any blame for others not liking Atheism, then in the next breath quote how unfair it is to tell people what they shouldn't believe in? :conf2:

You are also quite incorrect in your statement over the Catholics. Their church does not allow their followers to preach this Religion.

And by the way- Science DOES prove there is no God/s . If you are insulted by others opines and beliefs then do it quietly. We are as much within our right to voice and debate as any other 'faction'

Science has not proven that God doesn't exist, it would be impossible to do so because God doesn't have a definition. God means a million things to a million people. God means the sun to some religions, God means the Earth to some religions, God means extraterrestrial beings to some religions.

If you can't even define what God means, then how can you prove that it does or does not exist?

[LivT]

Science has not proven that God doesn't exist, it would be impossible to do so because God doesn't have a definition. God means a million things to a million people. God means the sun to some religions, God means the Earth to some religions, God means extraterrestrial beings to some religions.

If you can't even define what God means, then how can you prove that it does or does not exist?

I think you know exactly what I refer to. So, since we are getting down to picking bones...

I did not state that I can prove that God does not exist. I said science could.

God is a theoretical entity that is postulated by theists to explain various phenomena, such as the origin of the universe, the design of the universe, and the origin of living things. Modern science, however, can explain all of these phenomena without postulating the existence of God.

1. In the words of Laplace, science has no need of that hypothesis.
2 By demonstrating that God is not needed to explain anything, science has proven that there is no more reason to believe in the existence of God than to believe in the existence of phlogiston, the luminiferous ether, or Vulcan.

This may explain why more than 90% of the world's top scientists disbelieve or doubt the existence of God.

Scientists prefer natural explanations to supernatural ones, not because of any metaphysical bias on their part, but because natural explanations produce more understanding than supernatural ones. As Plato realized, to say that God did it is not to explain anything, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation.

Hope this doesn't baffle you with science...too much. ;)

[lostalex]

Hope this doesn't baffle you with science...too much. ;)


Wow, what a disgustingly patronizing thing to say. Shame on you.

You don't understand people. You don't take culture into account at all, and that is why atheists fail.

Atheists fail to realize that religion is not just about explaining the world and explaining the physical plane, it's also about communities and cultures. It's sociological and psychological as well.

[LivT]

Wow, what a disgustingly patronizing thing to say. Shame on you.

You don't understand people. You don't take culture into account at all, and that is why atheists fail.

Atheists fail to realize that religion is not just about explaining the world and explaining the physical plane, it's also about communities and cultures. It's sociological and psychological as well.

No shame. Lostlex. It isn't my problem when you fail to denote a light hearted comment, ending with a *wink*

As for you character assessment on me. I am entitled to say what I think...without that character assessment turning into an an assasination from you. I'm happy to debate, maturely, but on that score, your opines are of no consequence to me

[lostalex]

No shame. Lostlex. It isn't my problem when you fail to denote a light hearted comment, ending with a *wink*

As for you character assessment on me. I am entitled to say what I think...without that character assessment turning into an an assasination from you. I'm happy to debate, maturely, but on that score, your opines are of no consequence to me

I wasn't judging your character, I was judging your words. Sorry if you misunderstood, i didn't mean to make it sound that way.

[LivT]

I wasn't judging your character, I was judging your words. Sorry if you misunderstood, i didn't mean to make it sound that way.

No apology necessary ;) but thank you, regardless

[Livia]

I think you know exactly what I refer to. So, since we are getting down to picking bones...

I did not state that I can prove that God does not exist. I said science could.

God is a theoretical entity that is postulated by theists to explain various phenomena, such as the origin of the universe, the design of the universe, and the origin of living things. Modern science, however, can explain all of these phenomena without postulating the existence of God.

1. In the words of Laplace, science has no need of that hypothesis.
2 By demonstrating that God is not needed to explain anything, science has proven that there is no more reason to believe in the existence of God than to believe in the existence of phlogiston, the luminiferous ether, or Vulcan.

This may explain why more than 90% of the world's top scientists disbelieve or doubt the existence of God.

Scientists prefer natural explanations to supernatural ones, not because of any metaphysical bias on their part, but because natural explanations produce more understanding than supernatural ones. As Plato realized, to say that God did it is not to explain anything, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation.

Hope this doesn't baffle you with science...too much. ;)

It's a bit low cutting and pasting the words of more learned people and posting them as you own without credit, and then saying you hope it doesn't baffle someone [else] with science... too much. Your entire post is a direct, word for word cut and paste job from secularhumanism.org.

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein. Who probably knew a little bit more about science than most of us.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not religious but it's a bit rich of some people here to call the US "backwards" for being more religious than most. Isn't the Queen supposed to be like the head of the UK's official state religion? From what I understand she is, in theory, supposed to get her power to govern the peasants by the will of god. Until you guys scrap this disgusting royal family (with all its wealth that it never earned) it's a bit hypocritical for you to bemoan the US for not being atheist enough or call us "backwards". At least we don't maintain and take pride in a system that belongs in medieval times.

I'm proud to say the United States was founded by deists, the 18th century equivalent of atheists. All the founding documents were written by and the first few presidents were secularists. Thomas Jefferson practically defines what America is supposed to believe and he was one of the most skeptical of religion and certainly was not a Christian.

So if i was a declared atheist american am i likely to become president anytime soon?

[Liberty4eva]

So if i was a declared atheist american am i likely to become president anytime soon?

It's possible to become president without wearing your religion on your sleeve. Jesse Ventura became governor of a state even though he's an atheist. You don't have to be religious to become president. It's just that you can't be openly anti-religious.

[Photon]

Atheists fail to realize that religion is not just about explaining the world and explaining the physical plane, it's also about communities and cultures. It's sociological and psychological as well.

Huh? I don't know of any atheist who is unaware of these things. Generalizing is pretty unbecoming and a quick way to lose credibility.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's possible to become president without wearing your religion on your sleeve. Jesse Ventura became governor of a state even though he's an atheist. You don't have to be religious to become president. It's just that you can't be openly anti-religious.

Being the Governor of Minnesota is hardly comparable?

[Photon]

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein. Who probably knew a little bit more about science than most of us.

Without providing the context for this statement, this quotation sounds completely different than what it meant.

[MTVN]

Without providing the context for this statement, this quotation sounds completely different than what it meant.

He also apparently described religious beliefs as "childish superstitions"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion

[lostalex]

I'm not religious but it's a bit rich of some people here to call the US "backwards" for being more religious than most. Isn't the Queen supposed to be like the head of the UK's official state religion? From what I understand she is, in theory, supposed to get her power to govern the peasants by the will of god. Until you guys scrap this disgusting royal family (with all its wealth that it never earned) it's a bit hypocritical for you to bemoan the US for not being atheist enough or call us "backwards". At least we don't maintain and take pride in a system that belongs in medieval times.

I'm proud to say the United States was founded by deists, the 18th century equivalent of atheists. All the founding documents were written by and the first few presidents were secularists. Thomas Jefferson practically defines what America is supposed to believe and he was one of the most skeptical of religion and certainly was not a Christian.


Thank you! I wanted to go into the whole state religion and monarchy being heads of the anglican church stuff, but i'm always accused of being anti-english if i mention anything like that. But you are making a really good point. America does have more of a separation of church and state than the UK.

The idea that the US is anti-science, when America has provided innumerable contributions to science in the last century, is purely laughable.

[MTVN]

Your Queen owns more land than any other human being on the planet. I'd venture to say she is merely "symbolic" is a bit of an understatement. If all that land was converted into money at market value, she'd make Bill Gates look like a pauper. It seems to me she has more influence and power than people in the UK would like to admit. I remember that during the last royal wedding people who planned to protest (peacefully) the royal family were preemptively arrested before even going there.

Well I'm no fan of the Monarchy, I'd rather we didn't have one personally, but regardless of her land she still plays very little active role in politics whereas Religion seems almost inseparable from it to many in the States, mostly on the Republican side. And yes I remember that as well, I thought it was a disgrace.

[Liberty4eva]

Well I'm no fan of the Monarchy, I'd rather we didn't have one personally, but regardless of her land she still plays very little active role in politics whereas Religion seems almost inseparable from it to many in the States, mostly on the Republican side. And yes I remember that as well, I thought it was a disgrace.

You should dig up and watch the last Republican debate yesterday. They really didn't discuss anything that involved religion.

[lostalex]

You should dig up and watch the last Republican debate yesterday. They really didn't discuss anything that involved religion.

to be fair though, that debate was on CNN, and CNN is more neutral than the other networks.

[Livia]

Without providing the context for this statement, this quotation sounds completely different than what it meant.

Einstein said a lot of things, many of which contradict each other. I was making a point... many scientists are religious. My cousin, for instance, is an astrophysicist and devout.... and he's not alone.

[LivT]

It's a bit low cutting and pasting the words of more learned people and posting them as you own without credit, and then saying you hope it doesn't baffle someone [else] with science... too much. Your entire post is a direct, word for word cut and paste job from secularhumanism.org.

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein. Who probably knew a little bit more about science than most of us.




There are no rules stating I cannot quote from learned people. Sorry for neglecting to state where I got this information. I merely decided to use it because it is something I am familiar with and would do more justice to anything I can explain myself. I knew many would recognise it.

Big deal.

Stick your nose in somewhere else Livia . What is Low, is you going around knit picking and finding fault, as ive seen you do so often,,,

[Liberty4eva]

From my vantage point (thousands of miles away looking into the UK), it seems to me that new credes just as dogmatic and harmful as religion have sprung up and filled in the vacuum left by a lack of religion. Rabid environmentalism so extreme that they'll make commercials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Mw5_EBk0g) of children exploding as punishment when they refuse to reduce their carbon footprint. An obsession with racial equality that is so unhealthy they'll forego freedom of speech and arrest someone who accuses someone clearly not born in the UK of not being English while on a train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd8iYLvlQaM).

The UK isn't as religious as the US. But I'd be lying if I said I was jealous considering what has replaced religion in your country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

From my vantage point (thousands of miles away looking into the UK), it seems to me that new credes just as dogmatic and harmful as religion have sprung up and filled in the vacuum left by a lack of religion. Rabid environmentalism so extreme that they'll make commercials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Mw5_EBk0g) of children exploding as punishment when they refuse to reduce their carbon footprint. An obsession with racial equality that is so unhealthy they'll forego freedom of speech and arrest someone who accuses someone clearly not born in the UK of not being English while on a train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd8iYLvlQaM).

The UK isn't as religious as the US. But I'd be lying if I said I was jealous considering what has replaced religion in your country.

We are just more developed. As your young country develops it will abandon its hypocritcal superstitions and go down a more adult secular route (and route rhymes with root not rowt)

[Liberty4eva]

We are just more developed. As your young country develops it will abandon its hypocritcal superstitions and go down a more adult secular route (and route rhymes with root not rowt)

If you're so developed why do most UK citizens take pride in a medieval system of kings and queens? That's so silly. When are ya going to join the 21st century and ditch this repugnant family?

[LivT]

If you're so developed why do most UK citizens take pride in a medieval system of kings and queens? That's so silly. When are ya going to join the 21st century and ditch this repugnant family?

It may be a repugnant family...but they are our repugnant family.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you're so developed why do most UK citizens take pride in a medieval system of kings and queens? That's so silly. When are ya going to join the 21st century and ditch this repugnant family?

A few English people still regard the monarchy but most and i mean around 95% dont give a monkeys. Its for the tourists like the Americans to lap up.

[Livia]

There are no rules stating I cannot quote from learned people. Sorry for neglecting to state where I got this information. I merely decided to use it because it is something I am familiar with and would do more justice to anything I can explain myself. I knew many would recognise it.

Big deal.

Stick your nose in somewhere else Livia . What is Low, is you going around knit picking and finding fault, as ive seen you do so often,,,

This is a forum, LivT. I can stick my nose in wherever I wish.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are no rules stating I cannot quote from learned people. Sorry for neglecting to state where I got this information. I merely decided to use it because it is something I am familiar with and would do more justice to anything I can explain myself. I knew many would recognise it.

Big deal.

Stick your nose in somewhere else Livia . What is Low, is you going around knit picking and finding fault, as ive seen you do so often,,,

In general it is correct to attribute in forum posting.

I mean InOne got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what his dinner tasted like.

[LivT]

This is a forum, LivT. I can stick my nose in wherever I wish.


Pray do. Think I will simply resort to muting you like numerous others have.

Your hard faced exterior and semantics will hardly be a great loss

[Liberty4eva]

A few English people still regard the monarchy but most and i mean around 95% dont give a monkeys. Its for the tourists like the Americans to lap up.

Well I can tell you 95% of Americans don't care if the president prays on his Sunday.

[Livia]

Pray do. Think I will simply resort to muting you like numerous others have.

Your hard faced exterior and semantics will hardly be a great loss

Numerous others? I guess with your massive three hundred post count you know all about who has me on ignore and who doesn't. My own ignore list has thirty people on it, so don't think for a minute that I care.

I only have a hard-faced exterior with you, because you have been brusque with me from day one. But anyway... put me on ignore and I won't have to deal with the tedium of conversing with you again, although of course, I'll still be able to read your desperately cobbled-together posts which you think make you look intelligent.

Goodbye.

[lostalex]

It may be a repugnant family...but they are our repugnant family.


And they say it's American's that don't get irony?? :hugesmile:

[nicole_burks]

I don't think it's "disgusting" that we won't elect an atheist.
If you have a country that majority of the people believe in some religion than it's going to be hard to elect an atheist..

[Liberty4eva]

Numerous others? I guess with your massive three hundred post count you know all about who has me on ignore and who doesn't. My own ignore list has thirty people on it, so don't think for a minute that I care.

I only have a hard-faced exterior with you, because you have been brusque with me from day one. But anyway... put me on ignore and I won't have to deal with the tedium of conversing with you again, although of course, I'll still be able to read your desperately cobbled-together posts which you think make you look intelligent.

Goodbye.

Wouldn't be surprised if I'm one of the 30. lol. Livia, you are too thin-skinned.

[Livia]

Liberty4eva... as someone sent me your post... Yes you are on it. And actually, I'm not at all thin-skinned. My time is precious and I don't waste it on people with whom I wouldn't dream of mixing in the real world because they're tedious and full of nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think it's "disgusting" that we won't elect an atheist.
If you have a country that majority of the people believe in some religion than it's going to be hard to elect an atheist..

That is roughly the same line Americans used to trott out about black skinned humans

[lostalex]

That is roughly the same line Americans used to trott out about black skinned humans

umm, what? What colour is Barack Obama then?? he looks black skinned human to me, so WTF are you talking about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

umm, what? What colour is Barack Obama then?? he looks black skinned human to me, so WTF are you talking about?

I am of course talking about say 40 years ago, only..

[lostalex]

I am of course talking about say 40 years ago, only..



Oh yea, well i agree then, i think people saying an atheist can't be elected are the same people that once said a black man can't be elected to US president. I agree with you on that.

[Liberty4eva]

Liberty4eva... as someone sent me your post... Yes you are on it. And actually, I'm not at all thin-skinned. My time is precious and I don't waste it on people with whom I wouldn't dream of mixing in the real world because they're tedious and full of nonsense.

The beauty of being on someone's ignore list is you can say what you want and they'll never know :joker:

Livia, you aren't deceiving anyone and least of all, me. You are thin-skinned. :tongue: Anyone with 30 people on their ignore list is thin-skinned, almost by definition. Show me someone who has 30 people on their ignore list who isn't thin-skinned and I'll show you a green Martian. You can do whatever you want and ignore whoever you want but to say "your time is precious" yada yada yada is so bulloni. That begs the question why you even come here.

[InOne]

edit: double post

[InOne]

In general it is correct to attribute in forum posting.

I mean InOne got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what his dinner tasted like.

Ermmm, no I didn't? D:


It was a special recipe just for you

[lily.]

I don't even use my ignore list. :/

To the OP: Do you think it's equally disgusting that our Monarchy is so closely linked with the Church of England?



edit to add: I just noticed there's another thread on that subject... so I'm going there to read it just now.. :)

[LivT]

Numerous others? I guess with your massive three hundred post count you know all about who has me on ignore and who doesn't. My own ignore list has thirty people on it, so don't think for a minute that I care.

I only have a hard-faced exterior with you, because you have been brusque with me from day one. But anyway... put me on ignore and I won't have to deal with the tedium of conversing with you again, although of course, I'll still be able to read your desperately cobbled-together posts which you think make you look intelligent.

Goodbye.

LOL Its not so hard to deduce. The mere fact that you go about on here picking fights with people frequently is enough evidence. Then, of course, when you get one you're not happy! I see no difference in the way you treat me than the rest of the crowd. So no I don't feel I am being picked upon.

Likewise with your latter comment - your attempt at superiority confirms my earlier statement. One i will stick with before I bid you the same farewell :)

[Livia]

LOL Its not so hard to deduce. The mere fact that you go about on here picking fights with people frequently is enough evidence. Then, of course, when you get one you're not happy! I see no difference in the way you treat me than the rest of the crowd. So no I don't feel I am being picked upon.

Likewise with your latter comment - your attempt at superiority confirms my earlier statement. One i will stick with before I bid you the same farewell :)

Blimey, that crushing reply took you a while.

I have never deliberately picked a fight with anyone. I'm sure the mods would have spotted it if I had. If I'm as bad as you're trying to make out I am, strange that I've never even had an infraction. And if anyone does have me on ignore - good. I have not missed them. I thought you were putting me on ignore... yet here you are still.