The Twins come across as arrogant!!!!!

[Steviekoo]

I say this in a good way not a bad way. I find it funny when they say im hot but the truth is its not a lie. I also like the way they're used to guys like frankie and Kirk hitting on them and know they wouldn't be interested in them if they were ugly, so why should they give them the time of day when they are just perving over them lol

[Me. I Am Salman]

i'd still do em

[rk3388]

its halirious. If they were as aware as the others about this tv show i dont think theyd say that XD

[Ramsay]

They know they are hot
If they were saying the opposite everyone would be saying they're fake

[Marcus.]

well they not that god they nearly was put up for the vote

[fruit_cake]

they seem insecure to me

[MeMyselfAndI]

They are great

[lostalex]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem reallt self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.

[Steviekoo]

They speak nothing but the truth I like their arrogance it's probably an in built defence for all the crap talk they have to put up with from us boys lol

[lostalex]

They speak nothing but the truth I like their arrogance it's probably an in built defence for all the crap talk they have to put up with from us boys lol

egggsactly.

[fruit_cake]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem reallt self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.

I agree with parts of what you say but personally I think they are very insecure.

[Steviekoo]

I think the only young guy they respect in the house so far is Romeo because like they said he might think it but is a gentleman and keeps it to himself and dosen't touch himself all the time lol

[Saph]

They make me laugh, I like their honesty ;) Id rather see them telling everyone how pretty they are than asking them if they are pretty, theres nothing more urgh than that.

[KenCasanova]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem reallt self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.

Yep empowering their sexuality and not being used as sex objects, then being in a relationship with an 80 year millionaire.

Yep empowering their sexuality and not being used as sex objects, then releasing a proffesional sextape on the internet for millions to see

"but they won't let people take advantage of them"
Vivid-the company who released the sextape made more money than Karissa did.

"if men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects"

Yep nothing about them getting nose jobs, boob jobs, lip collagens, butt implants for what? male attention.

Their job is basically being exploited.

[PrincessIona]

I like them, I don't really think they are arrogant. Of course they know they look good, but I don't think they boast about it or anything

[KenCasanova]

What i also found funny is how they said kirk and frankie don't stand a chance yet Hugh Hefner did?

Im sure money wasn't a factor....

[Angus]

It's not their arrogance that annoys the hell out of me, it's their hypocrisy. They have made a career out of their sexuality which is really all they have to offer, yet they resent it if men come on to them?:crazy: They're moaning that the guys are disrespectful to them, but it comes with the territory. They don't have any problem shagging the ancient Hefner, because he bought and paid for them. Well what does that make them, and why do they deserve any respect, when they have none for themselves?

[calyman]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem reallt self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.

Their whole shallow career is based on exploiting their sexuality, being exploited by an octogenerian millionaire. They are sleezy bubbleheads who have nothing to offer except the vaccous promise of a non existent possibility of sexual interest.

As for the male slags Kirk and Frankie, they need to realise just how shallow they and their interest in women really is .

All four of them are inconsequential strumpets, who don't even deserve each other.

[waterhog]

the things they have to do for money dose give them a little right to be arrogant - just not in the bb house lol

[Angus]

It's hardly praiseworthy to sell your body to an octogenarian (or anyone else for that matter). What's there to be arrogant about in that??? They perpetuate the myth that women are nothing more than mere sexual objects, and then get indignant when that's all they're viewed as.

[InOne]

It's hardly praiseworthy to sell your body to an octogenarian (or anyone else for that matter). What's there to be arrogant about in that??? They perpetuate the myth that women are nothing more than mere sexual objects, and then get indignant when that's all they're viewed as.

If they were there to do a porn shoot, fair enough. But they're HM's, the whole Playboy thing is build on myth and fantasy for men, doesn't mean men have a reason to treat them like dirt just because of their job. They're right to be annoyed.

[iRyan]

What i also found funny is how they said kirk and frankie don't stand a chance yet Hugh Hefner did?

Im sure money wasn't a factor....

They never did anything with Hef, they just lived there.

[Marsh.]

It makes me laugh when people say just because they're playboy bunnies and models that they shouldn't be spoken about the way Kirk and Frankie have is ridiculous.
And when the twins said it's disrespectful "especially to us" as though they're high and mighty.

They chose a career of getting their bits out for calendars and magazines. Who do they think buys these magazines? Little hormonal masturbating teenagers of course.
I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.

They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls, or maybe the hands that shake.

[Bluerang1]

They never did anything with Hef, they just lived there.

Thanks for clearing that up :) But some other website said otherwise... >_>

[KenCasanova]

If they were there to do a porn shoot, fair enough. But they're HM's, the whole Playboy thing is build on myth and fantasy for men, doesn't mean men have a reason to treat them like dirt just because of their job. They're right to be annoyed.

Why are they right to be annoyed? They can't complain about being objects if they ARE objects. It's not even about their job anymore. Karissa releasing the sextape wasn't her job, she was ok with it being released and millions of men wanking off to it, yet they're pissed when frankie or kirk make snide little horny comments?

[Angus]

They never did anything with Hef, they just lived there.

O...kay then:rolleyes: So Hefner just gave them room and board for no other reason than from the goodness of his heart? Get real, whether he slept with them or not, they were there for his titillation and to perve over. How can you have any self respect if you allow yourself to be used like that? I bet their main objection to Kirk and Frankie is that get to perve for free!

The twins need to get over themselves and be grateful they get that reaction from guys, otherwise their whole raison d'etre is pretty much redundant, as they have nothing else to offer.

[InOne]

Why are they right to be annoyed? They can't complain about being objects if they ARE objects. It's not even about their job anymore. Karissa releasing the sextape wasn't her job, she was ok with it being released and millions of men wanking off to it, yet they're pissed when frankie or kirk make snide little horny comments?

Because they locked in a house with them 24/7, after a while comments like that would become annoying, and they can't really escape it there.

[Locke.]

There appears to be a few jealous ladies on the forum

[rk3388]

they said themselves the relationship was based on friendship

[HBB1508]

In the immortal words of the great Nick Bateman - if you live by the sword you die by the sword.

[fruit_cake]

O...kay then:rolleyes: So Hefner just gave them room and board for no other reason than from the goodness of his heart? Get real, whether he slept with them or not, they were there for his titillation and to perve over. How can you have any self respect if you allow yourself to be used like that? I bet their main objection to Kirk and Frankie is that get to perve for free!

The twins need to get over themselves and be grateful they get that reaction from guys, otherwise their whole raison d'etre is pretty much redundant, as they have nothing else to offer.

I kinda agree with this, they don't seem to offer much else. All they seem to talk about is the reactions guys give them. If your willing to go with an old grandad for money it's a bit fanciful to then expect other men to treat you with respect.

[Livia]

They never did anything with Hef, they just lived there.

Haha... yeah. That's right. He let them live there out of the goodness of his heart and neither he, nor anyone associated with him wanted anything in return.

[MTVN]

Haha... yeah. That's right. He let them live there out of the goodness of his heart and neither he, nor anyone associated with him wanted anything in return.

Not necessarily just out the goodness of his heart, could have been for the fame, money, publicity etc. that they would bring to his TV show, the first episode they were in got the highest ratings in the shows history

[Livia]

Not necessarily just out the goodness of his heart, could have been for the fame, money, publicity etc. that they would bring to his TV show, the first episode they were in got the highest ratings in the shows history

Yeah, right. No sex involved. At all. It was all just platonic.

[MTVN]

Yeah, right. No sex involved. At all. It was all just platonic.

They are lovely girls :angel:

[Livia]

They are lovely girls :angel:

Awww... Course they are. Never been kissed, I'm sure.

[Niamh.]

I'm starting to really like those two actually, they're fiesty and up front. They had Nicola down to a tee as well calling her out her passive aggressive bitchiness

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I have to say I really don't like them one bit, I think they are very arrogant women, I also think they love themselves a bit to much for my liking.

[kefln]

I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.

Well that statement just about killed the whole idea of female power didn't it?

Isn't there a current movement called the "Slut Walk"? That explaining, or excusing, rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance is just plain wrong? That women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s?

There is a woman in the BB house that is "famous" for sleeping with her husbands brother, but the twins, who are essentially glamour models, are prostitutes. My head kinda hurts on that one - and before anyone knocks me, I like Nat, she seems sweet.

But in a house where the most intelligent thing Frankie has said is that looking at the girls makes him want to wank. And where Kirks idea of a chat up line - "nice tits, are they real?", the playboy twins are soulless and shouldn't be given respect....the mind boggles...

(Wow! What a rant! :D )

[kefln]

And now for my opinion... :D

The twins are arrogant, but not exactly in a bad way. They are self aware enough to try and make money off their looks. But they don't seem stupid about it, they seem to understand that its a business. That there is a line and they want to be respected.

Within the walls of the playboy mansion its likely that they've met alot of Kirks and Frankies. One being a rich kid who thinks he's someone and the other just being a walking hormone ball. They know how to handle it and are strong enough not to let it get out of control.

For the most part they seem quite savvy and they can talk things through together and with others in the house. They are more than two dumb blondes who take their boobs out and brush their hair.

[fitz2k2]

hello there use to this,they get hit on all the time,the know every line a guy has used there not stupid

[InOne]

And now for my opinion... :D

The twins are arrogant, but not exactly in a bad way. They are self aware enough to try and make money off their looks. But they don't seem stupid about it, they seem to understand that its a business. That there is a line and they want to be respected.

Within the walls of the playboy mansion its likely that they've met alot of Kirks and Frankies. One being a rich kid who thinks he's someone and the other just being a walking hormone ball. They know how to handle it and are strong enough not to let it get out of control.

For the most part they seem quite savvy and they can talk things through together and with others in the house. They are more than two dumb blondes who take their boobs out and brush their hair.

Yeah I think most expected them to be stereotypical dumb blondes with that awful squarky american accent. Also to probably lead Frankie and Kirk on in some way. Bet they didn't even expect them to be so sharp tongued, their heads are definitely screwed on right. Nothing wrong with telling silly little boys where to go, especially when there is nothing in it for them.

[Livia]

Well that statement just about killed the whole idea of female power didn't it?

Isn't there a current movement called the "Slut Walk"? That explaining, or excusing, rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance is just plain wrong? That women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s?

There is a woman in the BB house that is "famous" for sleeping with her husbands brother, but the twins, who are essentially glamour models, are prostitutes. My head kinda hurts on that one - and before anyone knocks me, I like Nat, she seems sweet.

But in a house where the most intelligent thing Frankie has said is that looking at the girls makes him want to wank. And where Kirks idea of a chat up line - "nice tits, are they real?", the playboy twins are soulless and shouldn't be given respect....the mind boggles...

(Wow! What a rant! :D )

Seriously? You think women like the twins promote female power?

Speaking as a professional in a male-dominated area of work, the slut walk to me is nothing more than a bunch of sluts making everyone look at them. How women expect to dress like streetwalkers and command respect is beyond me, in much the same way I'd find it hard to respect a bloke in a mankini.

So, Frankie said they make him want to masterbate (paraphrasing, obviously). Well? What about it? Isn't that their main function? The fact that lots of men would sleep with them given half the chance doesn't do much in my opinion to command "respect".

The twins make a living from the sex industry. They aren't just glamour models, they spent two years at the Playboy Mansion... I'm not going into what went on, they've been pretty open about that. They've sold sex and the idea of sex and they've been paid. I have no problem with woman earning their money any way they choose so long as they aren't coerced and they're happy doing it. But don't expect people to respect them like they've studied for their art.

[Angus]

Well that statement just about killed the whole idea of female power didn't it?

Isn't there a current movement called the "Slut Walk"? That explaining, or excusing, rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance is just plain wrong? That women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s?

There is a woman in the BB house that is "famous" for sleeping with her husbands brother, but the twins, who are essentially glamour models, are prostitutes. My head kinda hurts on that one - and before anyone knocks me, I like Nat, she seems sweet.

But in a house where the most intelligent thing Frankie has said is that looking at the girls makes him want to wank. And where Kirks idea of a chat up line - "nice tits, are they real?", the playboy twins are soulless and shouldn't be given respect....the mind boggles...

(Wow! What a rant! :D )

What are you on about? Of course women should be able to wear what they want without being judged as sluts or *****s. That's not what's under discussion here.

We are talking about two women who effectively sold themselves to Hefner for nigh on two years, ie prostituted themselves for money, fame, whatever. THEY themselves have set the parameters for how they are viewed by others and if anything they encourage sex discrimination by promoting their sexuality as their main, if not sole, attribute, rather than any discernible individual skills, talents or personalities. They get the reaction they do from hormonal boys because it is essential to how they have chosen to earn their living. The minute they stop getting that reaction their so called "careers" will be all washed up, and they'll be the first ones to be complaining.

[kefln]

Get real, whether he slept with them or not, they were there for his titillation and to perve over. How can you have any self respect if you allow yourself to be used like that?
That sounds like the average Big Brother contestant...

They are their for our titillation, they are there for our enjoyment, they are there for our viewing pleasure. Basically, according to yourself, anyone who has ever appeared on a "reality show", of any sort in any country, should have no self respect...

Bit harsh.

[kefln]

What are you on about? Of course women should be able to wear what they want without being judged as sluts or *****s. That's not what's under discussion here.

We are talking about two women who effectively sold themselves to Hefner for nigh on two years, ie prostituted themselves for money, fame, whatever. THEY themselves have set the parameters for how they are viewed by others and if anything they encourage sex discrimination by promoting their sexuality as their main, if not sole, attribute, rather than any discernible individual skills, talents or personalities. They get the reaction they do from hormonal boys because it is essential to how they have chosen to earn their living. The minute they stop getting that reaction their so called "careers" will be all washed up, and they'll be the first ones to be complaining.
There is a whole section of that which I agree with. In fact I’d imagine that they’d agree with it too. But that doesn’t make it right.
Sex sells. They know it. We know it. There is a billion dollar business based on that fact. Whether you like it, or I like it, it doesn’t matter, its there.

However we don’t know what their contract with Playboy was. They were employees, hired to sell an image. We have no idea what went on behind closed doors. And its unlikely that we ever will, so they shouldn’t be called prostitutes.

On the other hand most famous people prostitute themselves for money. Celeb Big Brother is living proof of it. Singers do it all the time too – x factor. Why is it that we see footballers like David Beckham on advertisement posters wearing nothing but tighty whities? Would Broke back mountain have become a huge hit if it had stared Alan Carr and Marilyn Manson? No – sex sells.

This is not about whether you agree with their choice of career or not. They still have the right to separate their professional life and their personal.

[arista]

they seem insecure to me

Not with Baba Frankie

[starry]

I said a few days ago they were arrogant, good to see that someone else sees that now.

[MTVN]

Meh if Playboy want to pay them a fortune and if hundreds of thousands of people are interested in watching their actions every week then good for them, they're just providing entertainment for which the demand is clearly there, seems a bit odd to single them out to demean and judge considering how some of the others in there have made their name

[kefln]

Seriously? You think women like the twins promote female power?

Speaking as a professional in a male-dominated area of work, the slut walk to me is nothing more than a bunch of sluts making everyone look at them. How women expect to dress like streetwalkers and command respect is beyond me, in much the same way I'd find it hard to respect a bloke in a mankini.

So, Frankie said they make him want to masterbate (paraphrasing, obviously). Well? What about it? Isn't that their main function? The fact that lots of men would sleep with them given half the chance doesn't do much in my opinion to command "respect".

The twins make a living from the sex industry. They aren't just glamour models, they spent two years at the Playboy Mansion... I'm not going into what went on, they've been pretty open about that. They've sold sex and the idea of sex and they've been paid. I have no problem with woman earning their money any way they choose so long as they aren't coerced and they're happy doing it. But don't expect people to respect them like they've studied for their art.
They twins promote choice in an often double standard world.

They openly sell an image of sex, but they don’t, from what I can see, treat it like anything other than a job. They could have giggled and blown kisses across the room at the boys, basically lived up to the reputation of being brainless t*ts on legs. But they haven’t. Playboy was their job. In the past few days they have admitted that there were aspects that they liked and aspects that they didn’t. They’ve admitted that they have no problem in getting naked for the camera and doing a photoshoot, which is about selling sex. However, on a one to one basis, they like to be treated with a bit of respect. And not having some drooling leach asking them if their boobs and bums are real…

[Livia]

They twins promote choice in an often double standard world.

They openly sell an image of sex, but they don’t, from what I can see, treat it like anything other than a job. They could have giggled and blown kisses across the room at the boys, basically lived up to the reputation of being brainless t*ts on legs. But they haven’t. Playboy was their job. In the past few days they have admitted that there were aspects that they liked and aspects that they didn’t. They’ve admitted that they have no problem in getting naked for the camera and doing a photoshoot, which is about selling sex. However, on a one to one basis, they like to be treated with a bit of respect. And not having some drooling leach asking them if their boobs and bums are real…

Drooling men are an aspect of the job. Without those drooling men they'd be doing some other job you don't need any training for but one which pays a lot less.

In your previous post you said they were examples of female power, almost like you thought they were role models. I do not respect them simply because they were born with good looks, which were tweaked by a cosmetic surgeon to enable them to sell sex for Heffner. No one just gets respect. Respect has to be earned... and they haven't earned mine. And where the housemates are concerned, they aren't alone.

[Bojangles]

Kirk and Frankie are making me feel sick everytime the twins come into view they start playing with their scrotes.The twins are right to feel disgusted.They are not the true version of a British male.
They shouldn't have to be subjected to this disgusting behaviour.

[Livia]

.....They shouldn't have to be subjected to this disgusting behaviour.

No... I bet it properly upsets their delicate sensibilities. Or... their whole career is based around men handling their own private parts so they should be used to it.

[Angus]

That sounds like the average Big Brother contestant...

They are their for our titillation, they are there for our enjoyment, they are there for our viewing pleasure. Basically, according to yourself, anyone who has ever appeared on a "reality show", of any sort in any country, should have no self respect...

Bit harsh.


Difference being that the twins are so up themselves that they think they are something they are not. No-one is entitled to demand respect, it has to be earned. They need a reality check. And try not to put words into other FM's mouths. The likes of glamour models who go on to BB usually make no bones about wanting to do the photo shoots in Nuts etc after. Nowt wrong with that, what you see is what you get. At least they don't put themselves on some fantasy pedestal as if they're unobtainable, like the twins believe they are, when we all know that they're anybody's for the right price.

[Bojangles]

No... I bet it properly upsets their delicate sensibilities. Or... their whole career is based around men handling their own private parts so they should be used to it.

But not infront of them.

[Livia]

But not infront of them.

For an extra $50 they'd probably do it for them.

[kefln]

Drooling men are an aspect of the job. Without those drooling men they'd be doing some other job you don't need any training for but one which pays a lot less.

In your previous post you said they were examples of female power, almost like you thought they were role models. I do not respect them simply because they were born with good looks, which were tweaked by a cosmetic surgeon to enable them to sell sex for Heffner. No one just gets respect. Respect has to be earned... and they haven't earned mine. And where the housemates are concerned, they aren't alone.
Drooling men are part of the job, its expected. As are the questions about the playboy mansion. From what I can see so far they seem open enough about who and what they are. However that does not make them soulless prostitutes that do not deserve a modicum of respect – which is the comment that made me stand up and become involved in this conversation in the first place.

And speaking of jobs that you get paid a lot for, but don’t need any real training, but wouldn’t be involved in if you didn’t have “something” about you - acting, football players, rugby players, singers, dancers, wives and girlfriends of sports personalities… in fact the entire celeb world is full of highly paid, uneducated, good for one thing, personalities. Don’t single out two people just because you, or others, don’t like their particular type of fame. Because lets face it, most female BB contestants end up doing nuts, or zoo, or some such sh*t lads mag…

And again, whether you like it or not, these girls are role models to some. They mightn’t be the best type of role models to have, but there are worse. Amy Winehouse seems to be a national treasure – she was a drunk, a druggie, was married to a guy that’s in and out of prison, she could barely put two words together without slurring, but could sing…when sober…which didn’t seem to be very often. The Gallagher brothers seem to be role models – read all of the above about Amy, but add in violence and abuse too. And do I have to mention Jordan?

Its an unfortunate truth that everyone is entitled to an opinion, to pick their own role models and that certain people will earn a huge amount of money simply because they can smile at a camera with their personals hanging out… :D

[Livia]

Drooling men are part of the job, its expected. As are the questions about the playboy mansion. From what I can see so far they seem open enough about who and what they are. However that does not make them soulless prostitutes that do not deserve a modicum of respect – which is the comment that made me stand up and become involved in this conversation in the first place.

And speaking of jobs that you get paid a lot for, but don’t need any real training, but wouldn’t be involved in if you didn’t have “something” about you - acting, football players, rugby players, singers, dancers, wives and girlfriends of sports personalities… in fact the entire celeb world is full of highly paid, uneducated, good for one thing, personalities. Don’t single out two people just because you, or others, don’t like their particular type of fame. Because lets face it, most female BB contestants end up doing nuts, or zoo, or some such sh*t lads mag…

And again, whether you like it or not, these girls are role models to some. They mightn’t be the best type of role models to have, but there are worse. Amy Winehouse seems to be a national treasure – she was a drunk, a druggie, was married to a guy that’s in and out of prison, she could barely put two words together without slurring, but could sing…when sober…which didn’t seem to be very often. The Gallagher brothers seem to be role models – read all of the above about Amy, but add in violence and abuse too. And do I have to mention Jordan?

Its an unfortunate truth that everyone is entitled to an opinion, to pick their own role models and that certain people will earn a huge amount of money simply because they can smile at a camera with their personals hanging out… :D

The difference between the twins and Amy Winehouse, and honestly I'm shocked I have to explain this, is that, aside from being a drug addict, she was a talented musician, singer and songwriter. The same goes for the Gallaghers (although I'm not a fan). They have talent. They don't just get their bits out. It's fine if testosterone levels dictate that males think the twins are fine. That's what they're there for... But talented, they ain't.

I do not think the twins are better or worse than other reality show contestants. They have a few years left before the money and interest dries up, so I hope they invest wisely or they find some rich bloke to keep them.

[kefln]

Difference being that the twins are so up themselves that they think they are something they are not. No-one is entitled to demand respect, it has to be earned. They need a reality check. And try not to put words into other FM's mouths. The likes of glamour models who go on to BB usually make no bones about wanting to do the photo shoots in Nuts etc after. Nowt wrong with that, what you see is what you get. At least they don't put themselves on some fantasy pedestal as if they're unobtainable, like the twins believe they are, when we all know that they're anybody's for the right price.
Speaking of not putting words into other peoples mouths...after four days you've assessed the twins, their motives, their beliefs and how they perceive themselves.

Yet they have done nothing that we haven't seen before. They haven't been exceptionally b*tchy. They haven't been rude. They haven't been excluding themselves from the group. They haven't been throwing temper tantrums or camera hogging.

From what has been seen so far, they have talked about the mansion and their "career". They have hung out with the other HM's during the day. They have spent a little time alone. They have gotten involved in the tasks. And they have partied with the other HM's.

The worst thing that they have done is given their personal opinions on Kirk and Frankie. Which is no different that Michael giving his opinion on them, Kirk giving his opinion about them, alot of the HM's b*tching about Andrew...the list goes on...

[BadBoyMcCoy]

I think after their career choice they should expect guys to sometimes speak to them like they're sex objects. But they shouldn't be criticized for telling guys to f off if the're bothering them.

I can imagine it would be annoying and a bit creepy after a while.

I'm enjoying watching them, I find them quite interesting.

[Bojangles]

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.

[fruit_cake]

I don't really feel strongly at all about the twins either like or dislike so far, just meh.

[kefln]

The difference between the twins and Amy Winehouse, and honestly I'm shocked I have to explain this, is that, aside from being a drug addict, she was a talented musician, singer and songwriter. The same goes for the Gallaghers (although I'm not a fan). They have talent. They don't just get their bits out. It's fine if testosterone levels dictate that males think the twins are fine. That's what they're there for... But talented, they ain't.

I do not think the twins are better or worse than other reality show contestants. They have a few years left before the money and interest dries up, so I hope they invest wisely or they find some rich bloke to keep them.
They aren’t talented – they were born looking a certain way and grew up in an environment that allowed them to justify taking their tops off for a living. Chances are they will be very rich by the time they are my age.

I watched some TV over the Christmas and found out that last year some footballer lit fireworks in his house during a party – yet this dolt gets paid millions to kick a ball around a pitch.

I never liked Amy Winehouse. I never really rated her as a musician. Every time I heard her sing she made no sense, slurring into the microphone. But there are a lot of people who respected her talent and I respect that.

I have no problem with people saying that these girls are making a living off mags like Playboy, hell they don’t have a problem with it, why should I? I have no problem with them having an opinion of others in the house, its not like this is a new thing.

I do however have a problem with people calling them soulless prostitutes that don’t deserve respect. Which is kinda the point I keep making…

[kefln]

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.
Frankie is a boy. He's had 15 mins of fame and suddenly finds himself sitting beside playmates. Tact isn't exactly what we are expecting.

Kirk is a c*cky rich boy, who has a little bit of fame and really thinks that complimenting a girl on her chest is charming. But not to worry his dads rich so he can make up for everything by spending cash.

The twins are in BB to raise their British profile, not to pander to the ego's of those around them.

[kefln]

I don't really feel strongly at all about the twins either like or dislike so far, just meh.
They are ok, you wouldn't miss them if they weren't there. But you have to appreciate how easily they dealt with Kirk... :D

[MTVN]

And speaking of jobs that you get paid a lot for, but don’t need any real training, but wouldn’t be involved in if you didn’t have “something” about you - acting, football players, rugby players, singers, dancers, wives and girlfriends of sports personalities… in fact the entire celeb world is full of highly paid, uneducated, good for one thing, personalities. Don’t single out two people just because you, or others, don’t like their particular type of fame. Because lets face it, most female BB contestants end up doing nuts, or zoo, or some such sh*t lads mag…


Being a footballer requires a huge amount of training and skill

[fruit_cake]

They are ok, you wouldn't miss them if they weren't there. But you have to appreciate how easily they dealt with Kirk... :D

there are two of them versus one of him, it's not a fair fight. I don't like BB putting twins or family members in, especially if they are not seperated and put in competition with each other imo

[Livia]

They aren’t talented – they were born looking a certain way and grew up in an environment that allowed them to justify taking their tops off for a living. Chances are they will be very rich by the time they are my age.

I watched some TV over the Christmas and found out that last year some footballer lit fireworks in his house during a party – yet this dolt gets paid millions to kick a ball around a pitch.

I never liked Amy Winehouse. I never really rated her as a musician. Every time I heard her sing she made no sense, slurring into the microphone. But there are a lot of people who respected her talent and I respect that.

I have no problem with people saying that these girls are making a living off mags like Playboy, hell they don’t have a problem with it, why should I? I have no problem with them having an opinion of others in the house, its not like this is a new thing.

I do however have a problem with people calling them soulless prostitutes that don’t deserve respect. Which is kinda the point I keep making…

I've never said they were soulless.

Everything else is covered, I think, in my previous posts.

[kefln]

I've never said they were soulless.

Everything else is covered, I think, in my previous posts.
Never said it was you...just giving my reasons for responding! :D

[kefln]

there are two of them versus one of him, it's not a fair fight. I don't like BB putting twins or family members in, especially if they are not seperated and put in competition with each other imo
But only one made the comment...and you could say that Kirk has back up from Frankie...

Not to mention that putting family members and girlfriends in the house in the past hasn't always worked in a persons favour. Faye nearly went into meltdown and things did not go so well for Rex when his girlfriend came in.

[kefln]

Being a footballer requires a huge amount of training and skill
So does being a doctor, but I know which gets paid more.

[Jords]

I think after a while the arrogance might grate but for now theyre hilarious LOL

[KenCasanova]

The twins are photographic models,they are are not stupid either.It's their job to look good,but they don't have to put up with sexual abuse, true celeb's wouldn't abuse them like Kirk and Frankie the nonentities in the house.

Frankie and Kirk are not abusing them, it's banter albeit a bit immature. You must be extremely sensitive to call what they're doing sexual abuse. Talking of sexual abuse was it not Karissa that was getting her arse whipped on film by her then actor boyfriend? Or didn't you get that far into the sex tape?

[MTVN]

So does being a doctor, but I know which gets paid more.

Well yeah football is a far more lucrative and profitable industry

[Marsh.]

Well that statement just about killed the whole idea of female power didn't it?

Isn't there a current movement called the "Slut Walk"? That explaining, or excusing, rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance is just plain wrong? That women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s?

There is a woman in the BB house that is "famous" for sleeping with her husbands brother, but the twins, who are essentially glamour models, are prostitutes. My head kinda hurts on that one - and before anyone knocks me, I like Nat, she seems sweet.

But in a house where the most intelligent thing Frankie has said is that looking at the girls makes him want to wank. And where Kirks idea of a chat up line - "nice tits, are they real?", the playboy twins are soulless and shouldn't be given respect....the mind boggles...

(Wow! What a rant! :D )


I suggest you stop right there. Don't try to infer that I was making out girls deserve to be raped because they dress provocatively or whatever. That WASN'T my point.

If you re-read my post you'll see I said they were just like prostitutes because as playboy bunnies they are there to be paid for Hugh Hefner's perverted pleasure. Anyone who thinks they lived in his mansion and have not had any sexual contact with him must be naive. THAT'S where my prostitute comparison came in. They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life and earn money from horny masturbating little boys like Frankie Cocozza, so it's a bit rich when they say Frankie's attitude towards them is disrespectful as they disrespect themselves in the public eye having done what they've done.

The calendars and magazines they pose for are there PURELY for the gratification of people who find those images arousing, like porn.

Completely different to a model in a clothing catalogue or advert which has an entirely different purpose.

Don't turn my point into a generalised viewpoint of women in general, or even models in general.

And, yes, I agree what a rant. :rolleyes:

[Bojangles]

Frankie and Kirk are not abusing them, it's banter albeit a bit immature. You must be extremely sensitive to call what they're doing sexual abuse. Talking of sexual abuse was it not Karissa that was getting her arse whipped on film by her then actor boyfriend? Or didn't you get that far into the sex tape?


I was referring to them playing with their knobs as abuse infront of the girls and talking about w---ing.

[G1dds]

I find them quite amusing really - I enjoy the gentle rivalry and sisterly bickering between them

[Marsh.]

Sex sells. They know it. We know it.

Which is exactly where my prostitute comparison came from.

Don't bring women's rights into a discussion about playboy bunnies who are purely there as sexual objects for horny teens and their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them. That in itself sets a precedent for how they're perceived.

It's like having sex in the middle of the office at work and expecting to not be judged about it. If you haven't got self respect then how are people going to respect you.

[kefln]

If you re-read my post you'll see I said they were just like prostitutes because as playboy bunnies they are there to be paid for Hugh Hefner's perverted pleasure. Anyone who thinks they lived in his mansion and have not had any sexual contact with him must be naive.

THAT'S where my prostitute comparison came in. They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life and earn money from horny masturbating little boys like Frankie Cocozza, so it's a bit rich when they say Frankie's attitude towards them is disrespectful as they disrespect themselves in the public eye having done what they've done.
That would be called personal opinion.

The facts are that you, me and anyone reading this post have no idea what happened in the playboy mansion.

We can assume - we've all heard the stories - but we don't ACTUALLY KNOW what the twins and Hef ACTUALLY did together.

Their ACTUAL job was the promotion of the Playboy empire.

They even said that they weren't allowed down to half the parties there. That most of the time they were bored, just sitting around the house.

So yes d*mning someone as a prostitute based simply on how you view the situation...

And there are vast differences between a persons professional life and their personal life. Like it or not the so called glamour modeling life is a business and playboy is a part of that life. If a girl chooses to pose nude for a camera, that does not make her a *****. And believe it or not that doesn't mean that people can call her one.

[kefln]

Which is exactly where my prostitute comparison came from.

Don't bring women's rights into a discussion about playboy bunnies who are purely there as sexual objects for horny teens and their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them. That in itself sets a precedent for how they're perceived.

It's like having sex in the middle of the office at work and expecting to not be judged about it. If you haven't got self respect then how are people going to respect you.
Personal opinion!

If they are comfortable with their "career", thats up to them. But witch hunts based on the opinions of others are never pretty...

[Marsh.]

If they're comfortable with their "career" that's fine. But to act as though they're worth more than the cheap glossy covers they pose on is pretty delusional.
To act as though being sexualised by two young boys is demeaning and disrespectful when it's for that reason they have a "career" in the first place is ridiculous. That's the point I was trying to make.

But for you to bring a generalised view of "girl power" into the discussion and compare it to a rape victim is too far.

I never made out it was anything but my own opinion. This is a forum I don't have to state it in every post that what I'm saying is an opinion. And I stand by my OPINION whether they physically shagged the old perv or not. Their "actual" (according to your...erm... opinion) job is still just as demeaning of themselves before any young boys make any moves on them. And I don't think a glamour model is a right comparison for Playboy bunnies neither as real modelling is very different to sticking your silicone boobs on a calendar.

[kefln]

If they're comfortable with their "career" that's fine. But to act as though they're worth more than the cheap glossy covers they pose on is pretty delusional.
I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.

To act as though being sexualised by two young boys is demeaning and disrespectful when it's for that reason they have a "career" in the first place is ridiculous. That's the point I was trying to make.
Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.

I never made out it was anything but my own opinion. This is a forum I don't have to state it in every post that what I'm saying is an opinion. And I stand by my OPINION
Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

[the truth]

predictable...shallow chat...boring and self obsessed...zzzzzz supposedly every red blooded mans dream.....rubbish....uk society needs to stop judging all men the same

[lostalex]

Which is exactly where my prostitute comparison came from.

Don't bring women's rights into a discussion about playboy bunnies who are purely there as sexual objects for horny teens and their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them. That in itself sets a precedent for how they're perceived.

It's like having sex in the middle of the office at work and expecting to not be judged about it. If you haven't got self respect then how are people going to respect you.


Every industry on Earth exploits sex, not just the sex industry.

[chuff me dizzy]

Horrid,spoilt,up their own rumps

[Bojangles]

They seem ok to me,I don't see why they are so disliked.
What have they actually done to be so disliked?

[CaudleHalbard]

Jedward are being very cleverly managed by Louis Walsh. He knows they have a limited shelf life and he is maximising publicity. On the same day as they appeared on CBB they also appeared on the hour-long Celebrity Wedding Planner (as the planners).

Also appeared on BBBOTS - and were given a pretty significant role.

[MTVN]

Jedward are being very cleverly managed by Louis Walsh. He knows they have a limited shelf life and he is maximising publicity. On the same day as they appeared on CBB they also appeared on the hour-long Celebrity Wedding Planner (as the planners).

Also appeared on BBBOTS - and were given a pretty significant role.

This is about the Playboy Twins :joker:

[Bojangles]

Makes you sick doesn't it.

[kefln]

They seem ok to me,I don't see why they are so disliked.
What have they actually done to be so disliked?
Nothing.

People disagree with their "career" and feel justified in saying what they want about them.

The concept of celeb BB is to take famous/infamous personalities that we normally wouldn't have "access" too and allow us to see them as people, rather than just a name or label. To break down that preconception of what and who they are. Unfortunately it doesn't work.

[Marsh.]

Every industry on Earth exploits sex, not just the sex industry.

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".

[Marsh.]

I’m sorry, but I’m slightly confused. When exactly did they act like they are worth more than their “cheap glossy covers”? They have been asked about playboy and they’ve answered fairly honestly. And apart from that they have been mingling with the others. The only “sex” talk is coming from the boys – two in particular.


Again, as I’ve mentioned before, there are vast differences between being photographed professionally as a “model” and having someone leach over you in your sitting room. Business v’s personal.

The twins are on the show to increase their profile in the UK. Chances are they will get a few mag deals out of it. Perhaps a few spots on TV shows. Once they are done they’ll hop back across the pond and we’ll probably never hear of them again. That’s business. That’s how they have chosen to make their living.

But they are allowed have an opinion about those that are in their personal space, about comments made to their faces, or behind their backs.

You called two girls prostitutes simply because you disagree with their chosen career. You said that :

“I mean they deserve as much respect as prostitutes due to the fact they sold their soul or at least their bodies to Hugh Hefner.”

That

“They earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world. Don't bite the hands that feed you girls”

To put it simply, soulless *****s, that should mind their tongue and remember their place.

And that I disagree with. My reply was simple, that women, like men, should be allowed to wear and say what they want without being judged as sluts, or *****s.

Just because you don’t like their chosen lifestyle doesn’t mean that their opinion is worthless. And you’ve already made up your mind on them, as you so tastefully put it:

“They shagged an 80 odd year old man to get by in life”

“their dirty 80 yo boss who has a rota for shagging them”

“whether they physically shagged the old perv or not”

You have made your judgement. You have taken a perceived image and d*mned them for it.


Good for you. We are all entitled to an opinion. Even playboy bunnies…

That last comment is laughable, I never said they are not entitled to do as they please or have their own opinion. I said they are free to do as they please.
As far as finding themselves worth more than the glossy covers has got nothing to do with "sex talk", it's to do with the conversations they've had regarding Frankie and Kirk's behaviour around them. They spoke as though the sexual objection of women was disrespectful to them and everyone else, YET that is their living objectifying women in wank mags. If girls like them didn't so overtly sexualise their tits with silicone implants, blonde hair, sex tapes and magazines (and this isn't a generalisation, these twins have done that) then maybe there wouldn't be such a huge problem with disrespectful little boys.

And yet from my "sold soul and body" you still do not understand my prostitute comparison. It's got nothing to do with the way they dress or the way they speak.

They are comparable to street walkers BECAUSE THEY SLEEEP/SLEPT WITH A DIRTY OLD MAN FOR MONEY AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES.

If you don't believe they did that, that's your opinion.

And yes I judged them on a perceived image, a perceived image they THEY PERSONALLY gave me. So, I'd call that a pretty accurate judgement.

[Bojangles]

Nothing.

People disagree with their "career" and feel justified in saying what they want about them.

The concept of celeb BB is to take famous/infamous personalities that we normally wouldn't have "access" too and allow us to see them as people, rather than just a name or label. To break down that preconception of what and who they are. Unfortunately it doesn't work.


Obviously not.

[Marsh.]

Well, if they're going to act up to the preconception then what do they expect?

It's like Jedward, went in as immature, hyperactive teens and were exactly the same so people's opinions of them aren't really gonna change.

[lostalex]

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".

They didn't have sex with Hef. he's an 80 y/o man and that Kystral Harris was very possessive of him while the twins were in the mansion. They never had sex with Hef.

[Marsh.]

They didn't have sex with Hef.

Yeah, sure they didn't.

[Niamh.]

Do you reckon Hef can still even get it up? :laugh:

[lostalex]

Yeah, sure they didn't.

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

[Livia]

Do you reckon Hef can still even get it up? :laugh:

Little blue pills. Although I hear they are mostly used to stop old men rolling out of bed.

[Marsh.]

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

Where on earth did I say that?

You're taking the discussion off course (again). The last time I checked we are discussing Karissa and Kristina and the Playboy bunnies, not Julie from Manchester shagging the owner of the Kwik-E-Mart.

[Niamh.]

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

[Marsh.]

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

Morally, I would agree.

[Bojangles]

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

Sleeping is the operative word when talking about the twins.
Not so in the case of Natasha.

[lostalex]

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

For sure. The twins don't seem like they are desperate for male attention at all, they seem to be very in control of their own sexuality, and don't let men get away with any BS.

[Ammi]

Do you reckon Hef can still even get it up? :laugh:

I think things are a bit more sedate in the mansion these days, play a lot of chess...less playmate and more stalemate

I have to say I'm liking the twins...they don't take any c*ap

[Niamh.]

For sure. The twins don't seem like they are desperate for male attention at all, they seem to be very in control of their own sexuality, and don't let men get away with any BS.

I think things are a bit more sedate in the mansion these days, play a lot of chess...less playmate and more stalemate

I have to say I'm liking the twins...they don't take any c*ap

I agree. I really thought I wouldn't like these two at all but they've pleasantly surprised me, they come across as intelligent and can read people well and don't let people get away with s**t, they're upfront and fiesty but not bitchy.

[Bojangles]

I think things are a bit more sedate in the mansion these days, play a lot of chess...less playmate and more stalemate

I have to say I'm liking the twins...they don't take any c*ap


I agree.

[kefln]

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".
And there lies the crux of my argument.

You believe that women should be d*mned for a preconceived notion of what they are like or what they might have done - rather than what they are and what they've actually done.

In your mind they are guilty, therefore they are dirt - your words - and they should remember their place in life. And so you start the witch hunt...

[Marsh.]

And there lies the crux of my argument.

You believe that women should be d*mned for a preconceived notion of what they are like or what they might have done - rather than what they are and what they've actually done.

In your mind they are guilty, therefore they are dirt - your words - and they should remember their place in life. And so you start the witch hunt...

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.

[fruit_cake]

I think things are a bit more sedate in the mansion these days, play a lot of chess...less playmate and more stalemate

I have to say I'm liking the twins...they don't take any c*ap

true, but it's easy not to take crap when you have you sister behind you to back you up all the time.

[MTVN]

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.

So.. what's your point, that they wouldn't win Moral Big Brother?

Edit - never mind, I see what you're saying now, that they're too full of self-importance considering their profession?

[Ammi]

true, but it's easy not to take crap when you have you sister behind you to back you up all the time.

Don't think it makes any difference tbh...Samanda didn't have any spark

[kefln]

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.
I mentioned “female power” once, just once. Yet you have continuously attacked the twins, calling them prostitutes, sluts, dirt, soulless. That they were on a sex rota, that they “earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world” therefore they should put up with whatever is said to them.

Now you are saying that maybe they didn’t sleep around, but some of the Playboy girls have, therefore they all should be tarred with the same brush! Which is a horrible generalisation, no matter which way you swing it.

I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

No. You are giving an opinion on what you believe Karissa and Kristina may have done, or haven’t done, cause you aren’t really sure. But you are pretty sure that some of the people that they may have met in the past could have done. Therefore, in your own words, the twins are “Dirty, horrid little sluts”.

And this thread is about the twins being arrogant, which is all down to interpretation and everyone will have a different opinion on that. However calling them prostitutes and sluts just because you don’t like their career choice…

[KenCasanova]

Nothing.

People disagree with their "career" and feel justified in saying what they want about them.



NO

Most people that dislike them, dislike them for their hypocrisy, over self-importance and being stuck up.

I really couldn't care less about them being glorified prostitutes(which i think a playboy model is).

[kefln]

NO

Most people that dislike them, dislike them for their hypocrisy, over self-importance and being stuck up.
HaHa! I think you just described alot of the celebs that have entered the BB house over the years.

A number of the housemates have commented on Andrews delusions of grandeur. And lets not forget the genius who once stormed out of the house because he had to wash his own underware. It takes all sorts.

As for being stuck up - them seem happy to chat to everyone. Hardly the norm for people that are stuck up.

I really couldn't care less about them being glorified prostitutes(which i think a playboy model is).
Then you don't understand what a prostitute is, but since you don't care, I guess that doesn't matter! :D

[kefln]

Most people that dislike them
And if most people dislike them, then they'll be booted sometime in the next two weeks and we'll never have to see them again...so what does it matter?

[Marsh.]

I mentioned “female power” once, just once. Yet you have continuously attacked the twins, calling them prostitutes, sluts, dirt, soulless. That they were on a sex rota, that they “earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world” therefore they should put up with whatever is said to them.

Now you are saying that maybe they didn’t sleep around, but some of the Playboy girls have, therefore they all should be tarred with the same brush! Which is a horrible generalisation, no matter which way you swing it.



No. You are giving an opinion on what you believe Karissa and Kristina may have done, or haven’t done, cause you aren’t really sure. But you are pretty sure that some of the people that they may have met in the past could have done. Therefore, in your own words, the twins are “Dirty, horrid little sluts”.

And this thread is about the twins being arrogant, which is all down to interpretation and everyone will have a different opinion on that. However calling them prostitutes and sluts just because you don’t like their career choice…

I'm not wasting time explaining again, everything is in my previous posts.

I said I'm judging them on what they've done.
Everything they have done 100% regardless of sleeping with Hugh Hefner makes them slutty. Gaining publicity (another FACT) with sex tapes.

This is largely out of proportion with their high sense of their own worth as though the "pervy" likes of Frankie and Kirk are beneath them and they deserve more respect. If they wanted respect without being sexualised then they wouldn't sexually objectify themselves for a living, and disrespect themselves.

This is a direct response to the thread's topic about their arrogance and attitude. Do not tell me how I'm generalising about promiscuous women, or making assumptions about rape victims. That's tangent to the discussion and the opposite of what I said.

[KenCasanova]

Interesting read on the truth inside the playboy mansion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1342643/Hugh-Hefners-Playboy-mansion-like-squalid-prison-say-Playmates.html#ixzz19e0QwoUf

Weird how alot of what's in the article echoes what the twins said. Allowances and sex parties etc.

[kefln]

I'm not wasting time explaining again, everything is in my previous posts.

I said I'm judging them on what they've done.

But most of what you have said has been to accuse them of being prostitutes...not what they have done...

[kefln]

Interesting read on the truth inside the playboy mansion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1342643/Hugh-Hefners-Playboy-mansion-like-squalid-prison-say-Playmates.html#ixzz19e0QwoUf

Weird how alot of what's in the article echoes what the twins said. Allowances and sex parties etc.
Interesting read, I’m sure the book will fly off the shelf and make the author millions. But we've all heard of the dodgy parties, the curfews and the allowances.

A quick search of the internet and I found another article:

Although St James rather blows her cover by mentioning in the prologue that the catalyst for her writing the book was meeting "one of the few elite actors who are members of the exclusive $20m-a-movie club". The actor, after chatting her up, was disturbed to discover that she once lived in the Playboy mansion, so Bunny Tales reads like an attempt at self-justification.

But she also genuinely believes that it was a small price to pay for entry into an MTV lifestyle. Oh, and the $20m-a-movie actor? She reveals at the end of the book that he changed his mind and that they're now dating. Well, thank goodness for that. I really think they could be very happy together.
So basically she used her position in the playboy mansion to make money off the stories and to bag a rich man...

[Marsh.]

But most of what you have said has been to accuse them of being prostitutes...not what they have done...

No. I compared them to prostitutes and said their profession, these nude centrefolds and all the rest of it are of no higher respect than a prostitute. Posing nude, all the jobs that go along with being a playmate is a fact and what they HAVE DONE. You can't dispute that. These facts coupled with their attitude as though they're worth more than being objectified screams contradiction and is where my issue comes from. So, to address the thread topic they are delusional and arrogant.

And my own personal suspicion of them sleeping with Hugh Hefner like most of the playmates do makes the ones that do practical prostitutes.

And yes, before you go crazy, that is my opinion. I've said it a dozen times so we'll move on now.

[calyman]

That would be called personal opinion.

The facts are that you, me and anyone reading this post have no idea what happened in the playboy mansion.

We can assume - we've all heard the stories - but we don't ACTUALLY KNOW what the twins and Hef ACTUALLY did together.

Their ACTUAL job was the promotion of the Playboy empire.

They even said that they weren't allowed down to half the parties there. That most of the time they were bored, just sitting around the house.

So yes d*mning someone as a prostitute based simply on how you view the situation...

And there are vast differences between a persons professional life and their personal life. Like it or not the so called glamour modeling life is a business and playboy is a part of that life. If a girl chooses to pose nude for a camera, that does not make her a *****. And believe it or not that doesn't mean that people can call her one.
In the same context, you defend them as if they haven't done any of those things, you justify their acknowledged sexual commerce as legitimate, which is merely your own personal opinion, no more relevant than the many others who see them as just highly paid sex workers who arrogantly expect to be treated with respect by others.

If they expect to be treated as "ladies", then why make a career built on being overpaid slappers who graduated from the Heffner Harem.

[Marsh.]

Exactly, Calyman.

The main point of my posts kefln is struggling to understand is that my judgements are made on facts outside of whether they slept with Heffer or not.

[calyman]

08Marsh, I think one other thing is relevant. Most prostitutes tend to be quite honest about what they do, who they are etc. I personally have no issue with sex workers, as the cliche goes "somebody's got to do it". What I take issue with is, the sex worker whose career is built on male interest, yet have the gall and arrogance to expect others to "respect" them for what they do. In my opinion being a career pro. in a sex industry does not necessarily promote gender independence.

I would always respect prostitutes as individuals, but I won't respect duplicitous bints who pretend they're more than they actually are.

[Marsh.]

Which was the central point of my argument. Thank you calyman you said it more concisely and respectfully than I managed. lol.

kefln, if you are still unclear on any of my posts just read calyman's above.

[RodHull]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem reallt self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.

So remind me when they stayed at the playboy mansion for 2 years sleeping with hideous old men and selling their bodies how exactly were they 'exploiting' hugh hefner??

Its ****ed thinking like this that makes modern women believe people like Jordan are feminists when in fact they are an absolute disgrace to the idea that women dont want to be viewed as objects.

[tweetypiebabe1]

They know what they have, and they know how to use it, and they arn't slaves to male attention. They manipulate males to get what they want, but they arn't slvts,

I think they are great. They seem really self aware, they know their bodies are what makes them marketable, and they are willing to use it to their advantage, but they won't let people taker advantage of them.

Good on them for turning their sexuality around to empower themselves. If men are going to be shallow and see them as sex objects, they turn it around and use it as a way to exploit men. They are smart girls.


I think those points hit the nail right on the head. They know what they have and they use it to manipulate men. Does it make them any better or any wiser? Who knows but it's certainly making them richer.

Whether you like um or lump um, they're great tv even though they do sometimes and probably will annoy the heck outta me.

[MTVN]

So remind me when they stayed at the playboy mansion for 2 years sleeping with hideous old men and selling their bodies how exactly were they 'exploiting' hugh hefner??

Its ****ed thinking like this that makes modern women believe people like Jordan are feminists when in fact they are an absolute disgrace to the idea that women dont want to be viewed as objects.

Because they lived off his fame and his money, and used it to create their own success

[calyman]

Because they lived off his fame and his money, and used it to create their own success
While of course the sainted Heffner didn't get any richer and his sexual exploitation allowed the twins to grow and develop as female role models.

[MTVN]

While of course the sainted Heffner didn't get any richer and his sexual exploitation allowed the twins to grow and develop as female role models.

Well of course he did, it was a relationship of mutual benefit

[vortex]

They are arrogant but I think almost everybody inside that house is arrogant aswell.

[hennessy]

why is this even a debate?
they think every women hates them because they're jealous and every man hates them because they want to get with them but are bitter because they'll be rejected.
there's a lot of more beautiful people who don't always mention how beautiful they are.
and yeah they slept with Hef

[Beso]

Yeah they are full of themselves, good to watch though.

[robb]

They are on their own against a gang, so I want them to stay.

[Vicky.]

They are very arrogant. Though I do think its one of them more than the other...

Still good housemates though...2nd faves for me, but its pissing me off a bit how they keep talking about how good looking they are :/