Paddy and the Twins (sexism)

[lostalex]

The Twins are vilified for being strong confident and unapologetic about being confident women, and they get booed.

But Paddy, by far the most sexist person ever to grace the BB house, is cheered and won the whole damn thing.

What can we learn? That confident women are hated, and confident men are celebrated?

Seriously, when you actually go back and listen to the things Paddy said about women and their "role" in the world, this man WON BB. BUt the Twins who are actually empowered women, probably the most confident and strong women to ever be in the house, are boo'ed.

I can't make sense of it.

[Cherie]

Spot on, but the Twins do have ALOT of support from the public, so dont be surprised if they do win....

[David R]

I think its more to do with the caliber of the eviction audience, either that or they are told by the producers to purposely mislead the house by cheering a certain way.

[Saph]

Fat Vanessa Feltz wishes she was as pretty as the twins.

I love how they dont care about what people think of them, like last night when they got booed they just shrugged it off :)

[rusticgal]

Fat Vanessa Feltz wishes she was as pretty as the twins.

I love how they dont care about what people think of them, like last night when they got booed they just shrugged it off :)

Why get so spiteful.... Vanessa always speaks her mind and she makes good valid points that others are too scared to make...so why get bitchy and personal.

The twins would shrug it off cos they are so convinced they are the best thing since sliced bread...their arrogance is unbelievable.

[Saph]

Why get so spiteful.... Vanessa always speaks her mind and she makes good valid points that others are too scared to make...so why get bitchy and personal.

The twins would shrug it off cos they are so convinced they are the best thing since sliced bread...their arrogance is unbelievable.

Vanessa is the spiteful, bitchy, personal one, I just state the truth :shrug:

[cell]

The only connection I can see between Paddy and the Twins is that they are both ignorant. Actually one twin is way worst then the other, so I shouldn't lump them together.

[MeMyselfAndI]

My friend actually mentioned exactly this yesterday :shocked:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Fat Vanessa Feltz wishes she was as pretty as the twins.

I love how they dont care about what people think of them, like last night when they got booed they just shrugged it off :)

Your avatar is a mix of Vanessa Feltz & Natalie

[Ammi]

I didn't think I would like the twins, but I do....I love their confidence, there's nothing wrong with believing in yourself...Vanessa Feltz was a tit on BBOTS, saying '...We Brits don't do that...' .....speak for yourself Vanessa, it's not because you're a Brit..it's because the closest you've ever got to being a playmate is being likened to a heffer

[Saph]

Your avatar is a mix of Vanessa Feltz & Natalie

okay :dance:

[kefln]

Lets compare…

Kirk, young over confident in his looks, has lived, from what I’ve heard, a fairly privileged life. Can’t pick out the US on a map, believes he’s Gods gift to women and his idea of a chat up line is “Nice tits are they real? Whanna come on holidays because I’m rich”.

Reaction from the crowd? Cheers…

The twins. Over confident in their looks, over the past few years have lived a fairly privileged life. Unsure of their general intelligence, but seem very switched on. Do believe that they are Gods gift to men. Believe that women are jealous of them and all men want to be with them.

Reaction from the crowd? Boo’s...

The difference is that cocky women tend to be vilified, while cocky men are glorified. It’s just the way the world seems to work.

[spintronic]

Lets compare…

Kirk, young over confident in his looks, has lived, from what I’ve heard, a fairly privileged life. Can’t pick out the US on a map, believes he’s Gods gift to women and his idea of a chat up line is “Nice tits are they real? Whanna come on holidays because I’m rich”.

Reaction from the crowd? Cheers…

The twins. Over confident in their looks, over the past few years have lived a fairly privileged life. Unsure of their general intelligence, but seem very switched on. Do believe that they are Gods gift to men. Believe that women are jealous of them and all men want to be with them.

Reaction from the crowd? Boo’s...

The difference is that cocky women tend to be vilified, while cocky men are glorified. It’s just the way the world seems to work.

You are 100% wrong.

Action twins Arrogance. Reaction = Still in the house.
Action Kirk Arrogance. Reaction = Eviction.

People may admire the twins confidence, but the people who do, tend to have low confidence & self esteem themselves.

I think (as human beings) the twins are vile disgusting trolls.

If inner beauty was portrayed on the outside as it is on the inside,

Romeo would look the same.
Gareth would be a lot better looking.
& the twins would look like a bad peanut that hit every branch of the ugly tree on it's 300 mile descent from that big tree in Avatar.

In other words. They repel me.

They are the 2 most disgusting waste's of skin that could have made some very nice alligator-shoes, handbags & wallets.

[Jamie.]

Fat Vanessa Feltz wishes she was as pretty as the twins.
Bang out of order.
vanessa is honest and is an ex-house mate, and was in the first CBB, so she knows the house and the ways of Big Brother better than the twins, so dont be so rude.

And the Twins have no respect for themselves or others.
I mean, look at them, play-mates, kinda says it all.

[vortex]

That is so true, Paddy is very sexist and he gets cheered, the twins may come off as arrogant but are actually very confident and aren't scared to tell a dude to get lost and get booed (by women) that's rather sad than amusing, double standards everywhere.

[kefln]

You are 100% wrong.

Action twins Arrogance. Reaction = Still in the house.
Action Kirk Arrogance. Reaction = Eviction.

People may admire the twins confidence, but the people who do, tend to have low confidence & self esteem themselves.

I think (as human beings) the twins are vile disgusting trolls.

If inner beauty was portrayed on the outside as it is on the inside,

Romeo would look the same.
Gareth would be a lot better looking.
& the twins would look like a bad peanut that hit every branch of the ugly tree on it's 300 mile descent from that big tree in Avatar.

In other words. They repel me.

They are the 2 most disgusting waste's of skin that could have made some very nice alligator-shoes, handbags & wallets.
100%?

You 100% didn't read my post.

I can understand that you dislike the twins and thats your opinion, which you are entitled too. I do object to your turn of phrase. I find it interesting that you comment on how only people with "low confidence" and "self esteem" could admire them. Yet use terms like "vile disgusting trolls" and that they could be turned into "alligator-shoes" and "handbags". Because that level of dislike is very comparable to blind following.

Personally I don't care. They don't effect my life in the slightest. They don't offend me and if I never saw them again it wouldn't bother me. In my mind they are entertainment on a TV show. In a weeks time I won't be able to remember which one is which. In a month I won't remember either of their names.

However, cocky women and cocky men are viewed differently and that point stands.

[spintronic]

100%?

You 100% didn't read my post.

I can understand that you dislike the twins and thats your opinion, which you are entitled too. I do object to your turn of phrase. I find it interesting that you comment on how only people with "low confidence" and "self esteem" could admire them. Yet use terms like "vile disgusting trolls" and that they could be turned into "alligator-shoes" and "handbags". Because that level of dislike is very comparable to blind following.

Personally I don't care. They don't effect my life in the slightest. They don't offend me and if I never saw them again it wouldn't bother me. In my mind they are entertainment on a TV show. In a weeks time I won't be able to remember which one is which. In a month I won't remember either of their names.

However, cocky women and cocky men are viewed differently and that point stands.


You know which one is which? Wow. I should get out more.

[kefln]

Bang out of order.
vanessa is honest and is an ex-house mate, and was in the first CBB, so she knows the house and the ways of Big Brother better than the twins, so dont be so rude.

And the Twins have no respect for themselves or others.
I mean, look at them, play-mates, kinda says it all.
Interestingly you seem to support the drug taking, w*nking, wants to sleep around as much as possible Frankie. The guy that said he'd happily have sex in the house, over the covers, with the lights on.

Don't get me wrong, he seems like a likable lad, but respect isn't high on his agenda...

[spintronic]

Interestingly you seem to support the drug taking, w*nking, wants to sleep around as much as possible Frankie. The guy that said he'd happily have sex in the house, over the covers, with the lights on.

Don't get me wrong, he seems like a likable lad, but respect isn't high on his agenda...


Taking a stance for the (self respect) of 2 young *****s who sleep with a 86 year old wrinkled corpse for cash, is a little optimistic in my opinion.


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[Samuel.]

People may admire the twins confidence, but the people who do, tend to have low confidence & self esteem themselves.

:joker:

[kefln]

You know which one is which? Wow. I should get out more.
Sorry - ignore this... I miss read...my apologies! Ironic in fact!

I tend to post while minding my two kids! :D :D :D

And I think one of the twins has freckles on her neck...

[kefln]

Taking a stance for the (self respect) of 2 young *****s who sleep with a 86 year old wrinkled corpse for cash, is a little optimistic in my opinion.


:spin::spin::spin:
You really haven't read a thing I said have you?

You just seem to be very blinded by your dislike of the twins.

[spintronic]

Sarcasm? Really?

This is a huge area of debate. There are thousands of papers, books and articles written on this topics.

Things like:

1) Are strong women are intimidating to men?
2) Why strong female characters are bad for women
3) What defines a strong female character
4) The de-powering of confident strong women
5) The worst stereotypes about powerful women

And yes...I read alot, so I've come across books on many subjects...

I'm *ALL* for "empowering women", "equality", & "self confidence".

However;

I'm *ALL* against "Arrogance", "Bullying Prom Queens", "Get on our side Georgia [you're good looking]", "Hate the better looking Nicola", "Tactical bitching that every female *BITCH* of the "Self Proclaimed In-Crowd" enforce on others @ the expense of others".
"Call 18 year olds horny lads PERVERTS, when you just climbed out of bed with a 86 year old PERV, behaviour, when in reality the TRUE reason they disliked Kirks & Frankie was their wallet size NOT the looks or Personality".

[spintronic]

You really haven't read a thing I said have you?

You just seem to be very blinded by your dislike of the twins.

I read every post I quote. I just don't agree with some.

[kefln]

I'm *ALL* for "empowering women", "equality", & "self confidence".

However;

I'm *ALL* against "Arrogance", "Bullying Prom Queens", "Get on our side Georgia [you're good looking]", "Hate the better looking Nicola", "Tactical bitching that every female *BITCH* of the "Self Proclaimed In-Crowd" enforce on others @ the expense of others".
"Call 18 year olds horny lads PERVERTS, when you just climbed out of bed with a 86 year old PERV, behaviour, when in reality the TRUE reason they disliked Kirks & Frankie was their wallet size NOT the looks or Personality".
First up...I deleted the above post because I had miss-read your previous post.

Second you just ran a comparison between Hitler and the Twins in another thread. That sort of thinking isn't worth arguing with.

Thirdly, I still don't think you've read a single thing I read, so I hardly think this post matters. I haven't defended the twins once. I've simply commented on the perceptional disparity between cockiness in men and women. Yet your argument just seems to be an attack on the twins. Over and over again. So we really aren't having the same conversation, just a monologue or your distaste.

[spintronic]

First up...I deleted the above post because I had miss-read your previous post.

Second you just ran a comparison between Hitler and the Twins in another thread. That sort of thinking isn't worth arguing with.

Thirdly, I still don't think you've read a single thing I read, so I hardly think this post matters. I haven't defended the twins once. I've simply commented on the perceptional disparity between cockiness in men and women. Yet your argument just seems to be an attack on the twins. Over and over again. So we really aren't having the same conversation, just a monologue or your distaste.


First.
I read every post I quote. I just don't make mistakes like reading "you" instead of "I".

Second.
I know you deleted the above post, what you don't know, is I replied before you changed it. So plz don't take offence.

Third.
Is it possible that it is you, & not me who aren't reading posts correctly?

Fourth.
I have said enough about the twins. I'll move on if it's offending YOU.

Fifth.
This ----> "I haven't defended the twins once" is incorrect.

:xyxwave::xyxwave::xyxwave:

[kefln]

First.
I read every post I quote. I just don't make mistakes like reading "you" instead of "I".

Second.
I know you deleted the above post, what you don't know, is I replied before you changed it. So plz don't take offence.

Third.
Is it possible that it is you, & not me who aren't reading posts correctly?

Fourth.
I have said enough about the twins. I'll move on if it's offending YOU.

Fifth.
This ----> "I haven't defended the twins once" is incorrect.

:xyxwave::xyxwave::xyxwave:
Can you show me where I've defended the twins?

So far I've said:
The twins. Over confident in their looks, over the past few years have lived a fairly privileged life. Unsure of their general intelligence, but seem very switched on. Do believe that they are Gods gift to men. Believe that women are jealous of them and all men want to be with them.
That is criticism.

And this?

Personally I don't care. They don't effect my life in the slightest. They don't offend me and if I never saw them again it wouldn't bother me.
I'm hardly signing up for the fan club, am I?

So no, you aren't reading my posts.

However I'm reading yours with interest. So far, to my above comments, you've replied "vile disgusting trolls", "alligator-shoes", "handbags" and "young *****s who sleep with a 86 year old wrinkled corpse for cash".

Your opinion is quite plan. Your tone and comments are d*mning.

And that you opened another thread by comparing them to Hitler, kinda says more than I can on this issue.

You aren't discussing sexism, or self-confidence compared to arrogance. You are attacking, using strong, graphical imagery. You are using this platform to vent your venom about these girls. But this isn't a debate, its a monologue.