Boy, 14, raped pensioner after asking to be let in to talk about the war

[arista]

Boy, 14, raped pensioner after asking to be let into her house to talk about the war

Asked OAP to take part in a 'taste test' of food she ate in the past
When she opened her eyes, she was confronted by his erect penis
Boy answered phone to pensioner's son just before 'revolting' attack
Teenager described as 'immature and damaged child'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089560/Boy-14-detained-public-protection-raping-pensioner-Banbury-Oxfordshire.html#ixzz1k61YZ9Xt

Damaged Child - yes
What needs to be done with this 14 year old from Oxfordshire?


The Old Lady is 77 years old


A Fair comment from the mail postings:

[Whats with the "poor boy we must protect his identity" How about name and shame then lock him up for twenty years then stand his parents in the dock for raising this foul excuse for humanity. A bit strong? He raped a 77 year old lady. Do the crime serve the time!

- roachclipper, Gods own country, 21/1/2012 07:35]

[lily.]

There are no words for how disgusting a crime this is.

Unfortunately the sentence will not reflect that fact.

[Me. I Am Salman]

WTF ****ing chav im guessing horrid putrid wanker

[Saph]

um ew.

[lily.]

um ew.

Well thought out response.

[Patrick]

Why-Rape-A-Pensioner?

[lily.]

Why rape anyone?

I'm guessing he chose a pensioner because she was an easy target. Unlikely to fight back as she was physically unable.

For me, the worst part is that he raped her anally. I know it's bad either way, but for some reason this just makes it so much worse in my view.

[Tom4784]

He should be given a much harsher sentence as well as psychiatric evaluation and care, he's obviously a very disturbed individual (as is anyone who would subject another human being to such cruelty) and I don't think a prison sentence alone would be enough.

[bbfan1991]

Horrific, that person obviously has issues to do that to an old lady. I hope that the woman is having lots of support to try and move on from this, however hard it will be:(.

[Lee.]

Why rape anyone?

I'm guessing he chose a pensioner because she was an easy target. Unlikely to fight back as she was physically unable.

For me, the worst part is that he raped her anally. I know it's bad either way, but for some reason this just makes it so much worse in my view.

Aw Christ! I didn't know that! That's ****ing disgusting!

[arista]

Why rape anyone?

I'm guessing he chose a pensioner because she was an easy target. Unlikely to fight back as she was physically unable.

For me, the worst part is that he raped her anally. I know it's bad either way, but for some reason this just makes it so much worse in my view.


Yes.

[Me. I Am Salman]

He should be given a much harsher sentence as well as psychiatric evaluation and care, he's obviously a very disturbed individual (as is anyone who would subject another human being to such cruelty) and I don't think a prison sentence alone would be enough.

or they could use that mallet in your avatar

[lily.]

Aw Christ! I didn't know that! That's ****ing disgusting!

I read the full article from the mail, and it was in there.

I'm assuming she'd never done that before, so it would be more painful/disturbing for her.

[Ninastar]

some truly disgusting people out there. It's just sad when you hear that they are that age.

Poor woman

[Glenn.]

Disgusting. I'm actually lost for words.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he did not rape her he sexually assaulted her but, unless I read it wrong, she stopped him. I think the intent was there.

He should be birched and then placed under supervision.

[SoBig]

he did not rape her he sexually assaulted her but, unless I read it wrong, she stopped him. I think the intent was there.

He should be birched and then placed under supervision.

The victim had been unable to get up from the floor because of restrictions in her physical mobility and the boy went on to rape her anally.

He raped her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He raped her.

I stand corrected.

he therefore should be executed

[lily.]

Poor old girl couldn't stop him. She wasn't fit to stop him. I can't even imagine how it would make me feel if I were her friend/family. She'll never get over this. She'll never feel safe in her own home again and she'll never trust anyone she doesn't know. So sad.

[Jack_]

Very disturbing. The lad obviously has issues, a full investigation should be launched into his home life, background and his parents and then appropriate action taken should they find anything serious. Aside from that, the sentence could be increased but he needs to get some psychiatric help and fast.

Oh, and not that it'd make any difference...but he should have to compensate his victim.

[Lee.]

Some lad near me did this years ago and was let out of jail recently.. he stupidly went to his local pub the night he was released and his own brother battered the crap out of him and left him for dead in the street... there was hardly a bone unbroken apparently. I hope this 14 year old deserves the same

[Lee.]

Some lad near me did this years ago and was let out of jail recently.. he stupidly went to his local pub the night he was released and his own brother battered the crap out of him and left him for dead in the street... there was hardly a bone unbroken apparently. I hope this 14 year old deserves the same

[Omah]

IMO, the only punishment to fit this crime is slow impalement of the perpetrator ..... :hmph:

[MTVN]

It sounds like he's a pretty messed up child, violent alcoholic father who's a sex offender himself, a mother who's had 3 partners who have had sexual assault convictions and he might even have been the victim of abuse himself. Very commendable of the woman as well, to have shown concern for the person who had raped her. I wouldn't let him out after 2 years and hopefully he won't be if he hasn't received serious psychiatric help

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why do people always blame stuff like this on the parents plenty of kids have an even worse upbringing and would never do something like this

[Mystic Mock]

why do people always blame stuff like this on the parents plenty of kids have an even worse upbringing and would never do something like this

This,the boy is just a psycho,no looking into his background just punish the bastard.

[MTVN]

It's pretty obvious though, that children are going to be far more prone to crime if they've had a bad childhood than a good one, it's not just a coincidence; these are the most susceptible years in a persons life

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

thats still no excuse
people saying he needs 'help' kmt how would you feel if he did this to your grandmother

[King Gizzard]

Agree exactly with MTVN's post. Tragic. We are who we are because of how are parents bring us up

However calling for him to be executed is laughable. Capital punishment on the whole is laughable.

[Mystic Mock]

Agree exactly with MTVN's post. Tragic. We are who we are because of how are parents bring us up

However calling for him to be executed is laughable. Capital punishment on the whole is laughable.

Not for killers it's not,but how about have one of the prisoners give this boy an eye for an eye,see how he likes it when it's done back to him.

[Lee.]

thats still no excuse
people saying he needs 'help' kmt how would you feel if he did this to your grandmother
Yeah, bad background or not, if he had done this to my grandma, the only help he would need would be with drinking his meals through a straw.

[InOne]

He needs to be away from our society for a long long time, possibly forever. If he's doing things like that at 14 I doubt he can be changed or even come to feel remorse.

[lily.]

I fully agree with Lee.. I'd do away with the wee b@stard if it were my gran for example...

But, in terms of what should be done with him by the legal system, I think he ought to be 'held' for a long time... not necessarily in prison.. perhaps in a secure psychiatric unit. He's clearly disturbed. Dangerous criminals like him need to be kept away from the general public as the chance of him re-offending is very high. The first priority should be the safety of others, then his needs can be taken into consideration after that.

[Ammi]

I don't know if this is a good comparison, but I'm thinking of one of Jamie Bulger's killers, Jon Venables..who is now back in prison for child pornography. I'm no convinced that children who commit these hideous crimes can be reformed. Their age and the nature of their crimes is an indication of a severely damaged mind. Of course it is sad that any parent could neglect their child's emotional well being to such an extent...but I doubt the damage can ever be undone and this boy is a danger and threat to society. I would rather he were 'hospitilised' than imprisoned, and I think it would take a lot longer than 2 years to even come close to healing him.

[Harry!]

Typically he will serve half his sentence, be bailed out, and given a new identity and have a life paid for by the taxpayers because an enployer will not want him. :bored:

[Livia]

Cut his c*ck off. Do it with all rapists. Actually... you'd only have to do it to one of them.

[Doogle]

Needs to be castrated, dirty wanker.

That poor woman, no one deserves to go through that. And I agree with Lily, the fact it was anally makes it somehow worse.

[Shasown]

Hopefully by the time this little piece of crap is released from prison, enforced chemical castration for all paedophiles and rapists has been brought onto the statute books.

[Jack_]

I'm sorry but there's some utterly barbaric suggestions being thrown about with out any care or thought whatsoever in this thread.

Those who suggest capital punishment, someone to rape him or anything of the like are just as bad as the guy himself and you are lowering yourself to his disgusting actions. Yes, we all know this is a truly revolting crime, and the punishment should be a lot harsher, but why is it that everyone is always so quick to jump up and call out for some of the most oddest, hypocritical punishments possible...it's like some sort of mob.

I agree with whoever said he needs to be kept away to protect the public's safety for as long as possible though, these types of issues don't go away overnight.

[Omah]

I agree with whoever said he needs to be kept away to protect the public's safety for as long as possible though, these types of issues don't go away overnight.

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense ..... :idc:

[Tom4784]

I'm glad that half the people in this thread ranting about violent punishments will never know a lick of power. If you fight fire with fire everyone ends up getting burned.

The law only works when it's held to a higher standard then the people it's judging, if any of the punishments people reccommended were actually implemented then how would that make us any better then criminals? The only difference between would be a misplaced sense of self righteousness.

You can always tell what a person is like by how they treat their lessers, not their equals.

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense ..... :idc:

It's a special kind of evil that would extinguish a life just for the sake of money when other options are readily available.


As I said before, if it as upto me I'd give him a longer sentence but would have made sure he got some sort of psychological care so that he's not a danger to anyone else when he is eventually released.

[Lee.]

Dezzy, I'm a very forgiving person and always try to see good in people and I do think people are entitled to a fair hearing, but are you honestly saying you wouldn't feel vengeance if your own grandma was forcefully buggered by some evil little bastard?

[Omah]

I'm glad that half the people in this thread ranting about violent punishments will never know a lick of power. If you fight fire with fire everyone ends up getting burned.

OTOH, getting "touchy-feely" with psychotic sex-offenders is misguided, naive and futile .....

The law only works when it's held to a higher standard then the people it's judging, if any of the punishments people reccommended were actually implemented then how would that make us any better then criminals? The only difference between would be a misplaced sense of self righteousness.

IMO, it's a question of economics not misplaced idealism and morality .....


You can always tell what a person is like by how they treat their lessers, not their equals.

What about their "betters"?

It's a special kind of evil that would extinguish a life just for the sake of money when other options are readily available.

The resources for the "other options" would be better used for law-abiding citizens .....

As I said before, if it as upto me I'd give him a longer sentence but would have made sure he got some sort of psychological care so that he's not a danger to anyone else when he is eventually released.

Why waste money on violent criminals who will never change ?

It would be better spent on the casualties of war .....

[MeMyselfAndI]

What a vile person, He'll never get better, might aswell get rid of it

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think if he does get help and he is 'cured' of whatever the **** is wrong with him the guilt of what he has done will be unbearable and he will have to live with that for the rest of his life which when you think about it, is punishment enough

[Tom4784]

Dezzy, I'm a very forgiving person and always try to see good in people and I do think people are entitled to a fair hearing, but are you honestly saying you wouldn't feel vengeance if your own grandma was forcefully buggered by some evil little bastard?

This isn't about me, iif you want to have a discussion about crime and punishment you have to put your emotions to one side otherwise your points will always be tainted by your emotional response.

OTOH, getting "touchy-feely" with psychotic sex-offenders is misguided, naive and futile .....

I see, just because I don't share your, quite frankly disturbing, bloodlust I must be some sort of soft type who goes around hugging rapists and murderers.

Good logic.

IMO, it's a question of economics not misplaced idealism and morality .....

Okay then let's live in your proposed world for a moment, in order to save money we kill the most vile of criminals, we then decide to save more money by then killing thieves, thugs, people with parking tickets ETC. If the Law is ruled by finance then it'll ultimately be ruled by greed in the end.



What about their "betters"?

But what about the Better's lesser's equals?

It's not difficult to throw out some cryptic meaningless crap to avoid a point.


The resources for the "other options" would be better used for law-abiding citizens .....

Because it's cheaper to simply imprison criminals? Your whole point about executions being a better option financially is ultimately flawed. In America it costs a lot more to execute someone then it would to imprison them since you have to go through years of appeals and court actions before you can execute anyone. It's cheaper to simply imprison someone and try to rehabilitate them so they aren't a danger to the public when (or if) they are released.


Why waste money on violent criminals who will never change ?

Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released?

[Omah]

I see, just because I don't share your, quite frankly disturbing, bloodlust I must be some sort of soft type who goes around hugging rapists and murderers.

Good logic.

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

Okay then let's live in your proposed world for a moment, in order to save money we kill the most vile of criminals, we then decide to save more money by then killing thieves, thugs, people with parking tickets ETC. If the Law is ruled by finance then it'll ultimately be ruled by greed in the end.

What "proposed world" ?

Ofcouse, you are free to dramatise ..... but the law is ruled by finance - property is more important than people - "it's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame" - robbing banks gets you locked up, but robber bankers grow fat on your cash .....

Because it's cheaper to simply imprison criminals? Your whole point about executions being a better option financially is ultimately flawed. In America it costs a lot more to execute someone then it would to imprison them since you have to go through years of appeals and court actions before you can execute anyone. It's cheaper to simply imprison someone and try to rehabilitate them so they aren't a danger to the public when (or if) they are released.

This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released?

Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

[arista]

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense ..... :idc:



Yes lots of things Do.
But we have No Death Penalty in the UK.


You talk like a Terminator Film Script.

[Livia]

People get angry when they read stuff like this. They get angrier still knowing that there is always a bunch of people hand-wringing and telling us we must be better than the scum that commit crime like this, and implying that they are so much more reasonable than people who want punishments to be harsh and fast. Unfortunately, the person responsible for this terrible crime will be treated with kid gloves and the system will bend over backwards to make sure his human rights are not violated. It's a pity htat the people already worrying about this criminal's treatment don't hold the same sort of high principles when it comes to giving some sympathy to the victim. It's easy to moralise when your life is unaffected by violent, senseless crime.

[Ammi]

People get angry when they read stuff like this. They get angrier still knowing that there is always a bunch of people hand-wringing and telling us we must be better than the scum that commit crime like this, and implying that they are so much more reasonable than people who want punishments to be harsh and fast. Unfortunately, the person responsible for this terrible crime will be treated with kid gloves and the system will bend over backwards to make sure his human rights are not violated. It's a pity htat the people already worrying about this criminal's treatment don't hold the same sort of high principles when it comes to giving some sympathy to the victim. It's easy to moralise when your life is unaffected by violent, senseless crime.

I am always conflicted with stories like this because a family member has been a victim of violence but I also work with young people and see how damaged a child can become by their parent's life choices and their environment. However unfair to the child that may be, the damage is a fact and when it has these type of results, it is often doubtful that it can ever be undone...so I would never, ever wish for that person to be let back into society when there was any uncertainty whatsoever to their mental state. That's not something I have the solution to as there is quite simpy not enough funding. You are correct, if this was my grandmother I know my gut instinct would be very different indeed, but it would be based on a personal and emotional feeling....it would be there of course, and it would rule all other feelings in me....but that doesn't mean it would be right. Emotional reactions very rarely are

[Livia]

I can't immediately assume that the person carrying out a crime like this is a product of bad parenting. Sometimes people have the best start in life and turn out to be scumbags. Sometimes people have appalling childhoods and turn into model citizens. There are, I know, lots of information to take into account when something like this happens. I'm not justifying some of the knee-jerk comments ,I made one myself, but I just cannot condone the woolly-minded liberalism that asks us to act in accordance with some higher moral thinking that dictates we must treat a crimal with the sympathy and understanding that the justice system does not seem to extend, in many cases, to the victim.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Ew at people sticking up for him :yuk:
What a vile trait

[Tom4784]

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

I'd rather be considered naive then disturbingly bloodthirsty. Like I said before how a person treats their lessers says a lot about them.



This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Yes it does, you just don't have a counter for it so you're doing the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

America's one of the few countries that's quite comparable to us in a lot of ways that still deals capital punishment so if it costs them tons of money to execute someone because of appeals, court procedures, Human Rights checks ETC then it would probably be a similar case in the UK if they brought back the death penalty. It's a fair comparison, you're just trying to void it because it destroys your little 'Killing people is financially sound' argument. Why don't you try another way to justify your bloodlust hmm?



Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

Okay then, what do you propose? Based on America, executions tend to cost more then life terms so what would you do? Bin all rehabilitation efforts just because it doesn't always work? Just let potential re-offenders rot in prison until they are released and free to do it all again? Like I've made a point of saying, all in all a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution so why would you not try to rehabilitate criminals for the sake of the public when they are released?

[Tom4784]

Ew at people sticking up for him :yuk:
What a vile trait

Reading Comprehension MM&I, I'd advise you practice it a bit more.

[Ammi]

I can't immediately assume that the person carrying out a crime like this is a product of bad parenting. Sometimes people have the best start in life and turn out to be scumbags. Sometimes people have appalling childhoods and turn into model citizens. There are, I know, lots of information to take into account when something like this happens. I'm not justifying some of the knee-jerk comments ,I made one myself, but I just cannot condone the woolly-minded liberalism that asks us to act in accordance with some higher moral thinking that dictates we must treat a crimal with the sympathy and understanding that the justice system does not seem to extend, in many cases, to the victim.

I do agree that every possible resource and help available appears to favour the criminal and not the victim and it is a very different reaction when it involves ourselves or our loved ones and yes there are some mindless tw*ts out there.. quite a lot of them. It is, as you say, difficult to remain sympathetic or understanding. I sometimes see the damage evolving from a very early age, and it makes no difference whether it is intentional or unintentional from the parents...it will not make the end result different. If someone harms someone, they remain harmed...and no amount of understanding will ever alter that. I don't know what the answer is Livia

[Omah]

I'd rather be considered naive then disturbingly bloodthirsty. Like I said before how a person treats their lessers says a lot about them.




Yes it does, you just don't have a counter for it so you're doing the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

America's one of the few countries that's quite comparable to us in a lot of ways that still deals capital punishment so if it costs them tons of money to execute someone because of appeals, court procedures, Human Rights checks ETC then it would probably be a similar case in the UK if they brought back the death penalty.

AFAIK, the legal and punitive systems in the U.S.A. are radically different from those in England, letalone the rest of the UK.

It's a fair comparison, you're just trying to void it because it destroys your little 'Killing people is financially sound' argument. Why don't you try another way to justify your bloodlust hmm?

As I said, you're judging me without knowing me - and you're even misquoting me, since I said "in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense"

Okay then, what do you propose? Based on America, executions tend to cost more then life terms so what would you do? Bin all rehabilitation efforts just because it doesn't always work? Just let potential re-offenders rot in prison until they are released and free to do it all again? Like I've made a point of saying, all in all a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution so why would you not try to rehabilitate criminals for the sake of the public when they are released?

"executions tend to cost more then life terms" & "a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution" - can you substantiate those statement with figures ?

Does rehabilitation work ? I have not yet done any research - if you have some figures, I'll be interested to check out your sources ..... ;

[Mystic Mock]

Ew at people sticking up for him :yuk:
What a vile trait

This.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't care about finacially,we need to think about this countries safety and we are better off without psycho's like him than with psycho's like him.