An American perspective on the latest episode of CBB:

[Liberty4eva]

Half the housemates might as well be potted plants. The only people that seem to be doing anything on their own accord are the twins. Aside from them, it was entertaining watching Michael talking to himself and love it that Denise was stunned that Michael stayed over Kirk and Natalie. Everyone else is just kind of hanging around. Even Gareth(?) only did something because it was his task to do it.

One of the things I notice is the twins are getting a weird amount of criticism for plotting and playing the game. Why do people fault them for wanting to last a little longer in the house and to save their own necks? Everyone is playing the game even if they don't admit it. It seems to me the rest of house has made a decision to gang up on the Americans and the twins are trying to do something about it. Is it really such a bad thing for them to WANT to advance themselves and get closer to winning? Are they all supposed to be on there and not care about winning? They all care about winning and they are all playing the game and twins seem to be the only ones that are open about it.

[rk3388]

i couldnt agree more. i loved them tonight

[Jords]

:worship:

[Jords]

They must be BBUS virgins.

[rogerb]

Half the housemates might as well be potted plants. The only people that seem to be doing anything on their own accord are the twins. Aside from them, it was entertaining watching Michael talking to himself and love it that Denise was stunned that Michael stayed over Kirk and Natalie. Everyone else is just kind of hanging around. Even Gareth(?) only did something because it was his task to do it.

One of the things I notice is the twins are getting a weird amount of criticism for plotting and playing the game. Why do people fault them for wanting to last a little longer in the house and to save their own necks? Everyone is playing the game even if they don't admit it. It seems to me the rest of house has made a decision to gang up on the Americans and the twins are trying to do something about it. Is it really such a bad thing for them to WANT to advance themselves and get closer to winning? Are they all supposed to be on there and not care about winning? They all care about winning and they are all playing the game and twins seem to be the only ones that are open about it.
i love the twins, totally agree

[JAJ1942]

I agree

[chuff me dizzy]

Give me the "Potplants" ANYDAY ,if THIS rabble is the best the producers can import from USA ,they dont want to bother again ,to date there has not been ONE decent Yank hm8 ,and this years dregs of society are the worst ever

[Pyramid*]

Give me the "Potplants" ANYDAY ,if THIS rabble is the best the producers can import from USA ,they dont want to bother again ,to date there has not been ONE decent Yank hm8 ,and this years dregs of society are the worst ever

You really are coming across very bigoted and a more than a tad Xenophobic.

Apart from that - the twins and Michael have absolutely MADE the show this year.

[David R]

You really are coming across very bigoted and a more than a tad Xenophobic.

Sounds more like borderline rasict to me.

[Pyramid*]

Sounds more like borderline rasict to me.

I didn't want to put it quite so directly - but I have to agree. It's becoming unbelievably tedious.

[chuff me dizzy]

You really are coming across very bigoted and a more than a tad Xenophobic.

Apart from that - the twins and Michael have absolutely MADE the show this year.

For YOU

[chuff me dizzy]

Sounds more like borderline rasict to me.

Not racist at all, just against any form of bullying ,and ALL 3 Yanks this year have been bullies in one shape of form

[Liberty4eva]

Sounds more like borderline rasict to me.

I try not to get wound up by his comments and, frankly, it's actually kind of easy. I always consider the source and the source is someone who has a smoking baby as his avatar. Clearly not someone to be taken seriously.

[karezza]

The twins may be oapaedos but I love them.

[ozzyshaggah]

i admire the twins fighting attitude
i hope they make the final but for me denise is the winner

[Bojangles]

I like the twins as well.I think they are heading for a career in the UK.Good luck to them.

[chuff me dizzy]

I like the twins as well.I think they are heading for a career in the UK.Good luck to them.

In Soho maybe

[dyfed]

I try not to get wound up by his comments and, frankly, it's actually kind of easy. I always consider the source and the source is someone who has a smoking baby as his avatar. Clearly not someone to be taken seriously.

Please try to keep to the topic and don't get personal ...

[dyfed]

In Soho maybe
:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Livia]

The twins may be oapaedos but I love them.

You really are going to flog the 'oapaedos' thing to death, aren't you. It was funny once. Once.

[chuff me dizzy]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Only then if they are short of staff !!

[saiwong]

Getting back to the original question.

Having worked overseas in America for 11 years I can see why the original
poster is puzzled by the British reaction to the Twins. In America the
strategic style of gameplay is admired on shows such as 'Survivor'.
However there is a tendancy not to like this in the UK. So it is partly a
cultral preference issue.

Even as strategic players, there are many ways you can do this.
I think the Twins are precieved as playing with a cold ruthless style
that does not come down well.
This is opposite to players such as Yel Kwon on 'Survivor: Cook Islands'
who held on to the respect of his jury members.

[chuff me dizzy]

Getting back to the original question.

Having worked overseas in America for 11 years I can see why the original
poster is puzzled by the British reaction to the Twins. In America the
strategic style of gameplay is admired on shows such as 'Survivor'.
However there is a tendancy not to like this in the UK. So it is partly a
cultral preference issue.

Even as strategic players, there are many ways you can do this.
I think the Twins are precieved as playing with a cold ruthless style
that does not come down well.
This is opposite to players such as Yel Kwon on 'Survivor: Cook Islands'
who held on to the respect of his jury members.

Last time i looked this was BIG BROTHER UK,We do not suffer fools gladly ,nor do the majority of the British public like arrogance and downright nastiness, certainly not in Northern UK

[Suze]

Michael and the Twin's are making this show for me. Am so glad they lasted into the finals week :)

[Liberty4eva]

Getting back to the original question.

Having worked overseas in America for 11 years I can see why the original
poster is puzzled by the British reaction to the Twins. In America the
strategic style of gameplay is admired on shows such as 'Survivor'.
However there is a tendancy not to like this in the UK. So it is partly a
cultral preference issue.

Even as strategic players, there are many ways you can do this.
I think the Twins are precieved as playing with a cold ruthless style
that does not come down well.
This is opposite to players such as Yel Kwon on 'Survivor: Cook Islands'
who held on to the respect of his jury members.

It does kind of baffle me. This is the impression I get about BBUK. You have 12 or however many Housemates. They all know that whoever is the last one standing will get a massive cash prize but they're not supposed to want it. They're not supposed to try to get to the end. They're just supposed to be there to enjoy the experience. :conf: This must be the only game where it's a sin to actually try to play the game. The best way to play is to do so subtly.

But, on a high note, if the UK public doesn't like people who are playing the game, then Michael is your winner. I don't think he cares at all if he wins and is content to let whatever is going to happen happen.

[Jules2]

Half the housemates might as well be potted plants. The only people that seem to be doing anything on their own accord are the twins. Aside from them, it was entertaining watching Michael talking to himself and love it that Denise was stunned that Michael stayed over Kirk and Natalie. Everyone else is just kind of hanging around. Even Gareth(?) only did something because it was his task to do it.

One of the things I notice is the twins are getting a weird amount of criticism for plotting and playing the game. Why do people fault them for wanting to last a little longer in the house and to save their own necks? Everyone is playing the game even if they don't admit it. It seems to me the rest of house has made a decision to gang up on the Americans and the twins are trying to do something about it. Is it really such a bad thing for them to WANT to advance themselves and get closer to winning? Are they all supposed to be on there and not care about winning? They all care about winning and they are all playing the game and twins seem to be the only ones that are open about it.

Good post, I am British but I would like Michael or the twins to win. They are great.

[lostalex]

Not racist at all, just against any form of bullying ,and ALL 3 Yanks this year have been bullies in one shape of form

Oh really?? So you were praising the twins when they were sticking up for Georgia when she was being ostracized and bullied? I must have missed that.

[Niamh.]

The Twins and Michael have made the show this year imo. It's true that in past years the British public didn't like game players, but I think that attitude is changing, especially since BB moved to channel 5 and the forums seem to have more of a say on how things pan out in there.

The Twins may be confident but then so was Natalie, she was convinced she was staying last friday, so why is that not big headed but the twins are?

Also, people have said Michael and the twins are bullies but what about the clique in there? all ganging up and being quite nasty to Georgia in there, the Twins were the only ones decent to her. Then Natalie had the cheek to say that she felt hurt when the twins nominated her, yet she nominated them......along with nearly everyone else, how does she think they feel?

[Glenn.]

It does kind of baffle me. This is the impression I get about BBUK. You have 12 or however many Housemates. They all know that whoever is the last one standing will get a massive cash prize but they're not supposed to want it. They're not supposed to try to get to the end. They're just supposed to be there to enjoy the experience. :conf: This must be the only game where it's a sin to actually try to play the game. The best way to play is to do so subtly.

But, on a high note, if the UK public doesn't like people who are playing the game, then Michael is your winner. I don't think he cares at all if he wins and is content to let whatever is going to happen happen.

Big Brother UK has never really been about competition. Ever.
When it started here it was ground-breaking reality TV.

A housemate who was plotting to influence nominations in the first series was thrown out, and was actually hated for his game plan.

Britain doesn't like a game-player in Big Brother. Its not that type of show here.

[lostalex]

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

[Pyramid*]

Last time i looked this was BIG BROTHER UK,We do not suffer fools gladly ,nor do the majority of the British public like arrogance and downright nastiness, certainly not in Northern UK

And it's for that precise reason that Natalie in particular got the old heave ho on Friday night. You can bet her fellow witches Denise and Nicola will follow suit soon.

The Americans are showing the British housemates up - for it's the British ones that are being arrogant and downright nasty.

You heard the witches - so arrogant they are none of them could believe that Kirk and Natalie went - even she herself was gobsmacked. And you call the American's arrogant! LOL

[Pyramid*]

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh their so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

No, not all the women. Just the British ones in the house - they are an embarrassment to be honest.

[Niamh.]

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

Very true Alex.

[Jesus.]

I don't think Americans are a race, so it's not really racism.

[lostalex]

I don't think Americans are a race, so it's not really racism.
American is a nationality and a culture. Racism includes culture, nationality, and ethnicity, it's not just the color of your skin.. Pakistani isn't a race eigther, it's a nationality, but it's racist to call someone a P@ki, isn't it?

[Jesus.]

American is a nationality and a culture. Racism includes culture, nationality, and ethnicity, it's not just the color of your skin.. Pakistani isn't a race eigther, it's a nationality, but it's racist to call someone a P@ki, isn't it?

Most white Americans, are of European heritage, and fled Europe to be free of religious persecution. Ironically, to a place now rife with religious persecution. Work that out.

"P@ki" has a historical context to it, that disliking Americans doesn't. They are also of Middle eastern/Arabian descent. Which certainly is a race. I think xenophobic is the correct word (as another poster already mentioned), but it's not racism. We are generally of the same race.

[lostalex]

Most white Americans, are of European heritage, and fled Europe to be free of religious persecution. Ironically, to a place now rife with religious persecution. Work that out.

"P@ki" has a historical context to it, that disliking Americans doesn't. Thay are also of Middle eastern/Arabian descent. Which certainly is a race. I think xenophobic is the correct word (as another poster already mentioned), but it's not racism. We are generally of the same race.

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying that anti-Americanism isn't racism, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that Americans that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.

[Pyramid*]

For YOU

Clearly for ME- who else would I be posting on behalf of? :conf:

I'll ask again: if the 'Yanks' as you call them have made it all such a hellish ordeal for you - why on earth are you still watching the show. If they have ruined it for you, why are you still tuning in.:whistle:

[Pyramid*]

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying anti-Americanism isn't racist, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that American's that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.


No it is not. It is a fear or hatred of strangers or anything/one foreign.

[lostalex]

No it is not. It is a fear or hatred of strangers or anything/one foreign. so is racism.

[Jesus.]

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying anti-Americanism isn't racist, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that Americans that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.

Did the poster say they disliked all Americans, or the few American HM's that have been in CBB? Because there definitely is a distinction.

Jews are a race of people, though.

[lostalex]

Did the poster say they disliked all Americans, or the few American HM's that have been in CBB? Because there definitely is a distinction.

Jews are a race of people, though.

discriminating against jews is racism yes, but jews are mostly white europeans but you just said discriminating against white europeans is not racism.... so now you've contradicted yourself.

[Jesus.]

discriminating against jews is racism yes, but jews are mostly white europeans but you just said discriminating against white europeans is not racism.... so now you've contradicted yourself.

Jews are not white Europeans, though. I'm really confused as to where you get some of your history from.

[Suze]

Big Brother UK has never really been about competition. Ever.
When it started here it was ground-breaking reality TV.

A housemate who was plotting to influence nominations in the first series was thrown out, and was actually hated for his game plan.

Britain doesn't like a game-player in Big Brother. Its not that type of show here.

I am British, and I like the game playing as long as it doesn't venture into over the top nastiness with and towards others. I liked Nick and he shouldn't have been chucked out of BB1, he wasn't evil, just a pretty good gameplayer up to that point, but on the other hand he got exposure out of it all and he seems to have done well since the show, and it brought the show the attention it needed, so it all worked out well in the end.

I don't think it has anything to do with Brits or other cultures, races et el; as to how we view certain housemates and aspects of a show, it has to do with our indivdual tastes in my opinion.

[Jesus.]

Just for the record, too, the Americans in this series are my favourite HM's and have made the show, this season.

[lostalex]

Jews are not white Europeans, though. I'm really confused as to where you get some of your history from.

ummm, so what are they then? are there arab jews? yes, are there black jews yes, are most jews white europeans? yes. Just like Americans. But you say discriminating against jews is racist, but against Americans is not?

seems hypocritical to me.

[wendywillow]

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

[Jesus.]

ummm, so what are they then? are there arab jews? yes, are there black jews yes, are most jews white europeans? yes. Just like Americans. But you say discriminating against jews is racist, but against Americans is not?

seems hypocritical to me.

Jews are an ethno-religious group, they may have moved into Europe, but they are not white Europeans.

[lostalex]

Jews are an ethno-religious group, they may have moved into Europe, but they are not white Europeans.

So you're telling me that you can tell a jew from a gentile just by looking at them? That's racist.

[Suze]

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

I honestly can't see that they are any more arrogant than a lot of housemates who do BB, and arrogance up to a certain point doesn't bother me, it sometimes makes a housemate that little bit more interesting, rather than just being wallpaper. After all arrogance must be a big part of why a majority are chosen for BBs in the first place, as the producers know that would give many of us decent viewing.

[Jesus.]

So you're telling me that you can tell a jew from a gentile just by looking at them? That's racist.

So you are saying that if you can't tell the ethnic history of someone, just by looking at them, then they all belong to "white European?" Think about that statement a little more, then really think which of those statements is racist.

[lostalex]

So you are saying that if you can't tell the ethnic history of someone, just by looking at them, then they all belong to "white European?" Think about that statement a little more, then really think which of those statements is racist.

NO, i've said before, that everyone is mixed race, that's why it's not just the stereotypes about how you look that makes you a certain race,. I'M SAYINg that racism is about PERCEIVING someone as DIFFERENT and INFERIOR that makes it racism.

If you PERCEIVE someone as DIFFERENT, whether because of culture, ethnicity, religion, nationality it's all racism. It's all the same type of PREJUDICE. because that's what racism is, prejudice.

[Jesus.]

NO, i've said before, that everyone is mixed race, that's why it's not just the stereotypes about how you look that makes you a certain race,. I'M SAYINg that racism is about PERCEIVING someone as DIFFERENT and INFERIOR that makes it racism.

If you PERCEIVE someone as DIFFERENT, whether because of culture, ethnicity, religion, nationality it's all racism. It's all the same type of PREJUDICE. because that's what racism is, prejudice.

What about if that group of people, namely Jews, perceive themselves differently, solely because of culture, ethnicity, religion, etc?

[lostalex]

What about if that group of people, namely Jews, perceive themselves differently, solely because of culture, ethnicity, religion, etc?

Like i said before, anti-semitism IS racism. Hitler was a racist, even though the jews and gays he killed were mostly white skinned. Racism is more about culture than it is about skin color, imo.

[Jesus.]

Like i said before, anti-semitism IS racism. Hitler was a racist, even though the jews and gays he killed were mostly white skinned. Racism is more about culture than it is about skin color, imo.

You're going round in circles. Antisemitism is racist, because the Semites (Jews) are a race of people. Skin colour is irrelevant, and I don't think anyone in this thread has said it's about skin colour.

[lostalex]

You're going round in circles. Antisemitism is racist, because the Semites (Jews) are a race of people. Skin colour is irrelevant, and I don't think anyone in this thread has said it's about skin colour.

actually you said because Americans are majority white european decent, then it's not racism.

And so if someone is anti-semetic to someone who is not "racially" jewish, like a convert, then you don't think that's racist anymore? Like whoopi Goldberg, if someone said something anti-semetic to Whoopi Goldberg you'd say it wasn't racist, because she's not "racially" jewish?? really?

[Jesus.]

actually you said because Americans are majority white european decent, then it's not racism.

And so if someone is anti-semetic to someone who is not "racially" jewish, like a convert, then you don't think that's racist anymore? Like whoopi Goldberg, if someone said something anti-semetic to Whoopi Goldberg you'd say it wasn't racist, because she's not "racially" jewish?? really?

I was just making the point that Americans are Europeans. So being racist against your own racial group is on the difficult side. In fact, it becomes xenophobia, which clarifies my original argument.

I would expect everyone everywhere to be disturbed by racism. I just wouldn't expect people to have to go to such lengths to try and manufacture a racism debate.

[lostalex]

Well i think we disagree about the definition of racism, which is fine, because like i said, it's turned into more of a political catch-all term, and it's confusing for a lot of people.

I think i've put more thought into it than you have though.

i really appreciate the fact that we've been able to have such a mature conversation about it though. A Lot of people on this forum are not able to have such a respectful conversation about such a controversial issue,. So i praise and appreciate you for that.

[Carniala]

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

[lostalex]

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beutiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

they are not wrong.

And please tell me anything they've done that was nasty. How have they been mean or nasty to anyone??? They havn't.

[fitz2k2]

get out of my mind charles! lol

[smartalec2718]

Well i think we disagree about the definition of racism, which is fine, because like i said, it's turned into more of a political catch-all term, and it's confusing for a lot of people.

I think i've put more thought into it than you have though.

i really appreciate the fact that we've been able to have such a mature conversation about it though. A Lot of people on this forum are not able to have such a respectful conversation about such a controversial issue,. So i praise and appreciate you for that.

Lostalex, I have never really agreed with you on much, and I have to disagree with you again here. "Racism" means discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, and "race" refers to common descent, ancestry, or heredity. The classification system used to subdivide people into races depends on observable characteristics like heritable phenotypes (basic physical variations like eye color, etc.), geographic ancestry, physical appearance, and ethnicity. Race does NOT have to do with culture and nationality, as you claim. An American of Polish descent and a Polish national have different cultures and nationalities, but they're of the same race because they're from a common ancestry.

If I were to ask you what the typical "American" looks like, you'd probably tell me that's a dumb question, right? America is an incredibly diverse place founded and populated by immigrants from the world over, representing tons of different ethnic groups. Everyone in America certainly doesn't come from the same origin, so it would be erroneous to say there is an "American race". An American culture, identity, nationality, sure - but not a race. Racism, then, is a feeling of superiority or a tendency to persecute based on differences in origin/ancestry. So it's impossible to be racist against Americans as a whole - maybe you meant prejudiced or discriminatory towards.

Just there are two differing opinions on an issue doesn't mean one is objectively right. And though it wasn't directed at me, I was struck by the presumptuousness of your claim that "I think I've put more thought into it than you." That seems needlessly arrogant, even for you.

[lostalex]

Lostalex, I have never really agreed with you on much, and I have to disagree with you again here. "Racism" means discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, and "race" refers to common descent, ancestry, or heredity. The classification system used to subdivide people into races depends on observable characteristics like heritable phenotypes (basic physical variations like eye color, etc.), geographic ancestry, physical appearance, and ethnicity. Race does NOT have to do with culture and nationality, as you claim. An American of Polish descent and a Polish national have different cultures and nationalities, but they're of the same race because they're from a common ancestry.

If I were to ask you what the typical "American" looks like, you'd probably tell me that's a dumb question, right? America is an incredibly diverse place founded and populated by immigrants from the world over, representing tons of different ethnic groups. Everyone in America certainly doesn't come from the same origin, so it would be erroneous to say there is an "American race". An American culture, identity, nationality, sure - but not a race. Racism, then, is a feeling of superiority or a tendency to persecute based on differences in origin/ancestry. So it's impossible to be racist against Americans as a whole - maybe you meant prejudiced or discriminatory towards.

Just there are two differing opinions on an issue doesn't mean one is objectively right. And though it wasn't directed at me, I was struck by the presumptuousness of your claim that "I think I've put more thought into it than you." That seems needlessly arrogant, even for you.


Well you are wrong. there are White africans, there are Black europeans, and there are people who identify as white or black, even though people might perceieve them to be the opposite of what they idenify with. Colour has nothing to do with race, because there is no race, geneteticists have already proven that. If you can figure out anyone who is a specific race then you should call a scientist, because scientists have not been able to identify a singular race at all. We're all mixed "race" and therefore it's all about self-identity and culture, nothing to do with any kind of real "race". that's the truth.

When people use the word racism, they actually are talking about prejudice.

[Jules2]

Not racist at all, just against any form of bullying ,and ALL 3 Yanks this year have been bullies in one shape of form

Would definitely disagree re Michael, he has had a lot to put up with and had Denise not been so forceful with him in the beginning things could have been different. The house was turned against him but of course no one wants to think that D could be a bully, maybe not a bully but other words could fit in. The twins kept moreorless to themselves in the beginning.

Being british I feel quite distressed about the quality of our supposed celebrities, a few have put me off of their programmes altogether and I sincerely hope they do not get into any other slots.

[saiwong]

all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

I think this type of statement is a cultural thing.

In the UK we may be brought up to say something like :

"If I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

however, in America you may be brought up to say something like :

"When I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

Using 'When' instead of "If" may be considered arrogant and big headed.
However, the culture in the USA is positive thinking. It is not "if" you are
going to pass your exams, it is "when" you pass your exams.
This can backfire, when heard by people from different nations and
perceived as being cocky and arrogant.

[Jules2]

I like the twins as well.I think they are heading for a career in the UK.Good luck to them.

Not if that perisher on BOTS has got anything to do with it cant stand the bloke. Was it a fair assessment last night for BOTS to give Denise her appraisal by a friend who really felt for her and then give that other idiot the right to praise the twins, he didnt!!! He criticised them and the Americans. Not fair BOTS, not at all.

[Jules2]

I think this type of statement is a cultural thing.

In the UK we may be brought up to say something like :

"If I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

however, in America you may be brought up to say something like :

"When I pass my degree I want to be an office manager"

Using 'When' instead of "If" may be considered arrogant and big headed.
However, the culture in the USA is positive thinking. It is not "if" you are
going to pass your exams, it is "when" you pass your exams.
This can backfire, when heard by people from different nations and
perceived as being cocky and arrogant.

I totally agree and I do believe in positive thinking. Doesnt hurt to try :hugesmile:

[Jesus.]

I totally agree and I do believe in positive thinking. Doesnt hurt to try :hugesmile:

American children rank number one in the world when it comes to confidence, but 37th when it comes to actual achievement. I'll try and dig out the survey I read a while back.

[jasper]

:hello::hello::hello:Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

[billy123]

If behaving like a snidey **** is admired in america you can keep it we dont want it over here.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well all I see in the twins game is nastiness and the feeling that they think they are superior to everybody else around them, all they say all the time is: "we are beautiful, we are intelligent and they are so stupid and jealous of us because we are beautiful"

Beauty comes 90% from the inside and 10% from the outside look, and exterior beauty only last so long and if the rest of your beauty (inside it is) is lacking then it does not take long before all you are is the ugliest around.

The twins might have some external beauty ( about a 6 out of 10) but inside they are (1 out of 10) and I am being very generous. All they think about is themselves, and do they even think to be nice or even acknowledge the rest of the housemates or anybody else on this planet, I really doubt it TBH.

They have been raised as princess and they act like Pratt, they have no talent what so ever, they have I suspect no knowledge of anything useful.They have hearths of stone and are devoid of any true feelings toward anybody but themselves.

So please tell me what is it to love about them?

EXCELLENT !and I dont even think they are pretty,never mind beautiful, as you say beauty starts within and these 2 are rank rotten ,Karissa could be a Gail Platt lookalike chinless wonder !! not pretty,not nice

[chuff me dizzy]

If behaving like a snidey **** is admired in america you can keep it we dont want it over here.

:worship::worship:

[DigitalMethod]

What i find ironic is the apparent bi-polar disorder most "voters" seem to suffer from. I mean, for example on BOTS at first they were all for Romeo, now they (rightfully) are starting to turn on him. Interesting, they (and most user here) continue to preach that it's about entertainment value and how they want people in the house that will start sh*t.
Now here we have a situation where someone has done exactly that (the twins) and oddly the public seems to have lost some of its "twin fever" and Frankie is now favored to win. How funny that the one person last night who was trying to defuse the situation is now all of a sudden in everyone's good graces? Laughable.

If you want drama then you dont back the person in the house who is trying to stop the drama from happening. It's clearly a sheep mentality the voting public (seem) to follow, unable to stick to a solid opinion.

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