ACTA - Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement - To be voted on in EU Parli. on 14th June

[Scarlett.]

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[Smithy]

6 and a half mins? :sad:

can you condense it into a sentence or two? :joker:

[Scarlett.]

6 and a half mins? :sad:

can you condense it into a sentence or two? :joker:
Basically governments what the internet to be heavily watched, and want to straight out ban any kind of copyright breaking, even if you're just promoting someone you like, say, like you signature and avatar.

[lostalex]

why are you making 2 threads about the same thing?

[Mystic Mock]

When will these stupid people learn that they've lost? the majority don't want them to behave like China so **** off and sort out the emmigration problems,and the gun problems aswell.

it's ashame that i'm speaking about America like this as the everyday person over there seem nice but there Governments (Republicans in paticular) are absolutely crazy.

[lostalex]

When will these stupid people learn that they've lost? the majority don't want them to behave like China so **** off and sort out the emmigration problems,and the gun problems aswell.

it's ashame that i'm speaking about America like this as the everyday person over there seem nice but there Governments (Republicans in paticular) are absolutely crazy.

"stupid people" really? so you are perfectly hapy to have your work stolen and sold by someone else?

That fat bastard from new zealand was making millions for doing nothing, yu think that's right???

[Mystic Mock]

"stupid people" really? so you are perfectly hapy to have your work stolen and sold by someone else?

That fat bastard from new zealand was making millions for doing nothing, yu think that's right???

No but there's worser crimes out there than what he was committing and you can't deny that surely.

[Scarlett.]

why are you making 2 threads about the same thing?

ACTA is a whole different ball game to those old American bills, this is a trade agreement between several countries.

Again, I have no problem with protecting copyright, but turning into a China-esque policed state is NOT they way to go about it. Suppression of information is a very dangerous game.

[Mystic Mock]

Exactly Chewy and we should not be told what Avatar or Signatures we should have either.

[lostalex]

Exactly Chewy and we should not be told what Avatar or Signatures we should have either.

i didn't say anything about yur ava or sig, wtf are you on about??

[Mystic Mock]

i didn't say anything about yur ava or sig, wtf are you on about??

Not you,that is what the American Government is planning on doing,now how is that stealing money from the Americans?

[Scarlett.]

I think going after the uploaders of copyrighted material e.g. films, books, games are the ones who should face charges, and they deserve punishment.

But, think of it like this:

Minecraft is a indie game that rose to fame because people made Youtube videos, Tweeted about it, blogged about it on tumblr, talked and posted pictures of it on forums. Now consider this, all those methods of promotion are banned, Minecraft, possibly the biggest most revolutionary game in recent years would have simply been ignored. The developers don't benefit, they lose out, there's no websites to promote their games because they're illegal under ACTA.

[lostalex]

Those methods wouldn't be banned, unless those major wwebsites didn't properly moderate them. The internet is MEDIA, if the TV stations and newspapers are expected to carefuly chose what they publish, then why shouldn't major websites also be responsible for what they publish??

The truth is Google and Facebook and Twitter should be hiring hundreds of Americans to edit their websites, they get away with having a minimum staff though. Why can't google, a multi-billion dollar company hire hundreds of Americans to monitor it's site? Google could create hundreds of new jobs if this bill passed. That would be Good for the American economy.

These multimillion dollar companies are trying to get away with having people m onitor themselves, when they could be creating thousands of new jobs in the American economy.

They arn't protesting because they are worried about censorship, they are protesting because they don't want to have to create new jobs, and actually GIve Americans JOBS.

[MTVN]

I'm not even that bothered about copyright uploaders, intellectual property sucks

[lostalex]

Google and all these other silicon vally companies are not worried about censorship, they are worried about having to do more work, and hiring more people, causing their bottom line to go down, and losing PROFITS.

Cause if they had to hire people to moderate their sites, they'd lose PROFITS.

[lostalex]

hey don't want to have to HIRE more PEOPLE, that's the real issue.

[Scarlett.]

Google and all these other silicon vally companies are not worried about censorship, they are worried about having to do more work, and hiring more people, causing their bottom line to go down, and losing PROFITS.

Cause if they had to hire people to moderate their sites, they'd lose PROFITS.

Youtube does moderate it's site, thats why its alive under current law, Google doesn't block sites (except for morally questionable ones), it's a search engine, it searches the internet. Liveleak and Youtube are worried about censorship, they are amazing FREE platforms for unadulterated truths, no half truths from Mr. Senator who has a bulging pocket full of bribe money, no lies from Mr. Rupert Murdoch's empire. Sites like Youtube and LiveLeak show the world as it really is, and the companies don't like it.

The internet as it stands today is the ownly place that the people truely control, the internet is free from the lies that Ministers and Senators want you to believe.

[Samuel.]

Poland is planning to sign the agreement apparently. I don't really know what that means in the grand scheme of things though :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

Poland is planning to sign the agreement apparently. I don't really know what that means in the grand scheme of things though :shrug:

That the Mayans was right.:bawling:

[Scarlett.]

Poland is planning to sign the agreement apparently. I don't really know what that means in the grand scheme of things though :shrug:Anonymous attacked a bunch of Poland's government websites, Poland is now unsure

[Mystic Mock]

Anonymous attacked a bunch of Poland's government websites, Poland is now unsure

Why did Anonymous do that for? now we've got two countries possibly entering into dictatorship.

[arista]

Google and all these other silicon vally companies are not worried about censorship, they are worried about having to do more work, and hiring more people, causing their bottom line to go down, and losing PROFITS.

Cause if they had to hire people to moderate their sites, they'd lose PROFITS.



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[Scarlett.]

Why did Anonymous do that for? now we've got two countries possibly entering into dictatorship.

Because they were going to sign the ACTA

[Ramsay]

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/25502-eu-countries-including-i
Well there we go..we're ****ed

[billy123]

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/25502-eu-countries-including-i
Well there we go..we're ****edThats a damn nightmare right there.
ACTA is horrific it makes it legal to carry out deep packet inspections on all of your internet traffic so they can monitor everything you do online including your personal emails :nono:
There was an enquiry called the gallo report that was to see if there was a need for ACTA and if it was backed by people in the entertainment industry.
The final gallo report came with the backing via signatures of some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry.
Strangely some of the people they claimed had signed it swore that they hadnt and two of the names were of people that had been dead for at least four years.
They still used the gallo report as proof for the need of ACTA :nono: corrupt as hell.

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[Scarlett.]

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/25502-eu-countries-including-i
Well there we go..we're ****ed

Not so, we need to persuade the EU Parliment to vote against it by July

[Scarlett.]

The final version of ACTA is very different to earlier drafts, which would have forced countries to disconnect internet users if they were found to be repeatedly sharing copyrighted content. The EU rejected this proposal, and other ideas, such as criminalising the use of a mobile phone camera in a cinema, also fell by the wayside.

The European Commission maintains that ACTA will not require any legal changes in the Union. It argues that the treaty will align IPR enforcement standards in other countries with those already enshrined in EU legislation.

"It simply does not change EU law," trade commission spokesman John Clancy told ZDNet UK. "The freedom of the internet that existed before — people's access and the way they use the internet — will not change because of ACTA."

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2012/01/26/uk-signs-acta-as-activists-urge-resistance-40094914/

[MTVN]

Germany, the Netherlands, Estonia, Cyprus and Slovakia were the only ones not to sign it, although apparently the signatures will be worthless if the European Parliament votes against it in June so there's still hope yet

Edit - yeah I was reading that article too ^

[Scarlett.]

It looks like the EU cut off ACTA's balls lmao

[Mystic Mock]

I still don't want it to go through as Governments are lying bastards so how are we suppose to believe them 100%

[Scarlett.]

I still oppose it, but I'm glad the EU is more aware of the internet than the American government

[Mystic Mock]

I still oppose it, but I'm glad the EU is more aware of the internet than the American government

Because the American Government is backward.

[Scarlett.]

Because the American Government is backward.

They do have their clever senators, but then they have an overwhelming amount of ones who know **** all about the internet and the impact that limiting it would have.

[Stu]

Grimnir's been surprisingly quiet on this whole issue. I think the men behind the curtain have gotten to him.

[Scarlett.]

Grimnir's been surprisingly quiet on this whole issue. I think the men behind the curtain have gotten to him.

Haha, I thought something similar :joker:

[Stu]

Sean Sherlock - the Irish minister signing the ACTA bill ...

http://i.imgur.com/JZkjX.png

What a bloke.

[Mystic Mock]

Grimnir's been surprisingly quiet on this whole issue. I think the men behind the curtain have gotten to him.

**** the C.I.A are coming to get us.:bawling:

[Samuel.]

http://i.imgur.com/AZiwi.png
http://i.imgur.com/Xo2WS.jpg

Wow.

[MTVN]

Lmao that's amazing :joker:

[Ramsay]

lolololololol

[Scarlett.]

That's actually pretty amazing

[MTVN]

According to an article I read they were MP's of the Palikot's Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palikot's_Movement), they're quite a small party with 41 seats out of 460 but it's good to see them making a stand against it anyway

[lostalex]

Because the American Government is backward.

The American Government is backwards for supporting it's own industries really? How many Americans are illegally downloading German TV shows, or German Music?? gimme a break.

The American Government is doing it's job of protecting American citizens and American Industry by protecting American artists, We all know the vast MAJORITY of illegal downloading is of AMERICAN ARTISTS. So how is it backward???

Heaven forbid the American Government try to protect the interests of America, shame on them, so backward! SO backward for a democratically elected government actually try to protect their own people's work and businesses.

[Mystic Mock]

The American Government is backwards for supporting it's own industries really? How many Americans are illegally downloading German TV shows, or German Music?? gimme a break.

The American Government is doing it's job of protecting American citizens and American Industry by protecting American artists, We all know the vast MAJORITY of illegal downloading is of AMERICAN ARTISTS. So how is it backward???

Heaven forbid the American Government try to protect the interests of America, shame on them, so backward! SO backward for a democratically elected government actually try to protect their own people's work and businesses.

Alright i've got loads of faults in your post.

1. The Government does not care about the businesses losing out on money,they just want to have more power over the Internet because places like Youtube keep catching them out on some of the bull**** lies that they come out with.

2. Are you honestly telling me that Americans don't use piracy? especially when it comes to Japanese Anime aswell.

3. These people in the Governments are hypocrites because I bet they break some laws,I know Labour was quite bad for breaking laws over here so I imagine they've broke laws in the past but I bet they wouldn't want there law breaking to be stopped would they?

4. The only reason it seems like Americans lose more money than other countries is because they invest in the TV and Film industry the most.

[billy123]

lostalex how do you watch BBUK?

#hypocritical

[Mystic Mock]

lostalex how do you watch BBUK?

#hypocritical

:worship::cheer2:

[Patrick]

This is like SOPA and PIPPA but far worst.

Constant surveliance? GTF.
I swear, It feels like George Orwell's 1984 is coming to life. I'm not even kidding.

THIS CAN'T GET PASSED.

[Patrick]

lostalex how do you watch BBUK?

#hypocritical

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw9j2zg4Yl1qii1wu.gif

[Mystic Mock]

This is like SOPA and PIPPA but far worst.

Constant surveliance? GTF.
I swear, It feels like George Orwell's 1984 is coming to life. I'm not even kidding.

THIS CAN'T GET PASSED.

Exactly Patrick.

We need to find away to get through to these morons,but how?

[Patrick]

Protests, Fighting, War, Making ourselves heard and not just on the Internet etc

Action must be took ASAP.
None of these silly 'lets get say no 2 sopa trending hehe' or bloody petitions, people have to get themselves heard before it's too late.
It's scary aswell how many people are unaware this is even happening.

[Mystic Mock]

Protests, Fighting, War, Making ourselves heard and not just on the Internet etc

Action must be took ASAP.
None of these silly 'lets get say no 2 sopa trending hehe' or bloody petitions, people have to get themselves heard before it's too late.
It's scary aswell how many people are unaware this is even happening.

Protests will be Plan A,fighting Plan B,and war Plan C,that would be my suggestion anyway.:joker:

But I do agree with you as Internet users don't get taken seriously sadly.

[Stu]

Yeah let's go to war! Show me your war scream!

****ing dolts :joker:. Neither of you will so much as send a letter to a single politician. You'll just sit there and complain that nothing will have an effect and offer zero viable alternatives. Maybe the occasional Facebook share. Nagging to death on TiBB ... viva la revolution!

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah let's go to war! Show me your war scream!

****ing dolts :joker:. Neither of you will so much as send a letter to a single politician. You'll just sit there and complain that nothing will have an effect and offer zero viable alternatives. Maybe the occasional Facebook share. Nagging to death on TiBB ... viva la revolution!

Oh trust me if they are gonna start a dictatorship then I will protest to the bitter end,also war is Plan C.:joker:

[Scarlett.]

I'm gonna take a **** on David Cameron's bike
















Even though Cameron isnt an MEP

[billy123]

There is a petition that will be presented to all members of the EU parliment urging them to vote against ACTA the original aim was to try and gather 500k signatures the petition currently a stands at over 1 million and is gaining signatures at a rate of over 100 a minute consider signing it if you value your privacy.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?cszPrbb

[Jack_]

Signed.

[Scarlett.]

Also signed, with the amount of signatures, they would be stupid to ignore it

[lily.]

Sean Sherlock - the Irish minister signing the ACTA bill ...

http://i.imgur.com/JZkjX.png

What a bloke.

Is he related to Noeschitt?

[lily.]

Signed, tweeted and tumblr'ed... Now for some LOLs:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyokyzNlOa1robizuo1_400.jpg