My opinion of Denise has changed....... and I feel a fool

[Petershaw1984]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

[chuff me dizzy]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

You have seen the light !!!! and I agree 100% it was sheer bullying 3 onto 1 is always bullying and at one time I thought one of the twins(white jumper) was going to hit her, she got very close to her face ,can you imagine the boos these 3 are going to get tomorrow night?I wonder if they will say its canned boos as they did last week :joker: ,and yet they have both said they expect it to be Denise and Frankie out tomorrow !! how arrogant ? do they think the public will defend their actions? if they do they are in for a BIG shock

[Jesus.]

I'm not sure you've been dramatic enough. Try again.

[Petershaw1984]

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

[Petershaw1984]

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

[Petershaw1984]

I'm not sure you've been dramatic enough. Try again.

Jesus! Get over yourself

[chuff me dizzy]

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

No you have not ,we all have a right to our own minds, its what makes us,us, I think security will be stepped up as it was for Makowsis eviction ,that night it was unreal ,and IMO tomorrow will beat it hands down ,there will be 3 hated hm8s leaving not just one

[karezza]

The twins are shrewd manipulators.

[Jesus.]

Jesus! Get over yourself

Maybe some caring fm would get over me instead. After all, winning because of pity is the new cool. Who wants to give me some pity-romancing?

[Livia]

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.

[Scotty07]

Poor Denise:bawling:, she misses in her words "Gang of 3" and now she is suddenly another BB victim of bullying.:idc:

[smudgie]

:nono: Don't feel ike a fool, we are all human. I don't feel a fool changing my mind about Frankie.

[chuff me dizzy]

Maybe some caring fm would get over me instead. After all, winning because of pity is the new cool. Who wants to give me some pity-romancing?

Shilpa was glad of the"pity win" as lets face it without pity she would never have won ,Denise is a totally different scenario Denise HAS been bullied ,and her votes will be because people want to show Nicola,Twins and Michael that bullies never win

[Jesus.]

Changing your mind shows intelligence, and shows you are open to new information.

[Jezzy]

Chuff, we will have to disagree on this one, because I think Denise is as much of a "bully" as she has been "bullied".

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff, we will have to disagree on this one, because I think Denise is as much of a "bully" as she has been "bullied".

NEVER :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked: Go wash you mind out young lady !!!!!!!! :shocked::shocked::shocked:(joking ,you have your own mind)

[Jackie]

Denise to win

[chuff me dizzy]

Denise to win

:worship::worship:

[Jesus.]

Shilpa was glad of the"pity win" as lets face it without pity she would never have won ,Denise is a totally different scenario Denise HAS been bullied ,and her votes will be because people want to show Nicola,Twins and Michael that bullies never win

Shilpa won so we, as a country, could try and right some wrongs inflicted upon her in the house. The Shilpa case is very different to Denise. The whole racism issue was massive in the whole country

Denise has been bullied? I don't think she has at all. Michael did his best to avoid her, but she kept picking away at him bit by bit.

Denise instigated it last night. The twins were too dramatic, but there was no bullying.

[chuff me dizzy]

Shilpa won so we, as a country, could try and right some wrongs inflicted upon her in the house. The Shilpa case is very different to Denise. The whole racism issue was massive in the whole country

Denise has been bullied? I don't think she has at all. Michael did his best to avoid her, but she kept picking away at him bit by bit.

Denise instigated it last night. The twins were too dramatic, but there was no bullying.

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her" :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

[Incensed]

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.


I totally agree with this 100%

[Ammi]

...so..let me see...if a girl pulls her top up, what she's really doing is saying it's ok for someone else to pull her pants down. In a club, where most would have had a few drinks if I saw a girl pull her top up and flash her bra...she would be giving me permission to pull her pants down, not just me..but anyone that felt like having a drunken laugh. Oh...but this wasn't in a club of about 200 people...this was on National TV..in front of thousands of people...oh, that's different then...

[Monkey Slut]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

[Ammi]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

Well said...everything stemmed from Denise's behaviour when she's had a drunk and that she doesn't know where to draw the line....but she's never once accepted any blame or STOPPED drinking ...she keeps on...every ****ing night

[Lostie!]

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.

I like this post. :) Although I'm a Denise fan, I've thought about the events of the night and they all demonstrated flaws.

[InOne]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

Absolute nonsense.

[Lostie!]

Absolute nonsense.

Not really. :cat:

[Kazanne]

Absolute nonsense.

Not at all,it's someone elses opinion and just as valid as anyone elses.

[Cherie]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

People usually get VERY emotional when they have had a shedload of drink taken.... :hugesmile:

[MrWong]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

Never heard of him!! :hmph:

So it's the twins fault for reacting the way they did, not Denise's fault for instigating the whole thing. Oookay.

Nicola tried to seperate Kristina and Denise so it wouldn't escalate. The drunken hag wouldn't let it lie then Frankie stuck his beak in so Nicola thought, right ****** it.

Denise's emotion was as fake as the twins t!ts and used to manipulate the group into giving her sympathy.

Most people i know are happy drunks. Denise is a trainwreck when she drinks. She gets aggressive and acts inappropriately.

That wasn't bullying, you cheapen the meaning by using that term in this instance.

The twins aren't one person you know.
Kristina flashed her bra. Karissa didn't.
You say that you don't condone it but you then try and justify the incident by saying one of the twins lifted her top. You also assume they are promiscuous. And if you weren't trying to justify it why even mention those things?

Frankie's the slag by the way. (90 women and counting...) :idc:

[Petershaw1984]

Never heard of him!! :hmph:

So it's the twins fault for reacting the way they did, not Denise's fault for instigating the whole thing. Oookay.

Nicola tried to seperate Kristina and Denise so it wouldn't escalate. The drunken hag wouldn't let it lie then Frankie stuck his beak in so Nicola thought, right ****** it.

Denise's emotion was as fake as the twins t!ts and used to manipulate the group into giving her sympathy.

Most people i know are happy drunks. Denise is a trainwreck when she drinks. She gets aggressive and acts inappropriately.

That wasn't bullying, you cheapen the meaning by using that term in this instance.

The twins aren't one person you know.
Kristina flashed her bra. Karissa didn't.
You say that you don't condone it but you then try and justify the incident by saying one of the twins lifted her top. You also assume they are promiscuous and if you weren't trying to justify it why even mention those things?

Frankie's the slag by the way. (90 women and counting...) :idc:

:crazy:

You will soon realise the error of you ways.

[Jesus.]

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her" :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

The slight was not against the poppadom, and that misses the whole issue spectacularly. You don't have to use the race of the person in order to be racist, and Jade was racist. It's disappointing that you can't see how how racist Jade was, but you've got your opinion and I doubt I could change that in one paragraph.

I just implore you to do some research.

[MrWong]

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her" :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

.

[MrWong]

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her" :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

.

[wendywillow]

denise messed up by pulling down the pants (you dont do that even if she were a pornstar/ho which shes not) and the twins were wrong to totally overreact, well one did anyway.....basically a drunken mess. i feel for denise cause i like her and when she drinks she just gets herself into trouble...

[chuff me dizzy]

The slight was not against the poppadom, and that misses the whole issue spectacularly. You don't have to use the race of the person in order to be racist, and Jade was racist. It's disappointing that you can't see how how racist Jade was, but you've got your opinion and I doubt I could change that in one paragraph.

I just implore you to do some research.

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

[Bojangles]

The twins are turning into naggers now and boring everyone with harping on about the incident.

[Bojangles]

I hope they get evicted tomorrow with Nicola.

[MrWong]

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w7LkNe-zLnQ/SduLKh-rbLI/AAAAAAAAAE8/sat5JDvHpu8/s400/Jade.jpg

Jade was racist. End of subject!

[chuff me dizzy]

I hope they get evicted tomorrow with Nicola.

Me too ,they are SO sure they have won this show and Denise and Frankie are leaving tomorrow ,wine chilling ,door will be locked, phone off the hook and I will be glued to the tv

[cell]

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.

[vortex]

Everybody was wrong in the situation and the alcohol fueled the fire to unnecesary proportions.

[Kazanne]

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.

She slipped up tonight when she said "I was too busy calculating how to react"that was very telling.

[smudgie]

She slipped up tonight when she said "I was too busy calculating how to react"that was very telling.

Very telling indeed, I think she forgot herself for a moment.:hugesmile:

[Jesus.]

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

Sorry, but you don't get to decide what the facts are, and when it's end of subject.

I asked you to research, not the events of the series, but why that could be classed as racist.

You made the point that poppadom is not a race, not me. Why are you so anti discussing this with me? You have a valid opinion (in your own mind) then you should be more than happy to justify it. I defended you in another thread about you being racist against the Americans (a least I think it was you, but apologies if it isn't), so I do not have any issues with you at all.

[Marsh.]

Not at all,it's someone elses opinion and just as valid as anyone elses.

This.

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her" :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

I'm pretty sure all Woolies stores have closed lol. But, can you not take the subject into the appropriate Jade and Shilpa thread.

[JAJ1942]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

That is my view also, Denise just wouldn't let go so I don't see where all this Denise sympathy is coming from, she still won't admit that she did anything wrong, as always with Denise it was just "fun" well people have different ideas of "fun" and she should be more aware of other people not just me, me, me all the time - disgusting woman.

[Semtex]

It looks like waterworks works on some people.

[Angus]

It looks like waterworks works on some people.


Absolutely right. Denise has played the public way more than the Twins have. Denise also plays her husband, her friends and family and her fans, all of whom have enabled her unacceptable behaviour for years to the point that she thinks she can get away with it whenever she wants, and people just have to "forgive" her. Why should Denise seek help for her problems when she has shed loads of apologists explaining on her behalf why she is a poor ickle victim that nobody "gets"? Why is it everyone else's fault that they have no sense of humour and situations go tits up when Denise wants to get rat a*sed and come out to play. Everyone is expected to "understand" Denise - WHY FFS? There's nowt to understand really, she is as shallow as a puddle of cheap wine.

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Denise because it is abundantly clear that people enjoy laughing AT her - she is a figure of fun now and someone to be pitied, and whose fault is that? I'd say it's the fault of those who continue to make excuses for her, which gives her no incentive whatsoever to seek help for her alcohol addiction. If you're a depressive like Denise, the last thing you need is to be on the sauce continually. It's all going to end in tears if those who care about her don't rein her in. Who will they blame then? Not themselves I bet:idc:

[Kizzy]

i wish someone would knock the violins off, denise is as scheming, manipulative and self serving as as the other girls. Im not fooled maybe karissa did use a situation to her advantage however who creates all these situations?..denise.

[Semtex]

She doesn't cry for anyone else's feelings, she cries for her own.

[Spring]

Would love Denise to go tonight but the twins are the bad guys with lots yet Denise started it all oooh poor Denise NOT

[kefln]

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.
Most people, when something unexpected, or unwanted, happens, your brain goes through a series of reactions. This process isn’t exactly helped by the addition of alcohol.

She was shocked at first, unsure how to take it. But she did stand up and walk away from Denise and let her feelings be known. Eventually broke away from the group and went to the kitchen area, where Denise followed her, the twin asked for it to be dropped. Denise as usual didn’t seem to be listening. The twin then went out to the garden and seemed to get into a real stew about what had happened, stormed into the diary room, where she lost the plot altogether.

It was a logical progression, following the stages of anger. Shock, with a bit of embarrassment, followed by an outburst of rage and with a lot of melodrama thrown in.

My only question on this is if it happened on the normal BB, with a “normal” girl, how would the public react? A 50 something year old woman, with alcohol issues, pulling down a 20 something year old’s pants, during a song and dance? If everyone was honest about it, there would be serious repercussions.

However because of the 20 something year old in question, people are happy enough to pin the blame on her, just as much as the 50 something year old. And that doesn’t make sense.

[Beso]

Considering we CAN'T vote the twins out I imagine they could survive tonight.

[kefln]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.
This post is spot on.

Denise did wrong. But rather than walking away from the situation, she kept on and on about it. Then used Nicola as a deflection for her own bad behaviour.

The "argument" became more about Nicola pushing the button than Denise pulling down the pants of one of the twins...

[kefln]

Absolutely right. Denise has played the public way more than the Twins have. Denise also plays her husband, her friends and family and her fans, all of whom have enabled her unacceptable behaviour for years to the point that she thinks she can get away with it whenever she wants, and people just have to "forgive" her. Why should Denise seek help for her problems when she has shed loads of apologists explaining on her behalf why she is a poor ickle victim that nobody "gets"? Why is it everyone else's fault that they have no sense of humour and situations go tits up when Denise wants to get rat a*sed and come out to play. Everyone is expected to "understand" Denise - WHY FFS? There's nowt to understand really, she is as shallow as a puddle of cheap wine.

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Denise because it is abundantly clear that people enjoy laughing AT her - she is a figure of fun now and someone to be pitied, and whose fault is that? I'd say it's the fault of those who continue to make excuses for her, which gives her no incentive whatsoever to seek help for her alcohol addiction. If you're a depressive like Denise, the last thing you need is to be on the sauce continually. It's all going to end in tears if those who care about her don't rein her in. Who will they blame then? Not themselves I bet:idc:
Great post.

[Beso]

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.

[kefln]

i wish someone would knock the violins off, denise is as scheming, manipulative and self serving as as the other girls. Im not fooled maybe karissa did use a situation to her advantage however who creates all these situations?..denise.
Again spot on.

Most of the "fights" and "uncomfortable" moments of the series have been caused by Denise drinking, then doing or saying something stupid. We then witness Denise crying in a puddle, blaming everyone else and telling the world that no one understands her.

The problem is that we do.

She has a drinking problem and has no sense of boundaries.

[kefln]

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.
Yeah...

Denise used the events of a few days ago as ammo to dig herself out of ANOTHER hole. She attempted to shame someone else rather than face up to the FACT that yet again her drinking had caused problems.

[Beso]

Yeah...

Denise used the events of a few days ago as ammo to dig herself out of ANOTHER hole. She attempted to shame someone else rather than face up to the FACT that yet again her drinking had caused problems.

They were all drinking.

[Livia]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

Great post... not sure how anyone could disagree with this.

[kefln]

They were all drinking.
Yes they were.

Yet the arguments always evolve around something that Denise says or does...

[Beso]

Yes they were.

Yet the arguments always evolve around something that Denise says or does...

A lot of it revolved around Nicola's name calling of Denise.

[kefln]

A lot of it revolved around Nicola's name calling of Denise.
You mean the "liar" comment?

Where a few hours earlier there was a question whether Denise's buzzer was working, or if she was involved in a secret task?

Something that Denise felt so strongly offended by, that she waited for hours, until she got drunk, did something stupid (again), then attempted to play the victim by lashing out at Nicola. Deflecting the responsibility of her actions by shaming someone else?

Pure class, from the bottom of a bottle...

[Beso]

You mean the "liar" comment?

Where a few hours earlier there was a question whether Denise's buzzer was working, or if she was involved in a secret task?

Something that Denise felt so strongly offended by, that she waited for hours, until she got drunk, did something stupid (again), then attempted to play the victim by lashing out at Nicola. Deflecting the responsibility of her actions by shaming someone else?

Pure class, from the bottom of a bottle...

She explained why she kept quiet only going on the attack after feeling attacked herself..no big issue for me as she wasn't even that drunk to be fair.

[kefln]

She explained why she kept quiet only going on the attack after feeling attacked herself..no big issue for me as she wasn't even that drunk to be fair.
Exactly she went on the attack when she felt attacked...

The argument started because of Denise.

Nicola tried to get twin #2 out into the garden, but Denise and Frankie kept the fighting up.

Denise then said that she didn't see what the big deal was, because twin #1 "takes her tits out for a living". Which showed her true feelings on the matter and her very unapologetic stance. However that statement enraged ex-glamour model, Nicola. Who quite rightly started to argue that past actions do not make it ok to pull someone's clothes off.

To which Denise started whining and whaling about Nicola pushing the button and been called a liar. This had nothing to do with the original argument, she just used it as ammo to divert the conversation. And it allowed Denise to play the victim, rather than the aggressor.

The woman attempted to shame another woman into silence, rather than deal with her own actions.

Amazing how Denise seems to be clearly able to remember every slight against her. But seems completely unable to understand why her own actions might have been inappropriate. The woman uses the "victim" role so effectively that she uses it to attack.

[rusticgal]

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...:dance:

[kefln]

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...:dance:
Yes d*mn those twins...they were asking for it...they were hoping for it...thank God there was a 53 year old drunk in there willing to show them whats what...

[Petershaw1984]

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...:dance:

A few people on this forum could do with watching this episode again as a neutral and then see what tere opinions are on the matter.

I still stand by the Denise did wrong comments but for 3 bitches/cows to then attack her in such a away that the men felt so uncomftorble they stayed quiet is shocking.

I've now decided that a vote for Romeo everyone I've voted for Denise is a vote well spent.

So far I've spent about 10-15 quid saving Denise and about 3 quid saving Romeo. I would be so happy to have Denise the last women standing on Friday.

[Ammi]

A few people on this forum could do with watching this episode again as a neutral and then see what tere opinions are on the matter.

I still stand by the Denise did wrong comments but for 3 bitches/cows to then attack her in such a away that the men felt so uncomftorble they stayed quiet is shocking.

I've now decided that a vote for Romeo everyone I've voted for Denise is a vote well spent.

So far I've spent about 10-15 quid saving Denise and about 3 quid saving Romeo. I would be so happy to have Denise the last women standing on Friday.

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

[chuff me dizzy]

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.

Denise wiped the floor with all 3 of them ,then along came 19 yr old Frankie and mopped up the dregs

[Cherie]

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

Never fails to make me laugh, how people rewrite what is before their eyes. Great point Ammi:joker:

[Petershaw1984]

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

When I say three bitches/cows I mean kristinna as 1 bitch and Nicola as the other 2 because she is a Bitch and a 2 faced cow

And oneore thing don't make me watch it again I've already seen it 4 times now. Feels like I was there

[Ammi]

When I say three bitches/cows I mean kristinna as 1 bitch and Nicola as the other 2 because she is a Bitch and a 2 faced cow

And oneore thing don't make me watch it again I've already seen it 4 times now. Feels like I was there

try again...and pay attention this time

[InOne]

Denise wiped the floor with all 3 of them ,then along came 19 yr old Frankie and mopped up the dregs

Frankie was destroyed by the less agressive Twin rather easily :joker: If Karissa has got to him he would've probably left the house.

[chuff me dizzy]

Frankie was destroyed by the less agressive Twin rather easily :joker: If Karissa has got to him he would've probably left the house.

You wish :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Petershaw1984]

try again...and pay attention this time



I can't believe how much you have just put me in my place with just 2 stinging replies to a post.

*walks away feeling a little intimidated*:nono:

[Ammi]

Frankie was destroyed by the less agressive Twin rather easily :joker: If Karissa has got to him he would've probably left the house.

Oooo I just thought of that Sister Sledge song......'Frankie, do you remember me..

[InOne]

You wish :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

I think it's pretty obvious, the Beiber comment almost made him have a breakdown :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

I think it's pretty obvious, the Beiber comment almost made him have a breakdown :joker:

Whos now the odds on fav to win ?

[Ammi]

I can't believe how much you have just put me in my place with just 2 stinging replies to a post.

*walks away feeling a little intimidated*:nono:

...it's pantomime...come on....get back in the ring :hugesmile:

[InOne]

Oooo I just thought of that Sister Sledge song......'Frankie, do you remember me..

:joker:

[Petershaw1984]

I felt really sorry for Denise yesterday when she was "told" about her actions by big brother. The poor woman just crumbled in her chair. Maybe she realised that it was pretty serious and people would have seen it I don't k ow but I just reall feel for her and want her to win

[InOne]

I felt really sorry for Denise yesterday when she was "told" about her actions by big brother. The poor woman just crumbled in her chair. Maybe she realised that it was pretty serious and people would have seen it I don't k ow but I just reall feel for her and want her to win

Yet she still didn't properly say sorry to Karissa and made a sarky comment to them at the end of the evening. She is no winner :idc:

[Ammi]

I felt really sorry for Denise yesterday when she was "told" about her actions by big brother. The poor woman just crumbled in her chair. Maybe she realised that it was pretty serious and people would have seen it I don't k ow but I just reall feel for her and want her to win

Oh yeah...she's very good at timing the tears...but she didn't apologise...notice that

[Angus]

I felt really sorry for Denise yesterday when she was "told" about her actions by big brother. The poor woman just crumbled in her chair. Maybe she realised that it was pretty serious and people would have seen it I don't k ow but I just reall feel for her and want her to win


Oh dear lord:rolleyes: God help Denise, because no-one else is.

[chuff me dizzy]

I felt really sorry for Denise yesterday when she was "told" about her actions by big brother. The poor woman just crumbled in her chair. Maybe she realised that it was pretty serious and people would have seen it I don't k ow but I just reall feel for her and want her to win

Her chin will lift when she hears the enormous cheers she is going to get tonight

[InOne]

Her chin will lift when she hears the enormous cheers she is going to get tonight

Can the BB budget afford rent-a-crowd this year?

[Petershaw1984]

The cheers she wil get tonight will be amazing just as long as the 3 stooges get booed .

[Petershaw1984]

What would be interesting is if Nicola stays tonight and is booed badly and Denise is cheered massively whether or not Nicola would ass lick Denise like she did the twins

[MrWong]

Denise wiped the floor with all 3 of them ,then along came 19 yr old Frankie and mopped up the dregs

:joker:

Everything in chuffland is back to front. Weird.

[chuff me dizzy]

The cheers she wil get tonight will be amazing just as long as the 3 stooges get booed .

And they will,just been on official page its a whitewash

[MrWong]

Her chin will lift when she hears the enormous cheers she is going to get tonight

It'll lift more when she hears BB filling the store room with alcohol.

Clink, clink.

[Cherie]

Her chin will lift when she hears the enormous cheers she is going to get tonight

yep the same way Natalie and Kirks chins lifted....:joker:

[Petershaw1984]

It'll lift more when she hears BB filling the store room with alcohol.

Clink, clink.

Ha ha ha to true to not laugh at. But I still love you Denise.:hugesmile:

[chuff me dizzy]

Ha ha ha to true to not laugh at. But I still love you Denise.:hugesmile:

So do the voting public

[Angus]

So do the voting public


IYO:idc:

[Petershaw1984]

So when will Nicola and the twins tell their horrifying story of their fears for their implants?

And I bet nicola will be inches from death when she is checked out

[Beso]

Exactly she went on the attack when she felt attacked...

The argument started because of Denise.

Nicola tried to get twin #2 out into the garden, but Denise and Frankie kept the fighting up.

Denise then said that she didn't see what the big deal was, because twin #1 "takes her tits out for a living". Which showed her true feelings on the matter and her very unapologetic stance. However that statement enraged ex-glamour model, Nicola. Who quite rightly started to argue that past actions do not make it ok to pull someone's clothes off.

To which Denise started whining and whaling about Nicola pushing the button and been called a liar. This had nothing to do with the original argument, she just used it as ammo to divert the conversation. And it allowed Denise to play the victim, rather than the aggressor.

The woman attempted to shame another woman into silence, rather than deal with her own actions.

Amazing how Denise seems to be clearly able to remember every slight against her. But seems completely unable to understand why her own actions might have been inappropriate. The woman uses the "victim" role so effectively that she uses it to attack.

When Nicola tried to get one of the twins out into the garden she stopped at the door and said to denise, "if you want to keep on arguing I'll just let her back in" Denise said nothing but frankie did, Nicola then walked away letting the twin back in the house.

Denise only mentioned the buzzer thing when prompted to by Nicola..don't forget Nicola called Denise a liar no less than seven times in the bedroom, mocking her infront of everyone!

[Patricia4]

Denise and her bloody buzzer its a bore.

[Petershaw1984]

So happy that Denise is still there

[tonyface]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

Alcoholics are brilliant at manipulation, and switching the focus of their misdimenours onto others....(Denise is so like my own mum was).

Watch the tape again......and dont be so hard on yourself...


1. "Well you do get em out for a living".....sit back enter Nicola no second invitation required....:conf:
2. I've been keeping quiet about a few things on here....:conf:
3. And another thing....just as things simmer down......:conf:
4. Did you not say that about them..........:conf:
5. I've had your back all this time.........few crocadile tears should do it..

Great performance Denise.....they all nearly forgot what you did..:xyxwave: