So no apology from alcoholic Denise

[InOne]

:bored:

Although it's to be expect, she was still trying to deflect blame even when she was sober. :idc:

[Incensed]

She did apologise :conf:

[Bojangles]

How many times does she have to apologise.She's apologised twice on the night.
She's not going to keep grovelling to them.

[chuff me dizzy]

She apologised to the ONE Twin she upset last night several times If you or them are waiting for her to grovel and kiss ass you will have a damn long wait

[smudgie]

She has apologised more than enough already.

[InOne]

If you call lastnights an apology I pity you

[tomflint]

Who cares? The twins are pricks.

[Jake.]

She did apologise, enough times if you ask me. Has Nicola apologised to Denise yet? Probably not.

[Incensed]

If you call lastnights an apology I pity you

:idc:

[Bojangles]

Yes Nicola has apologised to Denise.

[Josy]

I only saw her apologise once when it happened then she pretended to pull them down again.

She also told Nicola in the garden during tonights highlights that she would apologise to the twins.

[Josy]

She did apologise, enough times if you ask me. Has Nicola apologised to Denise yet? Probably not.

Yes

[Saph]

Why should she? She said sorry once, and that was one time to many.

[Josy]

Why should she? She said sorry once, and that was one time to many.

Really? The big brother producers obviously disagree since they shouted Denise to the diary room to tell her it was unacceptable behaviour.

[chuff me dizzy]

Who cares? The twins are pricks.

:worship: They could put me on the rack and stick burning matches down my finger nails and I still wouldnt apologise to the pair of jumped up *****s

[InOne]

:idc:

So you call drunkenly slobbering all over her and telling her she will forgive her an apology? :conf:

[Jake.]

Yes

Ah, I have yet to watch tonights show so I take that one back.

[Bojangles]

For crying out loud the one twin is still harping on about it.GET OVER IT.

[Incensed]

So you call drunkenly slobbering all over her and telling her she will forgive her an apology? :conf:

Yes!

[InOne]

Yes!

:idc:

[InOne]

For crying out loud the one twin is still harping on about it.GET OVER IT.

Not until the evil witch Denise is out.

[hijaxers]

:bored:

Although it's to be expect, she was still trying to deflect blame even when she was sober. :idc:

Good ! no need to apologise, let em wallow in self pity and the delusion they might win, they never stop kidding themselves do they - selfish pair of bread heads !!!

[Incensed]

Yes!

There is not one person on this thread so far who agree with you. Denise apologised, get over it.

[InOne]

Yes!

There is not one person on this thread so far who agree with you. Denise apologised, get over it.

Josy agrees with me. And the rest of team America will be here in due course.

[Saph]

Really? The big brother producers obviously disagree since they shouted Denise to the diary room to tell her it was unacceptable behaviour.

Of course the producers will disagree, they don't want to risk being sued. I dont think people should feel pressured into apologising for something they don't want to (unless its an 'ism' or something).

[InOne]

Good ! no need to apologise, let em wallow in self pity and the delusion they might win, they never stop kidding themselves do they - selfish pair of bread heads !!!

So why did she say she was going to and no do?

[chuff me dizzy]

Josy agrees with me. And the rest of team America will be here in due course.

WOWOW thats me with a brown mess in my jama bottoms :o" :crazy:Team America" get over yourself

[Incensed]

Josy agrees with me. And the rest of team America will be here in due course.

Really?

I only saw her apologise once when it happened then she pretended to pull them down again.

She also told Nicola in the garden during tonights highlights that she would apologise to the twins.

[InOne]

WOWOW thats me with a brown mess in my jama bottoms :o" :crazy:Team America" get over yourself

Be quiet Chuff. If you spent more time complimenting HM's rather than insulting them you might actually be able to form a reasoned opinion :idc:

[iRyan]

She did NOT formally apologize like she did with Nicola.

She only said sorry one time, when Karissa told her to! Then Denise just responded with "you'll forgive me".

[Daviemacscot]

I have never seen such a self righteous pair of bitches in my life. Beauty comes from within and those two bimbos are deluded to think everyone "has a crush" on them or finds them attractive. They are ugly, ugly people. Go Denise and Frankie for demonstrating UK realism. BB needs to stop letting the Americans in the house, they have a totally warped sense of reality!!

[InOne]

Really?

She said she would, and did, are two different things...

We can add liar to Denise's list of crimes now.

[Bojangles]

Not until the evil witch Denise is out.


The horrible twosome need to be got out. The sooner the better like tomorrow night.

[hijaxers]

So why did she say she was going to and no do?

Don't know , don't care < how utterly childish they were saying in tonights show that Frankie was only on Denise's side because she got her tits out in the jacuzzi. Well they certainly showed their intelligence there eh !

[Incensed]

She said she would, and did, are two different things...

We can add liar to Denise's list of crimes now.

What? She DID apologise.

[InOne]

I have never seen such a self righteous pair of bitches in my life. Beauty comes from within and those two bimbos are deluded to think everyone "has a crush" on them or finds them attractive. They are ugly, ugly people. Go Denise and Frankie for demonstrating UK realism. BB needs to stop letting the Americans in the house, they have a totally warped sense of reality!!

If Frankie and Denise demonstrate "UK realism" then I'm quite worried for Britain indeed.

[Bojangles]

I saw Denise apologise twice,on the sofa and again in the kitchen.

[Josy]

Really?

I was actually in agreement with Inone, Denise said she would apologise the next day and never.

[Mac1978]

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

[InOne]

What? She DID apologise.

As I said before, that drunken nonsense on the night doesn't count as an apology.

[Incensed]

I saw Denise apologise twice,on the sofa and again in the kitchen.


We all did, apart from InOne.

[Incensed]

As I said before, that drunken nonsense on the night doesn't count as an apology.


Ok! :joker::joker:

[InOne]

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

Great first post! Welcome to the forum.

[Glenn.]

I can't see why she should have to apologize again, she immediately apologized after she did it.

Have the twins apologized to Frankie after they both insulted him? Of course they haven't. They are the pits of pathetic IMO.

I hope they go tomorrow and realize that no one actually likes them.

[InOne]

We all did, apart from InOne.

She clearly didn't mean it on the night, and showed no remorse the next day after. She is a horrible woman :idc:

[MTVN]

Denise's apology wasn't really a proper one, she just did it as a formality and then told Karissa "you'll forgive me in the morning". I think she'll decide that thanks Denise :idc:

[Incensed]

I was actually in agreement with Inone, Denise said she would apologise the next day and never.


She apologised straight away. As for the apology the next day, how do we know she didn't?

[Josy]

She apologised straight away. As for the apology the next day, how do we know she didn't?

A half hearted "sorry" then pretending to do it again is not an apology imo, and we saw the twins say at the end of the highlights that she hadnt yet apologised.

[Kazanne]

Actually someone made a very good point did they apologise to Frankie for their nasty remarks about him,No and not even a mention of one.Soon as they whizz off back to the good old US of A the better

[InOne]

Actually someone made a very good point did they apologise to Frankie for their nasty remarks about him,No and not even a mention of one.Soon as they whizz off back to the good old US of A the better

What nasty remarks?

[cell]

The purpose of an apology is to acknowledge yourself in the wrong and learning from your behaviour. An apology can seem insincere but be true, or can seem sincere and be a lie. The point is to learn from your actions and admit you were wrong, the amount of dramatics and grovelling you put into it won't change if you truly mean what your saying or not. I know I am not a mind reader so whether Denise meant her apologies or not rests with her, not in my opinion.

[Incensed]

A half hearted "sorry" then pretending to do it again is not an apology imo, and we saw the twins say at the end of the highlights that she hadnt yet apologised.


Oh Puhleeze! She apologised, if she didn't get down on her knees and beg forgiveness, I guess it doesn't count though :joker:

[hijaxers]

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

Well lets hope that BB remember that when the next load of housemates go in and the girls think its good fun to rip towels away from the boys - team handed - two sets of rules going on again !!

[Glenn.]

They were right on Bit On The Side last night, the idiot twin saw an opportunity of business and thought,"I'm gonna try and get something out if this", hence the threats of suing.

I don't care what anyone says, she was worried that she wasn't going to get paid for her arse being shown. Has no one seen the pictures of the pair of them online?

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

[InOne]

The purpose of an apology is to acknowledge yourself in the wrong and learning from your behaviour. An apology can seem insincere but be true, or can seem sincere and be a lie. The point is to learn from your actions and admit you were wrong, the amount of dramatics and grovelling you put into it won't change if you truly mean what your saying or not. I know I am not a mind reader so whether Denise meant her apologies or not rests with her, not in my opinion.

Telling her "you'll forgive me in the morning" doesn't seem too sincere to more, me like covering her back.

[InOne]

They were right on Bit On The Side last night, the idiot twin saw an opportunity of business and thought,"I'm gonna try and get something out if this", hence the threats of suing.

I don't care what anyone says, she was worried that she wasn't going to get paid for her arse being shown. Has no one seen the pictures of the pair of them online?

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

Same old argument to justify what Denise did :sleep:

[Glenn.]

But its a true justification.

They are only in the house for that reason and for no other reason apart from that.

[Jake.]

Did the twins apologize to Gareth? (If yes, ignore this post).

[Sophiee]

I wasn't surprised by this at all. she just saw it as a joke although it wasn't to karissa!

[InOne]

But its a true justification.

They are only in the house for that reason and for no other reason apart from that.

Your logic is odd :conf:

So Denise has a right or more right to do it because of what they do for a living?

[Jake.]

If the twins had not have 100% blown it out of proportion and made her feel weak and reduce her to tears (along with Nicola), I could understand her apologising once more. But now? No.

[Marsh.]

Using "alcoholic" as an insult is pathetic.

[MrWong]

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

This is a great post.

Agree with it all.

[Jake.]

Using "alcoholic" as an insult is pathetic.

100% agree. People forget it is a serious condition.

[InOne]

If the twins had not have 100% blown it out of proportion and made her feel weak and reduce her to tears (along with Nicola), I could understand her apologising once more. But now? No.

Frankie blew it out of proportion, actually...

[Daviemacscot]

Heff has probably employed a team of telephonists to continuously phone in for "team America" and boost their careers. Plain and simple the ONLY way they could win this after the way they have made it clear this is a business venture and nothing more. They have made great viewing, no doubt. But they surely can't be allowed to win by the British public?!

[Glenn.]

Your logic is odd :conf:

So Denise has a right or more right to do it because of what they do for a living?

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

[Jake.]

Frankie blew it out of proportion, actually...

No, Frankie was calmly trying to get his point across. But with one of the twins (can't remember which) in the room undermiming him, ge couldn't whisper, let alone shout. One of the twins told Frankie it was none of his business, yet didn't complain when nosey Nicola jumped to their defences.

[iRyan]

I saw Denise apologise twice,on the sofa and again in the kitchen.

WRONG.

On the sofa, Karissa said "APOLOGIZE!" and Denise THEN said "sorry"

In the kitchen, Denise didn't apologize, she just said "you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Next. :xyxwave:

[InOne]

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

As I've said before, her saying sorry then just looked like she was covering her back.

[iRyan]

As I've said before, her saying sorry then just looked like she was covering her back.

This. She never gave a sincere apology even know she knew Karissa didn't like it. Karissa had to ASK Denise to apologize, and that was it.

[InOne]

No, Frankie was calmly trying to get his point across. But with one of the twins (can't remember which) in the room undermiming him, ge couldn't whisper, let alone shout. One of the twins told Frankie it was none of his business, yet didn't complain when nosey Nicola jumped to their defences.

Calmly stirring the pot you mean. Nicola was just telling him it was none of his business and by that time her and Denise had kicked off anyway.

[Jake.]

WRONG.

On the sofa, Karissa said "APOLOGIZE!" and Denise THEN said "sorry"

In the kitchen, Denise didn't apologize, she just said "you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Next. :xyxwave:

Wrong... she apologised once and then said 'do you forgive me' to which the twin replied 'I will forgive you tommorow' so Denise said 'Ok, you will forgive me tommorow'. Denise didn't say 'you will forgive me tomorrow' randomly, did she?

[Bojangles]

WRONG.

On the sofa, Karissa said "APOLOGIZE!" and Denise THEN said "sorry"

In the kitchen, Denise didn't apologize, she just said "you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Next. :xyxwave:

Well if Denise said "Sorry." What is that then nothing more or less but an apology.

[Jake.]

Calmly stirring the pot you mean. Nicola was just telling him it was none of his business and by that time her and Denise had kicked off anyway.

But it was none of Nicola's business either, she can't help but stick her beak in and somehow get involved.

[Marsh.]

She clearly didn't mean it on the night, and showed no remorse the next day after. She is a horrible woman :idc:

Yes, she did. During her convo with Nicola she admitted being in the wrong with what she did with Karissa. There could be any number of reasons she didn't go to Karissa, maybe missed out of the edit or simply trying to start a convo but K&K being very dismissive and not wanting to know. As evidenced in the episode.

But, IMO, if Karissa still wants to sit stewing over it all instead of discussing it in the open and getting it out the way like Nicola did then that's her own problem. Approaching Denise and letting her know (whilst sober) how much it upset her would have steered things.

Not to mention, IMO, Denise's crime isn't big enough to warrant a grovelling, begging apology. But an apology none the less, which she got.

Denise's apology wasn't really a proper one, she just did it as a formality and then told Karissa "you'll forgive me in the morning". I think she'll decide that thanks Denise :idc:

But, that's what Karissa said. She said "I'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now I'm mad" or something so when Denise said she was sorry she left her be whilst reassuring herself "You'll forgive me tomorrow, it's fine" because she knew she'd wrecked the mood again.

[Glenn.]

But she see it had upset her and apologized and meant it.

Ive been drunk before and upset someone and apologized and meant it, so using alcohol as a reason not to 'mean' it is ridiculus.

[MrWong]

Josy agrees with me. And the rest of team America will be here in due course.

:joker:


Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

The fact that you don't think Karissa can be reserved in her private life contrary to who she is in her public life is rather rather worrying. :shocked:

[Josy]

But she see it had upset her and apologized and meant it.

Ive been drunk before and upset someone and apologized and meant it, so using alcohol as a reason not to 'mean' it is ridiculus.

This is going round in circles :laugh:

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

[InOne]

But it was none of Nicola's business either, she can't help but stick her beak in and somehow get involved.

She got Kasrissa outside to calm it, and that's where Frankie stepped in.

[Bojangles]

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

Yes and she's still doing it.48 hours further on.
If we don't get rid of them tonight,we'll have to eat sleep and drink this episode until Friday night.

[Jake.]

Yes, she did. During her convo with Nicola she admitted being in the wrong with what she did with Karissa. There could be any number of reasons she didn't go to Karissa, maybe missed out of the edit or simply trying to start a convo but K&K being very dismissive and not wanting to know. As evidenced in the episode.

But, IMO, if Karissa still wants to sit stewing over it all instead of discussing it in the open and getting it out the way like Nicola did then that's her own problem. Approaching Denise and letting her know (whilst sober) how much it upset her would have steered things.

Not to mention, IMO, Denise's crime isn't big enough to warrant a grovelling, begging apology. But an apology none the less, which she got.



But, that's what Karissa said. She said "I'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now I'm mad" or something so when Denise said she was sorry she left her be whilst reassuring herself "You'll forgive me tomorrow, it's fine" because she knew she'd wrecked the mood again.

100% agree. Denise didn't say 'you will forgive me tomorrow' out of no where, so god knows where people are getting that idea...

[Marsh.]

This. She never gave a sincere apology even know she knew Karissa didn't like it. Karissa had to ASK Denise to apologize, and that was it.

Because it was Karissa asking for an apology which made Denise suddenly realise she'd upset or offended her or whatever so she apologised.

[InOne]

Yes, she did. During her convo with Nicola she admitted being in the wrong with what she did with Karissa. There could be any number of reasons she didn't go to Karissa, maybe missed out of the edit or simply trying to start a convo but K&K being very dismissive and not wanting to know. As evidenced in the episode.

But, IMO, if Karissa still wants to sit stewing over it all instead of discussing it in the open and getting it out the way like Nicola did then that's her own problem. Approaching Denise and letting her know (whilst sober) how much it upset her would have steered things.

Not to mention, IMO, Denise's crime isn't big enough to warrant a grovelling, begging apology. But an apology none the less, which she got.



But, that's what Karissa said. She said "I'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now I'm mad" or something so when Denise said she was sorry she left her be whilst reassuring herself "You'll forgive me tomorrow, it's fine" because she knew she'd wrecked the mood again.

Yeah but like the twins said, Denise was starting to talk to them as if nothing had happened. Surely she could've slipped it in then if she was talking to them anyway? I think Denise has deduced in her mind that she didn't do anything wrong and has probably already come up with excuses, which she was kind of doing with Nicola anyway bordering on the "they don't get me" theme. And Denise had a sly dig at the end of the ep also, when the twins seemed ok with her.

[Marsh.]

This is going round in circles :laugh:

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

I saw that as Denise trying to lighten the mood by making a joke out of it.
An ill judged move, but trying to get her to laugh about it.

Denise seems a lot of things with a lot of problems but she's not malicious. People make it sound like she purposely upset her, and then tried to do it again. It's a clash of boundaries and senses of humour.

[Marsh.]

Yeah but like the twins said, Denise was starting to talk to them as if nothing had happened. Surely she could've slipped it in then if she was talking to them anyway? I think Denise has deduced in her mind that she didn't do anything wrong and has probably already come up with excuses, which she was kind of doing with Nicola anyway bordering on the "they don't get me" theme. And Denise had a sly dig at the end of the ep also, when the twins seemed ok with her.

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

[iRyan]

100% agree. Denise didn't say 'you will forgive me tomorrow' out of no where, so god knows where people are getting that idea...

Er, no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMYyOnfsf8&feature=channel_video_title

Denise said "you'll forgive me"
Karissa said "i'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now im pissed"

[iRyan]

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

They shouldn't have to ask her to apologize for the 2nd time. Denise should be mature enough to do it on her own.

[Marsh.]

Er, no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMYyOnfsf8&feature=channel_video_title

Denise said "you'll forgive me"
Karissa said "i'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now im pissed"

She said "sorry" and followed it up with "You forgive me?". That's asking her does she have her forgiveness. Karissa then says she'll forgive her tomorrow, Denise then walks away reassuring herself with the "You'll forgive me tomorrow".

[InOne]

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

The twins bitch all the time anyway, it's what girls do. At least they were civil and didn't make a sarky comment like Denise.

And she was defending what she said about Nicola, but was still using the different words argument from the twins. And then tried to justify by saying how she does it with her friends and she assumed they were all friends so it was ok. She was just deflecting the blame as she normally does.

[Marsh.]

They shouldn't have to ask her to apologize for the 2nd time. Denise should be mature enough to do it on her own.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying they should tell Denise how they feel. They don't like how Nicola and Denise have moved on and are still sat stewing about it. So, they should approach her about it.

[Glenn.]

This is going round in circles :laugh:

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

First and foremost the whole pulling down the pants was a joke. The pants didn't even go below the morons arse cheeks.

The Americans have zero sense of humor or at least no concept of the British sense of humor. But you have to admit or you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that it was blown way out of proportion.

Just imagine one of the twins had done this to Denise and Denise acted like Karissa? Denise would be called an idiot and you know it.

Denise is a wild one and obviously thought it would be funny.

Ok it wasn't the reaction she thought she was going to get but she apologized and she jokingly went to do it again. It was a joke. Simple as.

There was no malicious intent towards it, regardless of what 'Team America' would say.

Seems to me the twins would have the sun shining out of their arses if the tables were turned and you know that's true.

[Marsh.]

The twins bitch all the time anyway, it's what girls do. At least they were civil and didn't make a sarky comment like Denise.

And she was defending what she said about Nicola, but was still using the different words argument from the twins. And then tried to justify by saying how she does it with her friends and she assumed they were all friends so it was ok. She was just deflecting the blame as she normally does.

That's a good point though, the twins are a million miles from the people Denise is used to so she made an ill judged joke which she admitted to.

But, I have to lol at your seemingly blase comment on the twins bitching in private yet because Denise makes a sarky comment to their face she's in the wrong again.

[iRyan]

She said "sorry" and followed it up with "You forgive me?". That's asking her does she have her forgiveness. Karissa then says she'll forgive her tomorrow, Denise then walks away reassuring herself with the "You'll forgive me tomorrow".

.....No.

Exact transcript:

Denise: "Your not crossed with me are you?"
Karissa: "I'm a little pissed off"
Denise: "Yeah, but just, you'll forgive me won't you?"
Karissa: "I'll forgive you tomorrow but now i'm very ****in pissed"
Denise: "Alright, but you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Basically - there is no sincere, real apology.

[Marsh.]

Good post Glenn, the Americans (not all of them but in general) take themselves much too seriously and don't have the laugh-at-yourself sense of humour. That's why the "I'll sue your ass" is such a generic American response because they can't deal with embarrassment or taking the mick out of themselves.

[InOne]

That's a good point though, the twins are a million miles from the people Denise is used to so she made an ill judged joke which she admitted to.

But, I have to lol at your seemingly blase comment on the twins bitching in private yet because Denise makes a sarky comment to their face she's in the wrong again.

Denise bitches too, so what? If you put bitching aside the twins were civil but Denise made the sarky comment. Seems she'd rather find reasons to be angry at them to own up to what she did.

[Marsh.]

.....No.

Exact transcript:

Denise: "Your not crossed with me are you?"
Karissa: "I'm a little pissed off"
Denise: "Yeah, but just, you'll forgive me won't you?"
Karissa: "I'll forgive you tomorrow but now i'm very ****in pissed"
Denise: "Alright, but you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Basically - there is no sincere, real apology.

Basically, what I said. She ASKED a question and repeated Karissa's response. She said sorry on the sofa more than once and then asked if she had her forgiveness.

[Marsh.]

Denise bitches too, so what? If you put bitching aside the twins were civil but Denise made the sarky comment. Seems she'd rather find reasons to be angry at them to own up to what she did.

I agree with "so what?"
It was your that's what girls do comment that made me lol.

And they're all finding reasons to be angry at each other, that's the problem. A little misunderstanding has been blown out of proportion.

[InOne]

I agree with "so what?"
It was your that's what girls do comment that made me lol.

And they're all finding reasons to be angry at each other, that's the problem. A little misunderstanding has been blown out of proportion.

Yeah but not by the twins though, they were in the DR when a lot of it happened. It's silly of Denise to say she'd say sorry and not to do it, it might be only "having a laugh" to her, but it's not how most people have a laugh. Shows she doesn't have much self control, I thought she'd be clever enough to realise that wouldn't go down well with the enviroment she is in.

[MrWong]

Has anyone here seen adults pulling each others trousers down 'as a joke'... in any situation, ever? Or had it done to them?

It's just that people are talking as if it's normal but personally, i've never seen it happen or had it done to me.

[Josy]

First and foremost the whole pulling down the pants was a joke. The pants didn't even go below the morons arse cheeks.

The Americans have zero sense of humor or at least no concept of the British sense of humor. But you have to admit or you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that it was blown way out of proportion.

Just imagine one of the twins had done this to Denise and Denise acted like Karissa? Denise would be called an idiot and you know it.

Denise is a wild one and obviously thought it would be funny.

Ok it wasn't the reaction she thought she was going to get but she apologized and she jokingly went to do it again. It was a joke. Simple as.

There was no malicious intent towards it, regardless of what 'Team America' would say.

Seems to me the twins would have the sun shining out of their arses if the tables were turned and you know that's true.

The pulling down the pants thing might have been a joke in Denise's eyes but the twin clearly never took it that way nor did the BB producers who told her in the diary room they deemed it as unacceptable behaviour and I can honestly say right now whether Denise and her friends do that kind of thing regularly or not, if I was at a party and another woman done that to me I would not see the funny side either.

Saying Americans have zero sense of humour is just ridiculous that's all I have to say about that.

I do agree though that it was all blown out of proportion and I think if Frankie hadn't stepped in at the point he did and they had allowed Nicola to take the other twin outside then it would have calmed down a lot sooner and the Nicola/Denise argument wouldn't have happened.

I still stand by my opinion that if Denise was truly sorry and understood she was in the wrong she would have apologised to the twins the following day, she apologised to Nicola and told her she was going to say sorry to the twins but never done it.

[InOne]

Has anyone here seen adults pulling each others trousers down 'as a joke'... in any situation, ever? Or had it done to them?

It's just that people are talking as if it's normal and personally i've never seen it happen or had it done to me.

Nope, I know 14 year olds probably do it at school, but everyone I know grew up! But I've never seen women or girls pulls eachothers pants down on any occasion. Maybe I'm going to the wrong clubs :conf: lol

[Josy]

Has anyone here seen adults pulling each others trousers down 'as a joke'... in any situation, ever? Or had it done to them?

It's just that people are talking as if it's normal but personally, i've never seen it happen or had it done to me.

No I have never seen adults acting like that, all of the people I keep company with have respect for each other.

[MTVN]

Yeah I wonder what these parties of Denise's are like where it's the norm for women in their 50's to go around pulling each others trousers down :conf2:

[tweetypiebabe1]

My problem with the twins is that they act so high and mighty when they're really not. Yes I understand that just because you pose for playboy or page three doesn't mean you'll sleep with ever guy in town BUT I find it very hypocritical the way they spin instances around to suit their needs.

Denise said last night, your sister makes a living taking her clothes off for playboy/magazines and Kristina completely blew up at her and said that's a lie. But it's not really is it. I guarantee you the majority of their fortune came from living at the mansion and being Heff's girlfriends and appearing more than one tv show because of that.

I rate them for their business smarts. They are incredibly focused on the prize at hand and are very versed in the politics of entertainment BUT they cannot dispute that the majority of their fortune has come from them sexually exploiting themselves.

Honestly, I see Denise's point. Being a young adult female I've done that to my friends as they have to me. Was it acceptable for the cbb house which is broadcasted on tv? Maybe not but Denise clearly felt comfortable enough for her to let her guard down like that.

And to Josy, it's not about respect. Some people are more comfortable with others and some have different humor than others. There's nothing wrong with getting a little raunchy with your girlfriends in the privacy of your own quarters. The problem here was, they were on tv because I guarantee you, the twins have done a lot worse with their girlfriends when the cameras aren't around.

Denise still has a lot of emotional issues though and I really hope this experience helps her grow.

[Niamh.]

Nope, I know 14 year olds probably do it at school, but everyone I know grew up! But I've never seen women or girls pulls eachothers pants down on any occasion. Maybe I'm going to the wrong clubs :conf: lol

Exactly. I don't know what she gets up to with her friends but I'd slap her if she did that to me, especially on national TV

[Josy]

My problem with the twins is that they act so high and mighty when they're really not. Yes I understand that just because you pose for playboy or page three doesn't mean you'll sleep with ever guy in town BUT I find it very hypocritical the way they spin instances around to suit their needs.

Denise said last night, your sister makes a living taking her clothes off for playboy/magazines and Kristina completely blew up at her and said that's a lie. But it's not really is it. I guarantee you the majority of their fortune came from living at the mansion and being Heff's girlfriends and appearing more than one tv show because of that.

I rate them for their business smarts. They are incredibly focused on the prize at hand and are very versed in the politics of entertainment BUT they cannot dispute that the majority of their fortune has come from them sexually exploiting themselves.

Honestly, I see Denise's point. Being a young adult female I've done that to my friends as they have to me. Was it acceptable for the cbb house which is broadcasted on tv? Maybe not but Denise clearly felt comfortable enough for her to let her guard down like that.

And to Josy, it's not about respect. Some people are more comfortable with others and some have different humor than others. There's nothing wrong with getting a little raunchy with your girlfriends in the privacy of your own quarters. The problem here was, they were on tv because I guarantee you, the twins have done a lot worse with their girlfriends when the cameras aren't around.

Denise still has a lot of emotional issues though and I really hope this experience helps her grow.

Actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

[DigitalSid]

She did apologise

This.

[Niamh.]

actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

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[tweetypiebabe1]

Actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

[Niamh.]

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

True, but, imo, you would have to know a person pretty well to know that they wouldn't mind having their pants pulled down. Denise barely knows the Twins.

[Monkey Slut]

No apology but to be honest, I don't want to see one, it would just be half-assed like the one that Nicola got from Denise.

[Glenn.]

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

[Marsh.]

Has anyone here seen adults pulling each others trousers down 'as a joke'... in any situation, ever? Or had it done to them?

It's just that people are talking as if it's normal but personally, i've never seen it happen or had it done to me.

It's not a case of people doing it together. It's friends, when you're having a drunken mess about with your mates you do all kinds. And that was Denise's error, having a drunken mess about and felt like she was partying with her mates.

[Josy]

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

I wasnt referring to that incident either, if there are woman out there who dont mind having there trousers pulled down like that or find it funny then fair play to them, but I find it disrespectful.

[Marsh.]

Yeah but not by the twins though, they were in the DR when a lot of it happened. It's silly of Denise to say she'd say sorry and not to do it, it might be only "having a laugh" to her, but it's not how most people have a laugh. Shows she doesn't have much self control, I thought she'd be clever enough to realise that wouldn't go down well with the enviroment she is in.

Well, that's obviously one of Denise's many issues but also shows she didn't mean any malice behind it.

But, I have a very hard time believing Karissa is as offended as she's making out. That's probably the reason I have the opinion I do because the way she acted in the diary room and in tonight's highlights.

[Samuel.]

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

No ****. It's not okay when a 50 something women they barely know tries to do the undressing for them.

[tweetypiebabe1]

True, but, imo, you would have to know a person pretty well to know that they wouldn't mind having their pants pulled down. Denise barely knows the Twins.


This too is true and I think this incident says a lot about Denise's emotional state. She clearly felt comfortable enough with the twins and I believe this she's clearly insecure about her age and wanted to 'fit in' with the 'cool kids', among other things.

Honestly, I wouldn't have pulled their pants down, at least not on telly. I don't think they mind normally when they're in their naturally setting but the fact that it was being broadcasted and they didn't necessarily sign up to show off their body, ie. they weren't making no money from it, really set them off.

[Niamh.]

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

Of course it's ok when it suits them :conf: It's their bodies. I can't see how you think just because they've done glamour modelling that it gives people the right to take off their clothes without their consent

[Mac1978]

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never heard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.

[Marsh.]

No apology but to be honest, I don't want to see one, it would just be half-assed like the one that Nicola got from Denise.

How can you say Denise gave her a half-assed apology? Denise and Nicola had a few convos about it throughout the highlights show where she explained herself and apologised, as did Nicola and then they hugged it out.

[InOne]

Well, that's obviously one of Denise's many issues but also shows she didn't mean any malice behind it.

But, I have a very hard time believing Karissa is as offended as she's making out. That's probably the reason I have the opinion I do because the way she acted in the diary room and in tonight's highlights.

She was obviously in total shock on the night and it was most likely an instant buzzkill for her. All dancing away and Denise sits behind her and does that, and as soon as she gets up she pretends she's going to do it again. I think she was highly annoyed and thinking what brings a person to do that. They were rightly still annoyed in the morning and she deserved an apology or explanation from Denise. To act as if nothing has happened is like a slap in the face.

[MrWong]

It's not a case of people doing it together. It's friends, when you're having a drunken mess about with your mates you do all kinds. And that was Denise's error, having a drunken mess about and felt like she was partying with her mates.

That's why i said 'in any situation'

[Marsh.]

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never heard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.


Of course people aren't going to change their minds, they're entitled to their own opinions. That's what makes forums like this relevant, it gives people a chance to discuss their differing views. Trust me, if we all saw the world in the same light we'd soon run out of things to talk about.

As for them thinking Britain has a strange value system, well I don't really care because I have my opinions about the value system of women who sexually exploit themselves for fame and fortune. But to each their own anyway.

[Marsh.]

That's why i said 'in any situation'

Yes, but there are groups of friends who would find what Denise did disrespectful (as would anyone) BUT everyone has different boundaries of things when you're having a laugh with close friends and getting drunk.

That was Denise's error, that she wasn't in her friend's living room but on national TV.

[Marsh.]

She was obviously in total shock on the night and it was most likely an instant buzzkill for her. All dancing away and Denise sits behind her and does that, and as soon as she gets up she pretends she's going to do it again. I think she was highly annoyed and thinking what brings a person to do that. They were rightly still annoyed in the morning and she deserved an apology or explanation from Denise. To act as if nothing has happened is like a slap in the face.

I understand perfectly where you're coming from but that last sentence is where our opinions divide. I can see we're on the same page with everything until the BIB. lol

IMO they are not as annoyed as they're making out and are knowingly continuing the drama for the sake of drama.

If I believed for a second Karissa was genuine in her upset then I'd completely agree.

[MrWong]

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never Iheard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.

I'd advise you not to watch Bit on the Side tonight.

The views expressed this evening would send you into a deep depression. :(

BB at it's worst.

[InOne]

I understand perfectly where you're coming from but that last sentence is where our opinions divide. I can see we're on the same page with everything until the BIB. lol

IMO they are not as annoyed as they're making out and are knowingly continuing the drama for the sake of drama.

If I believed for a second Karissa was genuine in her upset then I'd completely agree.

Fair enough lol we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then

[Marsh.]

Fair enough lol we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then

Of course. :hugesmile:

[Pyramid*]

:worship: They could put me on the rack and stick burning matches down my finger nails and I still wouldnt apologise to the pair of jumped up *****s

Thank goodness then that not everyone has the same view as you. BB certainly did not feel her behaviour was acceptable - either to the housemate or the viewer. I happen to agree with them on this one.

So you call drunkenly slobbering all over her and telling her she will forgive her an apology? :conf:

That was less to do with a genuine apology at the time and more to do with Denise thinking she could get away with it, with her constant insistence "You'll forgive me in the morning". Really? Denise needs to learn not to assume she knows people in that house well enough to know what they will do or not (as she pointed out her very self to Nicola).

[Pyramid*]

Well, that's obviously one of Denise's many issues but also shows she didn't mean any malice behind it.

But, I have a very hard time believing Karissa is as offended as she's making out. That's probably the reason I have the opinion I do because the way she acted in the diary room and in tonight's highlights.


It matters not if there was no malice behind it. Denise's behaviour was unacceptable. That's the crux of it. It was unacceptable - as it has been throughout the show - and the level of unacceptable behaviour from her is increasing with every passing day.

[Jake.]

Thank goodness then that not everyone has the same view as you. BB certainly did not feel her behaviour was acceptable - either to the housemate or the viewer. I happen to agree with them on this one.



That was less to do with a genuine apology at the time and more to do with Denise thinking she could get away with it, with her constant insistence "You'll forgive me in the morning". Really? Denise needs to learn not to assume she knows people in that house well enough to know what they will do or not (as she pointed out her very self to Nicola).

The first time she said 'You will forgive me tomorrow' was a question. Krisstina (I think) then replied 'Yeah, I will forgive you tomorrow but I'm pissed right now' to which Denise said 'ok, you'll forgive me tomorrow'. She didn't just assume she would be forgiven, she was asking a question.

[Pyramid*]

The first time she said 'You will forgive me tomorrow' was a question. Krisstina (I think) then replied 'Yeah, I will forgive you tomorrow but I'm pissed right now' to which Denise said 'ok, you'll forgive me tomorrow'. She didn't just assume she would be forgiven, she was asking a question.

My point precisely, thank you for reinforcing it.

Denise still wouldn't let it go despite being told by Krisstina that she was pissed off right now.... still Denise didn't have the grace to shut her mouth, preferring instead to insist that she (Denise) would be forgiven in the morning. Well, she was wrong. :D As usual.

[Semtex]

If Denise had done that to me she'd have needed another trip to the dentist.

[Pyramid*]

If Denise had done that to me she'd have needed another trip to the dentist.


I agree. She thinks it's 'all about her'. It's okay for her to think it was just a bit of fun, to hell what anyone else thought.

It's okay for her to bleat on that 'people just don't get me', when the truth is: she doesn't 'get other people'.

It's been going on since week 1 when she said to Michael, "Why don't you ask me about my life, about me".

It's about me, me, me with Denise.

Unfortunately I lived and grew up with someone who was far far worse than Denise - and believe me - alcoholics are the most selfish, self absorbed people in the world who blithely stumble through life not realising the havoc they wreck along the way - and they are experts on deflection and in rounding up pity, all the while focusing on themselves and how they feel only.

[Semtex]

I agree. She thinks it's 'all about her'. It's okay for her to think it was just a bit of fun, to hell what anyone else thought.

It's okay for her to bleat on that 'people just don't get me', when the truth is: she doesn't 'get other people'.

It's been going on since week 1 when she said to Michael, "Why don't you ask me about my life, about me".

It's about me, me, me with Denise.

Unfortunately I lived and grew up with someone who was far far worse than Denise - and believe me - alcoholics are the most selfish, self absorbed people in the world who blithely stumble through life not realising the havoc they wreck along the way - and they are experts on deflection and in rounding up pity, all the while focusing on themselves and how they feel only.

Me too, My stepfather was the worst kind of alcoholic & I can see quite a lot of similarities (not all) in her behaviour, mostly deflection and not acknowledging responsibility.

[Marsh.]

It matters not if there was no malice behind it. Denise's behaviour was unacceptable. That's the crux of it. It was unacceptable - as it has been throughout the show - and the level of unacceptable behaviour from her is increasing with every passing day.

You grab a post from the middle of a conversation I was having with another poster and made a presumption.

I never claimed her behaviour was acceptable. You'd know that, if you read my posts properly. I won't repeat myself because I'm pretty over this topic now, I've exhausted the discussion in numerous threads.

[Razor]

Let's be frank here Denise is not right in the head and doesn't behave like most decent women her age.

[Semtex]

Don't fall out 08 & pyramid, I'm a mostly lurking FM.
Both of you, I can understand the perspective.
Because your both intelligent and passionate, but objective.
Not blindly following a certain HM just because, I hate that.

[chuff me dizzy]

I have never seen such a self righteous pair of bitches in my life. Beauty comes from within and those two bimbos are deluded to think everyone "has a crush" on them or finds them attractive. They are ugly, ugly people. Go Denise and Frankie for demonstrating UK realism. BB needs to stop letting the Americans in the house, they have a totally warped sense of reality!!

:worship:

[lostalex]

Denise as nothing to apologize for, it's all the alcohol's fault, obviously

[Kazelle]

Heff has probably employed a team of telephonists to continuously phone in for "team America" and boost their careers. Plain and simple the ONLY way they could win this after the way they have made it clear this is a business venture and nothing more. They have made great viewing, no doubt. But they surely can't be allowed to win by the British public?!

I'm sure that's the case,

[Ammi]

Denise as nothing to apologize for, it's all the alcohol's fault, obviously

...and she's being forced to drink it

[InOne]

Denise as nothing to apologize for, it's all the alcohol's fault, obviously

Not sure if serious... lol

[Marsh.]

Don't fall out 08 & pyramid, I'm a mostly lurking FM.
Both of you, I can understand the perspective.
Because your both intelligent and passionate, but objective.
Not blindly following a certain HM just because, I hate that.

:thumbs:

[Pyramid*]

Don't fall out 08 & pyramid, I'm a mostly lurking FM.
Both of you, I can understand the perspective.
Because your both intelligent and passionate, but objective.
Not blindly following a certain HM just because, I hate that.

Och no chance, honestly. I may not necessarily agree with Marsh08 on this one, but there's been plenty other topics that I / we have agreed. That's the fun of the forum, sometimes folk agree, sometimes we dont- but no,no,no - no problem with Marsh at all. Cross my heart hope to die.

*grabs heart and keels over* :D

LOL... Seriously, all cool here. :blush:

[tintedshadow]

find it funny tbh a bunch of 20 or possibly younger members on here bashing a 50 something woman who likes a drink,shes far from a alci shes a grown woman she can drink what she wants without kids on here bitching when i garauntee most of you will be out on the lash on the weekend acting alot worst.. find it strange how people turn in to prudes when they watch big brother, suddenly people have to be whiter than white.. some strange judgemental people on this forum

[Kazanne]

find it funny tbh a bunch of 20 or possibly younger members on here bashing a 50 something woman who likes a drink,shes far from a alci shes a grown woman she can drink what she wants without kids on here bitching when i garauntee most of you will be out on the lash on the weekend acting alot worst.. find it strange how people turn in to prudes when they watch big brother, suddenly people have to be whiter than white.. some strange judgemental people on this forum

Well thats a conversation stopper,LOL

[MrWong]

find it funny tbh a bunch of 20 or possibly younger members on here bashing a 50 something woman who likes a drink,shes far from a alci shes a grown woman she can drink what she wants without kids on here bitching when i garauntee most of you will be out on the lash on the weekend acting alot worst.. find it strange how people turn in to prudes when they watch big brother, suddenly people have to be whiter than white.. some strange judgemental people on this forum

Who's saying she can't get sh!tfaced? It's because she turns into a dick when she's had a drink that's the problem. She gets in peoples faces, she makes threats, she exposes people.

The fact that she's the catalyst for most of the rows in the house says it all

For the record, i do get sh!tfaced sometimes but i'm not a 'bad drunk' causing drama, like Denise.

[tintedshadow]

Who's saying she can't get sh!tfaced? It's because she turns into a dick when she's had a drink that's the problem. She gets in peoples faces, she makes threats, she exposes people.

The fact that she's the catalyst for most of the rows in the house says it all

For the record, i do get sh!tfaced sometimes but i'm not a 'bad drunk' causing drama, like Denise.

so she cant handle her drink,once again she isnt the only one did we not see nicola in the jacuzzi with frankie? the reason SOME people have had rows with denise is because she can be annoying,whether shes annoying drunk or not thats her.. but her age has nothing to do with it.. im used to hearing people tell youngers to watch their drink,but a 53 yr old should be able to drink what she wants she made a mistake and also apologised for it.. so really is no reason to judge her so harshly tbh..

[Jords]

There was enough apology on the night, didnt need to be dragged out this long :tongue:

[MrWong]

so she cant handle her drink,once again she isnt the only one did we not see nicola in the jacuzzi with frankie? the reason SOME people have had rows with denise is because she can be annoying,whether shes annoying drunk or not thats her.. but her age has nothing to do with it.. im used to hearing people tell youngers to watch their drink,but a 53 yr old should be able to drink what she wants she made a mistake and also apologised for it.. so really is no reason to judge her so harshly tbh..

:conf: Her age is irrelevant.

She should drink less so she doesn't turn into a pissed up argumentative hag, spoiling peoples time in the house. She should be more self aware and consider how her actions are affecting the other housemates.

She's far too selfish for that though.

[InOne]

There was enough apology on the night, didnt need to be dragged out this long :tongue:

What were you banned for Jords? D:

[Jords]

What were you banned for Jords? D:

I got a 2 point infraction for calling somebody an idiot for saying no nice people should be allowed to enter Big Brother, so I went back in the thread and said mods were idiots too, which got me a 4 point infraction and a ban.

I think it was MTVN :idc:

No regrets, stick by my second comment more so. :hmph:

[MTVN]

I only gave you the first one Jords, the second was given by another Mod, I'd gone to bed by that point

That's a bit harsh as well, I only gave you the infraction because you called someone an idiot twice

[Niamh.]

I got a 2 point infraction for calling somebody an idiot for saying no nice people should be allowed to enter Big Brother, so I went back in the thread and said mods were idiots too, which got me a 4 point infraction and a ban.

I think it was MTVN :idc:

No regrets, stick by my second comment more so. :hmph:

:suspect:

[Glenn.]

Niamh's curser is hovering over the ban button :joker:

[joeysteele]

I think the problem was that Denise said she was going to apologise again.She said that the next day after the event but hasn't,at least not that we've been shown, got round to doing so.

She did apologise at the time but I would have thought the simple statement in the next day or 2 of, I really am sorry for that, would have been appropriate.

[Jords]

I only gave you the first one Jords, the second was given by another Mod, I'd gone to bed by that point

That's a bit harsh as well, I only gave you the infraction because you called someone an idiot twice

He made the stupid comment twice :shrug:

I think I should get a 'Get out of a Ban' free card as repayment for this malarkey :idc:

[Jords]

Niamh's curser is hovering over the ban button :joker:

Niamh is a massive idiot



















































:love: :love:

[MTVN]

He made the stupid comment twice :shrug:

I think I should get a 'Get out of a Ban' free card as repayment for this malarkey :idc:

Well it was still really an insult so I just infracted it, and like I said I wasn't even the one who banned you so I dunno why you're trying to call me out as an "idiot" for it :shrug:

[Jords]

Well it was still really an insult so I just infracted it, and like I said I wasn't even the one who banned you so I dunno why you're trying to call me out as an "idiot" for it

lol Im not trying to do that I just said mods in general but it wasnt ever a serious comment to begin with :laugh:

I think youre pretty cool MTVN.

[MTVN]

lol Im not trying to do that I just said mods in general but it wasnt ever a serious comment to begin with :laugh:

I think youre pretty cool MTVN.

Oh right fair enough, thought you were actually really pissed off about it :laugh:

[Benjamin]

Back on topic please. ;)

[MTVN]

Back on topic please. ;)

Sorry sir :worship: