Is this the first time a bully has won Big Brother?

[Roy Mars III]

The name Nadia comes to mind, she was terrible, but I don't know if I would call her a bully.

Denise on the hand has done nothing but try to bully Michael and the Twins the whole time in there. She tried to do the same thing on BOTS tonight, luckily Michael and the Twins were ready and easily deflected her drunken tomfoolery.

[billy123]

Oh dear.

[Jords]

A bully? I thought you went for the 'ard persona? Thinking Denise is a bully isnt very much that.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I agree. Worst CBB winner ever

[Lostie!]

LMAO!

Have a sleep sweetheart. You might feel better.

:D

[MK3]

She looked like such an ass attacking Michael on BTOS. I was shocked she'd go there AGAIN

[Black Dagger]

Josie and Nadia were far worse when it came to bullying.

I love how she plays the victim though, she was a ****** to Michael and Karissa/Kristina.

[Callum]

I think there a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who will always hate the American housemates. It's sad.

[Jake.]

Oh god. If you think she is a bully, you could try taking a step outside your front door :bored:

[kisywisy]

i wouldn't call her a bully

denise is always 'the victim'. nothing is ever her fault and she cannot take it when she is challenged. she crumbles and cries. quite pathetic

[Jords]

I think there a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who will always hate the American housemates. It's sad.

They made the final and beat 7 UK celebs, silly thing to say.

[bigbros]

Denise ALWAYS played the victim in every single situation she was involved in.

But yes, she was a bully to Michael.

[MTVN]

It was a bit disgusting the way she went and bullied the likes of Michael and the Twins tbh

[kisywisy]

She looked like such an ass attacking Michael on BTOS. I was shocked she'd go there AGAIN

she did it coz she thinks the verbal attacks are obviously what won it for her


:bored:

horrible drunk

[Lostie!]

Oh god. If you think she is a bully, you could try taking a step outside your front door :bored:

Sore losers. End of. :)

The people claiming Denise attacked Michael on BOTS ... did you even watch? He was jeering her during her interview, and then brought up her drink problems. Seriously, do most anti-Denise posters actually have two braincells to rub together?

Thank you SO much GBP! :xyxwave:

[Kazanne]

She looked like such an ass attacking Michael on BTOS. I was shocked she'd go there AGAIN

He and the twins were talking and giggling while Emma was interviewing denise,VERY bad mannered in my book

[MTVN]

Sore losers. End of. :)

The people claiming Denise attacked Michael on BOTS ... did you even watch? He was jeering her during her interview, and then brought up her drink problems. Seriously, do most anti-Denise posters actually have two braincells to rub together?

Thank you SO much GBP! :xyxwave:

Michael was sitting their quietly, minding his own business, then she went and launched a verbal assault, it was shocking to say the least

[kisywisy]

He and the twins were talking and giggling while Emma was interviewing denise,VERY bad mannered in my book

i think you'll find very few of the former hm and audience were paying attention....if you care to watch it back


however michael was singled out AGAIN

[Kazanne]

Sore losers. End of. :)

The people claiming Denise attacked Michael on BOTS ... did you even watch? He was jeering her during her interview, and then brought up her drink problems. Seriously, do most anti-Denise posters actually have two braincells to rub together?

Thank you SO much GBP! :xyxwave:

THIS^:xyxwave:

[MK3]

[QUOTE=kisywisy;4916470]she did it coz she thinks the verbal attacks are obviously what won it for her


I think you're right..it was just disappointing to watch yet again.

[HBB1508]

Somehow I can't see the twins or Michael allowing themselves to be bullied - it's all pantomime folks.

[Lostie!]

Michael was sitting their quietly, minding his own business, then she went and launched a verbal assault, it was shocking to say the least

Wrong. :)

It's getting funny now, do carry on. :)

[Callum]

They made the final and beat 7 UK celebs, silly thing to say.

It's not. I have seen loads of posts both here and on DS saying that they did not want "the yanks" to win because of their nationality. I think a lot of people hold the close minded view that it's a British show and that a British celebrity should only win.

[bigbros]

Sore losers. End of. :)

The people claiming Denise attacked Michael on BOTS ... did you even watch? He was jeering her during her interview, and then brought up her drink problems. Seriously, do most anti-Denise posters actually have two braincells to rub together?

Thank you SO much GBP! :xyxwave:

It's funny how you say sore losers when you come off as sore winners. End of. :) :xyxwave:

[Roy Mars III]

Michael was sitting their quietly, minding his own business, then she went and launched a verbal assault, it was shocking to say the least

Agreed. She couldn't help attacking Michael one more time. Luckily he embarrassed her in front of everyone.

[kisywisy]

It's not. I have seen loads of posts both here and on DS saying that they did not want "the yanks" to win because of their nationality. I think a lot of people hold the close minded view that it's a British show and that a British celebrity should only win.

i have to say, i saw quite a few similar postd on my fb timeline and on twitter. quite sad

[Saph]

Im sure people are starting to imagen things about Denise :s

[Jack_]

Denise is anything but a bully. She wasn't my first choice for winner but this is ****ing laughable.

[Lostie!]

It's funny how you say sore losers when you come off as sore winners. End of. :) :xyxwave:

What the hell is a sore winner? :D

Oh, I'm sorry. We're not allowed to be happy that our favourite won, are we? I apologise from the bottom of my heart.

:sleep:

[MTVN]

Agreed. She couldn't help attacking Michael one more time. Luckily he embarrassed her in front of everyone.

Very true, Michael kept his cool and made her look rather stupid tonight, I think she'll be going home very embarrassed indeed

[cath03]

Im sure people are starting to imagen things about Denise :s

Her own obsession with anything to do with Michael was obvious...right to the end.

She would've been more dignified had she ignored any slights against her..real or imagined.

But the woman can't help herself.

Undignified to the end. That is our winner folks.

[Roy Mars III]

Very true, Michael kept his cool and made her look rather stupid tonight, I think she'll be going home very embarrassed indeed

I sense a public apology by Denise on Loose Women within a week.

[cath03]

Very true, Michael kept his cool and made her look rather stupid tonight, I think she'll be going home very embarrassed indeed

She should be embarrassed from start to end of her whole CBB experience.

[Jake.]

Some need to get a grip. Bully my a*se.

[bigbros]

What the hell is a sore winner? :D

Oh, I'm sorry. We're not allowed to be happy that our favourite won, are we? I apologise from the bottom of my heart.

:sleep:

How come all the Denise fans are attacking forum posters? All the passive aggressive ":)'s" in every post, etc. You pretty much called "anti-Denise" fans stupid in your last post.

[reece(:]

she was worse than ulrika deffo!

[cath03]

Some need to get a grip. Bully my a*se.

She is seriously one of the most manipulative housemates I've witnessed on my TV screen.

Not helped at all by the biasedness from the Ch5 and BBOTS team of course.

[smudgie]

I sense a public apology on Loose Women within a week.

I doubt it as he won't be welcome. He is the one who should apologise. He and the twins were so rude.

[cath03]

I doubt it as he won't be welcome. He is the one who should apologise. He and the twins were so rude.

They are at least upfront with it as opposed to trying to garner a sympathy vote but still hating on your competition. I.e. Natalie and Denise to a tee

[joeysteele]

I couldn't go along with describing Denise as a bully, her main problem is she talks too much,usually always about herself too.

[Visage]

Michael was sitting their quietly, minding his own business, then she went and launched a verbal assault, it was shocking to say the least

Oh..


I thought he was making snoring noises implying she was boring him.

[Patrick]

You don't know if you'd call Nadia a Bully? Come on Dude.

Nadia was a bully, Ulrika was a bully and Josie was a bully.
But mostly Nadia, especially in UBB the vile *****.

Denise is not a bully.

[Roy Mars III]

Nadia was a bully, but the thread title wouldn't work if I said she was.

[Ramsay]

How in the hell were Josie and Ulrika bullies? I hated the two of them but they were in no way bullies:laugh:

[Jords]

It's not. I have seen loads of posts both here and on DS saying that they did not want "the yanks" to win because of their nationality. I think a lot of people hold the close minded view that it's a British show and that a British celebrity should only win.

I think they used 'yanks' in this case because to some the twins and Michael were not likable and so they grouped them both together in the only way they could, their nationality... I do know that it exists, but not so greatly towards BB.

[Lozzibear]

What a joke :rolleyes:

Some people are such sore losers... I don't know how anyone can call Denise a bully... MICHAEL is a bully, THE TWINS are bullies... and well, Nicola is like a kid at school who is a sheep...

[InOne]

Denise is the classic passive agressive bully and fooled you all.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Very true, Michael kept his cool and made her look rather stupid tonight, I think she'll be going home very embarrassed indeed

:D Oh dear.

Michael completely embarrassed himself on national tv. Trying to be rude during her winner's interview and it backfired massively. His face was a picture and filled with boiled up anger. Priceless...

[Marsh.]

I think there a lot of xenophobic people in the UK who will always hate the American housemates. It's sad.

It's not. I have seen loads of posts both here and on DS saying that they did not want "the yanks" to win because of their nationality. I think a lot of people hold the close minded view that it's a British show and that a British celebrity should only win.

The posters on here and DS are in no way an accurate portrayal of the general public. What a silly thing to suggest. The result tonight proved that more than anything.

Yes, there are many xenophobic Britons, just as there are many xenophobic people in all the other countries of the world. But to talk of it as though it's become some epidemic or serious issue is ridiculous.
Not to mention this is a tiny unimportant reality show anyway, who cares who wins. Does it matter? They all get their varied paychecks at the end anyway.

I have nothing against Americans at all, my favourite tv shows are American etc. But, bar Jermaine and Latoya I've not liked a single American BB housemate. So, maybe BB should get some different American people rather than the same playboy bimbos and plastic has-beens.

[Callum]

I think they used 'yanks' in this case because to some the twins and Michael were not likable and so they grouped them both together in the only way they could, their nationality... I do know that it exists, but not so greatly towards BB.

No these comments were there after Day 1 when nobody could have formed an overall opinion on the housemates yet, people automatically hated them because of their nationality. They could have been brilliant housemates but the xenophobes would still hate them because of where they were born. I didn't think it was apparent so much in BB myself until the last couple of days. It's sad.

[Patrick]

How in the hell were Josie and Ulrika bullies? I hated the two of them but they were in no way bullies:laugh:

They aren't really bullies but ****** me neither was Denise.

Josie just picked on people for ****** all, and was an utter vile human to everybody.

Ulrika was the same to the men of the house.

So yeah they aren't bullies, that word is being thrown about loosely in this thread, Nadia is the only Bully.
But I mean Denise is hardly a bully? She's an old lady.

[Marsh.]

Denise is the classic passive agressive bully and fooled you all.

Got to disagree. She's a drunken mess, with severe mental and emotional issues. As she was already known for before BB anyway. But to call her a bully is pathetic.

A bully uses superior strength (either physical or emotional) to intimidate or belittle those weaker than them. I didn't see the twins or Michael affected by her in any serious way at all. They held their own extremely well and showed how strong they are.

That's not to say her behaviour was acceptable, it wasn't. But a bully? No.
She's a mess.

[Callum]

The posters on here and DS are in no way an accurate portrayal of the general public. What a silly thing to suggest. The result tonight proved that more than anything.

Yes, there are many xenophobic Britons, just as there are many xenophobic people in all the other countries of the world. But to talk of it as though it's become some epidemic or serious issue is ridiculous.
Not to mention this is a tiny unimportant reality show anyway, who cares who wins. Does it matter? They all get their varied paychecks at the end anyway.

I have nothing against Americans at all, my favourite tv shows are American etc. But, bar Jermaine and Latoya I've not liked a single American BB housemate. So, maybe BB should get some different American people rather than the same playboy bimbos and plastic has-beens.

I wasn't saying they were but there are a lot of xenophobes on both forums. You just have to look at Facebook and there you'll find at least a dozen or so more xenophobes in the comment boxes, calling the Americans "yanks" at every opportunity. I saw loads of accusations that American viewers were cheating the system last night, using fake IP addresses to vote etc. on a few of the videos because the xenophobes couldn't accept that British people might like the American housemates and want them to win.

Lots of people in the UK hold the closed minded view that it's a British show, only a British housemate should win. More of the general public hold this view than I suspected which is a real shame. We will never see an American housemate win a show like this.

[Marsh.]

I wasn't saying they were but there are a lot of xenophobes on both forums. You just have to look at Facebook and there you'll find at least a dozen or so more xenophobes in the comment boxes, calling the Americans "yanks" at every opportunity. I saw loads of accusations that American viewers were cheating the system last night, using fake IP addresses to vote etc. on a few of the videos because the xenophobes couldn't accept that British people might like the American housemates and want them to win.

Lots of people in the UK hold the closed minded view that it's a British show, only a British housemate should win. More of the general public hold this view than I suspected which is a real shame. We will never see an American housemate win a show like this.

As I was saying though, these facebook, DS, forumers are a small number of people in actuality. If you look at the discussion for any tv show, celebrity, actor etc you'll find a lot of venom and unnecessary hate. That is the internet.

To suggest it represents the viewing public I find ridiculous.
Just because Denise won, doesn't mean the voting public agree. There is more of a chance of a British celeb winning because the majority of them are British. That's a fact.

Plus, if the general consensus of a forum represented the voters then Denise would definitely have been the first to leave tonight. She's been nothing but slated on DS.

I can kind of see your point but there is a lot of unnecessary, nasty and completely pathetic hatred thrown towards ALL the housemates if you have a good look around. To cut out a portion of them that are anti-American and suggest it represents a larger portion of our country is just silly.

The twins and Michael would never have made it to the final if that were the case.

As for the conspiracies on certain people hacking the voting system and using fake IPs etc, well that's the nature of the sore losers on the internet. If they don't like a result it's automatically a fix. lol

[Roy Mars III]

They aren't really bullies but ****** me neither was Denise.

Josie just picked on people for ****** all, and was an utter vile human to everybody.

Ulrika was the same to the men of the house.

So yeah they aren't bullies, that word is being thrown about loosely in this thread, Nadia is the only Bully.
But I mean Denise is hardly a bully? She's an old lady.

It was mostly a joke, but I do think that InOne has a point with the passive aggressive stuff.

[MTVN]

Let's not forget Denise punching Michael in the face, a classic sign of a bully right there

[Callum]

As I was saying though, these facebook, DS, forumers are a small number of people in actuality. If you look at the discussion for any tv show, celebrity, actor etc you'll find a lot of venom and unnecessary hate. That is the internet.

To suggest it represents the viewing public I find ridiculous.
Just because Denise won, doesn't mean the voting public agree. There is more of a chance of a British celeb winning because the majority of them are British. That's a fact.

Plus, if the general consensus of a forum represented the voters then Denise would definitely have been the first to leave tonight. She's been nothing but slated on DS.

I can kind of see your point but there is a lot of unnecessary, nasty and completely pathetic hatred thrown towards ALL the housemates if you have a good look around. To cut out a portion of them that are anti-American and suggest it represents a larger portion of our country is just silly.

The twins and Michael would never have made it to the final if that were the case.

There are hundreds of thousands of BB fans on Facebook writing xenophobic stuff on Facebook and these comments are getting loads of likes. I find that disturbing.

I wasn't suggesting it represents the whole viewing public, but there are a small alebit loud minority of people who will hate the Americans regardless of their character traits.

Maybe there is but the hate that is most prominent on the web is the hate towards the Americans. It was a big shock to me that both made the final but I knew none would ever win as much as I'd like them too. Never will an American win. So many people hold the view like I previously mentioned that a British housemate should win because it's a British show and only a person of British nationality deserves to win. Such a ridiculous view to hold but more people do than I first suspected.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Let's not forget Denise punching Michael in the face, a classic sign of a bully right there

It was actually his hand. But who likes sticking to facts when hyperbole is so much more enjoyable!

But anyone who thinks Denise has bullied anyone this series, needs to re-watch. Funny stuff this thread.

[MTVN]

I'm surprised people have taken this thread so seriously :laugh:

[Marsh.]

There are hundreds of thousands of BB fans on Facebook writing xenophobic stuff on Facebook and these comments are getting loads of likes. I find that disturbing.

I wasn't suggesting it represents the whole viewing public, but there are a small alebit loud minority of people who will hate the Americans regardless of their character traits.

Maybe there is but the hate that is most prominent on the web is the hate towards the Americans. It was a big shock to me that both made the final but I knew none would ever win as much as I'd like them too. Never will an American win. So many people hold the view like I previously mentioned that a British housemate should win because it's a British show and only a person of British nationality deserves to win. Such a ridiculous view to hold but more people do than I first suspected.

Hundreds of thousands? Doubt it.

Whilst I see where you're coming from I don't think these kinds of "haters" have any bearing on the show in any major degree. Like I said before you get these kinds of loud mouthed keyboard spewers everywhere for every show and celeb you could search on the web.

[InOne]

Got to disagree. She's a drunken mess, with severe mental and emotional issues. As she was already known for before BB anyway. But to call her a bully is pathetic.

A bully uses superior strength (either physical or emotional) to intimidate or belittle those weaker than them. I didn't see the twins or Michael affected by her in any serious way at all. They held their own extremely well and showed how strong they are.

That's not to say her behaviour was acceptable, it wasn't. But a bully? No.
She's a mess.

She totally had control of that house. I'm pretty sure most people went with her because they were worried of her wrath, which was shown on this years "fight night" she held nothing back.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Georgia was the real bully. I'm suprised no one's picked up on it.

[Jack_]

There are hundreds of thousands of BB fans on Facebook writing xenophobic stuff on Facebook and these comments are getting loads of likes. I find that disturbing.

When I think about it, last night a comment of mine was removed after I told them all how ****ing idiotic and delusional they all were for supporting such crap housemates and spouting their ill-informed bile, and yet hundreds and hundreds of these blatantly xenophobic comments have been left up for all to see. Speaks volumes really. I find that even more disturbing. And laughable.

[Callum]

When I think about it, last night a comment of mine was removed after I told them all how ****ing idiotic and delusional they all were for supporting such crap housemates and spouting their ill-informed bile, and yet hundreds and hundreds of these blatantly xenophobic comments have been left up for all to see. Speaks volumes really. I find that even more disturbing. And laughable.

Yeah I've seen people posting comments in favour of the twins and Michael on there before only to come back later and find them all gone. It's just sickening but I can only see this situation getting worse. People are becoming more ignorant and I don't think the whole "only British housemates should win, we live in Britain, we need a British winner for a British TV show" attitude will be going anywhere aanytime soon.

[Marsh.]

She totally had control of that house. I'm pretty sure most people went with her because they were worried of her wrath, which was shown on this years "fight night" she held nothing back.

Did you not see the twins wrath? In no way were they afraid to kick off when they wanted. Nicola? When she disagreed with Denise, she opened her mouth and joined in and stood her ground in the argument. To suggest they were all cowering with fear to open their mouths to her is pure exaggeration and ignorance of all the facts.
Even Michael, he told her where to go when she annoyed him, he took none of her crap.

So, how exactly did she have control? To go as far as "bully" is a stretch.

[Jack_]

Yeah I've seen people posting comments in favour of the twins and Michael on there before only to come back later and find them all gone. It's just sickening but I can only see this situation getting worse. People are becoming more ignorant and I don't think the whole "only British housemates should win, we live in Britain, we need a British winner for a British TV show" attitude will be going anywhere aanytime soon.

Scary really. It's not a form of discrimination that I feel has been dealt with properly yet. Racism, well...not too much of that anymore, if if there is people are severely looked down upon for it. The tide is turning with regards to homophobia as well, it's going the same way as racism thankfully. But it doesn't seem like anyone cares about xenophobia yet...people are just allowed to make whatever discriminatory, offensive comments about other nations they like without any repercussions. It's not good at all.

[rk3388]

Josie and Nadia were far worse when it came to bullying.

I love how she plays the victim though, she was a ****** to Michael and Karissa/Kristina.

Josie ? O_O

[Black Dagger]

Josie ? O_O

Yes Josie, she treated Ben, Sunshine, Keeva and Shabby like ****e and effectively drove Keeva out of the house and was a smug bitch when she did so.

[InOne]

Did you not see the twins wrath? In no way were they afraid to kick off when they wanted. Nicola? When she disagreed with Denise, she opened her mouth and joined in and stood her ground in the argument. To suggest they were all cowering with fear to open their mouths to her is pure exaggeration and ignorance of all the facts.
Even Michael, he told her where to go when she annoyed him, he took none of her crap.

So, how exactly did she have control?

Denise started it with the sympathy thing against Michael. That's when she got most onside. She didn't count Nat going, and when Nicola went to the twins it proved an even bigger problem. She used a combination of manipulation and pure spite for the twins to get Nicola back onside, even if it meant destroying her on TV. Nicola still went back to her after the realisation that Denise didn't hold anything back. She still had the guys though as well, who had now seen her wrath and her "vunerable" side, so they will've been confused. Rather than stick up for the alien American's they thought to go with the motherly "one of us" Denise type, who could clearly never be wrong because she was "only having a laugh". Michael was the only man in that house, the rest were little boys. They were all basically sticking to the one who'd make them look best on the outside.

[Callum]

Scary really. It's not a form of discrimination that I feel has been dealt with properly yet. Racism, well...not too much of that anymore, if if there is people are severely looked down upon for it. The tide is turning with regards to homophobia as well, it's going the same way as racism thankfully. But it doesn't seem like anyone cares about xenophobia yet...people are just allowed to make whatever discriminatory, offensive comments about other nations they like without any repercussions. It's not good at all.

Yeah it's a growing problem in the UK which I don't feel is taken serious enough. The way that people are allowed to get away with xenophobic comments on the official Big Brother Facebook page is disgusting and extremely worrying for the future of our country.

[Tourmaline]

Very true, Michael kept his cool and made her look rather stupid tonight, I think she'll be going home very embarrassed indeed

Did you watch the show? Gareth had to sit on him to get him to stop his bitching while she was being interviewed by Emma. He showed himself up tonight with his rudeness and furthermore I think he has been doing that to her the whole time she has been in the house

[Mac1978]

I wouldn't call Denise a bully. Far from it. She seems quite nice in her own way. Overall, I think she's not a bad person at all.

But what I'm slightly dissapointed at, is that many of the public obviously see her behaviour as laudible. For many years us Irish have had the 'drunken' stereotype hanging over our heads. In recent years you Brits have joined us. And if modern TV is anything to go by, it seems niether nation is any closer to growing the f34k up.

In this series you had Brits who misbehaved whilst under the influence. Americans who streneously objected to that behaviour. And it seems that the majority of the British and Irish public thought the American's over-reacted and were consequently less likelable than the boozed up 'jokers.'

Denise is a nice woman. In many ways she is a far more caring and vulnerable person than the twins or Michael. I'm not surprised that people like her. But it saddens me that so many will re-enforce her thinking that the coolest way to get down with the kids and enjoy oneself, is to drink excessively, undress yourself and others, and condone sexual harrassment as something which is funny.

Just be yourself Denise. There's no need to get down with the kids. You're 53 - there's nothing wrong with being 53.

[Jack_]

Yeah it's a growing problem in the UK which I don't feel is taken serious enough. The way that people are allowed to get away with xenophobic comments on the official Big Brother Facebook page is disgusting and extremely worrying for the future of our country.

I agree. I cannot comprehend the overwhelming levels of ignorance and sheer stupidity displayed by the large majority of the people on that Facebook page and some of the members of this forum.

[LessThanMe]

An emotional bully... yes.

[RodHull]

She looked like such an ass

She has looked like an Ass since day 1 in the house, but apparently that passes for winner material nowadays.

[Marsh.]

Denise started it with the sympathy thing against Michael. That's when she got most onside. She didn't count Nat going, and when Nicola went to the twins it proved an even bigger problem. She used a combination of manipulation and pure spite for the twins to get Nicola back onside, even if it meant destroying her on TV. Nicola still went back to her after the realisation that Denise didn't hold anything back. She still had the guys though as well, who had now seen her wrath and her "vunerable" side, so they will've been confused. Rather than stick up for the alien American's they thought to go with the motherly "one of us" Denise type, who could clearly never be wrong because she was "only having a laugh". Michael was the only man in that house, the rest were little boys. They were all basically sticking to the one who'd make them look best on the outside.

I understand now what you meant. But, I still wouldn't use the word "bully". A bully for me is a different kettle of fish altogether.

But the boys never took anyone's side so I fail to see your reasoning about them "sticking up" for any of them. We're a long way off even touching on bullying.

[RodHull]

Not a bully, just a mess... My only solace tonight was the knowledge that despite winning she will still be a sad depressed mess of a human being devoid of any joy and paralysed by her own insatiable need to be loved.

Cruel maybe, but it made me smile :)

[Jords]

No these comments were there after Day 1 when nobody could have formed an overall opinion on the housemates yet, people automatically hated them because of their nationality. They could have been brilliant housemates but the xenophobes would still hate them because of where they were born. I didn't think it was apparent so much in BB myself until the last couple of days. It's sad.

Maybe so but theyre completely in the minority, no way would they have any impact on the outcomes. Infact they are so uneducated they probably dont have a job that pays them enough to waste money on votes anyway.

I really dont buy it, imo its being used as a bitter excuse to why their favourite (either twins or Michael) didnt win.

[vortex]

I wanted the twins to win it but I dont think Denise was a bully, it's just personalities that crash in a closed enviroment like the BB House.

[InOne]

I understand now what you meant. But, I still wouldn't use the word "bully". A bully for me is a different kettle of fish altogether.

But the boys never took anyone's side so I fail to see your reasoning about them "sticking up" for any of them. We're a long way off even touching on bullying.

Maybe emotional manipulation would be the right term?

[RodHull]

Maybe so but theyre completely in the minority, no way would they have any impact on the outcomes. Infact they are so uneducated they probably dont have a job that pays them enough to waste money on votes anyway.

I really dont buy it, imo its being used as a bitter excuse to why their favourite (either twins or Michael) didnt win.

It wasnt the only reason for sure, but I do think its alot easier for UK public to hate US celebs. It takes very little wrong for people to turn on them and when they turn its usually pretty brutal.

UK celebs are treated with a more even hand and opinions fluctuate more readily. Once a US celeb puts a foot wrong, they could invent a cure for aids and people would still boo them.

[Marsh.]

I would say don't rely too much on the official facebook page, as these are mostly 13 yo only just discovering BB in recent years and spewing venom that they don't even understand. This makes up about 80% of the online world, throwing insults that they don't even know they're talking about.

It's like racists in general, if they feel the need to use nationality or skin colour as a means of ridiculing you then you can feel solace in the fact that they couldn't actually find anything about you as a person to actually comment negatively on within any reason.

It's like when you get musicians getting abuse purely because they are "rivals" to their favourite musician (Gaga fans jump into my head instantly, not all of them). But, again, this makes up a very small but vocal minority.

[Marsh.]

Maybe emotional manipulation would be the right term?

On some level that is correct. Denise's huge problem which obviously stems from her depression and alcoholism is the need for attention and love (maybe that's why she's an actress). She's 53 and struggled with all sorts. At the beginning her main problem with Michael was that he showed no interest in getting to know about her career or family or anything so she took offence and badgered him for attention.

So, a little like Nicola, her major insecurities play a huge part in all these encounters. Doesn't make her a bad person (or a bully) but it shows that the people closest to her aren't doing her any favours by not addressing the situation with her and getting her proper professional help.

I find it a major concern that since she's confessed to being an alcoholic and yet she still drinks. In my view if you're an alcoholic you can't just have 1 or 2 you must abstain completely otherwise you're buggered again, you're back to the denial stage. So, that actually goes back to an earlier thread about are her family ashamed of her? I think the more appropriate comment is are her family ashamed of themselves? Maybe this gets them to see the light.

[RodHull]

On a serious note this is a woman who has attempted suicide as a result of alcoholism and yet she is now voted as winner by the public for behaving like a sad drunk.

[Marsh.]

It wasnt the only reason for sure, but I do think its alot easier for UK public to hate US celebs. It takes very little wrong for people to turn on them and when they turn its usually pretty brutal.

UK celebs are treated with a more even hand and opinions fluctuate more readily. Once a US celeb puts a foot wrong, they could invent a cure for aids and people would still boo them.

BB in general is panto. So, it's not to be taken seriously when it comes to public opinion. It changes with the wind. And maybe it's easier to "get to know" or forgive celebs you are already familiar with in some way yet not so much some random actor from a million years ago they've never heard of who feels like a complete stranger to them.

For example, I think everyone felt they already knew Katona when she entered last year but someone like Michael Madsen is a blank canvass so people take things at face value with him and judge. Whereas they'll use past experience of Katona as well as what she does in the house to judge her more "fairly".

But, I think the main reason is that Americans do play the game completely differently. The twins and Tara came in brilliantly with their "game heads" ready to fight dirty to win. Which is really the point of Big Brother USA but ours is more a popularity contest than a game so that's where the lines blur and they'll never win because they don't remember they've also got to win favour with the viewing public who holds the final decision.

[InOne]

On some level that is correct. Denise's huge problem which obviously stems from her depression and alcoholism is the need for attention and love (maybe that's why she's an actress). She's 53 and struggled with all sorts. At the beginning her main problem with Michael was that he showed no interest in getting to know about her career or family or anything so she took offence and badgered him for attention.

So, a little like Nicola, her major insecurities play a huge part in all these encounters. Doesn't make her a bad person (or a bully) but it shows that the people closest to her aren't doing her any favours by not addressing the situation with her and getting her proper professional help.

I find it a major concern that since she's confessed to being an alcoholic and yet she still drinks. In my view if you're an alcoholic you can't just have 1 or 2 you must abstain completely otherwise you're buggered again, you're back to the denial stage. So, that actually goes back to an earlier thread about are her family ashamed of her? I think the more appropriate comment is are her family ashamed of themselves? Maybe this gets them to see the light.

I doubt her family or anyone else will see anything wrong now she has won BB. It's almost like just not letting her take any resposibility for anything she's done. If the public can justify and rationalize everything she's done, then she herself will never admit a problem. But what can you do eh, no doubt we'll see her self destruction in the papers and be made to feel sorry for her all over again.

[Marsh.]

I doubt her family or anyone else will see anything wrong now she has won BB. It's almost like just not letting her take any resposibility for anything she's done. If the public can justify and rationalize everything she's done, then she herself will never admit a problem. But what can you do eh, no doubt we'll see her self destruction in the papers and be made to feel sorry for her all over again.

Well, personally, I justified her "pants pull" incident because I felt the backlash she got for it was unnecessary but that's a whole other discussion.

She does need to learn about forgetting about other people's thoughts and wanting everyone to love her, something she's admitted she needs to work on but, yeah, her winning probably won't help that and probably feed her insatiable hunger for attention and adoration. Vicious circle and all that.

[Jake.]

On some level that is correct. Denise's huge problem which obviously stems from her depression and alcoholism is the need for attention and love (maybe that's why she's an actress). She's 53 and struggled with all sorts. At the beginning her main problem with Michael was that he showed no interest in getting to know about her career or family or anything so she took offence and badgered him for attention.

So, a little like Nicola, her major insecurities play a huge part in all these encounters. Doesn't make her a bad person (or a bully) but it shows that the people closest to her aren't doing her any favours by not addressing the situation with her and getting her proper professional help.

I find it a major concern that since she's confessed to being an alcoholic and yet she still drinks. In my view if you're an alcoholic you can't just have 1 or 2 you must abstain completely otherwise you're buggered again, you're back to the denial stage. So, that actually goes back to an earlier thread about are her family ashamed of her? I think the more appropriate comment is are her family ashamed of themselves? Maybe this gets them to see the light.

I actually agree with alot of what you have posted here! However, most easily forget what you have pointed out... she suffers from depression and alcoholism. Surely, most should recognise that these are REAL issues which affect many, and doesnt make her a nasty
person or a bully.

[Ammi]

Well, personally, I justified her "pants pull" incident because I felt the backlash she got for it was unnecessary but that's a whole other discussion.

She does need to learn about forgetting about other people's thoughts and wanting everyone to love her, something she's admitted she needs to work on but, yeah, her winning probably won't help that and probably feed her insatiable hunger for attention and adoration. Vicious circle and all that.

I totally agree..the pants pull was inappropriate in the first place but the reaction by all far superseded that...and I do think Denise should have certain harsh realities pointed out to her, for her own good...she's far too 'mature' not to realise that she needs to take others into consideration more...if she thinks it's funny..that's all that matters to her...however, I could use many words to describe Denise, none of them complimentary, but bully is not one of them and using the term so inappropriately only undermines it

[Locke.]

The bullying and intimidation that this woman oosed was disgusting. Seriously. Anyone that wanted her to win need a nice visit to the mental institution.

[Tregard]

Don't forget Josie!