Should our governments continue giving foreign aid to other countries?

[Liberty4eva]

Should our governments continue giving foreign aid to other countries?

[arista]

No.


Its has to Stop.

Times are to Hard

[lostalex]

hmm, well let's see, stopping foreign AID would cause millions of people to die of starvation and disease, so um, obviously YES, giving foreign AID IS necessary.

or am i missing something?

[arista]

"or am i missing something? "


Yes it is Stolen then Sold.
To much Corruption stops Aid getting through,


India - Stop all Aid for Them
as their Rich can sought out there Extreme Poorr Mess

[Benjamin]

Oh, I thought it said should we stop giving foreign aid to other countries so I hit 'No'. I believe our priority should be our own country, but we should also strive to help other nations, we may need their help in return one day.

[joeysteele]

I voted no but wish to qualify that view, I cannot see in these times where this Govt is cutting the livelihoods of the citizens of the UK how it can promise and give as much aid as it is continuing to do so elsewhere in the World.

I think there needs to be an overhaul of how aid is given, if the aid for say,starving children can get directly to them then yes, of course give that aid, other aid also needs to be targeted and ensured that it gets to the people who need it and moreso only to the people who will ensure that aid is given and can prove it is given to the real needy.
No child should be born to die as infants of starvation anywhere in the World in this present age, so more needs to be done to get as far as eradicating that problem as possible with the support of all the stronger Nations of the World,not just the UK.

No more handing funds over to Govts who do 'not' use the funds fully for aid at all.It would be wrong to stand back and allow children to die of starvation but much of the aid currently given to relieve that, likely never gets to the people who need it.

AS for bail outs, well I doubt if other Nations will rush to bail out the UK and so we need to put a stop to that too, according to this Govt, things are now far worse for the UK economically than when this coalition took over,so the aid programme needs to be strongly reduced and also more strongly regulated.
Just as it is being done via the benefits and taxes structure to all the citizens of the UK.

[Tom4784]

It's a responsibility of the leading countries to give aid to the countries that need it. If we were to suddenly stop all aid to the countries in need, it would lead to a catastrophy. If a government can afford to help a struggling country then they should do all they can to do so.

If the well off countries don't give aid then who will?

[Niall]

Even though our economic situation isn't the best at the moment and all that, I don't think it's any reason to just cut off aid supply to other nations that need it.

We have plenty tbh and there are countries out there that can barely cater for its people. To just sit here with piles of food whilst thousands starve is just morally wrong.

[lostalex]

Withholding foreign AID would literally be DEVASTATING for many communities all over the developing world.

I don't think you understand how much they depend on our generosity, and i don't think you understand how much farther a dollar goes in africa.

In America you can't even buy a diet coke with a dollar, in Africa a woman can feed her family with a dollar.

[lostalex]

It's a responsibility of the leading countries to give aid to the countries that need it. If we were to suddenly stop all aid to the countries in need, it would lead to a catastrophy. If a government can afford to help a struggling country then they should do all they can to do so.

If the well off countries don't give aid then who will?

I agree.

[arista]

Even though our economic situation isn't the best at the moment and all that, I don't think it's any reason to just cut off aid supply to other nations that need it.

We have plenty tbh and there are countries out there that can barely cater for its people. To just sit here with piles of food whilst thousands starve is just morally wrong.


They may need it but much of the UK supply funded aid
is stolen then sold.


The Corruptions stops it getting through.


Leave it all to Bill Gates and the USA
to deal with it.

[Benjamin]

They may need it but much of the UK supply funded aid
is stolen then sold.


The Corruptions stops it getting through.


Leave it all to Bill Gates and the USA
to deal with it.

Ah, the solution of many man. Leave it to someone else to deal with.

[lostalex]

They may need it but much of the UK supply funded aid
is stolen then sold.


The Corruptions stops it getting through.


Leave it all to Bill Gates and the USA
to deal with it.

WTF?????

what does bill gates or the USA have to do with it?

and by that logic, maybe Bill Gates the the USA should just leave it to CHINA then.

what stupid logic.


We're talking about actual people that have absolutely nothing to do with politics, these are people that are just trying to survive through the day. i understand that yu can't fathom that kind of existence, and Gawd-willing you never will, but stop trying to justify punishing REAL PEOPLE just because of yur politics plz.

You have no concept of how important our AID money is to these people.

[Chuck]

I think the government of 1st world countries should continue to give foreign aids to really poor countries, not to India, Russia, Brazil etc.

[arista]

Ah, the solution of many man. Leave it to someone else to deal with.



No as USA can use there Army Seal attacks
to sort out pirates - They killed them all



So can Deal will it All.

[lostalex]

It's actually making me emotional now thinking about the idea that we would let people die just to cut our own budgets. We do not have the RIGHT to cut foreign AID imo.

It's not an option. there are literally people living and dying based on that AID. Reducing AID is not an option to me.

[Niall]

They may need it but much of the UK supply funded aid
is stolen then sold.


The Corruptions stops it getting through.


Leave it all to Bill Gates and the USA
to deal with it.

Go grow a brain then give me a decent reply, ok?

[arista]

It's actually making me emotional now thinking about the idea that we would let people die just to cut our own budgets. We do not have the RIGHT to cut foreign AID imo.

It's not an option.



Yes America can Now take All of it Over
and use there Special Army to Sort out Pirates in the Way.

[lostalex]

Yes America can Now take All of it Over
and use there Special Army to Sort out Pirates in the Way.

America contributes more to foreign AID than any other country, and i'm PROUD to say that. Both by FEDErAL foreign AID, and by PRIVATE Organizations.

[arista]

America contributes more to foreign AID than any other country, and i'm proud to say that.



Yes Keep At It - Alone

[lostalex]

Yes Keep At It - Alone

we will then, even if yur country decides to stop foreign AID, we WILL make up the difference, because it IS important.

[arista]

we will then, even if yur country decides to stop foreign AID, we WILL make up the difference, because it IS important.


Of course
And your massive Army/Navy that killed
all those Pirates - the other day.

[Benjamin]

I love how people seem to think the UK is struggling. Yes, we have been hit by a financial crisis and have suffered a little, but yet the majority of people still seem to be pissing their money up the wall on crap they do not need (e.g HD TV's, iPhones, voting in BB) so times cannot be that hard! Yet people in third world countries do not have any of the luxuries we have, not even food, so yes, I do believe we should still be giving foreign aid.

[Jack_]

Of course we should, this isn't even debatable. Protecting and improving the lives of other human beings is important, we are all one species and we should all look out for each other. It's disgusting to think otherwise.

[arista]

Of course we should, this isn't even debatable. Protecting and improving the lives of other human beings is important, we are all one species and we should all look out for each other. It's disgusting to think otherwise.


India is a Rich Nation.
It has also Extreme Poor - Let them Deal with that.


Not Us

[Liberty4eva]

I love Ron Paul's explanation of foreign aid: it's taking the money from poor people in a rich country and giving it to rich people in a poor country. Makes sense to me the more I think about it. The only argument those who advocate foreign aid seem to have is that the intention is good and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. But does it really do anything to help poor people in the long-run?

Here's what I think we should do: Stop all government foreign aid but let private citizens donate aid if they wish. Second, stop all farm subsidies which America and especially Europe practice and lower and eliminate the trade barriers so the agricultural countries can export their cheaper food and make some money. This would help both people in both countries because as everyone who has taken an economic class knows: in free trade the gains to the winners exceed the losses to the losers.

[lostalex]

I love Ron Paul's explanation of foreign aid: it's taking the money from poor people in a rich country and giving it to rich people in a poor country. Makes sense to me the more I think about it. The only argument those who advocate foreign aid seem to have is that the intention is good and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. But does it really do anything to help poor people in the long-run?

Here's what I think we should do: Stop all government foreign aid but let private citizens donate aid if they wish. Second, stop all farm subsidies which America and especially Europe practice and lower and eliminate the trade barriers so the agricultural countries can export their cheaper food and make some money. This would help both people in both countries because as everyone who has taken an economic class knows: in free trade the gains to the winners exceed the losses to the losers.


ok, well instead of just cutting off money, how bout you come up with a better way to get it to the people that need it then? Did that never cross your mind?
How about you go to those places in Africa, and South America, and Asia, and a find a better way to get them what they need, instead of yur solution of just "cut off the money". That doesn't make sense to you?

so what is yur solution then? I'm all ears.

[Liberty4eva]

ok, well instead of just cutting off money, how bout you come up with a better way to get it to the people that need it then? Did that never cross your mind?
How about you go to those places in Africa, and South America, and Asia, and a find a better way to get them what they need, instead of yur solution of just "cut off the money". That doesn't make sense to you?

so what is yur solution then? I'm all ears.

I'm not sure there is a way to get the aid directly to the poor people. There always is gonna be some sort of corrupt bureaucracy that you have to get through. So rather than risk empowering their corrupt governments we ought to help the farmers and the workers on the farms by letting them export their crops to the US and Europe. That would definitely help out the poor whereas foreign aid could even potentially make the situation worse by making corrupt government that much more powerful.

[lostalex]

Well Ron Paul is not gonna be president, thank gawd.

[Liberty4eva]

Well Ron Paul is not gonna be president, thank gawd.

At times like these you realize how deluded the person you're debating is. I must say for someone who was practically having an orgasm on the Fourth of July, you don't seem that eager to support people who support the Constitution which doesn't permit the federal government to give any aid to anyone.

[Marsh.]

I've got to say arista, for someone who seems to strive to sound intelligent in your replies you are very simplistic in your views.

[lostalex]

At times like these you realize how deluded the person you're debating is. I must say for someone who was practically having an orgasm on the Fourth of July, you don't seem that eager to support people who support the Constitution which doesn't permit the federal government to give any aid to anyone.

You obviously havn't read the Constitution then, cause the ENTIRE POINT of the Constitution is to award DIGNITY to HUMAN BEINGS, that's the whole POINT of it, and the idea that you would put MONEY over PEOPLE is repulsive, and totally AGAINST the ideals of the Constitution.

I'm not DEBATING you, i'm just answering your question.

[arista]

I've got to say arista, for someone who seems to strive to sound intelligent in your replies you are very simplistic in your views.


Times are hard


India can Fund Itself.

[Liberty4eva]

You obviously havn't read the Constitution then, cause the ENTIRE POINT of the Constitution is to award DIGNITY to HUMAN BEINGS, that's the whole POINT of it, and the idea that you would put MONEY over PEOPLE is repulsive, and totally AGAINST the ideals of the Constitution.

I'm not DEBATING you, i'm just answering your question.

You call eating bread crumbs out of Uncle Sam's hands "dignity"? Dignity would be where you allow these poor countries to earn their wealth by trading with them and eliminating the farm subsidies. Living a life of dependency on other people from other countries is the opposite of dignity.

[lostalex]

You call eating bread crumbs out of Uncle Sam's hands "dignity"? Dignity would be where you allow these poor countries to earn their wealth by trading with them and eliminating the farm subsidies. Living a life of dependency on other people from other countries is the opposite of dignity.
umm, if bread crumbs are keeping you alive, then YES, the Constitution does have SOMETHING to say about the RIGHT to LIFE. you obviously havn't read it i guess?? The Bill of Rights, LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, in THAT order.

[Glenn.]

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.

[lostalex]

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.

And those millions of pounds raised does a HUGE amount of good. I don't understand this idea some people seem to have that that money is just flushed down the drain. It DOES do good and every pound given does good.

[Liberty4eva]

umm, if bread crumbs are keeping you alive, then YES, the Constitution does have SOMETHING to say about the RIGHT to LIFE. you obviously havn't read it i guess?? The Bill of Rights, LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, in THAT order.

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.

[lostalex]

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.
The declaration od Independence is in the constitution, thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it,.

[lostalex]

Just so I'm sure you're not confused: The Constitution doesn't mention life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That would be The Declaration of Independence.

Anyways, I don't think you're doing a good job trying to make the point you're trying to make. But hey, I'm sure to you it all makes perfect sense.
The Declaration of Independence is in the Constitution. Thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it.

[Liberty4eva]

The declaration od Independence is in the constitution, thanks for proving me right, you obviously have never read it,.

:joker: Talk about having the audacity to just make stuff up on the spot.

[arista]

Whilst I think cutting aid completely would not be a good idea I find it hard to see why third world countries are still in the state they are in.

Comic Relief for instance, raises millions of pounds every year yet the problems in Africa don't improve.

It's confusing.



There was the pirates the Other day
holding a American and Danish
The USA Navy went in Killing all pirates
and bringing back the 2 people.


Its Not Confusing to America.

[lostalex]

:joker: Talk about having the audacity to just make stuff up on the spot.

The Declaration of Independence is FEDERAL LAW. Do you know what that means? Itr means that the GOVERNMENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has an OBLIGATION to uphold it with any means necessary. That's what a FEDERAL LAW MEANS.

[lostalex]

There was the pirates the Other day
holding a American and Danish
The USA Navy went in Killing all pirates
and bringing back the 2 people.


Its Not Confusing to America.

Killing all pirates? lmao, now ARISTA ohh, look i can use bold too! When are you gonna talk about all the people the US military has SAVED from the Pirates? hmmm? I'm waiting to hear that list form you, since you seem to be such an expert on all thing Pirate, Let's see that list next please ARISTA


yay for bold! lmao.

[arista]

No The Pirates Must all be Killed
Thats the Only way

[lostalex]

No The Pirates Must all be Killed
Thats the Only way

Ic so you are completely unaware of all the people taken hostage by pirates i guess. It's never crossed yur mind to actually investigate that aspect of it?? really? ok.

[arista]

Ic so you are completely unaware of all the people taken hostage by pirates i guess. It's never crossed yur mind to actually investigate that aspect of it?? really? ok.


No really


You talk in mumbles , it appears

[Mystic Mock]

Yes as I believe no country should be suffering like this in modern times,but I just wish that there Governments weren't so currupt and would actually help there own country out when we give the money to them.

[lostalex]

No really


You talk in mumbles , it appears

ok, who brought up Pirates? In bold too! so it must be important! ...but yu don't know anything about it? so why'd yu bring it up then.

[lostalex]

Yes as I believe no country should be suffering like this in modern times,but I just wish that there Governments weren't so currupt and would actually help there own country out when we give the money to them.

eggsactly, and it really makes the prospect of reincarnation very scary.

[arista]

ok, who brought up Pirates? In bold too! so it must be important! ...but yu don't know anything about it? so why'd yu bring it up then.


It was a Reply to Another poster
saying Amnerica takes care of so much.


This is Why America can take over all of it.




You seem to to get the wrong end of the stick.

[lostalex]

It was a Reply to Another poster
saying Amnerica takes care of so much.


This is Why America can take over all of it.




You seem to to get the wrong end of the stick.

i know, story of my life...

...wait was that meant to be a homophobic remark? so clever. hilarious even.

so out of all the posts i've made in this thread, that's what you give me? REALLY?

[arista]

i know, story of my life...

...wait was that meant to be a homophobic remark? so clever. hilarious even.


No Not At All.

[lostalex]

No Not At All.

ok i believe you. i honestly did want to know morw about the pirate situation though arista. i wasn't being an ass, know i was being sarcastic about the bold thing, but i honestly do believe the US military is doing the right thing by rescuing hostages from pirates, and i wanted to know why you think killing pirates to save hostages is a bad thing.

[Glenn.]

I think there needs to be a system put in place to ensure the money is getting to where its needed. The amount of aid sent out doesn't always get there.

[lostalex]

I think there needs to be a system put in place to ensure the money is getting to where its needed. The amount of aid sent out doesn't always get there.


IU'm pretty sure such systems already exist and the people behind them are doing their best. If you can do better, well call yur local senator or minister or whatever is applicable and tell them YUR brilliant idea to make the system better.

Why are you spending yur time on a BB forum if you have this amazing new system to make sure AID money get's spent in a more effective way??

Go for it man!

[Glenn.]

Then the system isn't working very well then :idc:

[Glenn.]

:rolleyes:

[lostalex]

Then the system isn't working very well then :idc:

what system does work perfectly? none. welcome to the PLANET.

[arista]

ok i believe you. i honestly did want to know morw about the pirate situation though arista. i wasn't being an ass, know i was being sarcastic about the bold thing, but i honestly do believe the US military is doing the right thing by rescuing hostages from pirates, and i wanted to know why you think killing pirates to save hostages is a bad thing.


No its Good Every Pirate was Killed
I want all Pirates Killed.

[arista]

I think there needs to be a system put in place to ensure the money is getting to where its needed. The amount of aid sent out doesn't always get there.


Yes thats why it should be Stopped

[Mystic Mock]

No its Good Every Pirate was Killed
I want all Pirates Killed.

Be careful Arista? the next time you go on a Ship they may steal your gold.:joker:

[lostalex]

i'm actualy having a conversation with..
nevermind.. done.

[arista]

Be careful Arista? the next time you go on a Ship they may steal your gold.:joker:

No The ships I will Take
are Fully Armed.


All Pirates will be Killed

[Mystic Mock]

No The ships I will Take
are Fully Armed.


All Pirates will be Killed

Ok i'm scared to ever go on your Ships now.:joker:

[Shaun]

oh, TiBB. you so classy.

[Glenn.]

Yes thats why it should be Stopped

I don't agree it should be stopped. Something just needs to be done to ensure the aid is reaching its destination.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't agree it should be stopped. Something just needs to be done to ensure the aid is reaching its destination.

This.

[Harry!]

I do not think we should stop foregn aid but the way we donate it needs to change.

One of the main conserns to me when I donate money to international charites is where exactly does my my money go to?

I think instead of issuing lump sums of cash to developing countries we should invest in donating resources that can help them (food, tools, clothing etc) instead of pure money. This in turn would be funded and managed by inderpendent charites and not by the goverments.

NO foreign aid should be donated DIRECTLY to foreign govererments. That would ensure trust from the public and make sure their pound is going to good causes. This is a better solution.