For The Attention Of Moderators and Administrators

[CharlieO]

As we know, on this forum occasionally rude unnecessary 'arguments' occur. This is not what I am talking about.

In the past few months I have been involved in civil debates over what another member has possibly said. The replies to these on my part have rarely broken official rules. However they have to be deleted (somewhat understandably) as they can ruin the ambiance of the thread in question. Similar to what just happened in beloved Marc's thread.

What I am requesting is not a thread for arguing. But a thread where posts which may ruin one thread can be moved to, so that when someone wants to get their point across in a civil way to another member, they can. So that neither party; the thread maker, nor so called 'arguer', has to have their part ruined or feel they are being unjustly treated.

Of course the threadm if leaved as an argument thread would just result to petty insults and an animalistic mess. So rules would need to be made clear to begin with that it is about civil debate resolving, not baiting or insults.

This is what I do feel could improve the forum, because it does not unjustly delete people's posts when they have done no wrong but then does also not ruin the thread where a minuscule 'conflict' could arise.

Maybe a possible trial could be put in place or a vote so we could see if it would help keep peace in other threads but let people have their opinions when used in an intelligent calm manor.

Also it could make a good read for some other members on a later date ;)
Please do not just disregard this idea because it is 'CharlieO' suggesting it.

[Locke.]

Bring back The Independents

[Mystic Mock]

I like the sound of your idea CharlieO,but I don't think the Mods or Admins would take the risk due to some members abusing it I think.

[Smithy]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

[Jack_]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

x2

[Ramsay]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

This ^^

[CharlieO]

I like the sound of your idea CharlieO,but I don't think the Mods or Admins would take the risk due to some members abusing it I think.

That's why there would need to be clear well written rules and severe consequences would be taken if people over step the mark.

[Roy Mars III]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

would be great

[InOne]

Seems a bit pointless. There's not even that much arguing anymore.

[CharlieO]

Seems a bit pointless. There's not even that much arguing anymore.

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

[Marc]

Just PM each other instead of spamming threads. :shrug:

[Marc]

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

[Black Dagger]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

Oooh god, I could only imagine how well that'd go down.

[InOne]

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

Yeah that does annoy me a bit really. It used to be able to pan out more. But threads are locked quite quickly these days. (And this probably will too)

[lostalex]

make me a mod, i'll sort it out. :)

[Stu]

I'm all for a total cesspit of a thread or subforum where we can slag each other off for the laugh. Have no rules in it and make the rules for the rest of the place tougher. It would instantly be a million times better than the crap chat threads we have.

I want it for the entertainment value though. Not for the type of wanky, faux moralistic reasons you are trying to peddle. You can always just PM people, you know. Of course nobody would see you then and it wouldn't count, right?

Besides it absoloutely wouldn't stop things from breaking out in other parts of the forum. If anything it would increase it.

[lostalex]

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

yur making me dizzy!

[CharlieO]

Just PM each other instead of spamming threads. :shrug:

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.

[CharlieO]

That's because those posts aren't related to the thread what so ever, even if it is my thread about wet wipes lol

Yes and that is why I am asking for things to be moved into a designated thread rather than deleted all together. So nothing is ruined.

[Stu]

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.
You really don't believe that argument, do you?

People will want to reply to a thread because it's in a public space and they want to be seen getting the better of the situation. PM's are incredibly easy to read, ignore and delete. I've done it countless times in the past with people who were not worth my time.

[lostalex]

... Im just saying, if you guys made me a mod, things would be so much more simple. :)

I'm like universally loved around here, and everyone trusts me to make fair decisions.

[Mystic Mock]

... Im just saying, if you guys made me a mod, things would be so much more simple. :)

Erm I would wait and see.:hugesmile:

[CharlieO]

I'm all for a total cesspit of a thread or subforum where we can slag each other off for the laugh. Have no rules in it and make the rules for the rest of the place tougher. It would instantly be a million times better than the crap chat threads we have.

I want it for the entertainment value though. Not for the type of wanky, faux moralistic reasons you are trying to peddle. You can always just PM people, you know. Of course nobody would see you then and it wouldn't count, right?

Besides it absoloutely wouldn't stop things from breaking out in other parts of the forum. If anything it would increase it.

Please refer to my other post made to Marc as when in a PM you can get infracted for so called 'spamming' of another's inbox.

[Josy]

I'm all for a total cesspit of a thread or subforum where we can slag each other off for the laugh. Have no rules in it and make the rules for the rest of the place tougher. It would instantly be a million times better than the crap chat threads we have.

I want it for the entertainment value though. Not for the type of wanky, faux moralistic reasons you are trying to peddle. You can always just PM people, you know. Of course nobody would see you then and it wouldn't count, right?

Besides it absoloutely wouldn't stop things from breaking out in other parts of the forum. If anything it would increase it.

I think thats one of the reasons admin said no to the no rules sub forum when it was brought up before.

[Stu]

Please refer to my other post made to Marc as when in a PM you can get infracted for so called 'spamming' of another's inbox.
And threads are infraction free wonderlands, right?

Where do you think most infractions occur? PM land or Threadworld?

Let go of the straws, man.

[Marc]

That is a fair point. However I will explain why it does not work.

A thread is far more easily quotable.
Also if you PM someone they just accuse you of 'baiting' and 'stalking' on the basis that they cannot ignore a PM. If someone wishes to leave a thread and not reply they can easily do so. A PM can not be left unopened unless you want an outstanding notification and not readily ignored.
A thread would work better as one can't be accused of spamming an inbox.

To be honest you can ignore a thread or report any nuisances just as much as you can with a thread. And you can delete them if you want to leave the conversation. To be completely honest, as much as your arguments with half the forum would be entertaining for everybody else to read it would only cause arguments and sides being taken and for tensions to build and spill over into other threads by people who aren't even involved in the original argument.

[lostalex]

I think the only way to solve this is to take mod status away from everyone, and give me ultimate admin status.

[tomflint]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhh

[King Gizzard]

It's just like the 'spam forum' for me, I don't know if it would get used because it's not against the rules..

[Josy]

Because the moderators mass delete like crazy as soon as anything close to a debate occurs.

Thats a bit of an exaggeration tbh Charlie, we delete posts when they have been reported and are breaking the rules and when our warnings in the thread are ignored we don't delete them at the first sign of an argument

[CharlieO]

You really don't believe that argument, do you?

People will want to reply to a thread because it's in a public space and they want to be seen getting the better of the situation. PM's are incredibly easy to read, ignore and delete. I've done it countless times in the past with people who were not worth my time.

I do believe it yes. As in the past I have been unfairly infracted because I was PMing someone clam and justified points. But a report was made so an infraction was given for 'spamming'.

[Stu]

My brain is also now saying to me that a 24/7 Fight Club would really take away from the daft dog-in-school excitement of fights breaking out in threads they shouldn't.

It's like giving away crack cocaine for free. So much of the romanticism would be stripped away, dig?

I do believe it yes. As in the past I have been unfairly infracted because I was PMing someone clam and justified points. But a report was made so an infraction was given for 'spamming'.
Yeah that's one of your arguments. I was poking holes in the "people can ignore threads but not PM's" one. I assume it was good hole poking because you've just totally sidestepped it.

[Jack_]

I'm all for no moderators. Imagine that. Who needs authority anyway?

[lostalex]

if yur looking for a 24/7 fight club then I'm definitely yur man :)

[CharlieO]

My brain is also now saying to me that a 24/7 Fight Club would really take away from the daft dog-in-school excitement of fights breaking out in threads they shouldn't.

It's like giving away crack cocaine for free. So much of the romanticism would be stripped away, dig?

Or maybe you can not read. The thread is not asking for a 'Fight Club'.

[Ramsay]

I'd be the laziest mod ever..more lazy than Nathan!:hugesmile:

[Stu]

Or maybe you can not read. The thread is not asking for a 'Fight Club'.
Kid it's not like we are talking about LOST spoilers. If a fight thread exists I'm going to have a read of it. The mere existence of it would take the magic away from spontaneous off topic arguments.

See you're not the only one who can make "I'm suggesting this because I can't control myself ahhhhhhh!" arguments.

[Cherie]

I do believe it yes. As in the past I have been unfairly infracted because I was PMing someone clam and justified points. But a report was made so an infraction was given for 'spamming'.

maybe you should take your own advice and get out more, if the forum is upsetting you that much, maybe a few days helping out in a charity shop or doing something more useful with your time would be just the ticket? otherwise you could just let it all drift over you, and not worry about having the last word!

[InOne]

I made a "get it all out thread" a couple of years ago. It had Jess and Harry arguing for about 3 hours in it. It was quite amusing and worked well. Those kinds of threads just remind you why you dislike some FM's so much.

[lostalex]

wait, i'm confused, is this thread about me getting mod status? or are you just teasing me?

[CharlieO]

maybe you should take your own advice and get out more, if the forum is upsetting you that much, maybe a few days helping out in a charity shop or doing something more useful with your time would be just the ticket? otherwise you could just let it all drift over you, and not worry about having the last word!

I do not see what advice I need to be taken. I am not upset over anything at all. All I am suggesting is a place where posts can be moved to so that an debate can be finished/resolved rather than being deleted half way through.

[CharlieO]

Kid it's not like we are talking about LOST spoilers. If a fight thread exists I'm going to have a read of it. The mere existence of it would take the magic away from spontaneous off topic arguments.

See you're not the only one who can make "I'm suggesting this because I can't control myself ahhhhhhh!" arguments.

I am not suggesting a fight thread. I am suggesting a 'resolve your debate thread rather than it being deleted out of the blue' thread.

[CharlieO]

To be honest you can ignore a thread or report any nuisances just as much as you can with a thread. And you can delete them if you want to leave the conversation. To be completely honest, as much as your arguments with half the forum would be entertaining for everybody else to read it would only cause arguments and sides being taken and for tensions to build and spill over into other threads by people who aren't even involved in the original argument.

I am not suggesting arguments that are so outrageous that they would spill over. I just want a thread where debates with fully justified points can be carried on rather than just to be straight deleted as if we are under such control of you moderators that part of us just can get erased at your choosing.

It could be a rule that others are not to join with out both parties consent.

Please just relate this to my original post and what I proposed not the baboons shouting for a 'Fight Club'.

[Marc]

They would though Charlie. I don't think it's a risk we should take.

Also I don't want newbies coming on to loads of arguments.

[Stu]

So if these debates are so acceptable in a public space - their only crime driving other threads off topic - why does it require a specialist thread? Why not just give the debate it's own thread for it to carry on?

[CharlieO]

You could always trial it for a month in off season. There aren't that many new members so it shouldn't affect it massively. And we could get a finite answer if you trial it.

It isn't like this is the government. There is no harm in trying. You can always revert it with no affect.

[CharlieO]

So if these debates are so acceptable in a public space - their only crime driving other threads off topic - why does it require a specialist thread? Why not just give the debate it's own thread for it to carry on?

Because the moderators would not allow it, as it apparently puts new members off. In affect that is what I am asking for though. One single thread or a thread for each debate I do not mind.

[Niamh.]

Charlie, just take it to PM, if the person doesn't want to reply to you via PM, they probably won't want to reply to you in an argument thread either. Seems to me like you just want an audience to watch you argue with and try to belittle people.

[Stu]

I'm just finding your paper thin logic a bit of a poor mask to be honest. You want a thread for what would otherwise be deleted stuff to be allowed carry on. Oh but there is nothing wrong with this stuff ... it was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? And this absoloutely wouldn't become a slagging thread? If there was nothing wrong with the material in the first place it would be allowed continue ... just in a thread of it's own. In one of the many subforums. It doesn't need a new one.

It just sounds like you want the chastity belt to be taken off so you can get knee deep in the clunge. Now your argument is being watered down to the point of multiple debate threads? We have multiple debate threads. All the time. What is new about what you are suggesting?

G'wan away with your gay debate thread. We want a thread where people can kick each others teeth down their throats.

[Josy]

Charlie, just take it to PM, if the person doesn't want to reply to you via PM, they probably won't want to reply to you in an argument thread either. Seems to me like you just want an audience to watch you argue with and try to belittle people.

I agree with this.

[Marc]

I see this thread being closed soon :joker:

[tomflint]

lmao sh.

[tomflint]

Fight fight fight!!!!

[Kate!]

I like that you have raised this Charlie, for 2 reasons.

1 It's definitely an interesting suggestion, and worth a debate.

2 I know now who slagged me off with a vicious comment in a recent awards thread, by something said in here, choice of words is very revealing. Tsk, am surprised at you. Dont bother with a comeback, cos I dont care anymore. (I dont mean Charlie btw, its not him)

[Stu]

Who is it then? Because I don't see the merit in stirring the pot unless you're willing to list the ingredients. Sorry but it smacks of attention seeking.

[Glenn.]

I think an argument sub forum would do more harm than anything else. As someone else has pointed out, things would spill out into the forum.

I don't think it would work.

[Marc]

Stu/Kate if this is going to become something, take it to PM please

[Stu]

Nah it's not me. At least I don't think so. Her message is a bit cryptic. I read the thread again and I can't see anything to do with her.

[tomflint]

Round 1 ding ding ding

[Mystic Mock]

Round 1 ding ding ding

I'm looking forward to Round 2.:joker:

[Tom4784]

Seems completely pointless and more trouble then it'd be worth.

[Marc]

See this thread itself is turning into what I think would happen.

Snarky little comments and leading to tensions being built. The proper way to ease it all is by PMing each other, away from the eyes of everybody else.

[Kate!]

Stu/Kate if this is going to become something, take it to PM please

Nope, no fight etc, as Stu says this isnt going to become anything.

I just spotted something that was a dead giveaway, there will be no arguing with anyone in here, via pm or anywhere at all. As I said, I dont care. I got tons of support and have plenty of friends on here, not interested in anyone who has to knock me to feel good.
End of.

[tomflint]

woooo Kate calm it down calm it down.

[Kate!]

Sorry to disappoint you Tom, I am calm, its you who seems to want to promote trouble, I suggest you stop and calm down yourself. :hug:

[tomflint]

hahaha

[tomflint]

http://albacontrols.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/round2.png

[Stu]

I'll do an Orwell on it myself. Gentlemanly bastard that I am.

[CharlieO]

Charlie, just take it to PM, if the person doesn't want to reply to you via PM, they probably won't want to reply to you in an argument thread either. Seems to me like you just want an audience to watch you argue with and try to belittle people.

If you actually read my posts you would understand that what you said in this post is not the case.

I have no problem with a person not replying in a PM, that is perfectly fine if they want to no longer continue on with a debate. It is when you get accused of spamming an inbox that I have a problem with.

That last sentence is so ****ing degrading it makes me actually angry that you have chosen to accuse me of it. I do not desire an audience to belittle people in front of. I just do not like my posts being deleted when I have broken no rules and I thought we could possibly compromise.
You mod team are such a bunch of controlling robots who will just accuse someone of the most disgusting things because they choose to disagree with a couple of things you feel are right.

I have not once belittled someone today but my posts were deleted. So you can get of your high horse and actually listen to the little people who you think you are better than.

[CharlieO]

See this thread itself is turning into what I think would happen.

Snarky little comments and leading to tensions being built. The proper way to ease it all is by PMing each other, away from the eyes of everybody else.

Half of which are coming from mods themselves. I feel the conclusion must just be that the moderators are so afraid of losing even the slightest bit of power that they couldn't handle a thread where their control was the tinniest bit relaxed.

[Niamh.]

If you actually read my posts you would understand that what you said in this post is not the case.

I have no problem with a person not replying in a PM, that is perfectly fine if they want to no longer continue on with a debate. It is when you get accused of spamming an inbox that I have a problem with.

That last sentence is so ****ing degrading it makes me actually angry that you have chosen to accuse me of it. I do not desire an audience to belittle people in front of. I just do not like my posts being deleted when I have broken no rules and I thought we could possibly compromise.
You mod team are such a bunch of controlling robots who will just accuse someone of the most disgusting things because they choose to disagree with a couple of things you feel are right.

I have not once belittled someone today but my posts were deleted. So you can get of your high horse and actually listen to the little people who you think you are better than.

I have read your posts Charlie and I still feel exactly the same. I don't think I'm better than anyone else on here and I don't think I come across that way at all. I just can't see the logic in wanting to continue arguments but only in public, unless you want an audience to be watching. No one can accuse you of spamming their in box for sending one PM, if they don't reply to that one PM then they obviously aren't interested in continuing the argument. Simple.

[Kate!]

Hang on Stu, why exactly are you having a go at me?

I am not airing dirty laundry as you put it. I simply realised from this thread who had slagged me off, and thought I would let them know I knew, discreetly, and without a kickoff. That's an end to it as far as I am concerned. But yes, you are right, of course I do care really, its my nature, I care to much what people think of me, but seeing as most people on here do like me, then I will just try to not let those who dont get me down.

[Kate!]

Hang on Stu, why exactly are you having a go at me?

I am not airing dirty laundry as you put it. I simply realised from this thread who had slagged me off, and thought I would let them know I knew, discreetly, and without a kickoff. That's an end to it as far as I am concerned. But yes, you are right, of course I do care really, its my nature, I care to much what people think of me, but seeing as most people on here do like me, then I will just try to not let those who dont get me down.

[Smithy]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-15-Scary-Movie.gif

[Niamh.]

Half of which are coming from mods themselves. I feel the conclusion must just be that the moderators are so afraid of losing even the slightest bit of power that they couldn't handle a thread where their control was the tinniest bit relaxed.

Really? Because you seem to be the only one in here fighting for this Charlie, no one else seems that bothered :conf:

[InOne]

Can tomflint be banned until on-season? Cheerz.

[tomflint]

why?

[CharlieO]

I have read your posts Charlie and I still feel exactly the same. I don't think I'm better than anyone else on here and I don't think I come across that way at all. I just can't see the logic in wanting to continue arguments but only in public, unless you want an audience to be watching. No one can accuse you of spamming their in box for sending one PM, if they don't reply to that one PM then they obviously aren't interested in continuing the argument. Simple.

Well you certainly act like it.

The thing is in the past I have continued a debate in a PM and the person has kept replying to the messages, but then I get accused of spamming the inbox even though they replied the same amount of times.

Also it has happened that the person goes and posts in a chat thread about the whole debate but veered in their favour so it is biased.
If the debates are for all to see people can make their honest opinions on what has been said and then no one gangs up on others based on the proposed truth by the other party. And of course then the mods do nothing because the other person is liked by you lot and without the debate out there for people to see there isn't enough evidence to back it up. Does that make sense?

It is not to belittle others in front of people. I apologise that you clearly see me as a disgusting person who would want to do that but I honestly do not.

[tomflint]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-15-Scary-Movie.gif

hahaha this made me laugh out loud.

[Stu]

thought I would let them know I knew, discreetly
Good job. You're a proper ninja at it.

[tomflint]

Right guys chill out!

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/hIvqK.gif

[InOne]

why?

Because you're being annoying :nono:

[CharlieO]

Really? Because you seem to be the only one in here fighting for this Charlie, no one else seems that bothered :conf:

So my point is rendered irrelevant now that I do not have an army of people lining up behind me because I am not the most popular forum member. All I asked for was consideration and a trial but instead you just are extremely rude to me in your first post.

[CharlieO]

Tom could you leave this thread. I am only trying to get my point across to the mods. We do not need your silly irrelevant comments.

[Niamh.]

Well you certainly act like it.

The thing is in the past I have continued a debate in a PM and the person has kept replying to the messages, but then I get accused of spamming the inbox even though they replied the same amount of times.

Also it has happened that the person goes and posts in a chat thread about the whole debate but veered in their favour so it is biased.
If the debates are for all to see people can make their honest opinions on what has been said and then no one gangs up on others based on the proposed truth by the other party. And of course then the mods do nothing because the other person is liked by you lot and without the debate out there for people to see there isn't enough evidence to back it up. Does that make sense?

It is not to belittle others in front of people. I apologise that you clearly see me as a disgusting person who would want to do that but I honestly do not.

So it's back to mods being biased and superior now is it?

I stand by my original post.

[Stu]

Tom could you leave this thread. I am only trying to get my point across to the mods. We do not need your silly irrelevant comments.
Calm down!

[PICTURE OF A BOXING MATCH]

Chill out, bro!

[ADDITIONAL USELESS CONTRIBUTION]

[CharlieO]

So it's back to mods being biased and superior now is it?

I stand by my original post.

Please give me evidence then. Rather than your just your opinion and it having to be the most important one.

I have clearly explained how my intention is not to belittle people but you are saying you still stick by that?

[CharlieO]

Calm down!

[PICTURE OF A BOXING MATCH]

Chill out, bro!

[ADDITIONAL USELESS CONTRIBUTION]

It would be appreciated if you took your irrelevant posts elsewhere.

[Stu]

Here have some more rope. It's on me.

[Stu]

I do hate how much I have posted in this pigsty but by christ has this forum sucked today. And today is my indoors day.

[Niamh.]

So my point is rendered irrelevant now that I do not have an army of people lining up behind me because I am not the most popular forum member. All I asked for was consideration and a trial but instead you just are extremely rude to me in your first post.

Your idea would not go ahead whether you had an army of people lining up behind you or not. The point I was making was it's not just mods who don't agree with it.

I wasn't extremely rude to you at all. I was giving my opinion on an argument thread and why I thought someone would want one. Infact, you have been alot ruder to me and to all the other mods, calling us superior, robots and biassed.

[MTVN]

Well you certainly act like it.

The thing is in the past I have continued a debate in a PM and the person has kept replying to the messages, but then I get accused of spamming the inbox even though they replied the same amount of times.

Also it has happened that the person goes and posts in a chat thread about the whole debate but veered in their favour so it is biased.
If the debates are for all to see people can make their honest opinions on what has been said and then no one gangs up on others based on the proposed truth by the other party. And of course then the mods do nothing because the other person is liked by you lot and without the debate out there for people to see there isn't enough evidence to back it up. Does that make sense?

It is not to belittle others in front of people. I apologise that you clearly see me as a disgusting person who would want to do that but I honestly do not.

Well the "spamming the inbox" point isn't really a valid one because anyone can just delete any PM's they get

So it seems you kinda want a thread to act as a public battleground, where everyone turns up to watch CharlieO and Salman battle it out in "civil debate"? I don't see it. In fact I'd say that PM is a far better way to iron out your differences than a public thread is, that way you really can just have a one on one discussion over something and avoiding people playing to the gallery, so to speak, and neither side will be trying to get one over on the other person, as far as I see it this idea of yours would turn any kind of civil debate into a public point scoring contest.

[Glenn.]

I do hate how much I have posted in this pigsty but by christ has this forum sucked today. And today is my indoors day.

:joker:

[Stu]

Thank you, Glenn.

Good call on the Salman thing too. I'm not Salman's biggest fan but hounding him from thread to thread in that oh so boring way like you're the prison warden and he's the bitch has been grim viewing.

Okay I'll leave now. I'm starting to feel like a Scott.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i am completely against the idea because of who suggested it

[Niamh.]

Please give me evidence then. Rather than your just your opinion and it having to be the most important one.

I have clearly explained how my intention is not to belittle people but you are saying you still stick by that?

Give you evidence of what?

Your thread title is : For The Attention Of Moderators and Administrators so I presumed you wanted our opinions which I've given you.

[CharlieO]

Your idea would not go ahead whether you had an army of people lining up behind you or not. The point I was making was it's not just mods who don't agree with it.

I wasn't extremely rude to you at all. I was giving my opinion on an argument thread and why I thought someone would want one. Infact, you have been alot ruder to me and to all the other mods, calling us superior, robots and biassed.

I can see how an argument thread would seem like that. However as I have stated it is not a thread where it is just no holds barred surely explains all I want is an ability to not just be cut off all the time which I usually am.

Saying I want an area designated to essentially bullying people is more offensive than calling you what I did. At least I have partial evidence.
Yours is based entirely on bias.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Thank you, Glenn.

Good call on the Salman thing too. I'm not Salman's biggest fan but hounding him from thread to thread in that oh so boring way like you're the prison warden and he's the bitch has been grim viewing.

Okay I'll leave now. I'm starting to feel like a Scott.

kmt

[Black Dagger]

I do hate how much I have posted in this pigsty but by christ has this forum sucked today. And today is my indoors day.

Go and do something useful... I.E watching the Funkasauras. =)

[Glenn.]

Thank you, Glenn.

Good call on the Salman thing too. I'm not Salman's biggest fan but hounding him from thread to thread in that oh so boring way like you're the prison warden and he's the bitch has been grim viewing.

Okay I'll leave now. I'm starting to feel like a Scott.

-is confused-

[Niamh.]

I can see how an argument thread would seem like that. However as I have stated it is not a thread where it is just no holds barred surely explains all I want is an ability to not just be cut off all the time which I usually am.

Saying I want an area designated to essentially bullying people is more offensive than calling you what I did. At least I have partial evidence.
Yours is based entirely on bias.

And why would you think I have any bias against you Charlie? I've been nothing but nice to you since you joined here. I don't know why you'd think that I only have this opinion because you suggested it. Infact I'm sure someone else suggested something similar to this a while back and it was rejected too. It would have got the same reaction no matter who suggested it.

[CharlieO]

Well the "spamming the inbox" point isn't really a valid one because anyone can just delete any PM's they get

So it seems you kinda want a thread to act as a public battleground, where everyone turns up to watch CharlieO and Salman battle it out in "civil debate"? I don't see it. In fact I'd say that PM is a far better way to iron out your differences than a public thread is, that way you really can just have a one on one discussion over something and avoiding people playing to the gallery, so to speak, and neither side will be trying to get one over on the other person, as far as I see it this idea of yours would turn any kind of civil debate into a public point scoring contest.

Precisely it is not a valid point. So why have I been warned about it in the past then??

I do not want a public battleground. I just think that way every member could make up their own mind rather than being told a fake story by another member and then everyone else starts hounding you because of the untruths that another has said.

[CharlieO]

And why would you think I have any bias against you Charlie? I've been nothing but nice to you since you joined here. I don't know why you'd think that I only have this opinion because you suggested it. Infact I'm sure someone else suggested something similar to this a while back and it was rejected too. It would have got the same reaction no matter who suggested it.

It isn't about it being rejected. It is about what I have been accused of wanting. Surely their must be some biased opinion towards me if you think I am the kind of person who wants to publicly bully someone or who needs reassurance from other members?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

somebody has lost the plot

[CharlieO]

Give you evidence of what?

Your thread title is : For The Attention Of Moderators and Administrators so I presumed you wanted our opinions which I've given you.

Yes I wanted your opinions on the idea. I did not want to be accused of being a bully and then my say not even being able to penetrate your godly opinion.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

just ban him plz x

[CharlieO]

Thank you, Glenn.

Good call on the Salman thing too. I'm not Salman's biggest fan but hounding him from thread to thread in that oh so boring way like you're the prison warden and he's the bitch has been grim viewing.

Okay I'll leave now. I'm starting to feel like a Scott.

Fair enough its your opinion. It may be 'grim viewing' but if it is jog the **** on.

[GypsyGoth]

Is this a new chat thread? :amazed:

[MTVN]

Precisely it is not a valid point. So why have I been warned about it in the past then??

I do not want a public battleground. I just think that way every member could make up their own mind rather than being told a fake story by another member and then everyone else starts hounding you because of the untruths that another has said.

Well I've looked through your infractions/warnings and can't see any related to spamming someone's inbox?

And ok I see your point but I disagree that a public debate thread would solve anything, I think it'd be a bit of a farce actually. If someone misrepresents what you said then either we can deal with it, or if we for whatever reason fail to do so (as you seem to think would be inevitable but it really wouldn't) then why not simply correct them?

[Niamh.]

Yes I wanted your opinions on the idea. I did not want to be accused of being a bully and then my say not even being able to penetrate your godly opinion.

Godly opinion? :joker: Yeah, keep the insults coming Charlie.

[MTVN]

Is this a new chat thread? :amazed:

hi Claudia, how was your day? :dance:

[CharlieO]

Godly opinion? :joker: Yeah, keep the insults coming Charlie.

Pot kettle black much.

[Niall]

No Holds Barred sub forum plz

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[GypsyGoth]

hi Claudia, how was your day? :dance:

:laugh: very well thanks.

:bawling::bawling::dance:

[CharlieO]

Well I've looked through your infractions/warnings and can't see any related to spamming someone's inbox?

And ok I see your point but I disagree that a public debate thread would solve anything, I think it'd be a bit of a farce actually. If someone misrepresents what you said then either we can deal with it, or if we for whatever reason fail to do so (as you seem to think would be inevitable but it really wouldn't) then why not simply correct them?

I appreciate my point being recognised. That is all I wanted.
Fair enough if you do not agree with my idea, I have no problem with that.

And I do correct them but as everyone can see most people on here do not like me and they will believe someone like Scott to heaven and back before they would me. All I wanted was a fair playing field.

I do recall getting a warning before. and I know that my visitor messages on someones wall have been deleted even though I took the argument out of a thread.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5f35IUKr1r4xqamo1_500.gif

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

kmt not many people on here like me either but im too fabulous to care

[Kate!]

Good job. You're a proper ninja at it.

:D Right back atcha Nellie!

[Black Dagger]

hi Claudia, how was your day? :dance:

OMG, How was your's Matt? I just had a chippy tea and I'm putting on two stone LOOL.

[CharlieO]

kmt not many people on here like me either but im too fabulous to care

I do not care one bit that people don't like me. I just care when people like you tell untruths and others disregard anyone smaller's say on the matter.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

what untruths have i told ah\

[CharlieO]

Surely everyone turning this into a chat thread should be warned/infracted for spamming as it is not on topic?

[CharlieO]

what untruths have i told ah\

I obviously cannot back track and quote but before we have talked over pm and you have gone and told people I am mental etc.

Anyway this is not about you or my problems with you Scott so this ends now.

[Glenn.]

This thread is going nowhere. It's turning into a bitchfest :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

This has turned into Fight Club lol.

[CharlieO]

Because people who do not need to be are getting involved.

[Niamh.]

Closing this now as it seems to have gone offtopic. The other mods and admin can still read through your points Charlie.

[Benjamin]

Besides it absoloutely wouldn't stop things from breaking out in other parts of the forum. If anything it would increase it.

Exactly. It won't be happening.