View Full Version : Glyn and Imogen -Talking Welsh
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:05 AM
One again we seen these two talking welsh on the highlights show. What happened to that not being allowed in bb rules and they had to talk english? I know I have asked this before but nobody seems to know if they have infact changed the rules or they allow them and just put the subtitles up.
cassie69
20-06-2006, 12:08 AM
I think its out of order personally, but BB keeps allowing it!
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:09 AM
I dont mind personally reading the subtitles but I think it makes them bond because the have like a secret code over the other housemates.
i personally dont care. i hate the language but who honestly gives a ******.
:spin:
did they speak it infront of the housemates glittereyes?
chick
20-06-2006, 12:36 AM
I think they must be very stupid if they think that we the public wont know what they are saying .
Dim very Dim that means slow in wales
I have seen it on road signs .
Originally posted by chick
I think they must be very stupid if they think that we the public wont know what they are saying .
Dim very Dim that means slow in wales
I have seen it on road signs .
lol of course they know that big brother can understand them...
plus there is no signs in wales with dim on it.. lmao
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:39 AM
I thought slow was araf or something lol and dim was no.
yeah its araf :bored:
very complex language to learn, fried ma brain in gcses. that explains why i had an E... :spin:
rumanu
20-06-2006, 12:42 AM
Big brother did originally ban them from talking welsh, but they then had alot of complaints especially from S4C. They didn't want the hassle so they let them talk in welsh. It doesn't make much of a differnece to me, we need subtitles everytime Mikey & Lisa talk anyway.
Im welsh myself, but certainly cant speak a word of welsh. Im surprised both of the welsh housemates can speak welsh becase only a very low percentage of welsh people can actaully speak welsh.
Originally posted by rumanu
I'm welsh myself, but certainly cant speak a word of welsh. I'm surprised both of the welsh housemates can speak welsh becase only a very low percentage of welsh people can actaully speak welsh.
totally agree. im welsh and only 5% of my mates can actually speak fluent welsh.
i know north wales has some fluent areas but thats it
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:44 AM
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 12:46 AM
I love it when they talk in Welsh - i think its a funny language. I dont mind having to read the subtitles.
rumanu
20-06-2006, 12:47 AM
Aiiii true, but i think it could be a good thing they can speak in welsh, as they probaly think Big brother doesn't know what they are saying, so they say things that they might not normally say in English, and possibly reveal things that they dont want to.
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
rumanu
20-06-2006, 12:51 AM
Yea thats my point Glitter eyes, they dont think Big bro will find out what they are saying, so they have a bitch and say things which they dont want hearing, but we still get to hear it.
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
Its like when they are talking about people but they dont want to be overheard by anyone in the hose so they talk in Welsh! Clever really.
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:53 AM
Yeah its good that it gets translated but what if the housemates started talking in French or something, that should be allowed aswell then and translated surely?
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
lol but its out of the othas way.. none of the othas can hear them.. itll be exactly the same as if they were talkin about the housemates in english...
also i think cos its glyns primative language he feels he can let alot of his feelins out talkin to another welsh speaker in tha house.
im sure if the roles were reversed and 2 english speakers were in a spanish big brother house the 2 english speakers would speak english to eachother when alone too. :)
if ya get me
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Yeah its good that it gets translated but what if the housemates started talking in French or something, that should be allowed aswell then and translated surely?
haha yeah lol
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
lol but its out of the othas way.. none of the othas can hear them.. itll be exactly the same as if they were talkin about the housemates in english...
also i think cos its glyns primative language he feels he can let alot of his feelins out talkin to another welsh speaker in tha house.
I'm sure if the roles were reversed and 2 english speakers were in a spanish big brother house the 2 english speakers would speak english to eachother when alone too. :)
if you get me
True, true. I think maybe Glyn feels more at home talking Welsh.
GlitterEyes
20-06-2006, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
lol but its out of the othas way.. none of the othas can hear them.. itll be exactly the same as if they were talkin about the housemates in english...
also i think cos its glyns primative language he feels he can let alot of his feelins out talkin to another welsh speaker in tha house.
I'm sure if the roles were reversed and 2 english speakers were in a spanish big brother house the 2 english speakers would speak english to eachother when alone too. :)
if you get me
Yeah rofl be pretty hard not to if they didnt know spanish.
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The only part I dislike is that they can talk in a code when all the other housemates cant so inside the house they would be free to chat as they please. Of course we are getting it translated so it wouldnt amount to much but I still think they have a little over the others being able to chat in another language.
they dont speak it if the others are around .. just when theyre on thier own.
Why though, because its the only thing they have in common? Plus when they do chat in welsh it is me or is it always bitchy about others and alot of manipulating?
lol but its out of the othas way.. none of the othas can hear them.. itll be exactly the same as if they were talkin about the housemates in english...
also i think cos its glyns primative language he feels he can let alot of his feelins out talkin to another welsh speaker in tha house.
I'm sure if the roles were reversed and 2 english speakers were in a spanish big brother house the 2 english speakers would speak english to eachother when alone too. :)
if you get me
Yeah rofl be pretty hard not to if they didnt know spanish.
lol.. if spanish was thier second language.
you know what i meant :laugh:
Messiah
20-06-2006, 01:23 AM
Alot of people awake tonight,sup with that?
rumanu
20-06-2006, 01:25 AM
Well i didn't wake up untill 3.30pm today so im not quite tired yet.
Messiah
20-06-2006, 01:26 AM
I woke up at 1 30 pm.
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 01:26 AM
I didnt wake up until about 2pm so im not tired... anyway i always stay up late and get up late!
rumanu
20-06-2006, 01:27 AM
Its very handy not having a job when you've got a summer of Big Bro and the world cup. Life doesn't get much better.:dance::dance::dance:
Messiah
20-06-2006, 01:27 AM
Me too.Waking up early is for punks.
rumanu
20-06-2006, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Messiah
Me too.Waking up early is for punks.
Toucheeee!! i dont think ive got up in the AM's for months.
xGemmax
20-06-2006, 01:42 AM
I cant remember the last time i got up before noon!
lambruscokid
20-06-2006, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Yeah its good that it gets translated but what if the housemates started talking in French or something, that should be allowed aswell then and translated surely?
The official word from BB was that because Welsh is a British language, it is permitted in the house. French wouldn't count.
I'm pretty sure they speak Welsh because it's Glyn's first language, and he's more comfortable then.
I'm glad they're speaking Welsh! Not being exposed to it normally, I'm really enjoying hearing it. It's even inspired me to look up some lessons online.
booty-full
20-06-2006, 10:16 AM
They only ever seem to speak Welsh to have a private bitch!! lol. I have heard my friend speak Welsh before and it's strange as some phrases sound like other English words!!
I find it amusing how Glyn will speak Welsh then say an English swear word for which there is no equivalent, but then continue the sentence in English. I love hearing people that speak really well in two languages as they do that a lot. I have to commend anyone that has taken the time to learn!!
Bells
20-06-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm sure there's been a thread about this before?? Anyway I posted all my thoughts on there.
Foebane100
20-06-2006, 11:16 AM
When I've seen them talking in welsh, it is always Imogen who starts the bitching and Glyn usually tries not take part too much. He kind of agrees with what the person is saying but does not add to it.
Edwin
20-06-2006, 11:33 AM
it's annoying, it's an english programme in england if they want to speak Welsh then can't they make a godamn Welsh BB?
Stupid people complaining about it. And i don't see why channel 4 reacted to be honest, it's not like they haven't made programmes like "queer as folk" where there was gay sex in the first few minutes after 9pm.
I am also very surprised that both Imodim and Glyn speak welsh fluently. I am also welsh and most people i know are not so fluent. Does this mean that we could have people coming in speaking French,Spanish,German etc? IMO they should speak english only
booty-full
20-06-2006, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Edwin
it's annoying, it's an english programme in england if they want to speak Welsh then can't they make a godamn Welsh BB?
Stupid people complaining about it. And i don't see why channel 4 reacted to be honest, it's not like they haven't made programmes like "queer as folk" where there was gay sex in the first few minutes after 9pm.
Huh??? I'm confused?? The first paragraph sounds as though you disagree with it, the second sounds as though you have no problem with it...???? :conf:
Imogen and Glyn had their wrists slapped the first time that they spoke in welsh because it was seen as speaking in code. However, the Welsh language is seen as an English language so Big Brother cannot disgriminate against them.
They could also be seen to be speaking Welsh-English which is basically the dialects of English, spoken in Wales by Welsh people.
booty-full
20-06-2006, 01:11 PM
I don't see a problem with it. It is interesting and promotes Welsh speaking - countries shouldn't be made to lose touch with their roots. At the end of the day they're from a different country and therefore have a different language. As long as they aren;t rude about it and switch to Welsh whilst other people are in their convo or sitting with them, then it is fine. I hate it when English people, especially abroad, expect EVERYONE to speak English. Perhaps if they didn't we would be more cultured.
Most non-English Europeans, for example, speak at least two languages!! Many speak several including English. Our country is an embarassment in that we aren't even made to speak more than our native tongue past GCSE and children do not even learn until an older age. If children were taught young they'd learn faster!!! That's what other Europeans do!!!!
Get cultural!!!!
Bells
20-06-2006, 01:14 PM
As I said before I think it's ok. Especially when they put subtitles on so it's not like BB's hiding anything from English speaking people - so what's the problem? They're both from Wales, speak fluent Welsh and perhaps feel comfort talking Welsh so they should be allowed to speak it together. Glyn and Imogen both seem pretty decent people as well.
Slezer
20-06-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by rumanu
Aiiii true, but i think it could be a good thing they can speak in welsh, as they probaly think Big brother doesn't know what they are saying, so they say things that they might not normally say in English, and possibly reveal things that they dont want to.
What? They're not stupid...
BB-Rocks
20-06-2006, 01:49 PM
I dont think it should be allwoed, bu hey its BB's choice
booty-full
20-06-2006, 02:36 PM
I don't see the problem with them doing it as far as the programme goes, as long as it is subtitled.
The only problem I would have, with regards to the affect on the other housemates, is if they were rude in doing it as I said before - but then that's my opinion in any situation with languages
lambruscokid
20-06-2006, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Edwin
it's annoying, it's an english programme in england if they want to speak Welsh then can't they make a godamn Welsh BB?
Stupid people complaining about it. And i don't see why channel 4 reacted to be honest, it's not like they haven't made programmes like "queer as folk" where there was gay sex in the first few minutes after 9pm.
Actually, it's a British programme in the United Kingdom, a nation which includes Welsh as a British language.
If they had people speaking Italian or Portugese, that would be another matter, but as has been played out in public already, it's a matter of allowing British languages to be spoken, and English is only one of the British languages.
And yes, I do recognize the irony of a New Yorker taking the pro-Welsh side of the debate with a person who's actually from Wales. :laugh:
correct, exactly what i said before.
it could be seen as a code to the other housemates as they cannot understand welsh, but its a national language so they should be allowed to speak it!
Invicta_Toon
20-06-2006, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Edwin
it's annoying, it's an english programme in england if they want to speak Welsh then can't they make a godamn Welsh BB?
errr no. buy an atlas
Foebane100
20-06-2006, 10:38 PM
They allow them to speak Welsh because the word "disgriminate" raised it's ugly head in this PC world people run a mile to be seen not to disgriminate against anything.
If you want another point of view it is disgriminating against everyone else allowing them to speak in code mostly about other people from what I've seen.
The communicating in code is why they are no longer allowed books and magazines.
gwenllian
21-06-2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
One again we seen these two talking welsh on the highlights show. What happened to that not being allowed in bb rules and they had to talk english? I know I have asked this before but nobody seems to know if they have infact changed the rules or they allow them and just put the subtitles up.
gwenllian
21-06-2006, 03:26 PM
:elephant:and people from north wales speaks welsh as there first language and in schools as well they dont start speaking english until they are 8 years old so i think he is doing pretty well speaking english in the first place
lambruscokid
21-06-2006, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by gwenllian
:elephant:and people from north wales speaks welsh as there first language and in schools as well they dont start speaking english until they are 8 years old so i think he is doing pretty well speaking english in the first place
Exactly! He's not only showing himself to be one of the best HMs, he's even doing it in his second language!
Besides, I like hearing Welsh in the house. I feel like having Glyn there is making a lot of people have a great opinion of North Wales.
Invicta_Toon
21-06-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Foebane100
They allow them to speak Welsh because the word "disgriminate" raised it's ugly head in this PC world people run a mile to be seen not to disgriminate against anything.
If you want another point of view it is disgriminating against everyone else allowing them to speak in code mostly about other people from what I've seen.
The communicating in code is why they are no longer allowed books and magazines.
absolute rubbish, nothing to do with PC, more like C4 bosses had their heads up their arses putting welsh people in without thinking ahead, of course theyre going to speak welsh - ITS THEIR LANGUAGE. what possible bother is it to read a few subtitles?!?! FFS
GimJam
22-06-2006, 12:28 AM
I don't think they should be able to speak welsh as there not allowed any other form of codes.... :nono:
*Pete to win*
Sticks
22-06-2006, 05:38 AM
As reported on the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4997698.stm)
Originally posted by Edwin
it's annoying, it's an english programme in england if they want to speak Welsh then can't they make a godamn Welsh BB?
Stupid people complaining about it. And i don't see why channel 4 reacted to be honest, it's not like they haven't made programmes like "queer as folk" where there was gay sex in the first few minutes after 9pm.
well its broadcast in the UK mainly, most housemates have been from the UK not just england, there were audition stops in ireland , wales and scotland.
even tho welsh is a crappy language its still a language IN the UK.:hugesmile:
and as long as they only speak it too eachotha i dont give a ******.
Sunny_01
22-06-2006, 09:28 AM
To be honest I am not sure what the big deal is - they only talk to each other in Welsh when they are alone so they are not making other HM's uncomfortable & it is a language of the British Isles.
Just because we dont understand it and have to read sub-titles doesnt make it wrong for them to do it!
Sticks
22-06-2006, 04:18 PM
The same would be the case if we had two Galic speakers or 2 Cornish Speakers
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