Denise on ITV1 Loose Woman now Has Left Tim some time ago

[Toxic]

She just told everyone that she and her husband have been seperated for a long time, she's crying, it's awkward.

[arista]

She kept it Secret



She just said New Hair to Wash Ch5 House Out.




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Sundays mirror

[Ammi]

...or maybe just nobody gives a ****

[Toxic]

Beat you to it by 1 minute Arista lol

[Niamh.]

...or maybe just nobody gives a ****

I'm going to go with this theory.

[arista]

Beat you to it by 1 minute Arista lol

Merge Them


Unlike Denise

[Niamh.]

Beat you to it by 1 minute Arista lol

merged :hugesmile:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

aww that was sad to watch :sad:

[MTVN]

Typical Denise, are any of us surprised?

[arista]

All this to Get More viewers


Daybreak and Lorraine showed the Paper and said Loose Women

[arista]

Typical Denise, are any of us surprised?



I think she Stinks

[MTVN]

I think she Stinks

Spot on

[Ammi]

I did wonder why Tim or the boys were never at the eviction nights...even the final

[Niamh.]

I did wonder why Tim or the boys were never at the eviction nights...even the final

Doesn't explain why her boys never showed up though (they were probably hiding at home in shame)

[Kizzy]

Why lie on loose women the other day then, oh yeah its not a headline then is it?...

[Ammi]

Why lie on loose women the other day then, oh yeah its not a headline then is it?...

Lie? What are you suggesting....she won because she was the only real housemate...wasn't she.......WASN'T SHE?......lmao

[arista]

aww that was sad to watch :sad:


No

It Stinks.


Kept It Secret she is a Cheat to Celeb Big Brother

[arista]

Why lie on loose women the other day then, oh yeah its not a headline then is it?...


All to get more viewers today.

[Ammi]

Doesn't explain why her boys never showed up though (they were probably hiding at home in shame)

Has she not left the kids too...I stopped listening after the fake crying..reminded me of the outburst on BB...then seconds later she was talking normally

[bbfan1991]

...or maybe just nobody gives a ****

Really? Is that when the press reported it that the BB forums, Twitter and Facebook etc still smarting angrily from her win was all over this story like rash.

Denise has herself to blame and is no angel but I hope now she has given her side of the story and had Tim's consent to announce this that she can move on and sort her problems out;).

[Kizzy]

will watch it on plus one, sheesh if that woman fell in a bucket of shiz she would come out smelling of roses.. cry you old soak cry!

[bbfan1991]

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[Callum]

It all seemed very set up to me. The fact they were plugging Loose Women on all other ITV1 shows too was odd.

[Ammi]

Really? Is that when the press reported it that the BB forums, Twitter and Facebook etc still smarting angrily from her win was all over this story like rash.

Denise has herself to blame and is no angel but I hope now she has given her side of the story and had Tim's consent to announce this that she can move on and sort her problems out;).

Denise is a five minute media wonder because of BB....she's not the 'celeb' she seems to think she is

[bbfan1991]

Denise is a five minute media wonder because of BB....she's not the 'celeb' she seems to think she is

That is not true. Whether you like Denise or not she was more known for Coronation Street and Waterloo Road before CBB.

Tim and her obviously had an open marriage and they never last!

[bbfan1991]

It all seemed very set up to me. The fact they were plugging Loose Women on all other ITV1 shows too was odd.

If it's true that Tim gave his consent then it is better for her to do it on that show where she can have her say and the press cannot twist her words for their articles because it has been filmed.

[Josy]

That is not true. Whether you like Denise or not she was more known for Coronation Street and Waterloo Road before CBB.

Tim and her obviously had an open marriage and they never last!

Well that "open marriage" lasted more than 20 years?

And Denise is the sole problem so she will never be able to move on until she chills out with the drinking, stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

The woman is a ticking time bomb, it wont be long til she's back in rehab.

[Ammi]

That is not true. Whether you like Denise or not she was more known for Coronation Street and Waterloo Road before CBB.

Tim and her obviously had an open marriage and they never last!

What she is most well known for is opinion....her Coronation Street role was a long time ago now.....I haven't ever watched Waterloo Road and I don't recall her being the 'lead' in anything, but I may be wrong..so I know her for mainly Loose Woman, where she is not the 'star' but equal to all the other female presenters......however, the controversy she created on CBB, will imo be what she is remembered for as her 'highlight'.....five minute wonder

[bbfan1991]

Well that "open marriage" lasted more than 20 years?

And Denise is the sole problem so she will never be able to move on until she chills out with the drinking, stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

The woman is a ticking time bomb, it wont be long til she's back in rehab.

I agree that she is a ticking time bomb and Tim also cheated on her during their marriage.

[bbfan1991]

What she is most well known for is opinion....her Coronation Street role was a long time ago now.....I haven't ever watched Waterloo Road and I don't recall her being the 'lead' in anything, but I may be wrong..so I know her for mainly Loose Woman, where she is not the 'star' but equal to all the other female presenters......however, the controversy she created on CBB, will imo be what she is remembered for as her 'highlight'.....five minute wonder

Her French Teacher character Steph Haydock in Waterloo Road was quite funny:blush::D.

[Black Dagger]

Meh, Tim deserves a little bit better than her anyway. :bored:

[arista]

It all seemed very set up to me. The fact they were plugging Loose Women on all other ITV1 shows too was odd.


Yes it Stinks

[=^..^=]

Her reaction to being called a liar was very telling.

Also when she confronted Nicola about shredding the letters, she went on about not knowing if her husband was in America and so forth...

I didn't know who she was prior to watching CBB (I am from Canada) but from what I have seen, I am not impressed. I read her bio on Wiki and it stated she had gone to AA... so I was very surprised at her drinking and getting drunk.

[=^..^=]

Also, she was separated whilst in the house, so now it seems clear that she was flirting/intersted in Michael.

[Angus]

I reckon Tim and her sons watching her behaviour on CBB sealed the deal. They couldn't have helped but be mortified and disgusted by her behaviour, no matter what they might say to the contrary to save face.

[Jack_]

Not really familiar with this story, nor am I really that interested (not entirely sure why other people are really)...but can someone just confirm, was she in an 'open marriage'?

[Visage]

I did wonder why Tim were never at the eviction nights...even the final

Yes, I thought that too, especially when he turned up for her on DOI.

Even if his breath did stink (according to Jason)

[Visage]

Not really familiar with this story, nor am I really that interested (not entirely sure why other people are really)...but can someone just confirm, was she in an 'open marriage'?

I have a little memory of her saying this on Loose Women a while back. I think it was around the time she was on Dancing on Ice.

[arista]

Not really familiar with this story, nor am I really that interested (not entirely sure why other people are really)...but can someone just confirm, was she in an 'open marriage'?

No She Split

And played Happy to be at home.
when not out getting Pissed.

[Kizzy]

she was in an open marriage...dont think tim knew though hehehe

[Jack_]

Well if she was in an open marriage...then I don't see all the fuss. Surely the entire idea of an open marriage, or open relationship for that matter, is that you're permitted to have other sexual partners and partners of some kind outside of your marriage/relationship, but all the while you are both there for each other when, basically, not copping off with someone else?

So...what's the problem? If that's what kind of marriage it was, then why the fuss? Unless I'm missing something here, I'm not fully clued up on this story as I said :conf:

[Visage]

So...what's the problem? If that's what kind of marriage it was, then why the fuss? Unless I'm missing something here, I'm not fully clued up on this story as I said :conf:

I think it maybe just an excuse for a story.

[arista]

she was in an open marriage...dont think tim knew though hehehe


She Split from him months back
He Knew

[scary-mary]

The vile woman has shown her true colours at last. The magazines have not made it up, she is what she is. She is truly delusional if she thinks her children are happy that she has behaved like a slapper. Get this woman off our screens and into a clinic !

[Kizzy]

i second that!

[Kazanne]

Aw you,re meanies,I just watched this and felt sorry for her,lol,hope they sort things out.The press are a pain in the ass sometimes.

[Kizzy]

they may be, but if you go around conducting yourself in such a manner to court controversy whilst spouting half-truths and untruths dont cry when it all blows up in your face.

[arista]

Aw you,re meanies,I just watched this and felt sorry for her,lol,hope they sort things out.The press are a pain in the ass sometimes.


But Set Up - to get Max Viewers.

[bbfan1991]

Well if she was in an open marriage...then I don't see all the fuss. Surely the entire idea of an open marriage, or open relationship for that matter, is that you're permitted to have other sexual partners and partners of some kind outside of your marriage/relationship, but all the while you are both there for each other when, basically, not copping off with someone else?

So...what's the problem? If that's what kind of marriage it was, then why the fuss? Unless I'm missing something here, I'm not fully clued up on this story as I said :conf:

He admitted to cheating on Denise before for retaliation on her cheating on him previously, all messed up:conf:.

[reece(:]

this all looks staged, typical

[Pyramid*]

Well that "open marriage" lasted more than 20 years?

And Denise is the sole problem so she will never be able to move on until she chills out with the drinking, stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

The woman is a ticking time bomb, it wont be long til she's back in rehab.


This 100%.

also shows how much a liar she was on CBB harping on about how wonderfully happy her family life was etc: that she was a happily married woman.

Most people on here could see right through her on CBB....maybe those who doubted us, might want to sit back and think who had the correct opinion. She manipulated the housemates with her lies, she manipulated the viewers, and her those who 'supported her' for being 'real'.

she wouldn't know what reality was if it slapped her own the face.

[Pyramid*]

Well that "open marriage" lasted more than 20 years?

And Denise is the sole problem so she will never be able to move on until she chills out with the drinking, stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

The woman is a ticking time bomb, it wont be long til she's back in rehab.


This 100%.

also shows how much a liar she was on CBB harping on about how wonderfully happy her family life was etc: that she was a happily married woman.

Most people on here could see right through her on CBB....maybe those who doubted us, might want to sit back and think who had the correct opinion. She manipulated the housemates with her lies, she manipulated the viewers, and her those who 'supported her' for being 'real'.

she wouldn't know what reality was if it slapped her in the face.

[Incensed]

Well that "open marriage" lasted more than 20 years?

And Denise is the sole problem so she will never be able to move on until she chills out with the drinking, stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

The woman is a ticking time bomb, it wont be long til she's back in rehab.


I really can't believe you've just said that! I suppose it would be ok if the man was older than the woman and he learned to accept the ageing process?

I'm not a Denise fan, but it seems as if it's ok for an older man to sleep with a younger woman, but not the other way round?

[Jake.]

This 100%.

also shows how much a liar she was on CBB harping on about how wonderfully happy her family life was etc: that she was a happily married woman.

Most people on here could see right through her on CBB....maybe those who doubted us, might want to sit back and think who had the correct opinion. She manipulated the housemates with her lies, she manipulated the viewers, and her those who 'supported her' for being 'real'.

she wouldn't know what reality was if it slapped her own the face.

Maybe she didn't fancy mentioning that her marriage had broken apart, because she didnt want 3 million people knowing about something which she herself cannot deal with?

[Jack_]

This 100%.

also shows how much a liar she was on CBB harping on about how wonderfully happy her family life was etc: that she was a happily married woman.

Pretty stupid...perhaps she was covering up this secret all along, and maybe that is why she so frequently got upset? The stress and emotions linked to it may well have played a part, I'm betting they did. Was it essential that she broadcasted the status of her marriage to the rest of the house, or indeed the nation? Clearly she was trying to cover up her sadness by supposedly 'harping' on about how 'wonderful' her family life was...I'd have thought that was pretty much common sense. Maybe she didn't want to admit to everyone what had happened, and preferred to gloss over it instead? I imagine it's quite a sensitive subject and maybe sharing it with strangers wasn't something she wanted to do. Everyone deals with emotions differently, I'd have thought, given your age...you might have learnt that.

[arista]

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Tuesdays Mirror

[Visage]

..............And I wonder how much she is pocketing with all these interviews.





No wonder she kept quiet in the house, why speak about it when there's money to potentially on offer..

[Josy]

I really can't believe you've just said that! I suppose it would be ok if the man was older than the woman and he learned to accept the ageing process?

I'm not a Denise fan, but it seems as if it's ok for an older man to sleep with a younger woman, but not the other way round?

Um what?

I never posted anything like that at all so stop jumping to conclusions.

[Kizzy]

Iv'e said it before and ima say it again...viiiillle!

[armand.kay]

:bawling::bawling::bawling: I could not lie any more. By the way watch our new show :hugesmile:/:bawling:

[Wayne-Kerr]

Some people are still obsessed :blush2:

[Scotty07]

:bawling::bawling::bawling: I could not lie any more. By the way watch our new show :hugesmile:/:bawling:

:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Maybe she didn't fancy mentioning that her marriage had broken apart, because she didnt want 3 million people knowing about something which she herself cannot deal with?

That being that she's a drunken trollop with a history of infidelity within her marriage? One person to blame for that - herself. She put herself in the public eye: her job in Loose Women involves giving views and opinions on all manner of things and people: that's the life and career she chose - if she's happy to make money from doing what others are doing to her now but she doesn'tlike it when the shoe is on the other foot - that's tough luck.

[Pyramid*]

Pretty stupid...perhaps she was covering up this secret all along, and maybe that is why she so frequently got upset? The stress and emotions linked to it may well have played a part, I'm betting they did. Was it essential that she broadcasted the status of her marriage to the rest of the house, or indeed the nation? Clearly she was trying to cover up her sadness by supposedly 'harping' on about how 'wonderful' her family life was...I'd have thought that was pretty much common sense. Maybe she didn't want to admit to everyone what had happened, and preferred to gloss over it instead? I imagine it's quite a sensitive subject and maybe sharing it with strangers wasn't something she wanted to do. Everyone deals with emotions differently, I'd have thought, given your age...you might have learnt that.

Who the bloody hell do you think you are addressing Jack? My age has got sweet piss all to do with anything - keep your personal sarcastic remarks to yourself and learn to post on the subject matter without being facetious to fms personally.

At HER age, if she was going through so much 'emotional turmoil' (thus Michael Madsen was 100% correct in his comment that she was emotionally distrubed: the man has been vindicated) - she put herself up for being on a show that she was not emotionally able to cope with. You expect me to feel sorry for that - or feel compassion? Not a chance in hell mate.

[Pyramid*]

Some people are still obsessed :blush2:

I'm guessing you've missed the part where the recent CBB winner is splashed all over the front pages of tabloids due to the state of her personal life - the same one that she made out was so perfect, yet sought to disparage Michael Madsen's character and his life - and turns out that she is what we all said before: a manipulating little liar. It's called current news though I don't think I'd have had to spell that out to you.

[Pyramid*]

And she wonders why her marriage is up the spout ........:whistle:



Wild night out: Denise Welch semi strips down to her underwear as she, husband Tim Healy and some friends go crazy at a karaoke bar



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2097493/Denise-Welch-husband-Tim-Healy-wildly-celebrate-birthday-Big-Brother-win-just-week-announcing-split-23-years.html#ixzz1lg3etSRu
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[Angus]

Outrageous that CBB allowed the old soak to hijack the show with her manipulative histrionics, and history repeats itself on Loose Women. Her performances get more hammy every time I see them, and once a person lies I no longer believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. Who the hell cares about her sordid, sleazy personal life? Why doesn't she just disappear with her hollow victory obtained by duping gullible people into believing her version of events, and of course the help of her equally deluded "celeb" friends launching voting campaigns for her.

Those of us who saw through her self serving, drama queen tactics, are now thoroughly vindicated, and I bet Michael is laughing his socks off now the truth has been revealed.

[Pyramid*]

Outrageous that CBB allowed the old soak to hijack the show with her manipulative histrionices, and history repeats itself on Loose Women. Her performances get more hammy every time I see them, and once a person lies I no longer believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. Who the hell cares about her sordid, sleazy personal life? Why doesn't she just disappear with her hollow victory obtained by duping gullible people into believing her version of events, and of course the help of her equally deluded "celeb" friends launching voting campaigns for her.

Those of use who saw through her self serving, drama queen tactics, are now thoroughly vindicated, and I bet Michael is laughing his socks off now the truth has been revealed.

Given all the sudden press coverage, I'm more inclined to believe she had to come 'clean' before the papers went public on it all....her act on Loose Women has been an act - to try to save face.

Too late - many of us knew what others refused to believe.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week1/16164527.jpg


Of Course

Todays Star

[arista]

Would she have Won if Everyone Knew the truth?

[Cherie]

:hugesmile: this is exactly what I expected from Denise.... and if she is so "honest" and not a "liar" why did she not come clean immediately rather than brushing it under the carpet when she first came back on LW as a guest last Monday....I pity anyone who spent money making her "your winner" :joker::devil: lets face it if the marriage was "so open" and they had split weeks ago, why not say? this is a face saving exercise and if some people can't see that you really need to get your head out of the sand.

[Kizzy]

I dont believe they split before christmas at all, on CBB she said tim had heart surgery 8 weeks previous.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

nonsense. Here is the truth. tim has been nothing but her push-over, her dormat. since she's just won cbb she thinks she's the nation sweetheart and oops out comes something to ruin the new image she built up on cbb. tim has had enough, wants divorce, she agrees but then begs him to go along with the they broke up before xmas story so her sweetheart image isn't tarnished. tim allows himself to be a doormat once more.

the end

"my children are very proud of me" ugh of what exactly? :conf: gooooo aawwaaaaaaaayyyyyy

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Outrageous that CBB allowed the old soak to hijack the show with her manipulative histrionices, and history repeats itself on Loose Women. Her performances get more hammy every time I see them, and once a person lies I no longer believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. Who the hell cares about her sordid, sleazy personal life? Why doesn't she just disappear with her hollow victory obtained by duping gullible people into believing her version of events, and of course the help of her equally deluded "celeb" friends launching voting campaigns for her.

Those of use who saw through her self serving, drama queen tactics, are now thoroughly vindicated, and I bet Michael is laughing his socks off now the truth has been revealed.

I am fairly certain Michael doesn't give a rats arse

[Niamh.]

This 100%.

also shows how much a liar she was on CBB harping on about how wonderfully happy her family life was etc: that she was a happily married woman.

Most people on here could see right through her on CBB....maybe those who doubted us, might want to sit back and think who had the correct opinion. She manipulated the housemates with her lies, she manipulated the viewers, and her those who 'supported her' for being 'real'.

she wouldn't know what reality was if it slapped her own the face.

Yeah, exactly, iirc, her being "real" was peoples main reason for liking her. Yes, very real :laugh:

[Kizzy]

so what will her next stunt be? pose for playboy ?...check into rehab?...

[kefln]

Denise played the victim in the house, now she is playing the victim in "real" life.

Crying and blaming the world for her problems is about all she is good for. I would imagine that drink is at the heart of her split.

People voting for her was the worst possible result of BB. It gave her the validation she needed to continue down this path of self destruction.

[Kizzy]

Every damn day on loose women the show is dominated in part to her drama...just get off my tellybox old woman!

[Visage]

Every damn day on loose women the show is dominated in part to her drama...just get off my tellybox old woman!


I would suggest giving that show a miss for a few weeks, it's only going to get worse...

[Kizzy]

i know this daytime tv is driving me bonkers..GIZZA JOB! haha

[Kazanne]

I really can't see the fascination with Denise and her 'marriage' it's over,so what? nothing that thousands of others havent faced,so she told porkies,again, nothing we haven't all done ,maybe putting on a brave face,who really knows,Tim seems to be fine with everything as recent pics show!so why are strangers so bothered,ok she won CBB and some did not like that,she wasn't my winner but she DID win,no going back now no matter how much we cuss and moan,I just hope she doesn't get the moronic death threats and hate that some have had.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I really can't see the fascination with Denise and her 'marriage' it's over,so what? nothing that thousands of others havent faced,so she told porkies,again, nothing we haven't all done ,maybe putting on a brave face,who really knows,Tim seems to be fine with everything as recent pics show!so why are strangers so bothered,ok she won CBB and some did not like that,she wasn't my winner but she DID win,no going back now no matter how much we cuss and moan,I just hope she doesn't get the moronic death threats and hate that some have had.

Well said Kazanne, 100% agree with you, at the end of the day, it's no ones business, she & her family must be going through hell at the moment, cause a marriage breakup is not easy on anyone.

[Niamh.]

Well said Kazanne, 100% agree with you, at the end of the day, it's no ones business, she & her family must be going through hell at the moment, cause a marriage breakup is not easy on anyone.

She's the one who's making it everyones business by going on about it on national TV though :conf:

[Visage]

She's the one who's making it everyones business by going on about it on national TV though :conf:

Oh..http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-021.gif


I thought you were meaning Kazanne, then I realised it was Denise.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry-20.GIF


:laugh:

[Kazanne]

Oh..http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-021.gif


I thought you were meaning Kazanne, then I realised it was Denise.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry-20.GIF


:laugh:

lol,Visage you just wanna see me and Niamh scrapping:joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

She's the one who's making it everyones business by going on about it on national TV though :conf:

I know what you mean Niamh,but the press haven't shut up about since she won CBB,lol.surely it's not worthy of front page news EVERY day,I'm more interested in getting that bliddy'hook'man exported tbh,lol.

[Niamh.]

I know what you mean Niamh,but the press haven't shut up about since she won CBB,lol.surely it's not worthy of front page news EVERY day,I'm more interested in getting that bliddy'hook'man exported tbh,lol.

Hook man? :eek:

[Visage]

lol,Visage you just wanna see me and Niamh scrapping:joker::joker:

Now there's a thought...:evilgrin::thumbs2:

[Kazanne]

Hook man? :eek:

pmsl ' Niamh,I cant remember his name but that terrorist bloke with the 'hook' for a hand,lol

[Ammi]

Tbh once CBB finished I wasn't much interested in seeing Denise anymore, but Denise herself is the one courting the publicity. I don't really feel sorry much for Tim because I think they were probably a very difunctional couple anyway, but I do feel for her boys for the way she's handling this. They'll having to read and listen to unflattering things about their mum because she herself has put it all out there. I know she's probably thinking, as a single lady now she wants to capitalise on this attention and make a few quid, but it feels once again that Denise seems to put herself and her wishes first first. Anyway, she could take lesson from that other Loose Woman Andrea on how to handle a seperation with more dignity and stop constantly talking about it......IMO, just in case Chuff's reading this

[Pyramid*]

Well said Kazanne, 100% agree with you, at the end of the day, it's no ones business, she & her family must be going through hell at the moment, cause a marriage breakup is not easy on anyone.

Mabye if she let the press do what they do, and for her to keep her dignity and remain tight lipped and deal with it all privately - people would have some respect for her.

As it is: it's all SHE has spoken about - and I'll tell you something else: I bet there will be another book from her on the back of all this. ;)

She's not wanting anything kept private: otherwise she'd simply shut her mouth - but as we all saw on CBB, it's some size of gob to try and keep shut - it's something else for her to add to her 'To do' List, along with drying out.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week1/16164491.jpg


The 3rd Front Page today for this Utter Con Woman.

[Patricia4]

She is such a player her gob is too big to keep shut she's a scum bag.

[Incensed]

Um what?

I never posted anything like that at all so stop jumping to conclusions.

Ok, fair comment. You didn't say it would be ok if the roles were reversed. But why should it not be ok for an older woman to be with a younger man?

stops sleeping around with younger men and learns to accept the ageing process.

[Pyramid*]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week1/16164491.jpg


The 3rd Front Page today for this Utter Con Woman.

I wonder if that Winter vomitting bug in the hospitals is related to poor sick patients flicking through the tabloids - and being met with the full horror of Denise flashing her well worn bits. :shocked:

Poor wee souls: as if being in hospital isn't bad enough - they have those awful images of the drunken scuttery one forced upon their innocent & unsuspecfting wee eyes, causing them to vomit all over the place. Life is so cruel at times. :sad:

[Wayne-Kerr]

Nothing wrong with making money out of a relationship split.

[Kazanne]

Maybe she hasn't kept quiet because if she does the papers will run riot with this story,by speaking up she is giving HER version of things and holding the press off printing some fabrications,i dont think I'de keep stum if the press were running a story and putting their own spin on things,best she speak up ,no one else knows only her and her family,I cant understand the hate for her seems a bit harsh,none of us lead perfect lives.

[Jack_]

I'll never, ever be able to fathom this barrage of hate directed at so-called 'sluts' and 'slags'. This whole story and the response it's received links in pretty well to it I think.

I've never understood it...what is so bad about sleeping with many people? Like, really? What is it? Just because we've all been brought up to believe it is bad, it doesn't mean it is. It's another socially constructed concept that we have all just bought into...and well why? People enjoy sex...so why should there be a limit on the amount of it you can have? Why do people look down on those who 'sleep around'? What exactly is the big problem with it? That's not to say I agree with cheating - that's an entirely different thing (which I don't agree with), before someone brings that up. So it's not completely linked, but I've never really got my head around why people bandy the terms 'slut' and 'slag' about so much, what's the real problem?

That links into people's problems with Denise getting her tits out, or flashing. Or any other woman (or man) for that reason. Again...what's the big deal? Why is it so utterly wrong and 'disgusting' if someone is to do that, especially if they're considered 'too old'? Like...what difference does it make? Can people not enjoy themselves, have a bit of a laugh, and you know...use their body in whatever way they wish? What business is it of anyone else to look down on somebody for engaging in such actions and behaviour? Why again has everyone just adopted this idea that it's so 'bad' and that people who do it 'embarrass' themselves? Because if anything, I think the people who criticise those for actually enjoying their lives, living it the way they want to live, regardless of their age, are the ones that embarrass themselves. They make themselves look like such uptight, miserable idiots that wish to preach their reserved, prudish attitude to the rest of society. At least people like Denise are proud of their bodies, proud to use it in whatever way they wish, and are willing to have a joke around. Why is that oh such an awful thing? The answer - it's not. People just think it is because that's what they've been brought up to believe. Does that make it right? Of course not.

Who the bloody hell do you think you are addressing Jack?

You. I'd have thought that was pretty evident considering I quoted your post...

My age has got sweet piss all to do with anything - keep your personal sarcastic remarks to yourself and learn to post on the subject matter without being facetious to fms personally.

I'm afraid it has, as living longer than someone often means you are likely to have had more life experiences. Hell, you've even said that to me before in the past...talk about double standards. It's not always true, and can't always be used as an argument...but here I don't see why it can't.

At HER age, if she was going through so much 'emotional turmoil' (thus Michael Madsen was 100% correct in his comment that she was emotionally distrubed: the man has been vindicated) - she put herself up for being on a show that she was not emotionally able to cope with. You expect me to feel sorry for that - or feel compassion? Not a chance in hell mate.

I'm pretty sure most people agreed Michael was right in his comments, it's just the fact that he chose to so nastily air them in front of her and the rest of the house that was the problem. It made great TV however...and I am a Michael fan, or was.

Yeah - for one main reason really, money. And let's not deny that most of us in her position would've accepted the offer, if given it.

Just because she wasn't perhaps 'emotionally able to cope with it', that doesn't mean you can't feel compassion, that's just stupid. At the end of the day...the woman had recently split from her husband, didn't want to discuss it with anyone (which is a choice she is perfectly entitled to, despite what anyone thinks), and so obviously may have been a little sensitive at times, and maybe that's why she got so upset so often. There's no problem with that. And of course, let's not forget the reason which overrides all others here...it made great TV.

I wonder if that Winter vomitting bug in the hospitals is related to poor sick patients flicking through the tabloids - and being met with the full horror of Denise flashing her well worn bits. :shocked:

Poor wee souls: as if being in hospital isn't bad enough - they have those awful images of the drunken scuttery one forced upon their innocent & unsuspecfting wee eyes, causing them to vomit all over the place. Life is so cruel at times. :sad:

I'm pretty sure having to read the abomination that is The Daily Express is more likely to induce illness than anything else. I'd have thought that's a given.

[Pyramid*]

I'll never, ever be able to fathom this barrage of hate directed at so-called 'sluts' and 'slags'. This whole story and the response it's received links in pretty well to it I think.

I've never understood it...what is so bad about sleeping with many people? Like, really? What is it? Just because we've all been brought up to believe it is bad, it doesn't mean it is. It's another socially constructed concept that we have all just bought into...and well why? People enjoy sex...so why should there be a limit on the amount of it you can have? Why do people look down on those who 'sleep around'? What exactly is the big problem with it? That's not to say I agree with cheating - that's an entirely different thing (which I don't agree with), before someone brings that up. So it's not completely linked, but I've never really got my head around why people bandy the terms 'slut' and 'slag' about so much, what's the real problem?

That links into people's problems with Denise getting her tits out, or flashing. Or any other woman (or man) for that reason. Again...what's the big deal? Why is it so utterly wrong and 'disgusting' if someone is to do that, especially if they're considered 'too old'? Like...what difference does it make? Can people not enjoy themselves, have a bit of a laugh, and you know...use their body in whatever way they wish? What business is it of anyone else to look down on somebody for engaging in such actions and behaviour? Why again has everyone just adopted this idea that it's so 'bad' and that people who do it 'embarrass' themselves? Because if anything, I think the people who criticise those for actually enjoying their lives, living it the way they want to live, regardless of their age, are the ones that embarrass themselves. They make themselves look like such uptight, miserable idiots that wish to preach their reserved, prudish attitude to the rest of society. At least people like Denise are proud of their bodies, proud to use it in whatever way they wish, and are willing to have a joke around. Why is that oh such an awful thing? The answer - it's not. People just think it is because that's what they've been brought up to believe. Does that make it right? Of course not.



You. I'd have thought that was pretty evident considering I quoted your post...



I'm afraid it has, as living longer than someone often means you are likely to have had more life experiences. Hell, you've even said that to me before in the past...talk about double standards. It's not always true, and can't always be used as an argument...but here I don't see why it can't.



I'm pretty sure most people agreed Michael was right in his comments, it's just the fact that he chose to so nastily air them in front of her and the rest of the house that was the problem. It made great TV however...and I am a Michael fan, or was.

Yeah - for one main reason really, money. And let's not deny that most of us in her position would've accepted the offer, if given it.

Just because she wasn't perhaps 'emotionally able to cope with it', that doesn't mean you can't feel compassion, that's just stupid. At the end of the day...the woman had recently split from her husband, didn't want to discuss it with anyone (which is a choice she is perfectly entitled to, despite what anyone thinks), and so obviously may have been a little sensitive at times, and maybe that's why she got so upset so often. There's no problem with that. And of course, let's not forget the reason which overrides all others here...it made great TV.



I'm pretty sure having to read the abomination that is The Daily Express is more likely to induce illness than anything else. I'd have thought that's a given.


BIB.Clearly, this type of comment coming from you - from someone who I suspect has either nil or very very little experience of 'sleeping' with anyone, never mind 'sleeping around' when in a long term relationship, is hilarious but not altogether unexpected seeing as you think you know it all Jack, when in fact, you know very little.

Married woman (or men) don't go about sleeping around - or rather, those who aren't loose on morals don't. Very easy to comprehend but as I say, I'm not surprised at all that you don't understand that.

The 2nd para of that particular paragraph that I bolded above shows that you completely contradicted yourself in saying that you don't agree with cheating.

Get an opinion one way or another rather than covering all bases - otherwise your diatribes are a meaningless barrage of empty words.

[tonyface]

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Lying manipulator, funny how she never mentioned it whilst she winning votes, with the Tim Healey pie, at the dinner table.......:blush:

[tonyface]

My husband might be in America........

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week1/16165348.jpg

Here we go again

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[Jake.]

The fact she is on front pages doesn't bother me. If anything, it's a tiny bit more promotion for Big Brother.

[arista]

The fact she is on front pages doesn't bother me. If anything, it's a tiny bit more promotion for Big Brother.

You have that wrong
She is Promoting herself on Loose Women. ITV1

[Angus]

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE:

NHS cuts?
University Fees?
The Economy?
The Crisis in Europe?
The war on terrorism?

HELL NO

Some mediocre actress has split up with her husband because of her constant affairs and drunken antics, and instead of crawling away to avoid any further embarrassment to her family, insists on grandstanding on national television, thus resulting in her pointless, futile life being worthy of front page coverage:bored::idc:

[arista]

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE:

NHS cuts?
University Fees?
The Economy?
The Crisis in Europe?
The war on terrorism?

HELL NO

Some mediocre actress has split up with her husband because of her constant affairs and drunken antics, and instead of crawling away to avoid any further embarrassment to her family, insists on grandstanding on national television, thus resulting in her pointless, futile life being worthy of front page coverage:bored::idc:


Yes with that Hag on a Front page
I say Sod that Paper.

[Marc]

Aw poor Denise

[Jack_]

BIB.Clearly, this type of comment coming from you - from someone who I suspect has either nil or very very little experience of 'sleeping' with anyone, never mind 'sleeping around' when in a long term relationship, is hilarious but not altogether unexpected seeing as you think you know it all Jack, when in fact, you know very little.

And you expect me to believe that you have a lot of sexual experience? Oh my...please. Dying :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

Married woman (or men) don't go about sleeping around - or rather, those who aren't loose on morals don't. Very easy to comprehend but as I say, I'm not surprised at all that you don't understand that.

The 2nd para of that particular paragraph that I bolded above shows that you completely contradicted yourself in saying that you don't agree with cheating.

Get an opinion one way or another rather than covering all bases - otherwise your diatribes are a meaningless barrage of empty words.

Surprise, surprise, as per usual you've completely missed my point...or rather, chose to ignore my point and bypass everything, instead reverting to recycled rubbish that you've already posted that doesn't actually invalidate anything I've said.

I made clear in my post I was referring to people's problems with single people who sleep around, calling them things like 'slags' and 'sluts'. It was a totally separate issue to the thread in hand, but related in some way, and so that's why I brought it up. I clearly stated that married men/women, or those who are in relationships that cheat - are quite rightfully in the wrong. But you don't seem to have noted that part...which of course isn't at all surprising.

There is no real reason as to why people (single people...yes, just to make sure that's clear) cannot sleep around, and why if they do so they're labelled with such ridiculous names. Because let's be honest...what exactly is the problem with it, I mean really? What is it? Once again...this isn't about married people, or those in relationships (I hope I've made myself clear now) who cheat - as obviously then there's a problem. But it's about single people, and why so many people have such a problem with those who sleep around.

I have an opinion, and it's not 'covering all bases'. It's a clear division between single people and those in relationships. That's not difficult to comprehend.

[Pyramid*]

And you expect me to believe that you have a lot of sexual experience? Oh my...please. Dying :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:



Surprise, surprise, as per usual you've completely missed my point...or rather, chose to ignore my point and bypass everything, instead reverting to recycled rubbish that you've already posted that doesn't actually invalidate anything I've said.

I made clear in my post I was referring to people's problems with single people who sleep around, calling them things like 'slags' and 'sluts'. It was a totally separate issue to the thread in hand, but related in some way, and so that's why I brought it up. I clearly stated that married men/women, or those who are in relationships that cheat - are quite rightfully in the wrong. But you don't seem to have noted that part...which of course isn't at all surprising.

There is no real reason as to why people (single people...yes, just to make sure that's clear) cannot sleep around, and why if they do so they're labelled with such ridiculous names. Because let's be honest...what exactly is the problem with it, I mean really? What is it? Once again...this isn't about married people, or those in relationships (I hope I've made myself clear now) who cheat - as obviously then there's a problem. But it's about single people, and why so many people have such a problem with those who sleep around.

I have an opinion, and it's not 'covering all bases'. It's a clear division between single people and those in relationships. That's not difficult to comprehend.

Another diatribe, you're very good at them I must say. :D

You missed the point again. Denise was MARRIED when she was knocking about. It isn't rocket science. ~Well, not for the average person to understand.

[Kizzy]

To be totally honest i have surprised myself at my own reaction to this woman, wether its some deep seated resentment issues from my childhood, aspects of myself i dont like..what ever it is this persons behaviour jars with me, the whole jeckel and hyde aspect to it, the air of respectability she has conflicts with what we saw in the house. Not to mention the media circus that she is ringmaster of right now.
I am usually level headed and i dont take people at face value, but im really struggling to see one single positive to this person.

[Jack_]

Another diatribe, you're very good at them I must say. :D

You missed the point again. Denise was MARRIED when she was knocking about. It isn't rocket science. ~Well, not for the average person to understand.

And you're very good at completely ignoring any valid points someone makes, replying with a few lines of recycled, devoid rubbish that really, has no relation to anything the poster said. It's all a game of avoid-being-proven-wrong and you excel in it. Perhaps there are degrees available in it that you could take up?

Well...considering the title of this thread, and what she said on Loose Women, it doesn't seem that way to me. It seems that she was separated from her husband when she was 'knocking about'. Not that that has anything to do with the main things I said of course, but why I expected a coherent reply that actually had some relation to what I posted, I have no idea...I should have known what to expect.

[Pyramid*]

And you're very good at completely ignoring any valid points someone makes, replying with a few lines of recycled, devoid rubbish that really, has no relation to anything the poster said. It's all a game of avoid-being-proven-wrong and you excel in it. Perhaps there are degrees available in it that you could take up?

Well...considering the title of this thread, and what she said on Loose Women, it doesn't seem that way to me. It seems that she was separated from her husband when she was 'knocking about'. Not that that has anything to do with the main things I said of course, but why I expected a coherent reply that actually had some relation to what I posted, I have no idea...I should have known what to expect.


Nah just yours Jack. So pointless I find them to be.

That, is my perogative. :D

[Jack_]

Nah just yours Jack. So pointless I find them to be.

That, is my perogative. :D

:joker:

See that's amusing because I'm definitely not the only one to have made the same point to you in the past, and you and most others are quite aware of this. Deny it all you want Pyramid, but you know you do it and pretending that you don't isn't going to change it.

Let's be honest here...the real reason isn't that you find them 'pointless', it's just that when someone confronts you with some reasoned, valid arguments you crumble and so instead of attempting to construct some form of coherent counter argument, you resort to extracts from Pyramid's Book of Avoidance Catchphrases and churn out some of your classics like 'I have a right to an opinion'. I don't think I have ever witnessed you actually attempt to counter argue properly, you attempt it but as soon as someone makes a point that you find difficult to argue against, you give up and return to your wonderful world of avoidance techniques.

[Kizzy]

from what i can see, from the publics point of view she was happily married on monday...then on tuesday she and tim had been separated since before christmas, some could be excused for feeling confused by this.

[Pyramid*]

:joker:

See that's amusing because I'm definitely not the only one to have made the same point to you in the past, and you and most others are quite aware of this. Deny it all you want Pyramid, but you know you do it and pretending that you don't isn't going to change it.

Let's be honest here...the real reason isn't that you find them 'pointless', it's just that when someone confronts you with some reasoned, valid arguments you crumble and so instead of attempting to construct some form of coherent counter argument, you resort to extracts from Pyramid's Book of Avoidance Catchphrases and churn out some of your classics like 'I have a right to an opinion'. I don't think I have ever witnessed you actually attempt to counter argue properly, you attempt it but as soon as someone makes a point that you find difficult to argue against, you give up and return to your wonderful world of avoidance techniques.

Nah. I just find your posts boring and full of nonsense. You pay little heed to what others actually say a lot of the time - I'm simply returning your own behaviour.

Opinionate away till your wee heart is content. I still won't agree with you. That's ALSO my perogative.

[Pyramid*]

from what i can see, from the publics point of view she was happily married on monday...then on tuesday she and tim had been separated since before christmas, some could be excused for feeling confused by this.

Quite. And let's be honest here: she certainly went out of her way on CBB to give over the impression that she was a happily married woman, in love with her wonderful husband etc. She certainly went to great lengths to hide the fact that she was in fact, not happily married - nor even living happily.

Some of us on here sussed that out long ago.

Besides: some on here clearly aren't aware of her autobiography written not too long ago in which she revealed she was knocking about previously when she WAS in the throes of marriage.

[Jack_]

Nah. I just find your posts boring and full of nonsense. You pay little heed to what others actually say a lot of the time - I'm simply returning your own behaviour.

Opinionate away till your wee heart is content. I still won't agree with you. That's ALSO my perogative.

This has to be one of the most misinformed posts of the day :joker:

It's funny that you say that, considering every single argument you, or any other person ever presents me with, I attempt to deconstruct and counter argue with valid, reasoned and coherent points. There's occasions where I can't, but I don't then turn to avoidance techniques, I step back, admit I'm wrong and apologise. Why do it any other way? That's the entire point of debate, but if there ever comes a point where you're unable to justify your point, chances are you're wrong, or there are loopholes in what you're saying. It happens to most of us, it's just a case of whether you can admit it when it happens or not.

The amount of times I multi-quote your posts and scrutinise every part of your argument, only to receive a barrage of bypassing, regurgitated one-liners in return is unreal. I'm not the only one to experience this with you, and you are fully aware of that.

The reason you won't agree with me is because you're incapable of responding to valid points that destroy anything you've said. Again, that's not 'disagreeing', that's bypassing...and quitting. So yes, that...what I have just described, is your prerogative.

[Pyramid*]

This has to be one of the most misinformed posts of the day :joker:

It's funny that you say that, considering every single argument you, or any other person ever presents me with, I attempt to deconstruct and counter argue with valid, reasoned and coherent points. There's occasions where I can't, but I don't then turn to avoidance techniques, I step back, admit I'm wrong and apologise. Why do it any other way? That's the entire point of debate, but if there ever comes a point where you're unable to justify your point, chances are you're wrong, or there are loopholes in what you're saying. It happens to most of us, it's just a case of whether you can admit it when it happens or not.

The amount of times I multi-quote your posts and scrutinise every part of your argument, only to receive a barrage of bypassing, regurgitated one-liners in return is unreal. I'm not the only one to experience this with you, and you are fully aware of that.

The reason you won't agree with me is because you're incapable of responding to valid points that destroy anything you've said. Again, that's not 'disagreeing', that's bypassing...and quitting. So yes, that...what I have just described, is your prerogative.

You're boring the tits off me Jack.

[Incensed]

Quite. And let's be honest here: she certainly went out of her way on CBB to give over the impression that she was a happily married woman, in love with her wonderful husband etc. She certainly went to great lengths to hide the fact that she was in fact, not happily married - nor even living happily.

Some of us on here sussed that out long ago.

Besides: some on here clearly aren't aware of her autobiography written not too long ago in which she revealed she was knocking about previously when she WAS in the throes of marriage.

Just had that delivered today from Amazon, and it only cost 54p :joker:I'll get back to you once I've read it. :hugesmile:

[Pyramid*]

Just had that delivered today from Amazon, and it only cost 54p :joker:I'll get back to you once I've read it. :hugesmile:

You paid 50p too much! lol.

Only kidding.

Enjoy it - it will be interesting to see what you think - but bearing in mind, it is 'bias' given that it is 'penned' by Denise herself so to speak.

[Jake.]

Quite. And let's be honest here: she certainly went out of her way on CBB to give over the impression that she was a happily married woman, in love with her wonderful husband etc. She certainly went to great lengths to hide the fact that she was in fact, not happily married - nor even living happily.

Some of us on here sussed that out long ago.

Besides: some on here clearly aren't aware of her autobiography written not too long ago in which she revealed she was knocking about previously when she WAS in the throes of marriage.

I see you have yet to mention that Tim cheated... do two wrongs make a right?

[Pyramid*]

I see you have yet to mention that Tim cheated... do two wrongs make a right?

I don't recall Tim being on CBB and making out to housemates and the viewing public that he was in a very happy marriage, had a wonderful woman at home etec, - did he make an appearance and play act and lie his way through CBB?

Can't recall seeing the clips of Tim on Loose Women either telling all....I must have missed those bits.

[Jack_]

You're boring the tits off me Jack.

Aw, now you're resorting to another one of your wonderful tricks...baiting. Because you've been proven wrong and now you have no possible way of responding to claims that you bypass arguments...you have to...bypass arguments. Sweet, beautiful irony.

You're not really 'bored'...you're just...stuck :pat:

[Pyramid*]

Aw, now you're resorting to another one of your wonderful tricks...baiting. Because you've been proven wrong and now you have no possible way of responding to claims that you bypass arguments...you have to...bypass arguments. Sweet, beautiful irony.

You're not really 'bored'...you're just...stuck :pat:
No Jack. Saying I am finding your posts boring - is factual and subjective. Not baiting.

[Jack_]

No Jack. Saying I am finding your posts boring - is factual and subjective. Not baiting.

No Pyramid, it's more avoidance techniques and inadvertent baiting.

You're only 'bored' because you have no way of responding and denying my (and others) claims. You are fully aware of how you conduct yourself in arguments - it's only once you've been called out on it that you mysteriously shut up shop and claim you are either 'bored' or once again 'entitled to an opinion'.

[Kizzy]

There comes a point when its all been said, its annoying and exausing when others cant/wont see your point of view the gracious thing to do is accept it (then swear at the cat)

[Pyramid*]

There comes a point when its all been said, its annoying and exausing when others cant/wont see your point of view the gracious thing to do is accept it (then swear at the cat)


LOL.

I'm gracious enough to accept that Jack's opinion will never meet mine especially when it's been done to death. I don't have to ram my views down his throat to make me feel better. I know I'm right. :D

My cat is safe. Always.

[Kizzy]

sweet ;)

[Jack_]

LOL.

I'm gracious

:laugh2:

I know I'm right. :D

You wish you were right you mean. Except the problem is, when you can't justify your points, you aren't right. You're wrong.

Sorry to break to you though. Oh wait...I'm not :joker:

[Pyramid*]

sweet ;)

As in chocolate.....oh....you've just reminded me... I have a Boost and a Crunchie to nibble on.

Boost possibly being remotely connected to the thread - given that Denise was giving it big licks and big acting on Loose Women to Boost her 'poor woe is me' public image.

Gawd: talk about getting a thread right back on track again. Damn I'm good!!

tee hee.... :D

[Incensed]

As in chocolate.....oh....you've just reminded me... I have a Boost and a Crunchie to nibble on.

Boost possibly being remotely connected to the thread - given that Denise was giving it big licks and big acting on Loose Women to Boost her 'poor woe is me' public image.

Gawd: talk about getting a thread right back on track again. Damn I'm good!!

tee hee.... :D

Seeing as you are the one to take it off topic and then bring it back and then claim you're good for doing so??!!! My God!! :joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

well i for one agree with her, and cant see anyone rushing to back your point of view on this topic. Are we both wrong?

[Pyramid*]

Seeing as you are the one to take it off topic and then bring it back and then claim you're good for doing so??!!! My God!! :joker::joker:

I've been on topic all along. Because I disagree with Jack doesn't mean I was off topic. So there you go !

boom boom... topic..... boost.... chocolate.... denise (full of the brown stuff)

[Incensed]

I've been on topic all along. Because I disagree with Jack doesn't mean I was off topic. So there you go !

boom boom... topic..... boost.... chocolate.... denise (full of the brown stuff)

Ok Pyra, I'm not even going there! It's becoming too predictable now. Methinks Jack is right!

[Jake.]

I don't recall Tim being on CBB and making out to housemates and the viewing public that he was in a very happy marriage, had a wonderful woman at home etec, - did he make an appearance and play act and lie his way through CBB?

Can't recall seeing the clips of Tim on Loose Women either telling all....I must have missed those bits.

I don't recall most marriages breaking up an easy thing to deal with. Her 'lying' as you put it was her trying to cope with a situation which she was having a hard time dealing with... So what if she is a having a failed marriage... if she had confided in her mousemates that it was falling apart, you would have hated her just as much.

[Scotty07]

:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Ok Pyra, I'm not even going there! It's becoming too predictable now. Methinks Jack is right!

No surprises there I have to say.

such is the value of differing opinions, such is forum life. We don't all agre....just as well, as it would be a hell of a boring world.l

[Pyramid*]

I don't recall most marriages breaking up an easy thing to deal with. Her 'lying' as you put it was her trying to cope with a situation which she was having a hard time dealing with... So what if she is a having a failed marriage... if she had confided in her mousemates that it was falling apart, you would have hated her just as much.

Who said I hated her? Not me. Maybe stick to the facts.

I have no time for liars, cheats or drunken people who are masters of manipulation. That in my opinion is what she is. I don't have to hate her to have that opinion.

[Incensed]

No surprises there I have to say.

such is the value of differing opinions, such is forum life. We don't all agre....just as well, as it would be a hell of a boring world.l


Couldn't give a monkeys if you're surprised or not tbh.

[Pyramid*]

Couldn't give a monkeys if you're surprised or not tbh.

Awwwhhh........ that's a shame.

[Jake.]

Who said I hated her? Not me. Maybe stick to the facts.

I have no time for liars, cheats or drunken people who are masters of manipulation. That in my opinion is what she is. I don't have to hate her to have that opinion.

No time for her? Stop acting like an obsessed stalker on a mission to kill, and I might believe you. Because having 'no time' for someone usually means blocking the person completly.

[Pyramid*]

No time for her? Stop acting like an abossed stalker on a mission to kill, and I might believe you. Because having 'no time' for someone usually means blocking the person completly.

Deary me..... talk about overdramatics.

[Incensed]

Awwwhhh........ that's a shame.

Go fish somewhere else, cos this girl ain't biting. :idc:

[Pyramid*]

Go fish somewhere else, cos this girl ain't biting. :idc:

It's a shame that you are taking such an attitude, giving that you were the one who came thumping into the thread accusing me of taking it off topic when I didn't : when the truth lay more that I simply wasn't going to continue in circles - and you and Jack didn't quite like that.

[Kizzy]

this is getting very adolecent...i dont like denise and think her behaviour in and out of the house is deplorable! that is all i have to say on the matter so everyone can just shurrup ;)

[Incensed]

It's a shame that you are taking such an attitude, giving that you were the one who came thumping into the thread accusing me of taking it off topic when I didn't : when the truth lay more that I simply wasn't going to continue in circles - and you and Jack didn't quite like that.

:sleep:

[Pyramid*]

this is getting very adolecent...i dont like denise and think her behaviour in and out of the house is deplorable! that is all i have to say on the matter so everyone can just shurrup ;)

I'll agree on all counts!! :D

[Jake.]

Deary me..... talk about overdramatics.

Bit like a few of your posts then ;). Saying you have no time for drunken people, yet not taking into account that she has suffered with depression and alcholism. Bit of a difference between a drunk and an alcholic, don't you think. And you say you have no time for cheats, yet her husband commited adultry and I haven't seen any hate-posts directed at him from yourself.

[Pyramid*]

Bit like a few of your posts then ;). Saying you have no time for drunken people, yet not taking into account that she has suffered with depression and alcholism. Bit of a difference between a drunk and an alcholic, don't you think. And you say you have no time for cheats, yet her husband commited adultry and I haven't seen any hate-posts directed at him from yourself.

Not at all. I'm not stalking the woman as you suggested, I happen to be on a forum that is called This Is Big Brother, discussing a person who was on (oddly enough) Big Brother.

I am indeed taking into account her 'demons'... and note that despite her long history of depression and alcoholism - she still refuses to abstain from binge drinking, which in turn does not help the depression. No one forces her to get plastered and behave like a scutter. She manages to make that choice all on her own.

I'm discussing Denise because SHE was on CBB - not her husband. And this is in the CBB section which discusses housemates predominately.

[fruit_cake]

I'm not a fan of Denise in particular, but the abuse hurled at her gets ridiculous, It almost makes me like her tbh.

[Jake.]

Not at all. I'm not stalking the woman as you suggested, I happen to be on a forum that is called This Is Big Brother, discussing a person who was on (oddly enough) Big Brother.

I am indeed taking into account her 'demons'... and note that despite her long history of depression and alcoholism - she still refuses to abstain from binge drinking, which in turn does not help the depression. No one forces her to get plastered and behave like a scutter. She manages to make that choice all on her own.

I'm discussing Denise because SHE was on CBB - not her husband. And this is in the CBB section which discusses housemates predominately.

If alcoholics stayed away from binge drinking, then they wouldn't be alcoholics. And discuss her, that's fine. I just think that sometimes comments made are far too over-board.

[Pyramid*]

I'm not a fan of Denise in particular, but the abuse hurled at her gets ridiculous, It almost makes me like her tbh.

I agree that having it hurled at her directly and personally via her own Twitter or other personal webpages is wholly unacceptable and to be honest, very distrubing.

Discussing her however on a forum, is not. It's putting over an opinion on her - it is not hurling abuse AT her.

[Pyramid*]

If alcoholics stayed away from binge drinking, then they wouldn't be alcoholics. And discuss her, that's fine. I just think that sometimes comments made are far too over-board.

No they would not, but she should not pretend that she is not emotionally disturbed when she clearly is: and clearly has very little control over her life: to the point that she lies and manipulates. That is my view on her.

Yes, I will discuss her without your permission, thus clearly it is fine for me to do so if I wish.

You are entitled to your opinion on what you personally feel may be over-board. As others are, to the contrary.

[fruit_cake]

I often wonder if those that hurl the abuse would do it to her face tbh

[lostalex]

Can't we all just kill each other?

http://unseenmagazine.com/blog/images/rickymaynard/7.jpg

[Pyramid*]

I often wonder if those that hurl the abuse would do it to her face tbh

You should perhaps address that question to those on Twitter who are hurling the abuse at her, if you have Twitter.

[Jake.]

No they would not, but she should not pretend that she is not emotionally disturbed when she clearly is: and clearly has very little control over her life: to the point that she lies and manipulates. That is my view on her.

Yes, I will discuss her without your permission, thus clearly it is fine for me to do so if I wish.

You are entitled to your opinion on what you personally feel may be over-board. As others are, to the contrary.

Please don't try and make out I have/haven't given you permission to talk about Denise. Read my post again if you have to, there is no need to make an issue about something whoch isn't needed. And if she is hiding from her 'true' self, why would that be a bad thing for you. If what you say is right, maybe it's because she doesn't want to face up to what she really is. It isn't called lying, its called convincing yourself. Maby do it on a day-to-day basis. Now, whilst this rant has been fun, Im off to bed as I am knackered out :D

[Pyramid*]

Please don't try and make out I have/haven't given you permission to talk about Denise. Read my post again if you have to, there is no need to make an issue about something whoch isn't needed. And if she is hiding from her 'true' self, why would that be a bad thing for you. If what you say is right, maybe it's because she doesn't want to face up to what she really is. It isn't called lying, its called convincing yourself. Maby do it on a day-to-day basis. Now, whilst this rant has been fun, Im off to bed as I am knackered out :D

Did I say it was a bad thing for me? Nope.

Sorry to hear that your rant as you refer to it as, has knackered you out. Sleep well. :xyxwave:

[fruit_cake]

You should perhaps address that question to those on Twitter who are hurling the abuse at her, if you have Twitter.

I wasn't really looking for a direct answer, hence the use of the phrase 'I wonder'.

[Jake.]

Did I say it was a bad thing for me? Nope.

Sorry to hear that your rant as you refer to it as, has knackered you out. Sleep well. :xyxwave:

Nah its not the rant, just a rather long day :D

[Pyramid*]

I wasn't really looking for a direct answer, hence the use of the phrase 'I wonder'.

I don't think I suggested you were seeking a direct answer, hence the use of my words, ''You should perhaps".

Merely a suggestion in response to your own comment, and effort at ongoing and open dialogue, which is the premise of a forum.

[fruit_cake]

I don't think I suggested you were seeking a direct answer, hence the use of my words, ''You should perhaps".

Merely a suggestion in response to your own comment, and effort at ongoing and open dialogue, which is the premise of a forum.

well there you go

[Jack_]

Ok Pyra, I'm not even going there! It's becoming too predictable now. Methinks Jack is right!

Thank you...someone with some sense :)

when the truth lay more that I simply wasn't going to continue in circles - and you and Jack didn't quite like that.

Or the real truth - that you had no way of justifying your points and had essentially been proven wrong. And so you gave up.

[RodHull]

Doesn't explain why her boys never showed up though (they were probably hiding at home in shame)

Would you have showed up if your mum kept getting drunk and wapping out her boobs on national TV at every given opportunity!

:hugesmile:

I really can't believe you've just said that! I suppose it would be ok if the man was older than the woman and he learned to accept the ageing process?

I'm not a Denise fan, but it seems as if it's ok for an older man to sleep with a younger woman, but not the other way round?

I dont believe he said that at all? It would be just as distastful and pathetic if a bloke was doing it. Case in point - Peter Stringfellow...

Maybe she didn't fancy mentioning that her marriage had broken apart, because she didnt want 3 million people knowing about something which she herself cannot deal with?

1) Theres not mentioning something, then there is outright lieing about it. She could have easily steered conversations away from the subject, but she sought to bring up her happy marriage at every opportunity. She knew perfectly well the public would hate her if they found out.

2) If what you say is true, pray tell why she has now decided to tell her story in lurid detail to the national press?

The woman is a joke and people who voted for her are even worse imo. If be utterly ashamed if Id been taken in by that old drunken hag.

[Kizzy]

and on that note i can sleep soundly in my bed, safe in the knowledge that there are other sane persons in the world.

[Jake.]

Would you have showed up if your mum kept getting drunk and wapping out her boobs on national TV at every given opportunity!

:hugesmile:



I dont believe he said that at all? It would be just as distastful and pathetic if a bloke was doing it. Case in point - Peter Stringfellow...



1) Theres not mentioning something, then there is outright lieing about it. She could have easily steered conversations away from the subject, but she sought to bring up her happy marriage at every opportunity. She knew perfectly well the public would hate her if they found out.

2) If what you say is true, pray tell why she has now decided to tell her story in lurid detail to the national press?

The woman is a joke and people who voted for her are even worse imo. If be utterly ashamed if Id been taken in by that old drunken hag.

To answer number 2, maybe it was to stop the bullsh*t claims that she was having an affair?

[lostalex]

i think i speak for the entire forum when i say STF.U^. serious;y though,

Denise is a p[sycho alchoholic. end of.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Would you have showed up if your mum kept getting drunk and wapping out her boobs on national TV at every given opportunity!

:hugesmile:


How do you know they weren't there? Just because they weren't in the interview audience, doesn't mean they weren't there.
2) If what you say is true, pray tell why she has now decided to tell her story in lurid detail to the national press?
Because she might have got over it and would like to make something good (money) from a bad situation?

The woman is a joke and people who voted for her are even worse imo. If be utterly ashamed if Id been taken in by that old drunken hag.
And that's just a bit offensive to people who voted for Denise. Offensive and very bitter sounding.

.....

[Cy Kosis]

She was having an affair ,since April 2011,another affair with another man in her pursuit of recreational sex.

[Pyramid*]

She was having an affair ,since April 2011,another affair with another man in her pursuit of recreational sex.

Oh....... she was having affairs long before 2011. Here's an article dated back to May 2010. ;)

Once a scutter.....always a scutter.


TV STAR Denise Welch enjoyed passionate trysts with her lover despite insisting their secret affair was over, we can reveal today.

The Loose Women presenter - who last week claimed in her new autobiography that her relationship with toyboy Steve Murray ended five years ago - met up with him again two months ago behind her husband's back.

We can reveal that ex-Coronation Street star Denise, 51, arranged to meet Thailand-based Steve while on holiday in Bangkok with her actor husband Tim Healy.

She offered to pay for Steve, 41, to book a hotel room near hers before telling Tim, 58, that she was going for a massage while he played golf.
Steve, a former BBC studio carpenter, said: "It felt so good to be back with her again and she told me she loved being with me.
"All our old feelings for each other came rushing back. But funnily enough, she doesn't mention that in her book."

In the new book, Pulling Myself Together, mum-of-two Denise boasts how she rebuilt her marriage after Auf Wiedersehen Pet star Tim discovered her five-month affair with Steve in 2005

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/2010/05/02/loose-women-presenter-denise-welch-cheats-on-husband-again-86908-22227895/

[Saph]

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL! :amazed:

[Me. I Am Salman]

LOOOOL Saph!!

[Pyramid*]

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL! :amazed:


LOL.

By any stretch of the imagination: no 53 year old can EVER be called a girl. :joker:

she shouts about it alright: if it's not in books, she's on telly pretending she's all distraught. :spin:

[Jack_]

Who cares if shes had affair's, YOU SHAG IT AND SHOUT IT DENISE GIRL! :amazed:

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

[Jake.]

i think i speak for the entire forum when i say STF.U^. serious;y though,

Denise is a p[sycho alchoholic. end of.

Im not stupid and I understand text speech... No, I won't ****.

[Pyramid*]

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

[Pyramid*]

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...


In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others...... ;)

[Jack_]

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

:joker:

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.

In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others...... ;)

And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

[Jake.]

:joker:

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

The more you post, the more I agree with you.

[Pyramid*]

:joker:

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either.

You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye. :D

[Wayne-Kerr]

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye. :D
Well that's not true now is it...

[Pyramid*]

Well that's not true now is it...

It's VERY true. :D

[Jack_]

The more you post, the more I agree with you.

Thank you...someone with some open-minded sense at last :)

Now...where do I start?

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

But the grounds for which you have taken a dislike to her are quite frankly quite absurd. So she gets her tits out, and so you hate her?

There's murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all sorts out in the real world, but your dislike lies with a celebrity who chooses to flash her tits a bit and perhaps sleep around?

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

But essentially, your view is that getting your tits out is oh such an awful crime. You must be hung, drawn and quartered if you are to engage in such awful, repugnant behaviour. How dare someone else be proud of their own body, and have a laugh by exposing it in public, showing they are maybe not as prudish, reserved and uptight as some others. How dare they. Have them executed immediately.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye. :D

By brought up - I mean by how everyone is brought up. The large majority of us are brought up with certain norms and values instilled within us, such as how to conduct yourself at the dinner table, all the way through to...do you get your tits out in public. You learn these when growing up as part of a family, or during education and then the working world. These beliefs are constantly pushed into us all, but that doesn't mean we should just accept them and never question them, to do that would just be utterly ignorant.

Have you ever questioned or thought about why it's such a bad thing if someone wants to get their tits out in public for a laugh? Or sleep around when single? Like...do it now. Just explain to me what exactly is so wrong with it, and who invented this unwritten rule that it is totally forbidden and anyone so deviant enough to ignore it has committed the crime of the century? Please just try and explain it to me - because when you really think about things like this, you realise that actually, there isn't that much of a problem with it after all...and there are far worse things going on in the world. You just believe there's a problem because that's how you have lived, just as everyone else, amongst these norms, values and social conduct which have been essentially drilled into us throughout our entire lives.

It's VERY true. :D

:joker:

You do come out with some classics.

[Pyramid*]

Thank you...someone with some open-minded sense at last :)

Now...where do I start?



But the grounds for which you have taken a dislike to her are quite frankly quite absurd. So she gets her tits out, and so you hate her?

There's murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all sorts out in the real world, but your dislike lies with a celebrity who chooses to flash her tits a bit and perhaps sleep around?



But essentially, your view is that getting your tits out is oh such an awful crime. You must be hung, drawn and quartered if you are to engage in such awful, repugnant behaviour. How dare someone else be proud of their own body, and have a laugh by exposing it in public, showing they are maybe not as prudish, reserved and uptight as some others. How dare they. Have them executed immediately.



By brought up - I mean by how everyone is brought up. The large majority of us are brought up with certain norms and values instilled within us, such as how to conduct yourself at the dinner table, all the way through to...do you get your tits out in public. You learn these when growing up as part of a family, or during education and then the working world. These beliefs are constantly pushed into us all, but that doesn't mean we should just accept them and never question them, to do that would just be utterly ignorant.

Have you ever questioned or thought about why it's such a bad thing if someone wants to get their tits out in public for a laugh? Or sleep around when single? Like...do it now. Just explain to me what exactly is so wrong with it, and who invented this unwritten rule that it is totally forbidden and anyone so deviant enough to ignore it has committed the crime of the century? Please just try and explain it to me - because when you really think about things like this, you realise that actually, there isn't that much of a problem with it after all...and there are far worse things going on in the world. You just believe there's a problem because that's how you have lived, just as everyone else, amongst these norms, values and social conduct which have been essentially drilled into us throughout our entire lives.



:joker:

You do come out with some classics.

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

[Jake.]

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Thought you didn't insult other members?

[Wayne-Kerr]

Thought you didn't insult other members?

Don't confuse her.

[Pyramid*]

Thought you didn't insult other members?

That's hardly an insult. My morale compass is higher - that's my opinion, and it's my view that I am very thankful that having that opinion of comparison.

do you have some problem with that?

[Pyramid*]

Don't confuse her.

Any chance of sticking to the topic you lot... I know it's hard or don't you have anything else to say on the subject of Denise being a scutter?

[Jake.]

That's hardly an insult. My morale compass is higher - that's my opinion, and it's my view that I am very thankful that having that opinion of comparison.

do you have some problem with that?

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

[Jack_]

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that.

I'd love it if you could refer me to the part where I point blank stated that you needed my permission. Thanks.

Dislike anyone you like, I'm just suggesting that perhaps taking a dislike to some of the world's nastiest people might be a better idea for everyone, you know...like those murderers, rapists and pedophiles that I mentioned in my last post. But of course, you are entitled to take a dislike to a celebrity that strangely enough, you don't actually know...and so commenting on them and their lives would seem a bit, well...misinformed. But go ahead, yes, you are entitled to do that. It just looks a bit silly, that's all.

I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'.

That's one of the main reasons though, let's be honest. Amongst the others were...she sleeps around...and lives her life perhaps in the public eye.

You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

:joker:

I can't take you seriously. I'm sorry but the irony in this post of yours is just incredible. And the fact that you're criticising, or at least attempting to criticise others for 'avoiding' and 'selective reading' is quite frankly just hilarious. You are probably the only person on this entire forum that is guilty of those kind of techniques, and it's plain for all to see in this thread and others.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Oh my... :joker:

So not only have you managed to yet again completely ignore and avoid the point I made, for what must be the fifth or sixth time in this thread, but you have also made an extremely misinformed, laughable statement about my morals. You're incredible...in a bad way of course.

I suppose from your complete refusal to attempt to answer the question that I've now presented you with numerous times in this thread, I can conclude that you are absolutely incapable of answering it, yes? Because that's what it seems like to me. Not once have you even addressed that particular issue that I raised with you. Not once. You didn't mention it, answer it or anything...it speaks volumes really. I guess that at last proves my point - that just because it's something you've become accustomed to (as have most of us), it doesn't make it right. You've realised that, you just won't admit it...as usual.

As for my morals - they're perfectly fine thank you. I value things like equality, human rights and civilised behaviour (no violence etc) amongst many other important worldwide issues, not morals like whether someone should get their tits out or not - as quite obviously they're not at all important in comparison to the ones that I have listed. I'm sure that to most people, that is quite evident.

[Jack_]

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

It's just another tired old cliche from Pyramid's Bypassing Bible.

Her 'right to an opinion', 'prerogative' and that red text of hers are just many of the ways in which she tries and fails to convincingly deflect arguments.

[Pyramid*]

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

Really? Did I. for the life of me, I cannot see where I have said ''This is a fact''. It's my opinion. If you have a problem with that, then I'm afraid it is your problem. Not mine.

I'd love it if you could refer me to the part where I point blank stated that you needed my permission. Thanks.

Dislike anyone you like, I'm just suggesting that perhaps taking a dislike to some of the world's nastiest people might be a better idea for everyone, you know...like those murderers, rapists and pedophiles that I mentioned in my last post. But of course, you are entitled to take a dislike to a celebrity that strangely enough, you don't actually know...and so commenting on them and their lives would seem a bit, well...misinformed. But go ahead, yes, you are entitled to do that. It just looks a bit silly, that's all.



That's one of the main reasons though, let's be honest. Amongst the others were...she sleeps around...and lives her life perhaps in the public eye.



:joker:

I can't take you seriously. I'm sorry but the irony in this post of yours is just incredible. And the fact that you're criticising, or at least attempting to criticise others for 'avoiding' and 'selective reading' is quite frankly just hilarious. You are probably the only person on this entire forum that is guilty of those kind of techniques, and it's plain for all to see in this thread and others.



Oh my... :joker:

So not only have you managed to yet again completely ignore and avoid the point I made, for what must be the fifth or sixth time in this thread, but you have also made an extremely misinformed, laughable statement about my morals. You're incredible...in a bad way of course.

I suppose from your complete refusal to attempt to answer the question that I've now presented you with numerous times in this thread, I can conclude that you are absolutely incapable of answering it, yes? Because that's what it seems like to me. Not once have you even addressed that particular issue that I raised with you. Not once. You didn't mention it, answer it or anything...it speaks volumes really. I guess that at last proves my point - that just because it's something you've become accustomed to (as have most of us), it doesn't make it right. You've realised that, you just won't admit it...as usual.

As for my morals - they're perfectly fine thank you. I value things like equality, human rights and civilised behaviour (no violence etc) amongst many other important worldwide issues, not morals like whether someone should get their tits out or not - as quite obviously they're not at all important in comparison to the ones that I have listed. I'm sure that to most people, that is quite evident.

I'll say it again since you aren't quite catching on. Go READ my previous posts. It's not all about getting her tits out, however that's something that you simply are not willing to accept though Jack. You are not prepared to actually read what others write, preferring instead to shabbily misquote me.

Possibly too busy thinking about your next post, full of many words, unfortunately, repeating yourself time and time again and in reality, bringing nothing new to the discussion.

[Jake.]

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Read it again and think about whether that could come off as rude. Doesn't look like an opinion to me...

[Pyramid*]

Read it again and think about whether that could come off as rude. Doesn't look like an opinion to me...

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

[Wayne-Kerr]

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

You said it was "clearly" higher. So if it's actually that clear, it would be a fact.

[Pyramid*]

You said it was "clearly" higher. So if it's actually that clear, it would be a fact.

In my opinion. Yes.

[Incensed]

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours,

You are quite clearly stating a fact there!

[Incensed]

In my opinion. Yes.

So you admit it's a fact?? :joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

You are quite clearly stating a fact there!

I'm stating my opinion on the comparison. That's not factual. It's subjective.

apart from anything else: once again I see you jump in on the thread to discuss a forum member rather than the topic. Seems to be a recurring theme.

[Jake.]

God, now you are splitting hairs :joker:

[Pyramid*]

So you admit it's a fact?? :joker::joker:

Nope. I'm admitting it is my opinion.

Can't you actually discuss the topic - any of the 3 of you or is that something none of you are able to do? I'd not have thought it was that difficult to do.

[Incensed]

I'm stating my opinion on the comparison. That's not factual. It's subjective.

apart from anything else: once again I see you jump in on the thread to discuss a forum member rather than the topic. Seems to be a recurring theme.

Oh, Gosh, I'm sorry Pyramid! Do I need to ask permission from you if it's ok if I post in a thread on a forum?

[Jake.]

Nope. I'm admitting it is my opinion.

Can't you actually discuss the topic - any of the 3 of you or is that something none of you are able to do? I'd not have thought it was that difficult to do.

You have neither posted on topic for quite a while, so you are hardly one to talk.

[Pyramid*]

Oh, Gosh, I'm sorry Pyramid! Do I need to ask permission from you if it's ok if I post in a thread on a forum?

Now where did I say you couldn't post. I did however ask if you were unable to actually stick to the topic of the thread rather than entering it once again with no other purpose than to attack and have a go at another forum member - which is precisely what you have done and are doing.

[Pyramid*]

You have neither posted on topic for quite a while, so you are hardly one to talk.

I have in fact referred several of you to the fact that you are all continuing to discuss a forum member rather than discuss the topic. It's actually becoming baiting now.

[Jake.]

Now where did I say you couldn't post. I did however ask if you were unable to actually stick to the topic of the thread rather than entering it once again with no other purpose than to attack and have a go at another forum member - which is precisely what you have done and are doing.

Yet you think its absoloutly fine to say you have a higher morale than someone else, just because you have a difference of opinion? Stop playing the victim, you give as good as you get.

[Jack_]

I'll say it again since you aren't quite catching on. Go READ my previous posts. It's not all about getting her tits out, however that's something that you simply are not willing to accept though Jack. You are not prepared to actually read what others write, preferring instead to shabbily misquote me.

Practice what you preach dear. You're the one that constantly avoids valid points, instead reverting to your old cliches. You've even, amazingly, done it again in this post. You ironically ignored the point I made about you ignoring my question that I posed to you numerous times in this thread. Irony is beautiful, and from you...it's incredible.

Possibly too busy thinking about your next post, full of many words, unfortunately, repeating yourself time and time again and in reality, bringing nothing new to the discussion.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

Please. Stop it.

'Repeating yourself'? 'Bringing nothing new' Are you serious? Are you actually...like...wow. I have no words.

You never cease to amaze me with the amount of hypocrisy and irony that your posts are riddled with :joker:

So you admit it's a fact?? :joker::joker:

:laugh3:

Well spotted.

[Incensed]

Now where did I say you couldn't post. I did however ask if you were unable to actually stick to the topic of the thread rather than entering it once again with no other purpose than to attack and have a go at another forum member - which is precisely what you have done and are doing.

I don't think I have 'attacked' you in any way, I merely gave 'My opinion'!

[Pyramid*]

Yet you think its absoloutly fine to say you have a higher morale than someone else, just because you have a difference of opinion? Stop playing the victim, you give as good as you get.

I don't have to play victim: not when the three of you are intent on not discussing the thread topic, but prefer to discuss me and argue over whether what I write is considered fact or opinion.

Practice what you preach dear. You're the one that constantly avoids valid points, instead reverting to your old cliches. You've even, amazingly, done it again in this post. You ironically ignored the point I made about you ignoring my question that I posed to you numerous times in this thread. Irony is beautiful, and from you...it's incredible.



:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

Please. Stop it.

'Repeating yourself'? 'Bringing nothing new' Are you serious? Are you actually...like...wow. I have no words.

You never cease to amaze me with the amount of hypocrisy and irony that your posts are riddled with :joker:



:laugh3:

Well spotted.

I'll add patronsing to your list shall I.

I don't think I have 'attacked' you in any way, I merely gave 'My opinion'!

for the life of me , I cannot see what you've actually contributed in respect of the thread subject Incensed over the past few pages.

[Wayne-Kerr]

I'll add patronsing to your list shall I.

This is quite patronising...

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye. :D

[Pyramid*]

This is quite patronising...

Nope... go read the post that of JACK's that I quoted when I used those words. . HE said he had a problem with..... I quoted his very own words.


The latter was factual.... ie: this part. Not patronisng. but factual. Have a good old long hard think about what it means.....

Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye

Better luck next time Wayne-Kerr.

[Saph]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz06rhyMVH1r9nw38o1_500.jpg

yay I found a thread where this pic can go :D

[Incensed]

for the life of me , I cannot see what you've actually contributed in respect of the thread subject Incensed over the past few pages.

Really? I can't see what you have either! C'est la vie!!

[Jack_]

I don't have to play victim

L...O...L

I'll add patronsing to your list shall I.

Please quit the hypocrisy.

You can add whatever you wish to my 'list'. Fact is, my list will be a lot shorter than yours, which has things like deflection and avoidance, hypocrisy, irony, pedantry, inability to answer questions and and baiting, amongst many other attributes included on it.

I do wonder Pyramid if there will ever be a day where you just answer a question that is given to you (in particular the one I must have presented you with so many times in this thread now), instead of indiscreetly attempting to avoid doing so because you're fully aware that you can't. It's really not all that difficult, and it'd solve a lot of problems. If you can't answer the question...admit it. Deflection doesn't solve anything.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Nope... go read the post that of JACK's that I quoted when I used those words. . HE said he had a problem with..... I quoted his very own words.


The latter was factual.... ie: this part. Not patronisng. but factual. Have a good old long hard think about what it means.....

Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye

Better luck next time Wayne-Kerr.

Factual maybe, but when used in an attempt to patronise someone, it becomes factual and patronising.

[threedoggies]

Nope... go read the post that of JACK's that I quoted when I used those words. . HE said he had a problem with..... I quoted his very own words.


The latter was factual.... ie: this part. Not patronisng. but factual. Have a good old long hard think about what it means.....

Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye

Better luck next time Wayne-Kerr.

So Wayne-Kerr is continuing his argumentative ways in here since he has been banned on DS:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Factual maybe, but when used in an attempt to patronise someone, it becomes factual and patronising.

Perhaps in your mind. Not in mine. Funny how you STILL continue to refuse to discuss the topic of the thread though eh. :joker:

[Pyramid*]

L...O...L



Please quit the hypocrisy.

You can add whatever you wish to my 'list'. Fact is, my list will be a lot shorter than yours, which has things like deflection and avoidance, hypocrisy, irony, pedantry, inability to answer questions and and baiting, amongst many other attributes included on it.

I do wonder Pyramid if there will ever be a day where you just answer a question that is given to you (in particular the one I must have presented you with so many times in this thread now), instead of indiscreetly attempting to avoid doing so because you're fully aware that you can't. It's really not all that difficult, and it'd solve a lot of problems. If you can't answer the question...admit it. Deflection doesn't solve anything.

I do wonder if the day will come when you keep to the topic of the thread....... rather than baiting other members. I shan't hold my breathe, but hey: one lives in hope. I'm a positive person like that.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Perhaps in your mind. Not in mine. Funny how you STILL continue to refuse to discuss the topic of the thread though eh. :joker:

That's fine, be patronising, but as long as you're not actually being patronising in your own mind, it's fine. Carry on!

And I haven't refused, I've discussed it twice already. But you're obviously of a fixed mind set, so I don't see the point in re-discussing.

[Wayne-Kerr]

So Wayne-Kerr is continuing his argumentative ways in here since he has been banned on DS:joker:

I wasn't banned, I asked to have my account banned permenantly (so I was banned, but not in that way ;))

[Jack_]

I do wonder if the day will come when you keep to the topic of the thread....... rather than baiting other members. I shan't hold my breathe, but hey: one lives in hope. I'm a positive person like that.

Because asking you a simple question several times and then pointing out the instances where you don't answer it (i.e. every single time) isn't keeping on topic...of course not.

Stop clutching at straws. I presented you with an argument, you didn't answer. That happened numerous times and each outcome was the same. And you still haven't answered the question, thus proving that you are incapable of answering it, and as such, any point you had has now been rendered void.

I guess I win. Again. :xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

Because asking you a simple question several times and then pointing out the instances where you don't answer it (i.e. every single time) isn't keeping on topic...of course not.

Stop clutching at straws. I presented you with an argument, you didn't answer. That happened numerous times and each outcome was the same. And you still haven't answered the question, thus proving that you are incapable of answering it, and as such, any point you had has now been rendered void.

I guess I win. Again. :xyxwave:

Utter tosh. All you do is refuse to accept that others have a view of Denise that doesn't match yours, and when you are redirected to previous posts that provide reasons why - you refuse to accept that then offer up only insults in the main as your 'argument'.

The only thing you have proven is that you like typing. A lot.

[tonyface]

I think a lot of people are getting into arguments on this thread for no reason.

I thought the real point of the thread was to point out that Denise has seperated from TH.

To me it just proves what a manipulative and deceitful person she is, if you remember the argument, she brought Nicola into the whole thing, by baiting her with the getting em out for living jibe, and then getting all tearful about not getting her letter, when all the time she had been shacking up with someone else, apparently with TH's knowledge.

And then of course there was the Tim Healey PIES, what a vote winner.

What a liar.............and she convinced so many.

Who ate all the Pious.....

[Jack_]

Utter tosh. All you do is refuse to accept that others have a view of Denise that doesn't match yours, and when you are redirected to previous posts that provide reasons why - you refuse to accept that then offer up only insults in the main as your 'argument'.

The only thing you have proven is that you like typing. A lot.

No, I'm afraid that is 'utter tosh'. I asked you a question - for what must be now the seventh time in this thread; why is getting your tits out such a problem? Why is sleeping around when single such a problem? Why exactly?

That's what I asked you many, many times. And each time you completely ignored it, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that I'd asked it. The reason is...because you can't answer it. The answer to the question is there's nothing wrong with it in reality, the only reason you and other people believe there is is because that's the way in which you have lived - with the 'understanding' that that sort of behaviour is forbidden. But you don't seem to have questioned why...which is exactly why I asked you that question. Because when you question why, and who exactly invented this unwritten rule, you begin to realise that in reality, there actually is nothing wrong with it. And you know full well that's the case, hence why there's no possible way of you answering the question, so instead you chose to ignore it. Many times. It's called bypassing valid points, and I'll point it out again...you're a master at it.

The only thing that this entire thread has proven is that you like deflecting. A lot.

[arista]

I wasn't banned, I asked to have my account banned permenantly (so I was banned, but not in that way ;))


Spiffing

[Kizzy]

who ate all the pious! the best comment i have ever seen ever! :). There does seem to be a little tag-teaming going on here and i have to say its more than unfair... I respect pyramids view not just because i share it, it may be the way i was raised or the time and place i was raised or the experiences that shaped me into the person i am today. But one thing is certain, i can never and will never like the woman. This is based on everything i have read and seen, i can fully understand why others think differently and i do not think any less of them for their view or seek to change it.

[Angus]

who ate all the pious! the best comment i have ever seen ever! :). There does seem to be a little tag-teaming going on here and i have to say its more than unfair... I respect pyramids view not just because i share it, it may be the way i was raised or the time and place i was raised or the experiences that shaped me into the person i am today. But one thing is certain, i can never and will never like the woman. This is based on everything i have read and seen, i can fully understand why others think differently and i do not think any less of them for their view or seek to change it.

I agree. I don't see the point of marrying someone if you are not going to honour and respect your marriage vows. If you want to sleep around, remain single. If you have kids why distress and embarrass them? Pretty selfish IMO.

As to flashing your bits in public, irrespective of personal preferences expressed on this forum, there are laws in place to preserve public decency, and respect other people's sensibilities and cultural and religious observances. If some people don't like that, there are always desert islands, nudist colonies and of course their own homes they can disappear to where they can strip off as much as they like and not offend anyone.

[Suze]

I wasn't banned, I asked to have my account banned permenantly (so I was banned, but not in that way ;))

Not to go too much off topic and mention DS bans at all, but just to state, an account is not asked by a member there to have banned. I know, I was a member there since Ovtober 2002, and chose to have my account there deactivated, which they will do if asked and will delete your posts also if asked as far as I am aware, if a poster there has banned in their profile, it is simply that, because they have been banned, not asked to be banned, no other reason at all.

[Suze]

I have read through some posts, and have to agree with the couple of posters who see Mids as being ganged up on by a few, it is not nice and not clever imo, we should be able to debate this thread topic no matter what views we hold, and able to debate fairly reasonably also.

So on the subject of the topic, I would like to say, my opinion of Denise W, seems to have been right in my opinion, she took quite a few in with some of the best acting she has done to date, and no I am not referring to peeps on here but a lot of the viewing and voting public in general imho.

[Wayne-Kerr]

I agree. I don't see the point of marrying someone if you are not going to honour and respect your marriage vows. If you want to sleep around, remain single. If you have kids why distress and embarrass them? Pretty selfish IMO.

If you want an open-marriage, so what? It's their decision, not anyone else's. They obviously have a different take on marriage to your own, so it's hardly 'pretty selfish'.

[Kizzy]

Has it ever been documented as an open marriage, or is it speculation... It has also been admitted by both parties they have had 'affairs' this would not be an issue in an 'open marriage'. The definition of a marriage is one of monogamy for the majority, so you can understand if it seems odd to some?

[MTVN]

How can you be a fan of the great Jay McKray and then defend a beast like Denise, disappointing Wayne

[Pyramid*]

If you want an open-marriage, so what? It's their decision, not anyone else's. They obviously have a different take on marriage to your own, so it's hardly 'pretty selfish'.

The very point of an open marriage is that one/both parties are in agreement to one/each other having extra-marital affairs.

Given that Denise (more than once) has had to hide affairs, be secretive about them and that her husband found out about one - tells even the most blinded person that they did not have an open marriage.

Denise herself, in her very own words: in her book, says that 'they' managed to get their marriage back on track after her affair in 2005. Thus it was NOT an open marriage - as much as you would like to believe it was.

So yes, not only is she selfish, this married woman had so little respect for herself, as well as her husband (and young children) - and has been repeating such unfaithful and disloyal behaviour for years (and has continued) to the point that her married is now in tatters.

Has it ever been documented as an open marriage, or is it speculation... It has also been admitted by both parties they have had 'affairs' this would not be an issue in an 'open marriage'. The definition of a marriage is one of monogamy for the majority, so you can understand if it seems odd to some?


Yep, 100% Kizzy. After Denise began the illicit affairs - Tim strayed on the back of that - and Denise countinued again - and given my comments to Wayne Kerr, it's obvious that it was not an open marriage: otherwise there would be no need to hide the extramarital liaisons.......... which Denise repeated over the past 7 years or so. Even to the point of arranging secret trysts and paying for an hotel room for her lover - and her telling her husband (who was out golfing) that she was having a massage...... shame she didn't reveal at the time it was with the man she was shagging.

[tonyface]

Its hard for all the people who supported and voted for Denise to admit what gullible mugs they were.......

:conf::conf::nono: