Do you have a conscience?

[Vicky.]

Another thread made me think about this, and I seriously dont think I have. I did some awful things when I was younger (just one very tame example being stealing £100 from a friends mother. My friend got grounded for a month because her mum thought it was her...the mother had to get a loan to do the shopping that week, I never once felt bad) and the ONLY times I have felt bad about anything was when the punishment was on ME if I got caught. I have never ever felt guilty about anything that I got away with.

I dont (purposely) do bad things now..I like to think I'm old enough to know better, even though age isnt really an excuse. But even if I did go out of my way to hurt people or something, I seriously dont think I would even feel guilty, based on past experiences

Please tell me I'm not the only one who is like this D:

[Doogle]

I feel truly awful when having to tell a friend when I have a problem with them, and that's a really mild thing. So yeah I do, it's sort of annoying how I feel bad about such petty things like spending my Mum's money when I go to town. Or if I forget to save her a malteser or something :joker: /pathetic

[Saph]

I buy stuff from my mums Amazon/Ebay accounts all the time and only give her money if she finds the confirmation e-mails, and even then I only give her as little as I can get away with and don't really feel guilty. I can bitch and backstab my close friends and not feel bad either ..I don't know why they're even my friends because I don't really like them that much :laugh:

I think we sometimes get pressured into feeling guilty about stuff that morally, we should feel guilty about, but in reality we just don't :/

[Josy]

Yeah I do, not that it happens often but if something bad does happen and I know its been caused by me then I feel terrible about it.

[Ammi]

Yeah...to the extent that if something isn't my fault, I convince myself it is......I always apologise first...for everything...even if I've done nothing, I always assume I must of done something

[Jordan.]

Evil http://forums.beyondunreal.com/images/smilies/shakehead.gif

[ILoveTRW]

im pretty ****ing ruthless when it comes to most things, although i do know the difference between right and wrong.

[Bollo]

I used to be a bit like that until probably my late twenties, but then a few things happened in the last five years and i grew a conscience to the point where I am now the reverse. Now I even feel guilty if I tell a small white lie, so i try not to most of the time.

[Ninastar]

isn't it all about your Id Ego and Super Ego? and some people have more of an Id than others. So some think things through better and others just don't think about it at all

[Jessica.]

I have a selective conscience, if the person who I've done something wrong to means something to me then I regret it etc.. but if it's someone random then doesn't bother me really.

[Ammi]

isn't it all about your Id Ego and Super Ego? and some people have more of an Id than others. So some think things through better and others just don't think about it at all

I think the Superego guides our morals and consience and dictates our judgement of right and wrong

[Niall]

I have a really profound conscience I think. I get a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever I do something bad to someone and it won't go away unless I put it right. Idk.

[Smithy]

Yes and it's really ****ing irritating

[Kizzy]

I do, and i wish i didn't sometimes as it drives me insane. Watched a prog about serial killers and thier lack of remorse. remind me never to get on your bad side vicky :)

[Tom4784]

I used to, it tends to come and go now though. It's weird, lately I'm just not feeling anything.

[Ninastar]

I think the Superego guides our morals and consience and dictates our judgement of right and wrong

yeah and our id just wants pleasure

[Me. I Am Salman]

I borrowed some money from a 12 year old girl in 2010 when I was like 14, and ever since she keeps following me and asking me to pay her back, but I won't :laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i have a really good conscience and always have even though most of you wouldn't think so :hmph:

i remember once when i was like 8/9 and these kids around mine were picking on this girl and they were older and i kicked one of them and ran off im a hero

and vicky you sound like a complete evil bitch

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I feel truly awful when having to tell a friend when I have a problem with them, and that's a really mild thing. So yeah I do, it's sort of annoying how I feel bad about such petty things like spending my Mum's money when I go to town. Or if I forget to save her a malteser or something :joker: /pathetic

that is so cute

[Harry!]

-Bores you silly with my background Philosophy knowledge-

[Smithy]

:joker: :joker:

[arista]

Another thread made me think about this, and I seriously dont think I have. I did some awful things when I was younger (just one very tame example being stealing £100 from a friends mother. My friend got grounded for a month because her mum thought it was her...the mother had to get a loan to do the shopping that week, I never once felt bad) and the ONLY times I have felt bad about anything was when the punishment was on ME if I got caught. I have never ever felt guilty about anything that I got away with.

I dont (purposely) do bad things now..I like to think I'm old enough to know better, even though age isnt really an excuse. But even if I did go out of my way to hurt people or something, I seriously dont think I would even feel guilty, based on past experiences

Please tell me I'm not the only one who is like this D:


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[joeysteele]

I beieve I have a conscience, if I even think I have upset someone I feel really bad about it. However, in saying that though, I have a friend who is far too dependent on alcohol and is only 22, whenever I get the chance to,when I am where he lives, I look round to see is he has any alcohol around them in the house and if I find any, I empty it out. I never feel guilty about doing that though.
(I must add I and others are trying to help him see he has an alcohol problem too).

Gosh, reading that back now makes me feel a bit bad about doing that.

[Jords]

I do have a pretty big conscience tbh, its not always great.

[Niamh.]

I have a really profound conscience I think. I get a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever I do something bad to someone and it won't go away unless I put it right. Idk.

Same here, even if it's to do with someone I don't even like.

[Niamh.]

I do, and i wish i didn't sometimes as it drives me insane. Watched a prog about serial killers and thier lack of remorse. remind me never to get on your bad side vicky :)

:shocked:

-scared-

[Livia]

Yes, I have a conscience. Just not a very well developed one.

[Shaun]

I think humans are selfish enough to bend their ideas of conscience to suit their own wants and desires.

[Shasown]

I think humans are selfish enough to bend their ideas of conscience to suit their own wants and desires.

Very true but I dont think its selfishness with everyone. More a practicality to avoid spending the rest of your life regretting something.

My conscience is very selective, I sometimes feel guilty having upset someone relatively meaningless in my life, however i would have no hesitation or feel any guilt about killing someone given the right circumstances.

[Marsh.]

Wow, a few sociopaths on TiBB.

I'm scared.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i have a good moral compass :hmph:

[Niall]

Same here, even if it's to do with someone I don't even like.

Exactly. :laugh:

[Marc]

Wow Vicky... :idc: harsh.

I have too much of a conscience, it stops me from being a harsh bas**rd. Though one of my housemates is bugging me loads so I keep messing up the kitchen to wind her up (oh I'm so hardcore)

[Jords]

Same here, even if it's to do with someone I don't even like.

Same here. I cant stand to see anybody upset even if I hate them. I convince myself that deep down theyre not a 'bad' person. When really, they probably are.

[InOne]

Yes I do have a conscience. And most people on here do too. It's takes a lot to be totally cold and which is easily exaggerated on forums.

[GypsyGoth]

I do have a conscience, but I'm not compelled to help people who are suffering. So I guess my conscience only goes so far. Like I don't even feel a tad guilty for pirating stuff online, but I would be devastated if my actions lead to someone being hurt. However if something bad happens to someone who was awful to me in the past, I think serves them right. I guess if I really thought about it I might realise that the person is probably very different now to how they were then and could have changed loads, I don't know.

[Lee.]

Yeah I do... I feel bad for everybody and everything! I even feel guilty walking fast past old people who are slow. I cannot stand the thought of me being rotten to somebody even if they've been horrible to me.

I remember during the TiBB wars I was involved in, a member gave me **** and I was proper horrible to him.... for some reason I started wondering if they maybe had a hard time in real life or were maybe bullied in school and got my self all worried for them! Hahaha... I felt so bad that I pmd them and said "oh hi, do you get bullied at school?" And they replied "erm no... why?"

They probably thought I was :crazy: but I just felt bad about being horrible to him even though he had been really offensive to me.

In real life I can only think of one thing I have done where I have really hurt people, and I do hope to have the opportunity to at least explain myself and apologize to those involved.

[King Gizzard]

Probably too big a conscience...scared of doing most things in case there is a bad consequence. Bit of a goody two shoes

Never got one detention :s

Guess that's what you get being raised in a Christian household

[Jords]

Are you Christian yourself?

[King Gizzard]

I would say yes, not strict though

[MTVN]

Yeah I think we all do (even you Vicky) although I think we all have a different one, and like morality it's shaped by various things and experiences so no one act is universally "right" or "wrong"

Edit - also, I gave 50p to a homeless man tonight, must have one :hello:

[swinearefine]

I never feel bad about things I do, but mostly because I don't ever do mean things to people who don't deserve it. Honestly I can't remember ever feeling bad about doing anything since I broke my dad's scissors when I was like nine. I get into a lot of arguments with people on the daily and I say horrible things like "Your opinion doesn't matter because you're going to die of a strike in a bit" but if someone is being horrible to me I don't feel bad about it, even after the argument.

ETA: Actually I did feel really guilty about exploiting animals so a couple years ago I became vegan.

[Vicky.]

Yeah I think we all do (even you Vicky) although I think we all have a different one, and like morality it's shaped by various things and experiences so no one act is universally "right" or "wrong"

Edit - also, I gave 50p to a homeless man tonight, must have one :hello:

Hmm, this is very interesting

As is

I think we sometimes get pressured into feeling guilty about stuff that morally, we should feel guilty about, but in reality we just don't :/

I definitely agree with the second one

[Kizzy]

Wow another philosophical debate, are morals inherant or a product of our upbringing?...no two people are ever brought up alike as they respond to situations differently, but there really is no way of knowing if your feelings of guilt or regret towards a situation is not how you respond personally to the situation, or if its how you have been 'programmed' to feel. To test this you would need someone who did not have any primary or secondary socialisation...and thats not likely is it?

[CharlieO]

Does one*

EDIT: I am wrong, I did not read the first post and see that it related on a personal level.
-embarrassed-

[Livia]

I'd be interested to know Vicky, whether you ever feel hurt by people's words or actions to you, or angry because someone's hurt someone you love?

[Vicky.]

I'd be interested to know Vicky, whether you ever feel hurt by people's words or actions to you, or angry because someone's hurt someone you love?

I dont feel hurt over things people say/do. I do get angry at random things on a regular basis though :laugh:

[Kizzy]

How angry? mild , moderate or muderous?

[Vicky.]

Haha. It depends on what happened to make me angry :p

I have extremely good control of my temper though.

[Livia]

I dont feel hurt over things people say/do. I do get angry at random things on a regular basis though :laugh:

Hmmm... a slight body-swerve at the question about feeling hurt or angry on behalf of someone you love when they get hurt. I can't believe you're completely devoid of conscience.

Yeah, I get angry at random things or a regular basis too, and what annoys me one day I may not even notice the next.

[Vicky.]

Hmmm... a slight body-swerve at the question about feeling hurt or angry on behalf of someone you love when they get hurt. I can't believe you're completely devoid of conscience.

Yeah, I get angry at random things or a regular basis too, and what annoys me one day I may not even notice the next.

I misread the question thats why...sorry :laugh:

I dont get hurt when people say/do things to me. But I do get very angry when people upset my family/gav

[Livia]

I misread the question thats why...sorry :laugh:

I dont get hurt when people say/do things to me. But I do get very angry when people upset my family/gav

Although I guess that's empathy rather than conscience... interesting though. Either way, I think you'd probably make a good assassin LOL... a job I've always fancied myself.

[Kizzy]

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/8565585/The-Psychopath-Test-A-Journey-through-the-Madness-Industry-by-Jon-Ronson-review.html

[Vicky.]

Although I guess that's empathy rather than conscience... interesting though. Either way, I think you'd probably make a good assassin LOL... a job I've always fancied myself.

I'll keep an eye out on the jobcentre website for that one. pretty well paid too I would imagine :tongue:

[Ammi]

Hmmm... a slight body-swerve at the question about feeling hurt or angry on behalf of someone you love when they get hurt. I can't believe you're completely devoid of conscience.

Yeah, I get angry at random things or a regular basis too, and what annoys me one day I may not even notice the next.

That's quite interesting too Livia, I've had Cognitive Behaviour Therapy...where you basically analyse what it was that changed your mood and made you upset/angry/irritated you, and it's normally something like a 'memory association', rather than what your actually reacting at...if that makes sense.....I found it really helpful......I could give you an example but I won't bore the pants off you as I'm quite a bore on physocology

[Niamh.]

That's quite interesting too Livia, I've had Cognitive Behaviour Therapy...where you basically analyse what it was that changed your mood and made you upset/angry/irritated you, and it's normally something like a 'memory association', rather than what your actually reacting at...if that makes sense.....I found it really helpful......I could give you an example but I won't bore the pants off you as I'm quite a bore on physocology

Oh do give an example, I find all that stuff really interesting

[Vicky.]

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/8565585/The-Psychopath-Test-A-Journey-through-the-Madness-Industry-by-Jon-Ronson-review.html

That first link is a very interesting conspiracy.

I scored 16 on the quiz thing...which I thought was bad, but according to the second link its not. I was probably overthinking the questions though

[Ammi]

Oh do give an example, I find all that stuff really interesting

..ok...*feels embarrassed*...well, I have this 'hate' of people putting things on high shelves or on top of cupboards so that I can't see them properly or reach them easily...it's one of those silly things that makes my blood boil and that's not really rational...it's no big deal, is it?
Through cognative behaviour therapy I realise that this is because, when I was around two, my mum put a jug of boiling hot fat (she was purifying it) onto a high shelf, so that we couldn't reach it. My brother was not put off and dragged a table to stand on because he wanted to see what was in the jug. He still couldn't see in but he could reach it, so he tipped forward, I was standing on the floor below and he tipped boiling fat onto my arm.
I don't actually remember this happening, I've just had the story retold, but the subconscious mind remembers everything..like a photographic memory.....so whenever I can't see something on a shelf and have to reach for it...my mind remembers the pain. Because I can't remember the incident..it manifolds as anger or irritation.
...of course, now that I know that.....I don't have a problem with it anymore because I realise the object on the shelf won't hurt me.
...hope that makes sense

[Vicky.]

Now that kinda thing makes me wish I had gone to CBT when the docs wanted me to go(was for anxiety attacks/depression a few years back for the nosier ones amongst us :p ). I thought it was a load of rubbish, but sounds fascinating

[King Gizzard]

I don't think this strictly counts, its more the emotional side, but I don't think I've ever cried at someones death, be it celebrity or friend, I just..stay shocked (sad yes, but not visibly emotional)

I think I would only be able to cry if it was a close family member..I don't get it when people cry over celebrities they don't really know or didn't really care about until they died

That's not conscience though

..but then I can cry with happiness when Zambia won the Africa Nations Cup..

[Niamh.]

..ok...*feels embarrassed*...well, I have this 'hate' of people putting things on high shelves or on top of cupboards so that I can't see them properly or reach them easily...it's one of those silly things that makes my blood boil and that's not really rational...it's no big deal, is it?
Through cognative behaviour therapy I realise that this is because, when I was around two, my mum put a jug of boiling hot fat (she was purifying it) onto a high shelf, so that we couldn't reach it. My brother was not put off and dragged a table to stand on because he wanted to see what was in the jug. He still couldn't see in but he could reach it, so he tipped forward, I was standing on the floor below and he tipped boiling fat onto my arm.
I don't actually remember this happening, I've just had the story retold, but the subconscious mind remembers everything..like a photographic memory.....so whenever I can't see something on a shelf and have to reach for it...my mind remembers the pain. Because I can't remember the incident..it manifolds as anger or irritation.
...of course, now that I know that.....I don't have a problem with it anymore because I realise the object on the shelf won't hurt me.
...hope that makes sense

That's actually really interesting.

[Ammi]

Now that kinda thing makes me wish I had gone to CBT when the docs wanted me to go(was for anxiety attacks/depression a few years back for the nosier ones amongst us :p ). I thought it was a load of rubbish, but sounds fascinating

..believe me, I'm the first one to have criticised therapy as mumbo jumbo...but I'm all for it now. Once we understand our reactions and irritations it dissolves them...as most of the time we realise it's not what we think it is thats caused them in the first place.....you should try it Vicky, it has a really positive effect.

I don't think this strictly counts, its more the emotional side, but I don't think I've ever cried at someones death, be it celebrity or friend, I just..stay shocked (sad yes, but not visibly emotional)

I think I would only be able to cry if it was a close family member..I don't get it when people cry over celebrities they don't really know or didn't really care about until they died

That's not conscience though

..but then I can cry with happiness when Zambia won the Africa Nations Cup..

I'm not a cryer either and haven't cried, even for a close loved one....I release my feelings through writing them down..it's important to release feelings...but it doesn't matter how we do it....we're all different....I have been told though 'cryers' release theirs more easily

[Ammi]

That's actually really interesting.
...don't get me started....I've revealed enough for one afternoon on the forum...LOL

[Livia]

The CBT thing is fascinating and really makes so much sense. I have a friend who suffers from depression and went through CBT following a string of massively high peaks and desperately low troughs. He still suffers from depression but is much more able to cope with it and manage it without taking meds. It really did change him and the way he thought about things. I'm a believer.

[King Gizzard]

I start that soon..apparently :suspect:

[Ammi]

The CBT thing is fascinating and really makes so much sense. I have a friend who suffers from depression and went through CBT following a string of massively high peaks and desperately low troughs. He still suffers from depression but is much more able to cope with it and manage it without taking meds. It really did change him and the way he thought about things. I'm a believer.
Me too, I was actually having hynotherapy to quit smoking and it lead to the CBT..maybe she thought I was a basket case. It's amazing how much 'associations' control our actions and when you understand why you feel a certain way..it's easy to control. I too have a friend who has always relied who suffers depression and has always relied on medication but I've persuaded her to try this and even after a few weeks I've noticed how confident she is becoming and how she's stopped thinking she's to blame for everything wrong in her life. I would have liked to continue tbh but it was too expensive so now I 'self help' because I've learned enough about myself to be able to do that.

I start that soon..apparently :suspect:

CBT?...I really recommend it...so long as you're honest with yourself and your therapist it could make a huge difference....look at me, I'm reasonably normal...kind of

[King Gizzard]

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks :joker:

[Ammi]

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks :joker:

...bloody NHS..we'll be doing our own surgery with online instructions next...

[King Gizzard]

That's not beyond the realms of possibility, sadly..

Although it already seems like that at the appointment these days anyway

[Ammi]

That's not beyond the realms of possibility, sadly..

Although it already seems like that at the appointment these days anyway

Find a good book on CBT Nathan...it's something that's really easy to 'self help' with, once you understand it and it's not difficult to understand...I'll have a look online and see what books I can find

[Kizzy]

My sis is really into NLP (neuro lynguistic programming) at the mo its a kind of self-hypnosis, it sounds really interesting, i stopped smoking through self hypnosis 9 years ago. It might be worth looking into as a way to get in touch with your emotional side?

[Shasown]

I was given an online course and reading to do via referal from my GP... you know cutbacks :joker:

Was it this on

http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome ?

Have a pop at the e-couch as well further down the page

[King Gizzard]

Was it this on

http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome ?

Have a pop at the e-couch as well further down the page

Nah, one that I'm not even sure works/they gave me the wrong website. But I'll give that one a try, thanks