5year old boy opts to be a girl

[Me. I Am Salman]

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A five-year-old boy who rejected his gender is now living as a girl with the support of his family, doctors and school

Zach Avery was three when he started questioning his gender, and began wearing dresses and ribbons in his hair.

Until the age of three Zach was a regular boy who loved Thomas the Tank Engine, but suddenly he became obsessed with Dora the Explorer and started dressing in girls clothes.

Zach's anguish at being a boy was such that "he used to cry and try to cut off his willy out of frustration."

Eventually NHS doctors officially diagnosed Zach with GID, one of the youngest affected children in the UK.

Ms Avery said: "They told us that although he had a male body, his brain was telling him he was a girl."

Ms Avery said the school has been very supportive and Zach had experienced no bullying from other children.

Source: Yahoo (http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/five-year-old-boy-opts-to-become-a-girl.html)
And I read in another article from the telegraph that his mother "would love to have her son back, but respects his decision."

So what do you think? Do you think the child is too young to make such a lifechanging decision?

[Niamh.]

I would say 3 is too young yeah but I really don't know enough about that to comment

[Black Dagger]

So, first we have a seven year old come out as gay. And now this?

I mean, I don't know what to say, yes he's a little young, but genetics etc then... ooh I'm not sure...

[Livia]

When I was five I wanted to be a mermaid and thought it was within the realms of possibility. When I got older I grew out of it. I reckon he will too. Five is too young to even understand this stuff.

I blame Dora the Explorer...

[lostalex]

I don't agree with putting it in the media, but sounds like the parents have a good head on their shoulders.

What's worse, supporting the child to explore who they are? or pushing bigotry and shame on them?


Let the child explore, and support them in their decisions with guidence.

Compared to the shame and bigotry aimed at LGBT kids now, and the resulting suicide rates among LGBT youth, i say good for these parents. They may have saved this child's life.

Obviously the way our society has treated LGBT kids in the past is not working, so why not try something new, like love and acceptance.

That being said, i would not support any surgery or pills until he/she is at least 22. I'm appalled at any parents that get cosmetic surgery for children. Seeing girls getting breast implants as an 18th birthday present repulses me. Surgery and medical intervention should only happen when they are fully grown adults imo. No one's brain is fully developed by the age of 18.

Most research shows that the human brain isn't fully developed until the age of 22.

[Ammi]

When I was five I wanted to be a mermaid and thought it was within the realms of possibility. When I got older I grew out of it. I reckon he will too. Five is too young to even understand this stuff.

I blame Dora the Explorer...

...you definately have a point http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMTyRof2qcItpzVvbKxB7Olk5n_KlWv EmxnktqCzfSctyYDGzikw

[CharlieO]

So stupid. A 5 year old doesn't know what it wants to be :bored:

[Livia]

Wow...Dora grew up to be a hooker??

[Ammi]

Wow...Dora grew up to be a hooker??

..oh yes, she has 'equipment' merchandise...an Aquapet..yeah righthttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzcewtZlonglj7RHpo-A0yT9RKKgKDd_OdYPBw8CVqOK3zmNKl

[Niamh.]

I don't really know alot about transgenders but surely it's a psychological issue rather than a physical issue?

[Niall]

I agree with it tbh. Well so long as the appropriate authorities make it plain to the kid whats going to happen and how it'll be irreversible.

If the kid was truly unhappy being a boy then maybe it suggests that swapping genders should be investigated. Those sort of feelings shouldn't just be written off because the person is still a child. Finding a solution to the issue as soon as possible is the way to incur the least stress.

Thats my take on it anyway. And I don't agree with this being plastered all over the papers either. Its a very personal thing imo.

[Niall]

I don't really know alot about transgenders but surely it's a psychological issue rather than a physical issue?

From what I've read about it, its a psychological thing. The person will often feel that they're trapped or have been born the wrong gender.

[Niamh.]

From what I've read about it, its a psychological thing. The person will often feel that they're trapped or have been born the wrong gender.

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.

[Niall]

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.

I don't agree at all. I do think that if a person feels they are the wrong gender than a rigorous psychological analysis should be applied to the person, to make sure that their feelings can't be resolved in another way.

I think that if the person feels truly unhappy with their gender, then we shouldn't force them to accept it, when their quality of life could be greatly enhanced with an operation. Forcing them to accept that they'll never be able to become the gender they feel is 'correct', is almost akin to saying to a homosexual that their sexual feelings are just a phase.

Its a genuine problem. And if its not sorted it can just cause a plethora of other much more harmful mental disorders later in life.

[lostalex]

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.


So should all retarded people or disabled people also just accept that they weren't born "normal" or should they try to live how they want to live and over come what they were born with? Why put limitations on someone just because they weren't born "normal"?

Saying a trangendered person should try to accept being born a boy, is just ike saying a person born without 1 leg shouldn't get a prosthetic because they were born without a leg, so they should just accept only having 1 leg.

Why should they try to walk with a prosthetic, they should just accept not having the leg. That's what yur saying.

[Samuel.]

I agree with Niamh, at least for a 5 year old child. Surgery certainly shouldn't be an option at that age. Who knows how he'll be thinking in 10, 20 years time?

[MTVN]

Meh leave him be, and if he still feels the same when he's an adult then he can go ahead and get a sex change :shrug:

[lostalex]

Meh leave him be, and if he still feels the same when he's an adult then he can go ahead and get a sex change :shrug:


eggggsactly.

[Niamh.]

I don't agree at all. I do think that if a person feels they are the wrong gender than a rigorous psychological analysis should be applied to the person, to make sure that their feelings can't be resolved in another way.

I think that if the person feels truly unhappy with their gender, then we shouldn't force them to accept it, when their quality of life could be greatly enhanced with an operation. Forcing them to accept that they'll never be able to become the gender they feel is 'correct', is almost akin to saying to a homosexual that their sexual feelings are just a phase.

Its a genuine problem. And if its not sorted it can just cause a plethora of other much more harmful mental disorders later in life.

I really don't see how being gay and being transgender are even comparable. One is sexual orientation and behaviour and the other is thinking you are the opposite gender.

So should all retarded people or disabled people also just accept that they weren't born "normal" or should they try to live how they want to live and over come what they were born with? Why put limitations on someone just because they weren't born "normal"?

Saying a trangendered person should try to accept being born a boy, is just ike saying a person born without 1 leg shouldn't get a prosthetic because they were born without a leg, so they should just accept only having 1 leg.

It's absolutely not the same thing at all Alex.

[lostalex]

Well obviously it's not the same thing, because there isn't the same level of oppression and bigotry against disabled people as there is against trans people.

[Niall]

I really don't see how being gay and being transgender are even comparable. One is sexual orientation and behaviour and the other is thinking you are the opposite gender.


They're comparable in the sense that they were once viewed as a mental disorder.

I think people should be allowed to get a sex change anyway. So long as they are proven to be truly unhappy with their gender identity.

[Niamh.]

Well obviously it's not the same thing, because there isn't the same level of oppression and bigotry against disabled people as there is against trans people.

I just don't see the connection Alex :conf: What kind of a change are you comparing between the two?

[Niamh.]

They're comparable in the sense that they were once viewed as a mental disorder.

I think people should be allowed to get a sex change anyway. So long as they are proven to be truly unhappy with their gender identity.

Well look, it's not going to effect me if someone wants to have a sex change, I'd just imagine that it would leave them feeling even more out of place is all.

[Tom4784]

I think he's probably too young for a serious diagnosis to be made. I'd just go along with it until he grows out of it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ridiculous

[lostalex]

I just don't see the connection Alex :conf: What kind of a change are you comparing between the two?

The connection is being born in a body that doesn't fit your soul and ambitions. Overcoming physical limitations. But if surgery or technology can assist that person in overcoming those challenges, i don't see how that is a bad thing in any way.

[Niamh.]

The connection is being born in a body that doesn't fit your soul and ambitions. Overcoming physical limitations.

Tell me what a disabled person does that is the same as having a sex change, that's what I was asking.

[Shaun]

it's sad that childhood innocence and exploration is subjected to scrutiny

[Jessica.]

I think it's perfectly acceptable that a child should be allowed to be whoever they want to be, I think it's good to put it in the media, to make people more aware and accepting, rather than judging them.

[fruit_cake]

live and let live

[lostalex]

Tell me what a disabled person does that is the same as having a sex change, that's what I was asking.


disabled people have amputations in order to be better fitted with a prosthetic that would serve them better. Having part of their body chopped off, in order to assist in having a more complete body.


Also disabled people with diseases like schizophrenia, they take chemicals and medication to help them live a better life. You don't see how it's the same thing?

You don't see how medicine and technology improves people's lives despite disorders or disfigurements they are born with?

The idea that you should just accept how you were born, and not seek any help from modern science is crazy to me.

If there is medicine and technology to ease a problem you were born with, why wouldn't you use it? or why would you deny it to your child?

[Niamh.]

disabled people have amputations in order to be better fitted with a prosthetic that would serve them better. Having part of their body chopped off, in order to assist in having a more complete body.


Also disabled people with diseases like schizophrenia, they take chemicals and medication to help them live a better life. You don't see how it's the same thing?

You don't see how medicine and technology improves people's lives despite disorders or disfigurements they are born with?

The idea that you should just accept how you were born, and not seek any help from modern science is crazy to me.

I don't know, maybe I don't know enough about it but even after having a sex change they're still not going to be a woman and may end up feeling even more out of place.

I'm really not saying this to be harsh, it's just my thoughts on it. Must be a terrible thing to go through.

[Jessica.]

even after having a sex change they're still not going to be a woman

:joker: Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

[Niamh.]

:joker: Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

In your opinion, but I bet most straight men wouldn't see them as a woman or a potential partner.

[Livia]

:joker: Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

[lostalex]

:joker: Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.


I agree. There are plenty of men that would not only accept them as a woman, but some are even more attracted to trans women.

[lostalex]

In your opinion, but I bet most straight men wouldn't see them as a woman or a potential partner.

Trans women don't go through transition and surgery and hormones just to IMPRESS str8 men.

They do it to be content with themselves.

[lostalex]

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

genetically we are 98% identical to apes, so what? What's your point?

[Niamh.]

Trans women don't go through transition and surgery and hormones just to IMPRESS str8 men.

They do it to be content with themselves.

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

[Jordan.]

The parents made it an issue by allowing him to dress as a girl. It'd have probably just been a faze.

[Jessica.]

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

They can still fall in love and get married and even adopt children. I don't see the big deal about it.

[lostalex]

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

And what about people "mutilated" in automobile accidents or burn victims for whatever reason, are you saying that just because someone looks "mutilated" to you that they can't be happy with themselves??

Maybe they don't feel mutilated, and it's only people TELLING them that they are "mutilated" is the problem.

[Kizzy]

Im sure the parents thought it was a phase untill he began to mutilate himself. I would accept it was he my child.

[Jessica.]

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

Imagine you woke up one day and had the body of a man, you didn't know why it happened to you and you knew in your heart that you were a woman, wouldn't you do your best to be true to yourself?

[Niamh.]

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

I'm not trying to intimidate anyone Alex. I'm just giving my opinion on the subject.

[lostalex]

The parents made it an issue by allowing him to dress as a girl. It'd have probably just been a faze.


Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

[Jessica.]

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

And what about people "mutilated" in automobile accidents or burn victims for whatever reason, are you saying that just because someone looks "mutilated" to you that they can't be happy with themselves??

Maybe they don't feel mutilated, and it's only people TELLING them that they are "mutilated" is the problem.

God, calm down. :joker:

[Niamh.]

Imagine you woke up one day and had the body of a man, you didn't know why it happened to you and you knew in your heart that you were a woman, wouldn't you do your best to be true to yourself?

Obviously as that hasn't happened I would only be guessing on what my reaction would be, but If you want me to do that, then I think I'd rather try to accept the fact that I'm a man.

[Jessica.]

Obviously as that hasn't happened I would only be guessing on what my reaction would be, but If you want me to do that, then I think I'd rather try to accept the fact that I'm a man.

:shocked:

[lostalex]

I'm not trying to intimidate anyone Alex. I'm just giving my opinion on the subject.

i know, but i'm just saying, what you are saying is an opinion that is quite common and could be intimidating to a young person struggling with this.

[Niamh.]

Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

I dressed my kids when they were 5 :conf:

[lostalex]

I dressed my kids when they were 5 :conf:

and if you didn't, if you allowed them to dress themselves you think it would make them trans?? gimme a break.

[Niamh.]

i know, but i'm just saying, what you are saying is an opinion that is quite common and could be intimidating to a young person struggling with this.

Yeah and again, It doesn't affect me in the slightest what people chose to do, just thinking with my own mind I think I'd end up feeling worse having all that surgery and taking all those hormones etc.

[Niamh.]

and if you didn't, if you allowed them to dress themselves you think it would make them trans?? gimme a break.

lol, no, I never said that, I just said that when my kds were 5 I dressed them

[lostalex]

wel like i said, i don't believe in surgery or hormones until they are 22. But i certainly wouldn't force my child to wear clothes that they didn't wanna wear thinking that would fix things. And i wouldn't try to influence my child's gender identification. Everything short of surgery and hormones, i'd encourage him or her to explore in the meant time before he or she made a decision.

[lostalex]

I think we are agreeing mostly Niamh :P

[Jordan.]

Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

When it comes to the child wanting to wear opposite sex clothing then it's not okay. Tell a child they can't do something and they wont. Because they've allowed him to have his own way he thinks it's normal now.

[Niamh.]

I think we are agreeing mostly Niamh :P

lol, yeah, I think my problem is trying to be able to put myself into that frame of mind, when I do I come up with such a different outlook :joker:

[Kizzy]

Im assuming he goes to school, the other boys will tell him it is not normal, and yet if he feels in his heart he is female then he should be supported, and if it does turn out to be temporary ...no harm done.

[lostalex]

lol, yeah, I think my problem is trying to be able to put myself into that frame of mind, when I do I come up with such a different outlook :joker:

I know my "fashion" choices when i was younger drove my parents crazy when i was younger, and i also know that they were embarrassed about it in public sometimes. They ne ver said it though, but i knew they were embarrassed. But the fact that they supported me meant EVERYTHING in the world.

It meant that even if it embarrassed them, they still supported me, and when you have kids that is what you should do.

Guess what, kids embarrass parents, and parents embarrass kids, but the most important thing is always supporting each other, cause family comes first ALWAYS.

That's what love is. Even if you are embarrassed or uncomfortable, you don't show it because you love someone enuf to not want that person to feel embarrassed too. Because you are more concerned about someone elses feelings than your own. That is what love is.

If you love someone you would never want to change them or embarrass them, even if you are embarrassed by them. you would rather be embarrassed than have them be embarrassed, that is love.

[Livia]

They can still fall in love and get married and even adopt children. I don't see the big deal about it.

I don't see the big deal about it either. If that's what an adult (not a five year old child) wants and it will make them feel like a complete person, then that's their choice. But you said, along with a little laughing emoticon: "... If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female". When actually, they still have the XY chromosome and not the XX chromosome, so genetically they are not, and never will be, a woman.

[lostalex]

I don't see the big deal about it either. If that's what an adult (not a five year old child) wants and it will make them feel like a complete person, then that's their choice. But you said, along with a little laughing emoticon: "... If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female". When actually, they still have the XY chromosome and not the XX chromosome, so genetically they are not, and never will be, a woman.

how many people have had a genetic test to prove whether they have an XX or XY? do you carry around proof?

If you think XX or XY can determine or define someone then you are ignorant. Human beings are infinitely complex, and those 2 letters are not as important as you seem to think.

[Kizzy]

I think he looks too cute to be a boy...i know, im not helping...;)

[Niall]

Yeah and again, It doesn't affect me in the slightest what people chose to do, just thinking with my own mind I think I'd end up feeling worse having all that surgery and taking all those hormones etc.

Its a different thing though. These people feel utterly trapped and disgusted when they are as their 'natural' gender. More often than not, the only way for them to be happy or feel normal is to have surgery and take the hormones.

[Jordan.]

How can he feel trapped when he has no idea yet what it entails to be female or even male for that matter. All he wants is to dress like a girl because he likes Dora the explorer. It's ridiculous.

[CharlieO]

The only thing that defines and man as a man and a woman as a woman is a smaller gamete cell. No surgery can change that so TECHNICALLY one can never change sex :hmph:

(in reply to the Nimah Lostalex thing.)

[Locke.]

If it hasn't already had a sex change then what the bloody hell are they doing dressing it as a girl. People like that shouldn't be allowed to have kids, they should be neutered :bored:

[Jake.]

Not fair to the child, let him grow up first as it could just be a phase. A 5 year old shouldn't be allowed to make such desicions.

[Jords]

This is terrible hes too young to know. But tbh I disagree with transgender ops full stop. People need medical attention for serious issues such as cancer but time, money and equipment is being wasted on giving somebody a dick or pair of tits. :bored:

People who believe they are a woman but a man or vice-versa need counselling to learn to appreciate their own body. I dont think it helps their life that much at all having the op because most of the time its so obvious anyway. I also dont believe there is a 'female' brain or 'male' brain. Were not programmed to wanna shop, dress-up and love pink sparkly things or dig cars, wank and hit the gym. Our brains are individual and we like what we like. Maybe youre a ****** or a tomboy because you have them interests but I dont believe anybody actually is a woman trapped in a man's body or man trapped in a woman's body.

[Marsh.]

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

This is terrible hes too young to know. But tbh I disagree with transgender ops full stop. People need medical attention for serious issues such as cancer but time, money and equipment is being wasted on giving somebody a dick or pair of tits. :bored:

People who believe they are a woman but a man or vice-versa need counselling to learn to appreciate their own body. I dont think it helps their life that much at all having the op because most of the time its so obvious anyway. I also dont believe there is a 'female' brain or 'male' brain. Were not programmed to wanna shop, dress-up and love pink sparkly things or dig cars, wank and hit the gym. Our brains are individual and we like what we like. Maybe youre a ****** or a tomboy because you have them interests but I dont believe anybody actually is a woman trapped in a man's body or man trapped in a woman's body.

Technically, there are differences between a male and female brain.

But, I do agree with everything else you said. Strong therapy and counselling is needed in these situations. It's like with anorexics etc they suffer from a mental disorder and need help to allow them to appreciate the body they were born with.

[Samuel.]

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

Exactly.

I don't know how anyone can honestly say a five year old should be given a life changing decision like this. What's to say he won't feel completely different in 10 years time. It could potentially ruin his life.

[Jords]

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

[lostalex]

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

and what do you know about being a man or a woman? cause last time i checked there are infinite variations, arn't all men and women individuals??

[lostalex]

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

really? gay/lesbian's act stereotypically? so i guess you have lived up to all of the stereotypes for your gender as a heterosexual??? You have been the ideal child for your parents have you? i guess you perfectly matched all stereotypes of a heterosexual in your life, just to make your parents proud. well how wonderful, and you want to impose that same standard on your kids???? REALLY?


so you would only be happy with a "typical" male or female child?

how boring/base


(at least you admit your wrongness and ignorance in your post, i'll give you credit for that)

[CharlieO]

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

I agree Jords.

[Marsh.]

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

I've wondered that. Whether a lot of them are people who don't like the "gay" tag and so think they should be the opposite sex.

But I think the gender disorder can sometimes have nothing to do with their sexuality. I mean there was a woman in the paper's who was a straight woman but wanted to be a man, thus making her a gay man. It is confusing.

I still can't quite believe this 5 year old though. I mean one of my cousins went through a small phase of playing with dolls when he was 4 or 5. His mates always poke fun after they saw photos. But he's grown up, got married and had kids. What if they'd slapped a tag on him at 4 years of age? Just a disgrace, the parents should be ashamed.

[Jords]

really? gay/lesbian's act stereotypically? so i guess you have lived up to all of the stereotypes for your gender as a heterosexual??? You have been the ideal child for your parents have you? i guess you perfectly matched all stereotypes of a heterosexual in your life, just to make your parents proud. well how wonderful, and you want to impose that same standard on your kids???? REALLY?


so you would only be happy with a "typical" male or female child?

how boring/base


(at least you admit your wrongness and ignorance in your post, i'll give you credit for that)

Youre a boob.

My example was OF A stereotypical gay man/woman. I did not say all gay men/women act stereotypically.

Dont get offended over something not offensive.

[Marsh.]

Where's lostalex's post gone? :rolleyes:

[lostalex]

Where's lostalex's post gone? :rolleyes:
it's on the last page. why are you asking? Who are you? Why are you so worried about my posts?????

[lostalex]

Youre a boob.

My example was OF A stereotypical gay man/woman. I did not say all gay men/women act stereotypically.

Dont get offended over something not offensive.

i'm not offended. it's just a response. I apologize if I assumed anything, i don't think i did though.

this is a child that loks happy and healthy, so i think everyone should BUTT OUT.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/20/article-1329776256157-11D28533000005DC-810973_466x672.jpg

[Marsh.]

it's on the last page. why are you asking? Who are you? Why are you so worried about my posts?????

Who am I? You have a short memory. :hugesmile:

I'm not worried, just wondered where it had gone because when I refreshed the page the second page was added and I hadn't read your reply.

[lostalex]

Who am I? You have a short memory. :hugesmile:

obviously. you sound friendly though, so i think i should be embarrassed to not know. yur not on my friends list though...

add me so i can remember.

[Jords]

I've wondered that. Whether a lot of them are people who don't like the "gay" tag and so think they should be the opposite sex.

But I think the gender disorder can sometimes have nothing to do with their sexuality. I mean there was a woman in the paper's who was a straight woman but wanted to be a man, thus making her a gay man. It is confusing.

I still can't quite believe this 5 year old though. I mean one of my cousins went through a small phase of playing with dolls when he was 4 or 5. His mates always poke fun after they saw photos. But he's grown up, got married and had kids. What if they'd slapped a tag on him at 4 years of age? Just a disgrace, the parents should be ashamed.

I dont think its as simply as 'I dont wanna be gay, I must be a woman' thought. I think its deep down in the unconscious that they have decided they cant possibly be or dont want to be known as gay/lesbian and they need another option for their behaviour and thoughts, and thats being transgender.

And Ive heard many cases about that. It is really confusing and perhaps its something much more complex I dunno. But my suggestion is that perhaps a straight tomboy is so masculine they latch onto the idea of being transgender and convince theirself they must be but as they are straight it means theyd become a gay man. When maybe they just cant accept that they are just a masculine woman. In their head its not right. Or something.

Completely agree with your last comment :worship:
Its not that unusual at all really. They have took it too far. Maybe they wanted a daughter :S

[Marsh.]

obviously. you sound friendly though, so i think i should be embarrassed to not know. yur not on my friends list though...

I've changed my signature. Maybe that's why. We've had a few... ahem... "run-ins".

[lostalex]

I've changed my signature. Maybe that's why. We've had a few... ahem... "run-ins".

added, got you on the "no attack" list now :P

sorry if i sounded confrontational :P

do i have a nasty habit of being defensive, i need to work on that ;)

[Jords]

i'm not offended. it's just a response. I apologize if I assumed anything, i don't think i did though.

this is a child that loks happy and healthy, so i think everyone should BUTT OUT.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/20/article-1329776256157-11D28533000005DC-810973_466x672.jpg

We were talking about male/female brains. I used a stereotypical gay man as an example to suggest do they have a female brain? And a stereotypical lesbian woman as an example to suggest do they have a male brain? I personally dont think they do as I think its more to do with nuture than nature why brains differ.

Therefore I dont believe a man can be trapped in a woman's body and vice-versa. Thus I dont believe in transgender. I believe they think they are but thats it.

[Harry!]

If I was gender confused I would not want a sex change op because you were, escuse the cleshé, born that way, and I am sure there are other alternative options you could use. There is also the possibility that you might have future regrets and it will be too late to change your mind.