Mum invents 10 children to cheat on Benefits

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Mar/Week1/16183027.jpg

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4174923/Benefits-cheat-mum-invented-10-children.html

Get Every Penny Back
And Punish the 41 year old.


Its like she could be on Shameless Ch4HD Episode

[Niamh.]

How is that even possible? Surely you need to produce birth certificates for any children you claim for?

[thesheriff443]

more than likely done on line,

[Niamh.]

more than likely done on line,

fake birth certs?

[Marc]

:laugh2: invented?! what the hell

[thesheriff443]

fake birth certs?

no, i dont think you need them,they try to make the system easier for people to use,but then it gets abused.

[Marc]

For single mothers aged 13 who can't think for themselves

[Niamh.]

no, i dont think you need them,they try to make the system easier for people to use,but then it gets abused.

Oh really? That's stupid, you need them here. Infact for childrens allowance (which everyone is entitled to) they've even started sending out forms to all parents of kids receiving benefits asking them for the childs school and which class they're in to clamp down on people who don't even live in the country anymore but continue to claim.

[Marc]

Niamh told me she had 15 children :idc: from what I've seen she's only got 2

[thesheriff443]

its different departments,and they dont share the imformation,only when something comes to light do they investigate.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why didnt i think of this

[thesheriff443]

she should of done it the legal way and pushed ten out,lol

[Niamh.]

Niamh told me she had 15 children :idc: from what I've seen she's only got 2

The other 13 are ginger so they're not allowed to be photographed :idc:

its different departments,and they dont share the imformation,only when something comes to light do they investigate.

It just seems incredibly ridiculous that you wouldn't have to produce birth certs when applying though.

[thesheriff443]

true, but they always get caught in the end as this case shows.

[thesheriff443]

trust is dead!,bad pay killed him.

[fruit_cake]

true, but they always get caught in the end as this case shows.

do they though? I know at least four mums who make a claim basing it on the fact that they have no partner yet the partner lives there and earns a wage. That way they don't have to declare his income.

[Niamh.]

true, but they always get caught in the end as this case shows.

Yeah but it just seems like a much more simple way to prevent it happening at all would be just produce the birth cert when applying :laugh:

[Niamh.]

do they though? I know at least four mums who make a claim basing it on the fact that they have no partner yet the partner lives there and earns a wage. That way they don't have to declare his income.

Well, that's a different scenario all together, harder to prove that then prove that 10 of your children don't exist :laugh:

[fruit_cake]

Well, that's a different scenario all together, harder to prove that then prove that 10 of your children don't exist :laugh:

lol well yeah I did kinda jump the gun there it's not really related

[thesheriff443]

yes,you should have to produce a birth certificate,but people would just fake them!

[Marc]

The other 13 are ginger so they're not allowed to be photographed :idc:

:bawling: those poor children. though I'm not surprised, they must be all disgusting and pale and just eurghh grim. you must be able to claim disability benefits for them?

[thesheriff443]

ginger kids must mean ginger nuts,lol

[Niamh.]

:bawling: those poor children. though I'm not surprised, they must be all disgusting and pale and just eurghh grim. you must be able to claim disability benefits for them?

Yes, we get a monthly hair dye allowance for them and some free hats

[Niamh.]

yes,you should have to produce a birth certificate,but people would just fake them!

people would be more reluctant to do it if it meant faking an official document though, surely that'd be a serious offence in itself?

[Marc]

Yes, we get a monthly hair dye allowance for them and some free hats

:amazed: can I get some?!

[thesheriff443]

people would be more reluctant to do it if it meant faking an official document though, surely that'd be a serious offence in itself?

if someone wants to cheat the system they will by any means possible,
the justice system does not work! she stole 42,000 and all she got is a warning really!.

[Kazanne]

Surely the benefit system is partly to blame in this,it really needs a good shake up and get people in there who are interested in people and want to help them ,instead of signing anyone on that passes by,you cant really blame people if they can get away with such things, money for nothing seems to be the motto of the day,while we tax payers graft ,it's wrong,so glad she got found out .I hope these scroungers get sifted out the system quickly and the genuine people get the help they need.

[Niamh.]

:amazed: can I get some?!

here you go :

http://rlv.zcache.com/gingers_are_people_too_hat-p148617127350588395z8nb8_400.jpg

[thesheriff443]

life is not fair,the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,
4000,kids die each day of hunger,
to keep one country strong you must keep others weak
sorry for the rant,lol

[Angus]

do they though? I know at least four mums who make a claim basing it on the fact that they have no partner yet the partner lives there and earns a wage. That way they don't have to declare his income.

If you are sure about that, you should report them. It's people like that who scrounge off society that prevent those who really need help from getting it. It seems having kids propels you to the top of any priority list for handouts, which is why so many people keep on having them when they can't afford to look after them without claiming benefits.

[thesheriff443]

in this country they have made it so you are better off not to work.

[fruit_cake]

If you are sure about that, you should report them. It's people like that who scrounge off society that prevent those who really need help from getting it. It seems having kids propels you to the top of any priority list for handouts, which is why so many people keep on having them when they can't afford to look after them without claiming benefits.

I'd never do such a thing, and frankly, although I don't condone what they are doing I do tend to think these people are used as scapegoats to a certain extent to keep our eyes focused away from the rich and the scams they get up to.

Divide and rule, divide and rule..

[Vicky.]

I'd never do such a thing, and frankly, although I don't condone what they are doing I do tend to think these people are used as scapegoats to a certain extent to keep our eyes focused away from the rich and the scams they get up to.

Divide and rule, divide and rule..

:worship:

[thesheriff443]

if your not doing, your being done

[Livia]

It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.

[Niamh.]

It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.

True enough, It's the middle of the road guy that gets shat on the most anyway imo :idc:

[thesheriff443]

It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.

whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

[Niamh.]

whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

Two wrongs don't make a right :nono:

The more people scamming and claiming, the higher the average working persons taxes will go and the more we'll have to struggle. Same with those politicians claiming stupid expenses and using the tax payers money, I don't like either and don't excuse one because the other does it too.

[thesheriff443]

Two wrongs don't make a right :nono:

The more people scamming and claiming, the higher the average working persons taxes will go and the more we'll have to struggle. Same with those politicians claiming stupid expenses and using the tax payers money, I don't like either and don't excuse one because the other does it too.

your right!,and thats what my comment meant,one rule for all.

[thesheriff443]

right thats enough forum for me,iv just imagined iv got 3 more kid to claim for,lol

[arista]

It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.


The Banks are paying Loophole Tax Now.


But this Women is a Outright Criminal
That Matters

[Niamh.]

right thats enough forum for me,iv just imagined iv got 3 more kid to claim for,lol

;)

[Kizzy]

It doesn't matter what people do, what they get up to, how lazy and dishonest they are, someone, somewhere will turn it into a "Yeah, but rich people do bad stuff" argument.

I will, there will always be greedy dishonest people, but who are the latest 'folk devils' the underclass not the MPs and their duck houses.
Are we living in another new right infested tory government? yes we are....Is the sun whipping up a moral panic? yes it is.
This could all have been avoided, no need for birth certificates.
ONE phone call to the registrar, when? where? who?...job done.
:elephant:
How ace is this elephant?

[Me. I Am Salman]

here you go :

http://rlv.zcache.com/gingers_are_people_too_hat-p148617127350588395z8nb8_400.jpg

:joker::joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

It baffles me that there are people who can get away with this stuff

[arista]

It baffles me that there are people who can get away with this stuff

Sometimes its passed on from Criminal Parents.



She is a Criminal
and Scams like this Matter

[fruit_cake]

tbh I know a woman who has never worked a day in her life, and somehow she managed to get her kids into a private school, and the kids are never short of the latest designer clothes, mobile phones etc. She's even had solar panels put on her roof.

[arista]

tbh I know a woman who has never worked a day in her life, and somehow she managed to get her kids into a private school, and the kids are never short of the latest designer clothes, mobile phones etc. She's even had solar panels put on her roof.



Call "The Sun"

[Kizzy]

She either has a wealthy ex, or she sells crack.

[Livia]

whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

All that means is that -as Niamh's pointed out - the decent, hardworking people end up paying more tax. Just because some rich people are twats (and not all of them are, they're employers and investors) doesn't mean you should admire someone for screwing the system that I am (and possibly you are) paying for through mythe tax system.

[fruit_cake]

All that means is that -as Niamh's pointed out - the decent, hardworking people end up paying more tax. Just because some rich people are twats (and not all of them are, they're employers and investors) doesn't mean you should admire someone for screwing the system that I am (and possibly you are) paying for through mythe tax system.

I'm not sure anyone admires them, some appear to feel it's more important a crime than others I'd say.

[Livia]

I will, there will always be greedy dishonest people, but who are the latest 'folk devils' the underclass not the MPs and their duck houses.
Are we living in another new right infested tory government? yes we are....Is the sun whipping up a moral panic? yes it is.
This could all have been avoided, no need for birth certificates.
ONE phone call to the registrar, when? where? who?...job done.
:elephant:
How ace is this elephant?

Well that's a bit jumbled but I'll work through it.

We have the government people voted for. If everyone who was eligible to vote actually did vote then the story might be different.

You probably don't know any MPs, what they do, how they work or how hard their staff work, not just in government but in their own constituencies. You remember one story about a moron with a duck house who tried to screw his expenses and you're going to cling on to that story for dear life and hold it up as an example for every other tory-hating leftie, conveniently forgetting all the MPs from all parties who didn't screw the system. Your hatred for the Right has made you lose sight of the fact that the left no longer really exists because it's full of champagne socialists richer than many Conservatives. You labour under the illusion that all Tories are rich, privately educated, trust-fund backed toffs, when this is just not the case. However, your hatred of the Right colours your judgement to such an extent that you end up sticking up for somoeone sucking money out of your own pocket by fiddling the benefits system you pay for.

The elephant is not ace, it's annoying and doesn't really do much to illustrate your point on a serious thread, to be frank.

[Kizzy]

Well thanks for the patronising rant livia. I dont have to know MPs personally, i read and watch the news. Fiddling your expenses is fraud. MPs are paid a fitting wage for the work they do.
Shall we fill the sun newspaper with EVERY MP that was found to have committed this FRAUD? Name and shame each one.
No one admires criminals, whatever social background they come from.

[MTVN]

I'd imagine this was more just an anomaly than the norm, and not necessarily as a result of an inherent flaw in the benefit system, it seems they were aware she was overclaiming for years. I find stories like these are more often than not sensationalised by the likes of the Sun and the Mail, and if you ask me it is relevant to point out that millions, even billions, of pounds are lost by hugely wealthy firms and people who manage to avoid paying taxes and find loopholes, and yet are not vilified in the same way that benefit cheats are

[arista]

I'd imagine this was more just an anomaly than the norm, and not necessarily as a result of an inherent flaw in the benefit system, it seems they were aware she was overclaiming for years. I find stories like these are more often than not sensationalised by the likes of the Sun and the Mail, and if you ask me it is relevant to point out that millions, even billions, of pounds are lost by hugely wealthy firms and people who manage to avoid paying taxes and find loopholes, and yet are not vilified in the same way that benefit cheats are

No Banks are now Paying Tax Loopholes.


Yes it Front Page,
of course many other mums are Not Criminal
but she is

[MTVN]

No Banks are now Paying Tax Loopholes.


Yes it Front Page,
of course many other mums are Not Criminal
but she is

I wasn't necessarily talking about banks, tax evasion is still a problem and still deprives the economy of millions, or billions of pounds

[Kizzy]

My question is what do they do in the DWP? Over ten years...it cant be possible surely.

[thesheriff443]

this is an example of how fcuked this country is!
my mate hade a 12,ooo tax bill,that he could not clear in one go,he offered to pay 100 every month until it was clear,they said no and took him to court to make him bankrupt and they got nothing!

[Angus]

I'd never do such a thing, and frankly, although I don't condone what they are doing I do tend to think these people are used as scapegoats to a certain extent to keep our eyes focused away from the rich and the scams they get up to.

Divide and rule, divide and rule..

What muddled thinking! To paraphrase a famous quotation "all it takes for fraud to flourish is for people to turn a blind eye". It's precisely because of scroungers defrauding the system that scarce resources are misdirected and those who truly need help can't get it. I would report a scrounging scumbag in a heartbeat, and not go around polishing my halo for not "grassing up" said scumbag, or pontificating about notional scams which might or might not be perpetrated by "rich" people, when you have actual scamming going on under your very nose of which you are fully aware.

Fraud is fraud whoever is committing it. Being poor doesn't give you licence to go around thieving and defrauding the system. From the sound of it the women you are talking about are NOT poor, they have working partners, and are just greedy, con artists.

[thesheriff443]

the real vilians are the people in power that sent are troops to die fighting the so called threat of weapons of mass destruction,when the real reason was to safe gaurd the oil!.

[Benjamin]

Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

[Livia]

Well thanks for the patronising rant livia. I dont have to know MPs personally, i read and watch the news. Fiddling your expenses is fraud. MPs are paid a fitting wage for the work they do.
Shall we fill the sun newspaper with EVERY MP that was found to have committed this FRAUD? Name and shame each one.
No one admires criminals, whatever social background they come from.


Yes, fiddling your expenses IS fraud, you're quite right. However, the MPs that did commit the fraud have already been named and shamed in a whole host of newspapers, I don't see how anyone could have missed it. I can assure you that all expense claims have been tightened up to a ridiculous degree in Parliament, ensuring those MPs (and their staff) who wouldn't ever have dreamed of fiddling their expenses find it almost impossible to claim for even ligitimate stuff these days, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority sees to that. So I have reason to detest the MPs who fiddled, and I do detest them. But MPs expenses have been done to death, and yet every time some feckless member of the unter-class gets caught fiddling a benefits system that's meant to be there to help the most needy, a whole host of people whip out the old tar brush and give everyone in parliament a dab with it.

As you mention that MPs are paid "a fitting wage", I have to disagree there also. They're paid around £60,000pa. That's not even a middle management salary in the private sector, and for the responsibility they take it just ensures that only people of private means can afford to be MPs. People from less well-off backgrounds take their skills and find better paid employment elsewhere.

[arista]

the real vilians are the people in power that sent are troops to die fighting the so called threat of weapons of mass destruction,when the real reason was to save gaurd the oil!.



Yes Off Topic

But Evil Blair and New Labour
was a Warmonger

[Niamh.]

Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

http://i55.tinypic.com/30vhco8.jpg

[MTVN]

D:

[Kizzy]

Yes, fiddling your expenses IS fraud, you're quite right. However, the MPs that did commit the fraud have already been named and shamed in a whole host of newspapers, I don't see how anyone could have missed it. I can assure you that all expense claims have been tightened up to a ridiculous degree in Parliament, ensuring those MPs (and their staff) who wouldn't ever have dreamed of fiddling their expenses find it almost impossible to claim for even ligitimate stuff these days, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority sees to that. So I have reason to detest the MPs who fiddled, and I do detest them. But MPs expenses have been done to death, and yet every time some feckless member of the unter-class gets caught fiddling a benefits system that's meant to be there to help the most needy, a whole host of people whip out the old tar brush and give everyone in parliament a dab with it.

As you mention that MPs are paid "a fitting wage", I have to disagree there also. They're paid around £60,000pa. That's not even a middle management salary in the private sector, and for the responsibility they take it just ensures that only people of private means can afford to be MPs. People from less well-off backgrounds take their skills and find better paid employment elsewhere.

Well, there we have it livia, they are NOT in the private sector are they. they are public sector workers. If all you want is money and status then take your 'skills' and go i say.
And to be fair she can't be such a 'feckless' member of the underclass if she managed to defraud the DWP for 10 years can she?....I wonder if she has ever thought about a career in politics?....Im not for one second condoning her actions btw.

[Marc]

here you go :

http://rlv.zcache.com/gingers_are_people_too_hat-p148617127350588395z8nb8_400.jpg

:lovedup:

[thesheriff443]

and before anyone says its beacuse of the cheats!they say there about 50,000 cheats how does that compare to the 59 million people people in the uk

[Kizzy]

Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

I would say she has made a very important contribution to be fair, she brought to media attention failings in the current system. :)

[Roy Mars III]

Stupid woman. I hope this comes back to bite her lazy ass. Too many sponging layabouts nowadays who want something for nothing and feel the world always owes them more, even though they contribute **** all to society. If I had my way I'd line these lazy people up and send them to mines/orchards/farms to do some hard labour so they know exactly what some people have to go through to get their wage and bread each day.

:worship:

[Livia]

Well, there we have it livia, they are NOT in the private sector are they. they are public sector workers. If all you want is money and status then take your 'skills' and go i say.
And to be fair she can't be such a 'feckless' member of the underclass if she managed to defraud the DWP for 10 years can she?....I wonder if she has ever thought about a career in politics?....Im not for one second condoning her actions btw.

And there we have what? You actually want your country run by people with private wealth behind them? I thought you were a socialist? It appears not. You're about a socialist as multi-millionaire Tony Blair.

It obviously doesn't take a genius to defraud a DWP that's been haemorraging cash for the whole of Labour's term. They didn't spot it for eight years... but of course, the Tories will be responsible for the whole ten years I'm guessing.

And this is you NOT condoning her actions? LOL... Okay.

[Benjamin]

I would say she has made a very important contribution to be fair, she brought to media attention failings in the current system. :)

Doesn't deflect the fact that she is a sponging scrounger though does it? One that is sapping money from society and doing nothing to contribute. Lazy people need a boot up their ass and to stop being pampered and treated like a victim.

[InOne]

She is scum. God knows what chance the kids have with a mother like that. Social services will hopefully be involved.

[Marsh.]

What kind of house was she in? Did no one find it odd that this woman with 10 kids was living in a 2 up 2 down backstreet of Manchester? Ridiculous.

My younger brother has cerebral palsy and has struggled for funding on all sorts of equipment, been on endless waiting lists to join groups and care centres and women like this just make it harder for everyone. Scum, she should be hung.

[Niamh.]

What kind of house was she in? Did no one find it odd that this woman with 10 kids was living in a 2 up 2 down backstreet of Manchester? Ridiculous.

My younger brother has cerebral palsy and has struggled for funding on all sorts of equipment, been on endless waiting lists to join groups and care centres and women like this just make it harder for everyone. Scum, she should be hung.

Sorry to hear that, stories like this must be really maddening for you.

[Marc]

It's a crime that women like this are not sterilised at the first sign of stupidity.

[Marsh.]

Sorry to hear that, stories like this must be really maddening for you.

Thanks. Definitely infuriates me, it's the unbelievable selfishness that gets me the most. How they think it's perfectly fine to take what they want as they please without contributing anything to the community.

Especially in the current climate when people are losing their jobs and homes that they worked so hard for in their lives.

[Kizzy]

And there we have what? You actually want your country run by people with private wealth behind them? I thought you were a socialist? It appears not. You're about a socialist as multi-millionaire Tony Blair.

It obviously doesn't take a genius to defraud a DWP that's been haemorraging cash for the whole of Labour's term. They didn't spot it for eight years... but of course, the Tories will be responsible for the whole ten years I'm guessing.

And this is you NOT condoning her actions? LOL... Okay.
Stop misquoting me livia, respond to what i say and not what you want to think i said...I am not a socialist either, please dont label me.
Im in favour of welfare reforms, they are not the issue in discussion though are they?
Its the way the red tops demonise certain groups in an attempt to whip the public into a feeding frenzy of hatred over said group. Its working perfectly.
Once again i DO NOT condone her actions, as your 'LOL ...Okay' suggests you dont believe me .
We have a different view, the difference is i respect you for yours.

[Kizzy]

It's a crime that women like this are not sterilised at the first sign of stupidity.
Slightly off topic but what is the title of your dissertation marc?...

[Niamh.]

Thanks. Definitely infuriates me, it's the unbelievable selfishness that gets me the most. How they think it's perfectly fine to take what they want as they please without contributing anything to the community.

Especially in the current climate when people are losing their jobs and homes that they worked so hard for in their lives.

Yeah, I completely agree with that.

[Niamh.]

Slightly off topic but what is the title of your dissertation marc?...

Neutering for Dummies :idc:

[Angus]

What kind of house was she in? Did no one find it odd that this woman with 10 kids was living in a 2 up 2 down backstreet of Manchester? Ridiculous. My younger brother has cerebral palsy and has struggled for funding on all sorts of equipment, been on endless waiting lists to join groups and care centres and women like this just make it harder for everyone. Scum, she should be hung.

I can imagine this sort of story must absolutely infuriate you - it certainly does me. Your brother, through no fault of his own suffers from a disability for which he requires essential equipment, yet the funding is erratic if not non-existent. However, parasites like this scumbag defraud the system of money they invariably don't actually need, but to which they feel some sort of entitlement. Absolutely disgraceful. The punishments for these sorts of crime need to always be custodial, otherwise where is the deterrent?

[thesheriff443]

a good friend of mine works with children who need special help and special chairs she goes into their homes and some are very well off they could easily afford the chairs but instead wait until the money is available from a grant from the goverment wich can take months rather than pay for it them selfs

[Marsh.]

I can imagine this sort of story must absolutely infuriate you - it certainly does me. Your brother, through no fault of his own suffers from a disability for which he requires essential equipment, yet the funding is erratic if not non-existent. However, parasites like this scumbag defraud the system of money they invariably don't actually need, but to which they feel some sort of entitlement. Absolutely disgraceful. The punishments for these sorts of crime need to always be custodial, otherwise where is the deterrent?

Couldn't agree more. Just that picture of the woman walking free from court astounds me. She should be ashamed of herself but most likely isn't.

[Jesus.]

People will always try to con the system, and regardless of whether the government is Tory or Labour.

Whilst everyone is trying to stop the steam coming out of their ears on this, how about if you were told that the economy loses far more from rich people dodging personal and business taxes?

Because that's what currently happens.

This woman is in the wrong to do this, no doubt about it, but this is the typical ploy of rags like "The S*n." Demonising the poor is their standard fare. This woman will be prosecuted, but where are the investigations into the rich tax dodgers, funneling their millions to "tax-friendly" places?

[Marc]

Slightly off topic but what is the title of your dissertation marc?...

Something about these vile creatures :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

People will always try to con the system, and regardless of whether the government is Tory or Labour.

Whilst everyone is trying to stop the steam coming out of their ears on this, how about if you were told that the economy loses far more from rich people dodging personal and business taxes?

Because that's what currently happens.

This woman is in the wrong to do this, no doubt about it, but this is the typical ploy of rags like "The S*n." Demonising the poor, is their standard fare. This woman will be prosecuted, but where are the investigations into the rich tax dodgers, funneling their millions to "tax-friendly" places?

could not agree more!

[Jesus.]

could not agree more!

Then you will be blessed in the next life :joker:

[Livia]

Stop misquoting me livia, respond to what i say and not what you want to think i said...I am not a socialist either, please dont label me.
Im in favour of welfare reforms, they are not the issue in discussion though are they?Its the way the red tops demonise certain groups in an attempt to whip the public into a feeding frenzy of hatred over said group. Its working perfectly.
Once again i DO NOT condone her actions, as your 'LOL ...Okay' suggests you dont believe me .
We have a different view, the difference is i respect you for yours.

Neither are MP's expenses.

[Kizzy]

Neither are MP's expenses.

Well done, very evasive spend a lot of time in the commons livia?
My point, that has been smokescreened... has been highlighted very well by jesus.

[Niall]

Thats just disgusting. :bored:

[Jesus.]

http://www.indiatalkies.com/images/inventor435r.jpg

I have made a breakthrough on the child invention formula.

[arista]

It's a crime that women like this are not sterilised at the first sign of stupidity.


Hang on she only has 2 fit kids?
Thats a bit nazi like?


She is a Out Right Stinking Criminal.

[Kizzy]

Hold the front page!
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/msh0006l.jpg

[Jesus.]

Hang on she only has 2 fit kids?
Thats a bit nazi like?


She is a Out Right Stinking Criminal.

Arista says children are "fit"
You heard
it here
first

[Livia]

Well done, very evasive spend a lot of time in the commons livia?
My point, that has been smokescreened... has been highlighted very well by jesus.

I spend a fair bit of time in parliament, yes, as well as in the constituency. I wasn't evading your point; you don't seem to have a point, or it's fairly well hidden in amongst the usual anti-tory, duck-house-referenced flaming. It's fair to say that I don't usually agree with JHC's political opinions but he does tend to have a clear point that he sticks to that isn't just "I hate the tories". I know rich people play the system, but that doesn't make it right for people on benefits to cheat the system also. It means they're both wrong.

[arista]

Arista says children are "fit"
You heard
it here
first


Yes the Criminal Mother said they were Disabled,
but that was a Ruse.

[Kizzy]

I spend a fair bit of time in parliament, yes, as well as in the constituency. I wasn't evading your point; you don't seem to have a point, or it's fairly well hidden in amongst the usual anti-tory, duck-house-referenced flaming. It's fair to say that I don't usually agree with JHC's political opinions but he does tend to have a clear point that he sticks to that isn't just "I hate the tories". I know rich people play the system, but that doesn't make it right for people on benefits to cheat the system also. It means they're both wrong.

I do have a point, read back through my posts ignore the parts that you feel incensed by and hey presto there it is..
I could say the same of your opinion regarding the underclass...but lets not start tit for tatting.... All those in favour say 'Aye'
It does mean they are both wrong, i agree.

[Niamh.]

I spend a fair bit of time in parliament, yes, as well as in the constituency. I wasn't evading your point; you don't seem to have a point, or it's fairly well hidden in amongst the usual anti-tory, duck-house-referenced flaming. It's fair to say that I don't usually agree with JHC's political opinions but he does tend to have a clear point that he sticks to that isn't just "I hate the tories". I know rich people play the system, but that doesn't make it right for people on benefits to cheat the system also. It means they're both wrong.

Exactly, I can't see why that is even being mentioned here tbh, if people don't agree that it's alright for her to do it because some rich people do, why even bring it into the discussion?

[Kizzy]

Exactly, I can't see why that is even being mentioned here tbh, if people don't agree that it's alright for her to do it because some rich people do, why even bring it into the discussion?

Im confused, why bring what?

[Jesus.]

Exactly, I can't see why that is even being mentioned here tbh, if people don't agree that it's alright for her to do it because some rich people do, why even bring it into the discussion?

It's not so much that one excuses the other, it's just that the issue with the rich costs the country/government far more money than benefit cheats, but there are no national campaigns demonising the rich.

People are generally unaware of the problem that rich people avoiding tax/employing loopholes causes, but ask anyone about benefit cheats, and people lose their ****. Poor people inform on their neighbours, and hot lines are set up to encourage this practice.

I think this woman has acted appallingly, and she will be prosecuted. The poor are having the very things they rely on taken away from them to pay for a rich mans caused recession, and politicians are talking about shared sacrifice.

Highlighting the lack of justice, does not absolve a this woman of a theft of government funds, but everyone in the country is against this woman, whilst very few of us are even aware that there is another side to this.

[Niamh.]

Im confused, why bring what?

The bit I had bolded in the post that I quoted.

[Kizzy]

Ah i see, why not bring it? its relevant...i made it relevant.

[Kizzy]

It's not so much that one excuses the other, it's just that the issue with the rich costs the country/government far more money than benefit cheats, but there are no national campaigns demonising the rich.

People are generally unaware of the problem that rich people avoiding tax/employing loopholes causes, but ask anyone about benefit cheats, and people lose their ****. Poor people inform on their neighbours, and hot lines are set up to encourage this practice.

I think this woman has acted appallingly, and she will be prosecuted. The poor are having the very things they rely on taken away from them to pay for a rich mans caused recession, and politicians are talking about shared sacrifice.

Highlighting the lack of justice, does not absolve a this woman of a theft of government funds, but everyone in the country is against this woman, whilst very few of us are even aware that there is another side to this.

Wot he sed.

[Niamh.]

It's not so much that one excuses the other, it's just that the issue with the rich costs the country/government far more money than benefit cheats, but there are no national campaigns demonising the rich.

People are generally unaware of the problem that rich people avoiding tax/employing loopholes causes, but ask anyone about benefit cheats, and people lose their ****. Poor people inform on their neighbours, and hot lines are set up to encourage this practice.

I think this woman has acted appallingly, and she will be prosecuted. The poor are having the very things they rely on taken away from them to pay for a rich mans caused recession, and politicians are talking about shared sacrifice.

Highlighting the lack of justice, does not absolve a this woman of a theft of government funds, but everyone in the country is against this woman, whilst very few of us are even aware that there is another side to this.

Well, I can't comment on how much it's discussed over there, but here people are far more outraged and angry at our government and their expenses and our bankers and us having to be bailed out because of them, then benefit cheats.

[Jesus.]

Well, I can't comment on how much it's discussed over there, but here people are far more outraged and angry at our government and their expenses and our bankers and us having to be bailed out because of them, then benefit cheats.

We have good ol' Rupert Murdochs press over here, constantly forcing "dole scroungers/benefit cheats/single mums/muslims" down our throats.

The bailouts were completely necessary at the time that they happened, but I bet you've never seen one item on the news/in a newspaper about the money that rich people cost, by avoiding paying what they are legally obliged to pay.

[Kizzy]

Well, I can't comment on how much it's discussed over there, but here people are far more outraged and angry at our government and their expenses and our bankers and us having to be bailed out because of them, then benefit cheats.

Haha, you would think so here too right?...nope theres always a scapegoat. Look for the spin, google 'a good day to bury bad news' you will get what i mean.

[Niamh.]

We have good ol' Rupert Murdochs press over here, constantly forcing "dole scroungers/benefit cheats/single mums/muslims" down our throats.

The bailouts were completely necessary at the time that they happened, but I bet you've never seen one item on the news/in a newspaper about the money that rich people cost, by avoiding paying what they are legally obliged to pay.

I understand your points and I agree with them as well, I just don't think it excuses people like that women in the news story. I dislike anyone who makes my tax bill higher, I don't discriminate :joker:

[Jesus.]

I understand your points and I agree with them as well, I just don't think it excuses people like that women in the news story. I dislike anyone who makes my tax bill higher, I don't discriminate :joker:

I agree, but the link from this woman to your taxes being increased, is more than a little tenuous.

[Niamh.]

I agree, but the link from this woman to your taxes being increased, is more than a little tenuous.

Well, it's non existent really as she's British :laugh: but seriously, I hear what you're saying but it's more than just that, it's annoying as well, when I have to work for everything I have,I can't just stay home and look after my kids like she does, and I'm pretty much paying her to do it.

[Kizzy]

And lets never mention multinationals or corporate tax either.

[thesheriff443]

a good man goes no where in politics!

[waterhog]

this is a great story and well done sun - what i am so sad with was - to find out i was one of the fathers lol

[Kizzy]

this is a great story and well done sun - what i am so sad with was - to find out i was one of the fathers lol

Haha hey joe 1000 crazy mad posts! keep up the good work! :)

[waterhog]

thanks kizzy - never new that untill you pointed it out to me - thank you miss - i am just behind you - check your review mirror and make sure i dont over take lol