66 Year Old Single Woman Gives Birth to Twin Boys after IVF Treatment

[Ammi]

A single woman of 66 has given birth to twins after undergoing IVF with donor eggs.

The unnamed Swiss woman, a retired pastor, had the treatment in the Ukraine and delivered her sons, Joshua and Michael, by Caesarean section two weeks ago. She and her babies are still in hospital under observation in Chur.

The mother - who will be 84 when her boys turn 18 - is quoted in the newspaper SonntagsBlick as saying: "It's incredible what medicine can do nowadays. I want to enjoy this event now in peace."

The fact the woman was able to have IVF treatment has caused outrage among some campaigners. One writer in Swiss newspaper Le Matin accused her of "selfishness" and "irresponsibility" and claimed the boys would their spend teens ensuring their mother had a place in an old people's home.

Josephine Quintavalle from Comment on Reproductive Ethics told The Sun that we 'had to learn to say no to these women'. She claimed that a 66 year old having a baby 'distorts nature' and that we have created a sense that 'everybody has a right to have a child, no matter what age.'


"No one should consider IVF after they have passed the natural menopause," Josephine added.

The mother, who lives in Gruesch, Switzerland, where it is ILLEGAL to have a donor egg implanted, also faced condemnation from one of her neighbours who branded her 'selfish', telling reporters: "It's pure selfishness and not good for the children."

Lorenz Casutt-Peng, the woman's local deputy mayor, however was supportive, saying: "Children are our future and it's a good thing that the children and their mother are doing well."

[Ninastar]

disgusting

[Tom4784]

It is quite selfish really since the kids will probably end up having to care for their mother when they are still young. I just hope that the mother has a good family to support her and her sons in case the worst happens when the children are still young.

[Marc]

Selfish comes to mind, but who are we to pass judgement, over half of us have never had a child.

She'll probably die before her kids hit 10 years old. Which is sad.

[Ninastar]

Selfish comes to mind, but who are we to pass judgement, over half of us have never had a child.

She'll probably die before her kids hit 10 years old. Which is sad.
you don't have to have a kid to know that it's selfish

she'd be an unfit mother at that age. I don't think it's right to have kids if you aren't able to do the best for them

[MTVN]

It's not all that rare for kids to be brought up my grandparents, and it's not all that rare for people to be able to live independently until well into their 90's, if she's a good Mum and she's healthy I don't think it's that disgusting

[Z]

She's in her sixties, she's not knocking on death's door if she just managed to give birth through IVF for goodness' sake. I'm not sure where I stand on the issue, but I think it's important to point out that plenty of unfit mothers pass their newborn children onto their parents, the grandparents of this child, who are in many cases a similar age, perhaps older than this woman. Plenty of people have been raised by their grandparents - and plenty of people are healthy their whole lives, not everyone becomes frail in their old age. We don't know enough about this woman's health to be able to judge properly, IMO. I do think it's irresponsible at that age when you consider all the potential problems, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[Z]

It's not all that rare for kids to be brought up my grandparents, and it's not all that rare for people to be able to live independently until well into their 90's, if she's a good Mum and she's healthy I don't think it's that disgusting

:laugh: You managed to make the same points I did in about half as many words, and more effectively. I think I'm in love with you MTVN :lovedup:

[GypsyGoth]

I think that's too old and kinda gross.

[MTVN]

:laugh: You managed to make the same points I did in about half as many words, and more effectively. I think I'm in love with you MTVN :lovedup:

The feeling is mutual

[Vicky.]

Oh great. Chances are the kids will end up with no parent at 14 or something. Maybe even in the next few years.

What on earth posesses a woman of that age to do that :bored:

I dont mean to sound all judgemental...even though I know I do sound that way, but this is just plain wrong :/

[Jesus.]

The rumours are that Wayne Rooney offered to impregnate her the "normal" way, if she'd just hold off till she was a bit older.


True story. :idc:

[Z]

The feeling is mutual

-starts booking wedding planners-

[Me. I Am Salman]

She's giving life
Hardly selfish

[Marc]

Can't imagine she needed to push much during the birth :idc:

[Marc]

DAMN! Caesarean section LOL

[Kizzy]

Its her life and her body, im guessing she maintains herself better than most so theres no reason for her not to live a long healthy life. the only worry i have is after menopause its natures way of saying 'thats it' it is playing god...so im split

[Jesus.]

Can't imagine she needed to push much during the birth :idc:

Be like a water slide. Also on the plus side, women generally **** themselves whilst giving birth, this woman will be completely prepared for that.

[Jesus.]

Its her life and her body, im guessing she maintains herself better than most so theres no reason for her not to live a long healthy life. the only worry i have is after menopause its natures way of saying 'thats it' it is playing god...so im split

So will she be in 9 months.

[Marc]

So will she be in 9 months.

She wont be split, she'll be dead. :idc:

[Kizzy]

my sides remain unsplit....*gunter*

[Ammi]

I'm not really sure how I feel about this..there are parents who completely mess it up, young parents, who will have many years to screw up their kids lives successfully and perhaps this woman can only give her children a fraction of those years..but those years may be an amazing foundation for their lives.
I don't know anything about her and I trust there was good reason why she was given IVF, based on her lifestyle, character, health etc...and she is a single parent so I don't know what other family suport there is.
..the impact on her chilren's lives when she dies will be huge, yes, and there is a good chance they will be at a 'vulnerable' age when that happens..but it happens with young parents too

[Niamh.]

you don't have to have a kid to know that it's selfish

she'd be an unfit mother at that age. I don't think it's right to have kids if you aren't able to do the best for them

This. It's incredibly selfish to bring children into the world like that.

[Jesus.]

On the plus side, she can let the kid sit on the floor whilst she stands up, and still breast feed.

[Niamh.]

On the plus side, she can let the kid sit on the floor whilst she stands up, and still breast feed.

Ew :nono:

[bbfan1991]

Selfish to bring children in the world at that age when she will not be around to see it grow up, however, it is her choice and I hope she has a good support network to help her with looking after them.

[Novo]

**** sake what a horrible thing to read

[thesheriff443]

its wrong on one hand, but on the other she has given these babies life what they make of it is up to them like it is with all of us,you can have the best parents in the world and turn out to be murderer!

[Niamh.]

its wrong on one hand, but on the other she has given these babies life what they make of it is up to them like it is with all of us,you can have the best parents in the world and turn out to be murderer!

It is pretty selfish though, she was doing it for herself not for kids that didn't and would never have existed, if she wanted to do some thing good for children she could have adopted an older child who would have really benefited from having a good home and would find it difficult to get one.

[thesheriff443]

we could say and often do that some people who have kids should not be allowed to,for the most part these people are of a younger age,

[Niamh.]

we could say and often do that some people who have kids should not be allowed to,for the most part these people are of a younger age,

That's true but alot of those times it wasn't planned, where as she actually went and had treatment to get her pregnant. I know alot of people don't have ideal parents but this woman, no matter how fit and healthy she is now is very old to be having children and in all likelihood won't be around for very much of their lives, she knew this but did it anyway, which I think is a selfish choice to make.

[thesheriff443]

in third world countries women have child after child only to watch them die of starvation or disease,

[Jesus.]

in third world countries women have child after child only to watch them die of starvation or disease,

Over here, we have TV's.

[Niamh.]

in third world countries women have child after child only to watch them die of starvation or disease,

Well, that's a different topic altogether, It doesn't make her right because of that imo.

[arista]

Oh great. Chances are the kids will end up with no parent at 14 or something. Maybe even in the next few years.

What on earth posesses a woman of that age to do that :bored:

I dont mean to sound all judgemental...even though I know I do sound that way, but this is just plain wrong :/


She got a Buzz.


I hope we see her older

[Jesus.]

She got a Buzz.


I hope we see her older

If she would have just settled for the "buzz," then she wouldn't be pregnant.

[thesheriff443]

its all on they same subject about giving berth based on an indivuals cercumstances and wether we as individuals agree with it,

[Niamh.]

its all on they same subject about giving berth based on an indivuals cercumstances and wether we as individuals agree with it,

It's not really the same subject at all, the big difference being she got treatment to make herself become pregnant when there's no possible way she would have become pregnant at her age otherwise. And I don't see how comparing this situation to one you consider worse, some how makes it alright. That's a bit like saying That guy killing his mother isn't that bad cos the guy down the road killed both his parents :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

at the end of the day you strongly disagree with her,but i dont think its the end of the word,i was trying to compare situations that i consider worse that hers,but its all good,

[Niamh.]

at the end of the day you strongly disagree with her,but i dont think its the end of the word,i was trying to compare situations that i consider worse that hers,but its all good,

Well, there's always something worse then everything else, it's not the end of the world no, but I think it was a selfish choice for her to make.

[thesheriff443]

il agree with you if it will make you day happier,lol

[Ammi]

I'm presuming that she was 'vetted' and all circumstances were taken into consideration, her age being a huge factor, before being given IVF and this is not just a crazy expiriment. So long as that is the case, I think that life is better than no life and that there are circumstances around herself and her family unit that have led to this decision.

[Niamh.]

il agree with you if it will make you day happier,lol

Well, that did make me smile so you have succeeded ;)

[thesheriff443]

she might of went private,

[fruit_cake]

tbf to her, those kids don't have any other option, it's either be born to her, or not be born at all so I think it's ok.

[thesheriff443]

Well, that did make me smile so you have succeeded ;)

well a smile is good but lets go further,

what a selfishb*tch she is, never should be allowed,lol:joker:

[Niamh.]

well a smile is good but lets go further,

what a selfishb*tch she is, never should be allowed,lol:joker:

:laugh2:

[Shaun]

The "chances are they'll be orphans in 10 years" point seems quite irrelevant to me. Maybe a pair of 20yo parents will be hit by a train a week after their firstborn is brought into the world. Maybe she'll live to be 90. Who gives a toss about 'chances', just give her one :shrug: