shalebrity views

[Kizzy]

If you are famous why are you not allowed to have your own view? Today in many papers Morrissey has been berated for his stance on Argentina.
Where is it written that those in the public eye have to toe the line?
I have more respect for those who do not sell out their values for a record deal or endorsments, but what are your thoughts?
Here is one article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/10/debate-morrissey-national-treasure

[Shaun]

in this case he's a bit of an attention-seeker tbh. I admire him and everything but there's just an annoying sense of self-entitlement about everything he says.

[Livia]

Everyone's allowed a view, but using your position in this way is a bit self-indulgent. The trouble with people like Morrissey taking up a cause like this is that some of his fans will suddenly agree with him and back him without being able to point to Argentina on a map.

[Kizzy]

You could argue that newspapers have the same influence though.... He doesn't have a 'position' he is not a teacher or a polititian, he is a singer.

[Livia]

By his position, I mean that he is a celebrity. I love U2, one of my favourite bands ever, but when Bono goes off on one I think he looks like a tool.

[Benjamin]

Bono frustrates me when he goes off on one.

[Kizzy]

And... why are people who sing subject to scrutiny, Why should they have to adhere to the majority?
If you dont agree with his take on issues, it doesen't mean he is any less of a singing talent does it?
Or that they are not intelligent enough to have a reasoned arguement to support what they say due to the fact they are singers.

[Shaun]

Because they're using their fame as a soap box. They got famous because they're musicians, not because of what they think you should be doing for Ethiopia. It reeks of condescension and, let's face it, they could donate a lot more than they do.

I totally respect them whenever they bring a plight to the fore, but the majority of the time they're using already-well-known disasters and tragedies to appear philanthropic when in reality it's most likely a bit of publicity.

[Kizzy]

That may be true of some shaun but not morrissey. That is why it feels unjustified to me he has never bought into the establishment therefore his fanbase are aware of his social and political leanings. It is only when the media are fighting so hard to sway opinion they chose to discredit him.... I find that odd

Were you refering to 'Sir' Bob Geldof in your post btw? :)

[Ammi]

..I was going to write a post here..and I would have probably put it differently...but this Guardian quote condenses it down nicely....

'I think he's just allowed himself to become as much of a tosspot as he thinks everyone else is'

[Kizzy]

Why would the guardian suggest that Morrissey thinks people are 'tosspots'?
And im sure he wouldn't care that a journalist called him a 'tosspot' directly or indirectly.

[Scarlett.]

They give their views, the general public and press gives their views back. That's how **** works.

[Kizzy]

Oh is THAT how **** works? i had no idea how **** worked! thats ok then i can rest easy now i am not ignorant as to how **** works...Phew, to think i have gone on so long in this life unaware of how **** worked.
Well my view is, their view is a huge pile of excrement.

[Marc]

Morrisey is a knob.

Music wise aside.

[Scarlett.]

Oh is THAT how **** works? i had no idea how **** worked! thats ok then i can rest easy now i am not ignorant as to how **** works...Phew, to think i have gone on so long in this life unaware of how **** worked.
Well my view is, their view is a huge pile of excrement.

Well there you go.

[Kizzy]

Morrisey is a knob.

Music wise aside.

Define knob...:)

[Roy Mars III]

Morrisey is a great guy, but i do think he can go over the top with all this stuff.

[Livia]

And... why are people who sing subject to scrutiny, Why should they have to adhere to the majority?
If you dont agree with his take on issues, it doesen't mean he is any less of a singing talent does it?
Or that they are not intelligent enough to have a reasoned arguement to support what they say due to the fact they are singers.

I think I've said what my feelings are on this. I'm not going to kick this one around till it dies.

[Kizzy]

I think I've said what my feelings are on this. I'm not going to kick this one around till it dies.

Thankyou for your input then, and for bumping the thread, maybe it won't die for a little while ...In the meantime here is some music
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[Livia]

...In the meantime here is some music...

In the loosest possible sense of the word.

[Niall]

I don't think it's the case of them not being allowed a view, but more of the case that their views are something so public that they're going to be debated fiercely? Maybe I worded that wrong.. but I think that their views and opinions are subject to much more scrutiny than the average person and therefore susceptible to an incredible amount of backlash. So I think it's not that they're not allowed a view, but that their views are far more publicly discussed if you follow me?

[Kizzy]

In the loosest possible sense of the word.
Is that one not to your liking livia? well while the thread gasps for air how about this one?
9AlH2oYedfk

[Roy Mars III]

no one better than The Smiths

[Kizzy]

I don't think it's the case of them not being allowed a view, but more of the case that their views are something so public that they're going to be debated fiercely? Maybe I worded that wrong.. but I think that their views and opinions are subject to much more scrutiny than the average person and therefore susceptible to an incredible amount of backlash. So I think it's not that they're not allowed a view, but that their views are far more publicly discussed if you follow me?

Its a good thing that it is at least debated, and we are not just spoon fed facts. If there is a backlash then great, it brings it to the attention of more people.
It may not be a popular view, it may not be the majority view, but no one can deny him his right to say how he feels...The media reacting with personal insults is wrong imo.

[Livia]

Is that one not to your liking livia? well while the thread gasps for air how about this one?


Why should the thread be gasping for air? You're always insisting everyone should be able to express their opinion. I am not a fan, and as far as I know it's not compulsory to be one.

[Kizzy]

Why should the thread be gasping for air? You're always insisting everyone should be able to express their opinion. I am not a fan, and as far as I know it's not compulsory to be one.

You are of course. but im confused, you are not a fan of his opinions, or his music or both?

[Livia]

You are of course. but im confused, you are not a fan of his opinions, or his music or both?


I'm not a fan of hearing the views of any musician, in the same way I wouldn't want politicians doing music reviews or footballers telling me about how scientific breakthroughs might affect me. Coincidentally, I am not a fan of Morrissey or of the Smiths.

[Kizzy]

I see.. so it doesen't matter what they say, or wether you agree with it or not but purely the fact that they are musicians that you oppose their views?
And that the only people who should have any credence on political issues are polititians?

[Niall]

Its a good thing that it is at least debated, and we are not just spoon fed facts. If there is a backlash then great, it brings it to the attention of more people.
It may not be a popular view, it may not be the majority view, but no one can deny him his right to say how he feels...The media reacting with personal insults is wrong imo.

I thin the personal insult thing is to be expected though. Like things get exaggerated in the public eye and such, so the reaction from the media is going to be amplified. Insults are more easily thrown at the famous because people won't likely have to deal with the other person taking them up on it if you get me?

[Kizzy]

At least you can be aware it is his view, and not just spin that will win votes :)

[Livia]

I see.. so it doesen't matter what they say, or wether you agree with it or not but purely the fact that they are musicians that you oppose their views?
And that the only people who should have any credence on political issues are polititians?

Sigh... That isn't quite what I said. I neither support nor oppose his views, I'm just not interested in what he has to say. You think Morrissey has credence simply because he's not a politician? He's in the unique position of being able to air any view that pops into his head and because he's famous and his fans will immediately take up the banner. Just because he isn't a politician doesn't make him right.

[InOne]

Moz is a legend and anything he says is law

[Kizzy]

Sigh... That isn't quite what I said. I neither support nor oppose his views, I'm just not interested in what he has to say. You think Morrissey has credence simply because he's not a politician? He's in the unique position of being able to air any view that pops into his head and because he's famous and his fans will immediately take up the banner. Just because he isn't a politician doesn't make him right.

Why are you sighing? To be fair that is exactly what you said, and i did not state morrissey had credence did I?
Im just defending his right to free speech, are you suggesting that those who support a musician will automatically agree with their opinion on any given subject... Why would you think that?
I am aware he is not a politician, and in no part in my posts have i said he is right, on the flip side as we all know all to well just because you are a politician everything you say is right either.
Or indeed the truth.

[Livia]

Why are you sighing? To be fair that is exactly what you said, and i did not state morrissey had credence did I?
Im just defending his right to free speech, are you suggesting that those who support a musician will automatically agree with their opinion on any given subject... Why would you think that?
I am aware he is not a politician, and in no part in my posts have i said he is right, on the flip side as we all know all to well just because you are a politician everything you say is right either.
Or indeed the truth.

I'm going to refer you back to post 18.

[thesheriff443]

nice to see two mature women getting stuck in,lol

[Kizzy]

I'm going to refer you back to post 18.

No no livia no backtracking your not in the commons now dear....haha

[Jords]

nice to see two mature women getting stuck in,lol

:laugh2:

[Livia]

No no livia no backtracking your not in the commons now dear....haha

Kizzy, I would appreciate it if you didn't call me dear, and if you didn't bring everything back to the fact I work in politics. It's rude. And I will backtrack if I wish, because you obviously don't read what I post.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy, I would appreciate it if you didn't call me dear, and if you didn't bring everything back to the fact I work in politics. It's rude. And I will backtrack if I wish, because you obviously don't read what I post.

Livia i was only being lighthearted, I did read what you posted the fact that you work in politics has relevance to this thread,but dont feel i have made an issue of it. Im not sure what you found rude in anything I have said, if you point it out I will try to explain.