Most & Least Favourite Survivor Seasons?

[Marc]

What is your favourite season of Survivor?

And what is your least favourite season?

[Roy Mars III]

Time for the greatest player ever Brain Heidik to return

[lostalex]

Time for the greatest player ever Brain Heidik to return

no, the greatest player was Parvati Shallow :pat:

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[SoBig]

no, the greatest player was Parvati Shallow :pat:

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Not even the best female Survivor ever.

[SoBig]

If people have any sense then they'll vote off Colton after the merge or pre-merge.

He's a snake and he's very manipulative, which usually doesn't get rewarded in the end too well (Russell) but I have always thought that's what makes a worthy winner.
Russell definitely should have won. Especially for what he did in Samoa.

If Colton can manipulate his way to the end, then yeah he should win.

[Marc]

Parvati was brilliant

[Marc]

Russell definitely should have won. Especially for what he did in Samoa.

If Colton can manipulate himself to the end, then yeah he should win.

I agree Natalie didn't deserve to win

[SoBig]

Parvati was brilliant
Cirie was better. If it wasn't for that final twist at the end she would have won FvF.

[lostalex]

Not even the best female Survivor ever.

The greatest HUMAN ever. :cat:

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[lostalex]

Cirie was better. If it wasn't for that final twist at the end she would have won FvF.

Cirie couldn't win a toy from a cracker jack box, gimme a break... *sigh*

[Marc]

Cirie was better. If it wasn't for that final twist at the end she would have won FvF.

How so? She was no tactical and she really didn't excel in the challenges.

Yes she could have won because people felt sorry for her and she had a family etc. she could provide for. But it's better game play to actually get rid of her, like Amanda did.

[Marc]

Though it was catch 22 with Amanda, taking Parvati would have lost her the game (which it did) and taking Cirie would have lost it her.

[Marc]

Parvati not winning H. vs. V angers me.

[lostalex]

Parvati not winning H. vs. V angers me.

ditto. Sanda (although good entertainment) was the most worthless player ever. She floated by in both her seasons. She did NOTHING but make sarcastic comments and skate by in BOTH of her seasons.

I love Sandra, but her wins really cheapen the game. REAL PLAYERS should win the game, imo.

[SoBig]

Cirie couldn't win a toy from a cracker jack box, gimme a break... *sigh*


How so? She was no tactical and she really didn't excel in the challenges.

Yes she could have won because people felt sorry for her and she had a family etc. she could provide for. But it's better game play to actually get rid of her, like Amanda did.

Are you kidding me!?!?!

Cirie was the brains behind the whole female's alliance. Parvatti stared it, thats all she did.

Getting rid of Ozzy was all Cirie, getting Erik to give up the immunity necklace was all Cirie. The list goes on and on.

Everything that went down was because of Cirie.

I hated Cirie for backstabbing Ozzy. So I'm not even a fan of hers.

You guys need to watch FvF over again.

[SoBig]

Though it was catch 22 with Amanda, taking Parvati would have lost her the game (which it did) and taking Cirie would have lost it her.
Cirie was a LOCK TO WIN. Amanda would only have gotten Ozzy's vote.

[SoBig]

Parvati not winning H. vs. V angers me.
Parvatt was AMAZING in HvV. She played a MUCH better game in HvV than she did in FvF.

[SoBig]

Cirie was also behind Jason getting voted out.

[Marc]

Are you kidding me!?!?!

Cirie was the brains behind the whole female's alliance. Parvatti stared it, thats all she did.

Getting rid of Ozzy was all Cirie, getting Erik to give up the immunity necklace was all Cirie. The list goes on and on.

Everything that went down was because of Cirie.

I hated Cirie for backstabbing Ozzy. So I'm not even a fan of hers.

You guys need to watch FvF over again.

She was still going to vote off Amanda in the episode where Alexis was blindsided (amazing move by Amanda :love:)

So she wasn't entirely the brains behind the alliance, because she was going to betray it :shrug:

[Marc]

Cirie was a LOCK TO WIN. Amanda would only have gotten Ozzy's vote.

Ozzy still would have voted Cirie.

[Roy Mars III]

no, the greatest player was Parvati Shallow :pat:

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:joker: no

[Marc]

Sexiest player was Parv.

[Roy Mars III]

Hmm...Amanda is sexier .

I would say that Cirie or Brian were the best. Brian was on probably the most boring season of survivor so he doesn't get recognized like he should. Really he is the biggest villain to ever win the game. The guy was a total douche, but hid it well enough that he still could win. A hero if there ever was one.

Cirie is the best player to never win, and is underrated by many. She was brilliant

[Marc]

I'd say Amanda was probably one of the best to never win, or Ozzy. But I think Cirie was much better in FvF

[Marc]

...than in her original season.. I want to say Panama?

[Roy Mars III]

Amanda might have won twice, if she could actually put together a decent final tribal speech.

[Marc]

Yeah :laugh: China was awful though, such a bad season IMO. And probably the worst winner

[Roy Mars III]

I liked Todd, I can not stand Courtney though. Probably my least favourite player after Sandra and Rupert.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Time for the greatest player ever Brain Heidik to return

Yes, the greatest player ever who managed to only beat CLAY of all people by one vote :joker:

[Marc]

oh god, Courtney.

So annoying.. her and Sugar are in the same boat. The boat I'd like to sink.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Russell definitely should have won. Especially for what he did in Samoa.

If Colton can manipulate his way to the end, then yeah he should win.

What did Russell do that was deserving to win, willingly take Natalie, someone who he acknowledged as a social threat, to the merge? :joker: Please, Russell is his own downfall.

[Marc]

every winner other than Tom had flaws and pros..

[Macie Lightfoot]

ditto. Sanda (although good entertainment) was the most worthless player ever. She floated by in both her seasons. She did NOTHING but make sarcastic comments and skate by in BOTH of her seasons.

I love Sandra, but her wins really cheapen the game. REAL PLAYERS should win the game, imo.

Well considering that a good amount of these "real players" don't realize that your social interactions will come back and haunt you at the end of it all, they don't deserve to win. If you don't understand one of the fundamental, inherent rules of Survivor, you've already lost.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Parvatt was AMAZING in HvV. She played a MUCH better game in HvV than she did in FvF.

:joker: Parvati sealed her own fate in HvV too. As much as people say it was AMAZING for her to give the two HIIs to Jerri and Sandra, it had REALLY bad long term effects for her.

[SoBig]

I'd say Amanda was probably one of the best to never win, or Ozzy. But I think Cirie was much better in FvF
Look I'm a HUGE Ozzy fan. My favourite player ever and its not even close, but there is no way in hell that Ozzy is a better player that Cirie.

Cirie is top 4 hands down.

[SoBig]

Yeah :laugh: China was awful though, such a bad season IMO. And probably the worst winner
Todd was a good player.

[SoBig]

What did Russell do that was deserving to win, willingly take Natalie, someone who he acknowledged as a social threat, to the merge? :joker: Please, Russell is his own downfall.

He lacked the social aspect of Survivor. Thats why he lost.

He was down in numbers 4-8 and carried his alliance to the final 5.

[SoBig]

:joker: Parvati sealed her own fate in HvV too. As much as people say it was AMAZING for her to give the two HIIs to Jerri and Sandra, it had REALLY bad long term effects for her.

Not really. Not her fault that people can't take getting beat.

[Marc]

:laugh: we'll all agree to disagree then!

[SharkAttack]

:laugh: we'll all agree to disagree then!

To hell with that! http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp32/sharkattack_torrential/sFun_tease2.gif

[Marc]

:laugh: alright, then you must agree with me or I will ban you!

:evilgrin:

[LemonJam]

I agree Natalie didn't deserve to win

I don't understand how people STILL don't think Natalie should've won. Her game was pretty flawless IMO.

Parvati not winning H. vs. V angers me.

agree on this however :p

Yeah :laugh: China was awful though, such a bad season IMO. And probably the worst winner

China's my favourite season I hate you now.

oh god, Courtney.

So annoying.. her and Sugar are in the same boat. The boat I'd like to sink.

oh jesus Marc you're killing me now. s0b

[Macie Lightfoot]

He lacked the social aspect of Survivor. Thats why he lost.

He was down in numbers 4-8 and carried his alliance to the final 5.

Um let's look at Russell's own words when he voted Liz off...

"Liz is so stupid, I don't even see how she can walk without fallin' down. It's just ridiculous. If we merge, we need somebody on the inside, and Natalie's doin' a good job talkin' to Laura around the camp."

So basically, Russell keeps the biggest social threat in the game and you're saying he deserved to win? Galu HATED Russell and it was clearly obvious. Russell did nothing to change it, he didn't think that was important. Even when Monica told him that he needs to put people on the Jury who will vote for him, he said he doesn't think so. He'll get to the end 100 times and never win. Anyone would LOVE to go to the end with him because he'd never win, he's the perfect goat. It's a lost cause to try to defend how he deserves to win.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Not really. Not her fault that people can't take getting beat.

Um it IS her fault. Clearly Russell's volatile, abrasive, and needs to feel like he's in control. Parvati might've thought it was fun to show Russell who was boss, but all it really did was jump start a giant game of screw your buddy. They spent the rest of the season trying to outdo each other and it led to both of their downfalls. Natalie knew that all she had to do was be social and get people to like her and she would win. I mean come on, it's Russell, it's not hard to beat him in a Final TC. However, Parvati wanted to take matters into her own hands and Russell wanted to get his revenge by getting Danielle out. Danielle's boot cost both of them the game, the only way one of Russell/Danielle/Parvati would win is if they were the F3. Any Hero or Sandra in there, they automatically win.

[SoBig]

Um let's look at Russell's own words when he voted Liz off...

"Liz is so stupid, I don't even see how she can walk without fallin' down. It's just ridiculous. If we merge, we need somebody on the inside, and Natalie's doin' a good job talkin' to Laura around the camp."

So basically, Russell keeps the biggest social threat in the game and you're saying he deserved to win? Galu HATED Russell and it was clearly obvious. Russell did nothing to change it, he didn't think that was important. Even when Monica told him that he needs to put people on the Jury who will vote for him, he said he doesn't think so. He'll get to the end 100 times and never win. Anyone would LOVE to go to the end with him because he'd never win, he's the perfect goat. It's a lost cause to try to defend how he deserves to win.
He got rid of Liz because she was starting to lose trust in Russell.

Why Natalie didn't deserve to win? Because she RODE Russell's back.

Let me ask you this. Lets say if Russell wasn't there, you honestly believe that Natalie would have made it to the finals when her tribe was down in numbers? The only reason she made it to the finals was because she was Russell's main ally.

Russell has shown that he can get to the finals once the players don't know his game. He made it to the finals in back to back seasons. That's ********* impressive.

Coming back from being down 4-8 is ********* impressive.

[SoBig]

Um it IS her fault. Clearly Russell's volatile, abrasive, and needs to feel like he's in control. Parvati might've thought it was fun to show Russell who was boss, but all it really did was jump start a giant game of screw your buddy. They spent the rest of the season trying to outdo each other and it led to both of their downfalls. Natalie knew that all she had to do was be social and get people to like her and she would win. I mean come on, it's Russell, it's not hard to beat him in a Final TC. However, Parvati wanted to take matters into her own hands and Russell wanted to get his revenge by getting Danielle out. Danielle's boot cost both of them the game, the only way one of Russell/Danielle/Parvati would win is if they were the F3. Any Hero or Sandra in there, they automatically win.
Parvati was more loyal to Danielle than she was to Russell. That's why he got rid of Danielle. It was the right move. It did get him to the final after all.

At least admit that Russell is a great manipulator and strategist. At least admit that.

[rk3388]

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

[rk3388]

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

[Macie Lightfoot]

He got rid of Liz because she was starting to lose trust in Russell.

Why Natalie didn't deserve to win? Because she RODE Russell's back.

Let me ask you this. Lets say if Russell wasn't there, you honestly believe that Natalie would have made it to the finals when her tribe was down in numbers? The only reason she made it to the finals was because she was Russell's main ally.

Russell has shown that he can get to the finals once the players don't know his game. He made it to the finals in back to back seasons. That's ********* impressive.

Coming back from being down 4-8 is ********* impressive.

He said it himself that he kept Natalie around so she could get in good with the other tribe. He acknowledged that she's a Jury threat and decided to keep her anyway. How can you say THAT makes him deserving of the win? Natalie saw the easiest and most straightforward way to win the game: hide behind Russell, the most unlikable person in the game. My god, the end of Samoa was obvious before the merge just with Russell choosing Natalie over Liz, that was the end all of all end alls. Just as Courtney and Sandra was a season later, Russell didn't learn from his mistake. Russell's game was self destructive. There's nothing impressive about making 40 alliances and backstabbing all of them. If you do that and think you even stand a chance at the Jury, you're a fool. There's no possible argument to say Russell played a good game when he shows many times that he lacks understand of the game's basics.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Parvati was more loyal to Danielle than she was to Russell. That's why he got rid of Danielle. It was the right move. It did get him to the final after all.

At least admit that Russell is a great manipulator and strategist. At least admit that.

It wasn't right at all, it was impulsive and a huge error, possibly his biggest ever. I can't stand when people call the Jurors bitter and butthurt because what does that make Russell? He's bitter he's out of Danielle/Parvati! I can't believe you think that was the right move, seriously it's foolish to think so. Instead of sticking in a powerful trio until the final three, he's going to break them apart. For no damn reason. There's no good, strategic reason Russell had behind this. He was just bitter. These are the only two people who even talk to him at this point, he NEEDS them (because he put himself in such a ****ty position but hey, that's a whole nother story.) If Parvati/Danielle are so close, does he really think he can turn them against each other? :joker: That's a ****ing joke, I'll tell you that. How can you even say this got Russell to the end and that he's a good strategist.

HE ASSEMBLED THE MOST BITTER, ANGRIEST, SPITEFUL JURY AGAINST HIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Coach - promised him F3, blindsided
Courtney - clearly hates Russell
JT - blindsided him after accepting a Hidden Immunity Idol
Amanda - blindsided randomly
Candice - promised her F3, blindsided almost immediately after
Danielle - the angriest, and most rightful of them all, I don't even need to explain
Rupert - called him a dumbass to his face and said that he doesn't give a **** about him, then promised him F3 and voted him off
Colby - promised F3 and voted off

Russell put THESE people on the Jury?! You've got to be ****ing kidding if you're saying he's a great strategist and he deserved to win. For ****'s sake, Russell was awful. How on Earth was it smart to get rid of Danielle? Russell got rid of a trusted ally and opened the game up for someone else to win. The only possible way himself, Parvati, or Danielle stood a chance of winning is if they were all against each other. Russell opened that door for a Hero/Sandra to get in there and win. That's exactly what happened. Voting out Danielle was seriously the dumbest move he's made, if not one of the dumbest ever made. It's a lost cause to try and defend it.
Jerri - explicitly said that she wasn't in the trio, promised her F3 later

[Macie Lightfoot]

RUSSELL HAD A BETTER CHANCE WITH NATALIE THAN PRETTY MUCH ANYONE ELSE.
If he brought jayson i think he would of won, and if he brought someone from the other tribe to f3 it would be 100% them winning, not a single chance

Really? :joker: He had a better chance with the biggest social butterfly in a social game? He had the best chance to win when going against the girl who he noticed GETS IN SOCIALLY WITH THE OTHER TRIBE?! :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker: Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.

[Roy Mars III]

Favourite: Heroes v.s. Villains (only bad thing about it was the winner)

Least: Fiji (I liked Yau-Man but everything else was terrible. Especially when Dreamz when back on his promise. Earl was a good player, but probably also the most boring winner ever. Also just a boring season in general, really)

[rk3388]

favorite: survivor australian outback.
Least: Survivor South Pacific

[Marc]

Most: FvF and HvV

Least: Palau, Fiji

[swinearefine]

Most: China or Pearl Islands
Least: Samoa

Haven't seen Redemption Island or South Pacific (and never will)

[LemonJam]

Faves:
1. Pearl Islands
2. China
3. Panama
4. Vanuatu
5. Gabon

Least:
1. Redemption Island
2. Palau
3. Fiji
4. Thailand
5. Samoa

[SoBig]

He said it himself that he kept Natalie around so she could get in good with the other tribe. He acknowledged that she's a Jury threat and decided to keep her anyway. How can you say THAT makes him deserving of the win? Natalie saw the easiest and most straightforward way to win the game: hide behind Russell, the most unlikable person in the game. My god, the end of Samoa was obvious before the merge just with Russell choosing Natalie over Liz, that was the end all of all end alls. Just as Courtney and Sandra was a season later, Russell didn't learn from his mistake. Russell's game was self destructive. There's nothing impressive about making 40 alliances and backstabbing all of them. If you do that and think you even stand a chance at the Jury, you're a fool. There's no possible argument to say Russell played a good game when he shows many times that he lacks understand of the game's basics.
Answer my question.

Let me ask you this. Lets say if Russell wasn't there, you honestly believe that Natalie would have made it to the finals when her tribe was down in numbers?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well one can't say for sure because if Russell wasn't there, Natalie would have a different strategy, whatever it may be. But Natalie's social game was superb, far ahead of anyone else in Samoa. She integrated herself well within Galu, having a back up plan with a female alliance and having a say in Erik's boot. Natalie definitely held her own and it wasn't all because of Russell.

[Marc]

I just watched parvati's double hidden immunity idol play, it's so good!!! Every single time I love it!

[SoBig]

Favourite: Cook Islands, Heroes vs Villians, Samoa and South Pacific.

Least: Borneo, The Australian Outback and Gabon

[SoBig]

Well one can't say for sure because if Russell wasn't there, Natalie would have a different strategy, whatever it may be. But Natalie's social game was superb, far ahead of anyone else in Samoa. She integrated herself well within Galu, having a back up plan with a female alliance and having a say in Erik's boot. Natalie definitely held her own and it wasn't all because of Russell.
Had everything to do with Russell. She was his lap dog. Russell controlled his own fate, Natalie didn't. Everyone that Russell wanted voted off, went home in both HvV and Samoa. He controlled the whole game.

If Russell wasn't there Natalie would have been one of the first to go.

Natalie wasn't a terrible player, but she wasn't a great one either.

[lostalex]

Look, stop arguing, Natalie was a weak player, that's WHY she made it to the final. Everyone knows that bringing a weak player to the final increases your chances of winning, and the the only reason that Natalie made the final was because Russell saw her as a weak player and thought "there's no way anyone would vote for her over me". So he CARRIED her to the end.

Obviously Russell underestimated the jury's hate for him. That jury would have voted for Osama Bin Laden over him they hated him so much.

[lostalex]

Favorite: season 16: Fans Vs. Favs
Worst: season 6: The Amazon

[Marc]

Might watch Samoa again

[Roy Mars III]

How can you dislike the Amazon?

Actually forgot about that one, probably me favourite season actually. Rob C. is one of the best

[lostalex]

Favourite: Cook Islands, Heroes vs Villians, Samoa and South Pacific.

Least: Borneo, The Australian Outback and Gabon

omg, australian outback basically DEFINED survivor for all seasons to come, it was good. and i know Gabon wasn't popular, but i rewatched it recently, and i think the funniest and best tribal council ever came from Gabon, the tribal where Crystal was screaming into the camera during the vote about how much she hated Randy, and then Randy looked all smug cause he thought he had an Immunity idol, but it turned out to be a fake idol and jeff threw it in the fire. OMG it was amazing. Also Bob was probably the most likable winner ever. He really was an amazing, intelligent, kind, decent man. I loved Bob!

[lostalex]

How can you dislike the Amazon?

Actually forgot about that one, probably me favourite season actually. Rob C. is one of the best

I was bored the whole time. no great characters.

[Marc]

I liked the game changing seasons. Samoa was great for the Shambo involvement and Russell/Natalie. I loved Cook Island for the multiethnic split and Exile Island for the.. Exile Island

[Roy Mars III]

omg, australian outback basically DEFINED survivor for all seasons to come, it was good. and i know Gabon wasn't popular, but i rewatched it recently, and i think the funniest and best tribal council ever came from Gabon, the tribal where Crystal was screaming into the camera during the vote about how much she hated Randy, and then Randy looked all smug cause he thought he had an Immunity idol, but it turned out to be a fake idol and jeff threw it in the fire. OMG it was amazing.

Gabon is a great season, with probably the second worst winner ever though

[lostalex]

x_S0uxBX9LE

lmao.

[Marc]

I've never seen so many differing views on a TV Show, even when BB is on people tend to understand each other

[Roy Mars III]

the fake idols thing was great, ill admit that, but Bob was so bad at the game overall though(well I guess not so bad, he did win lol). He just stumbled around being the old guy. Nice guy and all, but not a player I like. I like the morally bankrupt people who will stab anyone in the back to get ahead.

Randy, that evil lawyer lady, and Kenny were the heroes of the season

[SoBig]

Look, stop arguing, Natalie was a weak player, that's WHY she made it to the final. Everyone knows that bringing a weak player to the final increases your chances of winning, and the the only reason that Natalie made the final was because Russell saw her as a weak player and thought "there's no way anyone would vote for her over me". So he CARRIED her to the end.

Obviously Russell underestimated the jury's hate for him. That jury would have voted for Osama Bin Laden over him they hated him so much.
100% truth.

You finally made a post that I agree with. :shocked:

[Marc]

Crystal was a let down in Gabon, thought she'd own everything

[SoBig]

How can you dislike the Amazon?

Actually forgot about that one, probably me favourite season actually. Rob C. is one of the best
Amazon was a terrible season. Should have put that in my list actually.

[Roy Mars III]

she got busted for steroid use and lost all her medals as well.

[SoBig]

omg, australian outback basically DEFINED survivor for all seasons to come, it was good. and i know Gabon wasn't popular, but i rewatched it recently, and i think the funniest and best tribal council ever came from Gabon, the tribal where Crystal was screaming into the camera during the vote about how much she hated Randy, and then Randy looked all smug cause he thought he had an Immunity idol, but it turned out to be a fake idol and jeff threw it in the fire. OMG it was amazing. Also Bob was probably the most likable winner ever. He really was an amazing, intelligent, kind, decent man. I loved Bob!
I just hate seasons where they aren't a lot of game play. There was never really any power shifts. Gabon wasn't terrible, but it was kind of boring. I liked Bob.

[Roy Mars III]

Amazon was a terrible season. Should have put that in my list actually.

Maybe I'm remembering it too highly, haven't seen it in years. Really like Rob C though, and his survivor podcast is great

[SoBig]

One thing I hate about Cook Islands. Yul had too much power with that idol. It was the most powerful idol ever. It carried him all the way to the finals. You couldn't even blindside him, because he could play the idol after the votes were counted. WTF

That bs cost Ozzy the win.

[lostalex]

she got busted for steroid use and lost all her medals as well.

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

[SoBig]

Maybe I'm remembering it too highly, haven't seen it in years. Really like Rob C though, and his survivor podcast is great

I watched it back in September, Rob C just flipped a lot. He wasn't some great mastermind. He even flipped when he didn't needed too. That's what cost him at the end. He wasn't even a better player than Fairplay.

[Roy Mars III]

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

that might of been it, not really sure

[Roy Mars III]

Penner is one of my favourite players ever. Totally forgot about him

[lostalex]

One thing I hate about Cook Islands. Yul had too much power with that idol. It was the most powerful idol ever. It carried him all the way to the finals. You couldn't even blindside him, because he could play the idol after the votes were counted. WTF

That bs cost Ozzy the win.


The problem with Ozzy is, he should have held his cards closer to his chest. Ozzy was mr. Tarzan all around camp and in all the challenges so he was obviously always the biggest threat, that was always Ozzy's problem, showing off too much and always putting a huge target on his back.

I love Ozzy, but that was always his biggest mistake, trying to show off his physical skills all the time, which made everyone else feel threatened.

[SoBig]

Penner is one of my favourite players ever. Totally forgot about him
Cook Islands had a great cast. Parvati, Ozzy, Yul, Penner and Candice.

And that old Asian dude. He was hilarious.

[SoBig]

The problem with Ozzy is, he should have held his cards closer to his chest. Ozzy was mr. Tarzan all around camp and in all the challenges so he was obviously always the biggest threat, that was always Ozzy's problem, showing off too much and always putting a huge target on his back.

I love Ozzy, but that was always his biggest mistake, trying to show off his physical skills all the time, which made everyone else feel threatened.
That didn't cost him in Cook Islands. He made it to the finals and lost by ONE VOTE. Adam said he wanted to vote for Ozzy, but he made a promise to Yul that he would vote for him if they voted off Penner first. But at the finals Ozzy said they were planning to vote off Penner anyway wasn't Yul's decision.

[lostalex]

Well exactly, in the end, because Yul was so well spoken and intelligent, they all saw Yul as being more of a mastermind, and more strategic, and they just saw Ozzy as the guy that got there through pure brute strength.

[swinearefine]

Favourite: Cook Islands, Heroes vs Villians, Samoa and South Pacific.

Least: Borneo, The Australian Outback and Gabon

This is the worst opinion I have ever seen.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I was bored the whole time. no great characters.

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

Marion Jones was for Sydney, Crystal was for Athens, but essentially the same thing happened (Crystal only ran in the prelims though.)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cook Islands had a great cast. Parvati, Ozzy, Yul, Penner and Candice.

And that old Asian dude. He was hilarious.

6/20 isn't great by any means. And Yul (and Ozzy) are very questionable to put in there as well. Parvati too, she never really hit her stride as a character until FvF

[Macie Lightfoot]

Had everything to do with Russell. She was his lap dog. Russell controlled his own fate, Natalie didn't. Everyone that Russell wanted voted off, went home in both HvV and Samoa. He controlled the whole game.

If Russell wasn't there Natalie would have been one of the first to go.

Natalie wasn't a terrible player, but she wasn't a great one either.

:joker: @ how this post has nothing to do with my point. Natalie saw right away that if you try to oppose Russell, he'll go to hell and back just to get you voted off. Happened with Marisa, happened with Betsy. She puffed Russell's ego up and as we clearly saw, it did him in at the end of it all. It's just ludicrous how someone can be "the best player to never win" by making alliances and haphazardly backstabbing them immediately after. If you think that'll get you votes in the end, you're delusional.

And no, Natalie wouldn't have. She was the most liked person in her tribe and without Russell, her strategy would've have been different because it involved Russell. Natalie created personal bonds with everyone she came across, nobody disliked her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Look, stop arguing, Natalie was a weak player, that's WHY she made it to the final. Everyone knows that bringing a weak player to the final increases your chances of winning, and the the only reason that Natalie made the final was because Russell saw her as a weak player and thought "there's no way anyone would vote for her over me". So he CARRIED her to the end.

Obviously Russell underestimated the jury's hate for him. That jury would have voted for Osama Bin Laden over him they hated him so much.

You pretty much just defined why Natalie isn't a week player :joker: She certainly came across as nonthreatening, but perception isn't reality. Certainly she's not the best player ever, but she's definitely the best of her season. She saw how the whole season would work right away and adapted to it. Russell had to beat 16 people, Natalie had to beat 1, and she did so rather easily at that. Russell could've taken Jaison, Mick, and Liz into the merge and maybe things would've been different. Natalie charmed the pants off of Russell and that's what makes her dangerous! Russell didn't see that, brought Natalie along, and what did she do? Charm the pants off of Galu.

You think Russell UNDERESTIMATED the Jury's hate for him? He was BLIND to it! How can someone be the best player ever if they could never, ever win a Jury vote. Like you said, they would've voted for Osama bin Laden over him. How does that make you a good player?

[rk3388]

troy stop being so patronizing your on an online forums ffs were not children :rolleyes:

[Macie Lightfoot]

troy stop being so patronizing your on an online forums ffs were not children :rolleyes:

How am I being patronizing? I'm stating the facts and if you can't see it, well that's your business. You said (in all caps, if you wanna talk about being childish) that Russell's best chance was against Natalie. Besides the fact that that's probably wrong, it shows how bad of a player Russell is if he brought the person he had the BEST chance of beating to the end and lost 7-2-0 :joker: But it's okay, he's Russell Hantz.

[rk3388]

"Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.
Ive been watching this show since kindergarten.
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[Macie Lightfoot]

"Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.
Ive been watching this show since kindergarten.
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Okay? That doesn't mean you're oh so knowledgeable on everything. Russell blew his chances before the merge. Go into the merge with whiny Jaison, pretentious (and feckless) Mick, and impersonal Liz? Seems like a pretty strong group of goats to me.

[SoBig]

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This is why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist and manipulator in the history of Survivor.

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Samoa

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WHO SAVED NATALIE THERE TROY!?!?!

If she was so good socially why was she on the chopping block? I thought she would charm her way to the end? Russell convinced people to flip their vote. He SAVED her. Natalie was going home. Same with Paravtii. He saved both of them.

You better respect that man.

[Roy Mars III]

the problem with Russell is his arrogance, that was his downfall. He might have had a chance if he would have kept that in check

[SharkAttack]

the problem with Russell is his arrogance, that was his downfall. He might have had a chance if he would have kept that in check

Totally agreed, his ferocious gameplay needs to leave room for people not completely despising him for what he's done. IMO, he could never win the show based on history alone. I think this is why Coach was doomed last season.

[SoBig]

But you guys do agree that he is a great player? He just lacks the social part.

[Marc]

Russell was amazing, but yeah his social game was poor. If the jury were to respect a good, deceitful player then he would (and IMO should) have won.

[Marc]

and I don't care about anybody else's opinion on him, because I know in my own mind that I'm right and if I were a juror then I would have voted Russell to win Samoa. You don't have to hate the person who stabbed you in the back, you vote for the best player

[Bluerang1]

and I don't care about anybody else's opinion on him, because I know in my own mind that I'm right and if I were a juror then I would have voted Russell to win Samoa. You don't have to hate the person who stabbed you in the back, you vote for the best player

But you preferred Sophie over Coach?

[Marc]

I did, I personally thought she played a great game.

[Marc]

She had a great balance of everything, she won things, she had a good social side.

Coach made too many deals and messed up big time with them.

When you have Russell, he was so blatently the best player in Samoa because of what he managed to do at tribals, blindsiding Kelly and getting Laura voted off and saving Natalie.

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist and manipulator in the history of Survivor.

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Samoa

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WHO SAVED NATALIE THERE TROY!?!?!

If she was so good socially why was she on the chopping block? I thought she would charm her way to the end? Russell convinced people to flip their vote. He SAVED her. Natalie was going home. Same with Paravtii. He saved both of them.

You better respect that man.

In regards to Tyson's boot, that wasn't a good move at all. You'll see this a lot with Russell's supposed "good moves," they're actually not good at all, but he lucks out when someone else makes a blunder. Russell had NOTHING to do with getting Tyson to switch his vote, it's all editing. Read any post-game interview. Basically Russell thought that Danielle and Parvati would vote Russell and Russell vote for Parvati, making it 5-4. He hoped that their alliance would turn on each other and from there switched his own vote to make Parvati go home, not Russell. And besides, just because Russell giving Parvati the HII worked doesn't mean it was smart at all. It's actually one of the dumber moves to happen. Right there, he essentially sacrificed himself for Parvati considering nothing else crazy would happen. If you know the vote is going to be 3-3-3 and you have a HII and you're getting votes, why wouldn't you use it on yourself? It worked for Russell but by no means does that make it smart.

There's nothing extraordinary about Kelly being voted off in Samoa either. Russell played an HII, big whoop. Others have done it before too and you don't hear about them being the greatest players to ever win. There's nothing special about someone playing an Idol when they're targeted. How that's rocket science is beyond me. But besides, Russell wasted a HII right before that in the F12 by telling everyone about it. Had he not done that, he would've had two Idols and would've been an even better position. Plus the whole Galu tribe is to blame after they had the clue and didn't capitalize on it, allowing Russell to find the second Idol.

Likewise, the rest of Galu didn't make it much of a secret that John was 5th in their tribe. He flipped to avoid the Purple Rock once it was clear that Dave/Monica/Laura/Brett were a solid group of four, but he went about it the wrong way by trying to get Russell to vote Mick out the next round in return. A lot of the credit Russell gets in Samoa comes down to the stupidity of Galu. They made a lot of careless mistakes left and right that really shouldn't have happened.

And no, I'm not going to respect that man because there's nothing to respect.

[Macie Lightfoot]

But you guys do agree that he is a great player? He just lacks the social part.

Let's look at some of the few blunders Russell's made:

-Sabotaging Foa Foa on the first night and telling a ridiculous string of lies for no reason
-Voting out Liz over Natalie
-Bragging about an HII for no reason and being forced to play it
-Voting out Shambo and Jaison over Mick and Natalie
-Making an unnecessary, unrealistic deal with Brett at F4
-Going to the end with Natalie

-Playing his HII on Parvati rather than himself
-Alienating himself, Parvati, and Danielle from the other Villains
-Saying in Tribal Council that he, Parvati, and Danielle are a tight threesome right after he took Jerri under his wing
-Voting out Coach and Courtney over Sandra
-Playing a HII at F9 for no reason except for spiting Parvati
-Believing the rock in Rupert's pocket
-Making deals with all the Heroes right before backstabbing them
-Voting out Candice right after promising her F3
-Targeting Danielle for no reason
-Making a F3 deal with Colby/Rupert
-Refusing to vote out Sandra

Mmhmm, best player to never win.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Russell was amazing, but yeah his social game was poor. If the jury were to respect a good, deceitful player then he would (and IMO should) have won.

:joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

and I don't care about anybody else's opinion on him, because I know in my own mind that I'm right and if I were a juror then I would have voted Russell to win Samoa. You don't have to hate the person who stabbed you in the back, you vote for the best player

Mhm, the ONLY reason the Jurors hated Russell was cause he backstabbed them, right? Nothing to do with horrendous personality or anything.

[SharkAttack]

and I don't care about anybody else's opinion on him, because I know in my own mind that I'm right and if I were a juror then I would have voted Russell to win Samoa. You don't have to hate the person who stabbed you in the back, you vote for the best player

This, all the way. Sour grapes isn't for the mature.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well if someone carried themselves in a respectable manner, then it wouldn't be an issue. Of course people are going to victimize Russell for always having to face bitter juries, but have you guys ever thought about it? A Jury is reactionary, based on what happens to them and to others. If you made the Jury hate you, that's your own fault. Nobody has ever won when the Jury hated their guts. A Jury's created by what happens to them during the game. Survivor's a social experiment, no Jury has ever been unfair.

[SoBig]

In regards to Tyson's boot, that wasn't a good move at all. You'll see this a lot with Russell's supposed "good moves," they're actually not good at all, but he lucks out when someone else makes a blunder. Russell had NOTHING to do with getting Tyson to switch his vote, it's all editing. Read any post-game interview. Basically Russell thought that Danielle and Parvati would vote Russell and Russell vote for Parvati, making it 5-4. He hoped that their alliance would turn on each other and from there switched his own vote to make Parvati go home, not Russell. And besides, just because Russell giving Parvati the HII worked doesn't mean it was smart at all. It's actually one of the dumber moves to happen. Right there, he essentially sacrificed himself for Parvati considering nothing else crazy would happen. If you know the vote is going to be 3-3-3 and you have a HII and you're getting votes, why wouldn't you use it on yourself? It worked for Russell but by no means does that make it smart.

It was all luck. Riiiiiiiiight. Got to finals in back to back seasons off of pure luck. :rolleyes:

That post makes no sense. If he thought that was going to happen WHY DID HE VOTE FOR TYSON AND NOT PARVATI!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?

He used the idol on Parvati for several reasons.

1. He knew Tyson was going to change to his vote.

2. He wanted to keep his alliance intact.

3. Wanted to get the numbers on his side. He thought by giving the idol to Parvati, Jerri and Coach would flip over to his side. He showed them, that he would do whatever it takes to keep his alliance intact. Including risking his own life in the game. Right after that move. Jerri flipped, followed by Coach.

But sure it was all luck. :rolleyes:

[Marc]

Tried to clean up the other OneWorld thread, so all posts regarding Natalie/Russell/Samoa/Cirie etc. have been moved into this thread.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oops... ***Basically Tyson thought that Danielle and Parvati would vote Russell and Russell vote for Parvati, making it 5-4.

No he didn't know Tyson was going to change his vote, he had nothing to DO with Tyson changing his vote. Tyson's vote change had to do with him thinking Russell and Danielle/Parvati would turn on each other, which happens a lot when there are two main targets. Instead, Tyson expected too much out of them and made a mistake in the end. Russell didn't make a brilliant move, he didn't make any move really. Russell, Parvati, and Danielle only benefited from Tyson's mistake.

And that's bogus to say he wanted to keep his alliance in tact. Russell and Parvati KNEW about the split vote, which is part of why Tyson figured they would fold and target after each other. If you know the vote is going to be 3-3-3 and you have a HII, why would you use it on your ally and not yourself? If Tyson didn't make his miscalculation, Russell would've sacrificed his game for Parvati. Everyone laughs at Erik giving Immunity in FvF and Brandon giving Immunity in South Pacific. Russell did the same thing, except he got lucky in the end. If Tyson voted along with the plan to go 3-3-3, everyone would put Russell in the same league as Erik and Brandon, people who get voted off with HIIs, etc.

And in regards to your #3 point, that's all irrelevant when you consider the fact that Russell would've been voted out. He merely dodged an assassination attempt and lucked out. It's fact. Just because a move works out for you doesn't mean it was smart.

[SoBig]

Oops... ***Basically Tyson thought that Danielle and Parvati would vote Russell and Russell vote for Parvati, making it 5-4.

No he didn't know Tyson was going to change his vote, he had nothing to DO with Tyson changing his vote.

Russell convinced Tyson that he was going to vote for Parvati. Just watch the youtube video that I posted. That's why he changed his vote.

[Roy Mars III]

This is why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist and manipulator in the history of Survivor.

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Say what you will about Russell but he knows how to put on a show. That whole tribal council was amazing watching for the first time two or so years ago.

[SoBig]

Say what you will about Russell but he knows how to put on a show. That whole tribal council was amazing watching for the first time two or so years ago.
Russel Da Gawd.

:worship::worship::worship:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Russell convinced Tyson that he was going to vote for Parvati. Just watch the youtube video that I posted. That's why he changed his vote.

No he didn't, that's not why he voted for Parvati. When the vote is split, it's not a terrible idea for the people being targeted to fold in and target each other. Tyson assumed that Parvati/Danielle would vote for Russell and Russell would vote for Parvati since they knew about the vote split. That would make it 5-4 for Russell. Tyson, however, wanted Parvati out more than Russell (Russell had the advantage of people not knowing who he was in HvV) so he figured if he switched his vote, it would be 5-4 Parvati. Considering all other things the same, if Tyson kept his original vote, Russell would be voted out after GIVING a HII to someone else. He just got extremely lucky because someone else made an error. If that wouldn't have happened, Russell would be in the same league as Erik and his nephew (whom he hypocritically criticizes), no doubt about that. The editors made it look like a big triumph for Russell but it was hardly that.

[Marc]

I'm pretty sure that's wrong and what SoBig said was right. Russell lied to Tyson and made him vote Parvati so that she would have majority votes, Tyson wanted to stay on the side of the majority and went with her too. Russell used HII and Tyson went.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm pretty sure that's wrong and what SoBig said was right. Russell lied to Tyson and made him vote Parvati so that she would have majority votes, Tyson wanted to stay on the side of the majority and went with her too. Russell used HII and Tyson went.

Well you're wrong and you're disregarding what I'm saying about editing. You have 72 hours worth of footage to put into 45 minutes. Production can make it look like whatever they want it to look like. The editors gave Russell credit for it because they love doing that. But if you read any exit interview, you find out the real truth (what I've been saying this whole time.) Tyson put too much faith in Danielle/Parvati being smart and targeting Russell to save themselves and he took a calculated risk and went home because of it. Russell had nothing to do with what Tyson's decision, he had no influence in it. Tyson really wanted Parvati out so he took the initiative to switch his vote to get his way. Had that not happened and Russell gave his HII to Parvati, Russell would be going home and he'd be up there in the highest echelon of Survivor idiots with James Clement, Jason Siska, Erik Reichenbach, Brandon Hantz (whom he ironically criticizes and practically disowns for his poor gameplay.)

[Marc]

Hmmm

[ILoveTRW]

Just watched Heroes vs Villans, previous to this I had only seen 1 full season that being Palau. I loved Parvati, she should have won, although I was expected her to be all guns blazing from the way people go on about her but she was actually quite shy and reserved. Reading JT's letter was her best moment, hilarious. The 2 tribal councils where Russell used the idol on Parvati and Parvati using the idols on Jerri and Sandra were amazing moments. Not really much else to say about the season other than I swear half the guys are in the closet.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Only seen 2, 3, 6, 7 and 8 so far

My favourite so far is 6 because its had so many power turns, one episode one person was top dog, the next episode they was out, and the bitchy princess drama queen ended up winning, good season as it was unpredictable.

I also liked 8 as Rob and Amber totally owned the game, but the juries bitterness was the best but most awkward thing I have seen so far.

7 and 2 was okay as well

3, although I liked the winner, the season has been my least favourite so far. Not that interesting apart from the younger generation vs the old people at the start.

Look forward to watching more seasons.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Only seen 2, 3, 6, 7 and 8 so far

My favourite so far is 6 because its had so many power turns, one episode one person was top dog, the next episode they was out, and the bitchy princess drama queen ended up winning, good season as it was unpredictable.

I also liked 8 as Rob and Amber totally owned the game, but the juries bitterness was the best but most awkward thing I have seen so far.

7 and 2 was okay as well

3, although I liked the winner, the season has been my least favourite so far. Not that interesting apart from the younger generation vs the old people at the start.

Look forward to watching more seasons.

[iRyan]

Best Seasons
Australian Outback
Amazon
All-Stars
Micronesia: Fans vs Favorites (Best season ever)
Gabon
Samoa
Tocantins
Heros vs Villians
Nicaragua

Worst Seasons

Vanuatu
Fiji (probably the worst of them all...HORRIFICALLY boring)
Redemption Island
South Pacific

[smartalec2718]

Best season: Gabon (yeah it's an unorthodox choice but for some reason I just loved the characters or loved to hate them, the challenges were interesting, I enjoyed the twists, and the three tribal councils where Charlie, randy and Corinne were voted out make up the best streak of tribals ever. The season suffers from Matty not winning, and if he had won the fire making challenge, he would have. But it's still great nonetheless.)

Worst season: of those that I've seen, one world (this is mostly by process of elimination. Borneo and AO were great. Africa was meh. Marquesas and Thailand were both poor, the latter was slightly mitigated by Brian. Amazon was mediocre. Pearl islands and all stars were great. Vanuatu and Palau were both horrendous but I liked Eliza and steph, respectively, so they squeak by. I havent seen guatemala, panama, or cook islands. I don't get why everyone hates on Fiji, I rather enjoyed it. China and Micronesia were above average. Tocantins, Samoa and HvV were all OK. I didn't watch redemption island or Nicaragua, and I like SP because I knew Sophie so watching her win was exciting. But I disliked or hated everything about one world. I didn't like Kim, Sabrina, Chelsea, or Kat. I detested Christina, Alicia, troyzan, and Colton. And the likes of jay, Jonas, mike and Leif were either too dumb or too unnoticeable to root for. The season was entirely predictable and had very little drama. When even probst admits a series is bad, you know it's an absolute **** stain).

[starry]

I've had a look at most of these enough now

I like - in no particular order

Cook Islands (Ozzy and Yul) Best top 2 finish ever. Probably the best winner, I hate the final jury say in this show (the losers judging the winners) but here it was hard for them to make a mistake.
Heroes v Villains (Russell and Parvati) Amazing Tribal Council moments, great cast
Samoa (Russell) A star was born

And to an extent, though I couldn't be bothered with the finales really

Fiji (Yau Man) and a nice alliance (with Earl)
China (Pee-Gee) Amanda was ok, but I liked the other tribe more. Denise probably one of the worst ever.
South Pacific (Ozzy) Featured one of the greatest Survivors ever in his element (winning challenges). Also the Coach-Brandon Hantz thing was pretty weird, and gave a great moment as crybaby Hantz was eliminated.

[Chilltown]

Best Seasons: Gabon, Nicaragua, Heroes vs. Villains, Borneo, Pearl Islands, Exile Island

Worst Seasons: One World, Guatemala, Fiji, Palau

[Chilltown]

Best Seasons: Gabon, Nicaragua, Heroes vs. Villains, Borneo, Pearl Islands, Exile Island

Worst Seasons: One World, Guatemala, Fiji, Palau

[LemonJam]

I'm very torn on Guatemala as a season because the pre-merge was SO boring but after that it became really good IMO.

[Marc]

I've recently rewatched Guatemala - poor Rafe

[Marc]

Actually no.... Stupid Rafe

[reece(:]

What's this years one? One world? I enjoyed that.

[starry]

One World was ok until most of the big male characters left, I wasn't that interested in the end of it.

I'm the opposite of LemonJam as I actually quite liked the first half or a bit more of Guatemala (nice tough environment and challenges), but after that I didn't like very many of those who were left and so didn't finish it.

[Jenn-CityIVLyfe]

Favorite Seasons: Guatemala, Micronesia, Panama, and Vanuatu
Least Favorite: Redemption Island

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Favourite Seasons - Amazon, Pearl Island, Exile Island, Guatemala, Fiji (Well I liked it), FvF, Hero vs Villains and One World (Again I liked it)

Least Fav - Make sure Rob wins by putting him on a tribe with brainless zombies.... I mean Redemption Island

[reece(:]

One World is sooo underrated.

[Jenn-CityIVLyfe]

One World is great because Kim
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[LemonJam]

I also liked one world (Christina, Tarzan, Kat, Jonas, Leif <3) but can understand the hate for it (The predictability, Colton, Alicia </3)

[Black Dagger]

Australia has been my favourite from those I've watched.

Thailand blew so much I gave up after 4 episodes.

Started Amazon though which seems nice so far.

[LemonJam]

Personally (an unpopular opinion) I think Amazon's really overrated, but it's definitely a fan favourite. :bigsmile:

[Jenn-CityIVLyfe]

I also liked one world (Christina, Tarzan, Kat, Jonas, Leif <3) but can understand the hate for it (The predictability, Colton, Alicia </3)

Wait people liked him? :suspect:

[LemonJam]

Wait people liked him? :suspect:

I found him to be a lolzy, likeable presence, even if he was horribly uncharismatic.

[Jenn-CityIVLyfe]

I found him to be a lolzy, likeable presence, even if he was horribly uncharismatic.

I guess I was just bugged by his complete lack of understanding as to what was going on. Which is comedic I suppose...just not in the way I prefer

[reece(:]

When he was mad he got voted out but did nothing to stay in and was only aligned with Troyzan. :joker: