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Shaun
18-03-2012, 07:53 AM
Sunday trading laws are to be suspended on eight weekends from 22 July during the Olympics and Paralympics, the chancellor is expected to announce.

In his Budget, George Osborne is likely to say large shops in England and Wales can trade for more than six hours.

It would require emergency legislation which officials hope to pass by Easter.

Ministers hope the move would boost shopping, but campaign group Keep Sunday Special said it would act as "cover for creeping deregulation".

Church leaders are also thought likely to oppose the plans, while Labour indicated it would consider them before deciding whether or not to back them.

The Sunday Trading Act 1994 states that large shops over 280 square metres in England and Wales are restricted to any six hours of continuous trading between 10:00 and 18:00 on Sundays.

And they cannot open at all on Easter Sunday.

It also includes specific measures to protect the rights of shop workers who do not wish to work on Sunday.

By temporarily suspending these rules, the government hopes hundreds of thousands of visitors who head to London for the sporting spectacle will take advantage of late-night shopping in the West End, boosting flagging retail figures.

There is also optimism that people throughout England and Wales will visit supermarkets, garden centres and DIY stores on the lighter summer evenings.

Although the relaxation would be temporary, the Treasury is expected to closely monitor its effects and a permanent move has not been ruled out if it proves a success.

Tory MP Nadine Dorries predicted that Mr Osborne would "face a barrage of criticism" as a result of the move.

She posted on Twitter: "Arrogant to impose without debate and vote of whole house.

"Is the coalition government secretly implementing an anti-Christian agenda. And if so, who is driving it, Cameron and Osborne or the LDs?"

Last year, Suffolk Coastal MP Therese Coffey warned that a temporary lifting for the Games was likely to lead to a permanent change and could stop staff enjoying the "once-in-a-lifetime" chance to enjoy the sporting spectacle.

She had been responding to a bid by party colleague Mark Menzies to make the change with his own bill.

Mr Menzies said he was "absolutely delighted" that the plan was now being taken up by the Mr Osborne, adding that it would "send out a very powerful message that Britain is open for business".

The MP for Fylde, whose professional background is in retail, said he had been told an estimated 1,700 extra part-time jobs could possibly be created as a result at the new shopping centre near the Olympic park.

And he said he had "no desire at this stage" to see the looser rules applied beyond August.

Keep Sunday Special said the rumours were "profoundly worrying". and it totally opposed the "unnecessary" move.

Meanwhile, the body which represents convenience stores has already warned it could set an unwelcome precedent.

Association of Convenience Stores chief executive James Lowman said: "Any relaxation, even just for London during the Olympics, would erode our existing, popular, Sunday trading rules.

"Retailers will benefit greatly from the Olympics and they do not need a few extra hours on three additional Sundays to do it."

He said it the government made this concession, it would open the door for the big retail lobby to press for all sorts of exemptions for other events, and "undermine the whole principle".

In Scotland, Sunday trading has long been deregulated with shops deciding their own hours.

In Northern Ireland, legislation brought in 1997 allows large shops over 280 square metres to open between 13:00 and 18:00 on Sundays.

-likes this idea; thinks they're stupid anyway-

joeysteele
18-03-2012, 09:19 AM
As long as something is there to protect those who don't want to work on Sundays or for longer on a Sunday.

It wouldn't bother me working on a Sunday but any previous so called flimsy protection soon disappeared for workers when Sunday trading was allowed before, hopefully this extension will ressurrect some protection for people who don't want to work on Sundays without them being subjected to endless persuasive actions and often threats and near bullying from bosses as to their future jobs 'or' getting promotion in their place of work in the future because they don't like working Sundays.

Shopping,in my view, as I watch people on Sundays in stores etc, is the new/main religion anyway.
It almost seems people will do anything to go shopping over anything else.I did though fully expect some change for the Olympics but I do hope firmer protection is put in place for everyone who does not want to do much or even any work on a Sunday.

Marc
18-03-2012, 09:53 AM
Fair enough, a Sainsbury's near me is open until like 10pm on a Sunday anyway? :conf:

arista
18-03-2012, 11:09 AM
Yes great news.

Jarrod
18-03-2012, 11:11 AM
Fair enough, a Sainsbury's near me is open until like 10pm on a Sunday anyway? :conf:

Same here for Spar?

Boothy
18-03-2012, 12:17 PM
Fair enough, a Sainsbury's near me is open until like 10pm on a Sunday anyway? :conf:

There's a Tesco Express near me that's open until 11.

Benjamin
18-03-2012, 12:19 PM
What a stupid idea. Why must the shops stay open later and the workers have to work longer? Can people not survive a few hours without a shop being open?

Bollo
18-03-2012, 12:23 PM
What a stupid idea. Why must the shops stay open later and the workers have to work longer? Can people not survive a few hours without a shop being open?

I can't, I'm a shopaholic...I have a serious problem

arista
18-03-2012, 12:26 PM
What a stupid idea. Why must the shops stay open later and the workers have to work longer? Can people not survive a few hours without a shop being open?



Its only during the Olympics.

And this helps us all.

I prefer 24/7 shops.

Ninastar
18-03-2012, 12:27 PM
What a stupid idea. Why must the shops stay open later and the workers have to work longer? Can people not survive a few hours without a shop being open?

personally I think it's a good idea. I can't count the times we've needed to get something from the shops on a sunday and it being too late at 4pm

Our asda shuts at 4 on a sunday and so do the rest of the supermarkets.

Also, it opens job opportunities for people, which is always a plus

arista
18-03-2012, 12:49 PM
personally I think it's a good idea. I can't count the times we've needed to get something from the shops on a sunday and it being too late at 4pm

Our asda shuts at 4 on a sunday and so do the rest of the supermarkets.

Also, it opens job opportunities for people, which is always a plus



You are most wise

Scarlett.
18-03-2012, 12:53 PM
It's 2012, why the hell are we still closing early on Sundays?

arista
18-03-2012, 01:01 PM
It's 2012, why the hell are we still closing early on Sundays?


Poxy Church rules
via MP's votes

arista
18-03-2012, 01:11 PM
There's a Tesco Express near me that's open until 11.


Yes small stores do that.


But this is for Bigger Stores.


Like AsdaWalmart

Kizzy
18-03-2012, 01:12 PM
Greedy big businesses...used to be double time for sunday, now its just part of the working week :/

arista
18-03-2012, 01:14 PM
Greedy big businesses...used to be double time for sunday, now its just part of the working week :/

So What
many that work Sunday may get a week day off.


Bliss.

Kizzy
18-03-2012, 01:17 PM
so what?....Sew buttons thats what!

arista
18-03-2012, 02:01 PM
"As long as something is there to protect those who don't want to work on Sundays or for longer on a Sunday."

No Joey
this is just for 5 weeks or so.

Do not go all Union Like on me.



Feel The Force

Livia
18-03-2012, 03:18 PM
It's only for eight weeks. No one's putting a gun to anyone's head to work Sundays. If you don't want to, find a job where you don't have to. It used to be that Sundays were protected and special because it was a Christian holy day. How many people don't want to work Sundays, expect more money for working Sundays and yet would never describe themselves as Christians? If someone doesn't want to work on Sundays, then don't. Moan about it to the others in the dole queue while someone from Eastern Europe does it instead.

Ninastar
18-03-2012, 03:21 PM
:worship:

reece(:
18-03-2012, 03:23 PM
Tesco over the road is open till 11, so this is no different for me

arista
18-03-2012, 03:29 PM
Tesco over the road is open till 11, so this is no different for me


Bigger Stores will be Open longer.

Marc
18-03-2012, 03:37 PM
Same here for Spar?

There's a Tesco Express near me that's open until 11.

I guess we wont see the benefits then :hugesmile:

Marsh.
18-03-2012, 03:39 PM
What a stupid idea. Why must the shops stay open later and the workers have to work longer? Can people not survive a few hours without a shop being open?

It's to maximise the potential profits in London when they're inundated with tourists for the Olympics.

Jack_
18-03-2012, 04:52 PM
Shops shouldn't close early on Sunday's anyway. It's a tired tradition (if you could even call it that) that really doesn't have much place in the modern world if you ask me.

If you don't want to work or shop on a Sunday, then fine...but some others do, and so why should you not be allowed to on the basis of some petty religious ideology?

InOne
18-03-2012, 04:58 PM
Didn't pubs used to close early on Sunday as well?

Marc
18-03-2012, 04:59 PM
Still do, well about 11/12

Kizzy
18-03-2012, 05:17 PM
On sunday some pubs shut at 3 then opened again at 7
Our attitude to the UK workforce is disgusting, sunday was traditionally a rest day as well as observing religous doctrine.
Now employers especially in the retail industry hire on temporary 12 week contracts, which offer no holiday pay, pension, or other benefits.
Employees are treated as disposable commodities by employers, its a shame this '10 a penny' lets get some 'eastern europeans' attitude exists towards workers.

lostalex
18-03-2012, 05:23 PM
I didn't even know England had these type of laws to begin with. How strange.

arista
18-03-2012, 05:41 PM
I didn't even know England had these type of laws to begin with. How strange.


You need to travel.

arista
18-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Shops shouldn't close early on Sunday's anyway. It's a tired tradition (if you could even call it that) that really doesn't have much place in the modern world if you ask me.

If you don't want to work or shop on a Sunday, then fine...but some others do, and so why should you not be allowed to on the basis of some petty religious ideology?



Bang On Right
Jack

Livia
18-03-2012, 06:29 PM
Most of the jobs available where I live I notice are being taken by bright, qualified, eager Polish people with a great work ethic. There's a large community of them, working hard sometimes in more than one job, spending money in the local town and supporting the local economy. No doubt many of the shops around the Olympics will be staffed by these people.

I've had lots of jobs while I was studying - and after - that involved working on a Saturday, which is my sabbath. I did it without expecting someone to pay me twice or let me finish early.

lostalex
18-03-2012, 07:55 PM
You need to travel.

not on a sunday though lol :hugesmile:

joeysteele
18-03-2012, 08:56 PM
"As long as something is there to protect those who don't want to work on Sundays or for longer on a Sunday."

No Joey
this is just for 5 weeks or so.

Do not go all Union Like on me.



Feel The Force

I won't arista because I don't really like trade unions,they do likely have a role to play in business but for me they overstep the mark too much and too often.

However,it was said they are also possibly looking at making this a permanent change. I hope they don't, 5 weeks is fine, any more ,no thank you, not for me anyway.

Novo
18-03-2012, 09:12 PM
Another reason to love the Olympics

Locke.
18-03-2012, 09:18 PM
Good stuff, good citizens like myself often find ourselves wanting something from a shop on a sunday night

Niall
18-03-2012, 09:22 PM
I really don't like this. I get the inkling that after they let this go ahead, the government will preach about how profitable it all was and push for the full removal of the laws. Thats something none of us want, the smaller stores will just go out of business because the supermarkets are open all the time.

I don't know, it just doesn't sit right with me.

Kizzy
18-03-2012, 09:25 PM
5 weeks? if you believe that ...Once they are raking in more money it will stay.
Dont get me wrong im not against any eastern europeans working here no way quite the opposite. Im all for anyone who is hard working, the point im making is large organisations do not value employees anymore. There is no incentive, nothing to be proud of as everyone is undervalued unappreciated and disposable.
Which is why many people are so apathetic if they dont care why should you?

Brother Leon
18-03-2012, 09:35 PM
I won't be in London during the Olympics.



Meh...

MTVN
18-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Increases employment, brings more money into the economy and is more convenient to the consumer, don't think it's a bad idea really

Z
18-03-2012, 11:16 PM
When people work full time 5 days a week and don't have the time to go to the shops, having it open on Sunday, the other full day of the weekend, is a great idea. I wasn't aware this was a thing in England/Wales. I'm pretty sure such a law doesn't exist here in Scotland, the 24 hour Asda near me is open on Sundays too. Weird.

Scarlett.
18-03-2012, 11:22 PM
I really don't get why people think they're entitled to a Sunday off, I'm in work every sunday and I don't give a ****.

MTVN
18-03-2012, 11:32 PM
Wonder how the big supermarkets manage to get exempt from this then, most Tesco expresses are open late and one near me is 24/7, that is a garage though, probably seen as providing essential service or something

Vicky.
20-03-2012, 05:23 PM
I see no need for the Sunday law anyways tbh. Seems a bit stupid.

Vicky.
20-03-2012, 05:25 PM
And for those against this, Im quite sure the people who work in these stores will be glad for the extra hours.