I'm not one for racism but...

[ILoveTRW]

i couldn't stop laughing at this
basically I was in asda today and 2 black kids, about 4-5ish, were running around screaming, then a shelf stacker (who was also black) turned around and said "hey, would you please keep your niglets under control"
i couldn't believe it, she just ignored him and walked off whilst i stood there pmsl.

[rk3388]

...

[Kizzy]

I dont believe you.

[Marc]

:conf2: I probably might have laughed at the extreme awkwardness that ensued his extreme rudeness, but what he said wasn't funny.

[InOne]

It's ok if they're both Black.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm not one for boringness but that's not funny.

[Marc]

I don't know? I mean, fair enough if you don't take any offense and see it as banter but the use of the n word by people who are 'black' only advertises to 'white' people that it's cool to say it.

[Ninastar]

i laughed

im going to hell

[Mystic Mock]

What was funny about that? maybe I need to lighten up who knows.

[Ninastar]

my grandad has said worse before

he's not really racist though, he just likes to joke about it

[Marc]

my grandad has said worse before

he's not really racist though, he just likes to joke about it

old people are generally more racist

[Jesus.]

I have no problem with black people using ****** to each other. After centuries of oppression attached to that word, it's only correct that it's reclaimed from plantation slave owners.

Racists will always use it regardless, and modern, socially aware people won't use it.

It's not a word that white people can be encouraged to use.

JlX5wVDq4Ko

That YT vid will be of special interest to Mark.

[Ninastar]

old people are generally more racist

rly?

[Marc]

JlX5wVDq4Ko

That YT vid will be of special interest to Mark.

It's true :idc: so back off you haters

rly?

Ya

[GypsyGoth]

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[Vicky.]

old people are generally more racist

Ageist :idc:

[Jesus.]

Does the kid who kicks that young black dude, have learning disabilities? He looks as though he may have his own issues. Anyone got a source for that?

[GypsyGoth]

Does the kid who kicks that young black dude, have learning disabilities? He looks as though he may have his own issues. Anyone got a source for that?

He has down syndrome

http://www.keepbusy.net/play.php?id=down-syndrome-guy-kicks-kid-gets-knocked-out

[Jesus.]

He has down syndrome

http://www.keepbusy.net/play.php?id=down-syndrome-guy-kicks-kid-gets-knocked-out

Cheers. I could tell there was something else going on there.

[Jords]

:joker:

[Kizzy]

old people are generally more racist

Untrue....

[Kizzy]

I have no problem with black people using ****** to each other. After centuries of oppression attached to that word, it's only correct that it's reclaimed from plantation slave owners.

Racists will always use it regardless, and modern, socially aware people won't use it.

It's not a word that white people can be encouraged to use.

JlX5wVDq4Ko

That YT vid will be of special interest to Mark.


Rubbish! if its a derogatory term get rid!! dont say it...It serves no purpose.
Why would you want to reclaim something that people for so many years fought and died to shed?
It makes no sense...
No One should say it!
We can never truly start a new chapter if the sins of the past come back to hinder any progress made......

[Mystic Mock]

Rubbish! if its a derogatory term get rid!! dont say it...It serves no purpose.
Why would you want to reclaim something that people for so many years fought and died to shed?
It makes no sense...
No One should say it!
We can never truly start a new chapter if the sins of the past come back to hinder any progress made......

I don't mind it if it's only a joke,but it should be gone for all people when in an argument or a serious disscussion.

[Brother Leon]

Rubbish! if its a derogatory term get rid!! dont say it...It serves no purpose.
Why would you want to reclaim something that people for so many years fought and died to shed?
It makes no sense...
No One should say it!
We can never truly start a new chapter if the sins of the past come back to hinder any progress made......

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[Jesus.]

Rubbish! if its a derogatory term get rid!! dont say it...It serves no purpose.
Why would you want to reclaim something that people for so many years fought and died to shed?
It makes no sense...
No One should say it!
We can never truly start a new chapter if the sins of the past come back to hinder any progress made......

Well it's not rubbish, regardless. I've laid out an opinion and explained why.

Gay people have had to reclaim the word "gay", too. ****** was used by slave owners and tradesmen to degrade and demean. Black civil rights is still a new concept in the western world (historically speaking). Even in the 80's in this country, we had comedians using it all the time, and mainstrem shows using nig-nog and other variations of it.

It's not really up to white people how the word is used or left behind, but I can fully see why it has become such a big part of black street culture. Know your history, Kizzy.

[Mystic Mock]

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No your mad Honky boy.:joker:

[Brother Leon]

Kizzy, I think you would have a meltdown if you heard some black/mixed teens talking to each other.

[Kizzy]

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf you can't get rid of the word gay as it's original meaning was happy.

[GypsyGoth]

As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

The mid 1960s.

[Jesus.]

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.

As far as white people go, the allowed times = never.

As far as black people go, the allowed times = whenever they want.

Simple rules.

[Vicky.]

Well you can understand why some young people may get confused then, there really shouldn't be a you can/you cant approach...its crazy and can only hinder integration.
As for reclaiming words, how far back does 'gay' go when referring to homosexuals?......

I agree with this actually. Racism is treating people differently because of their colour. So in essence saying only certain colour people can say a certain word...otherwise its racist and wrong, is racism in itself.

And yes, of course it will confuse some young people.

[Vicky.]

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.


Well neither do I.

But I dont understand why black people would want to either tbh.

And I think its wrong to say its ok for one race but not another :S

[Kizzy]

Thanks vicky, It cannot be right for one group and wrong for another that in itself is predudice...
If you go back and suggest sins of fore fathers, how relevant is that to todays society?
Another failing in the 'MBB' doc. How can we in the modern day explain the reasons of those in the 17th century?..........
It makes no sense! perspective is what you have to have, We are no longer colonialists, why shoul;d we be treated like them? Are blacks still savages?...no!
Time to draw a line under the past.

[Jesus.]

I agree with this actually. Racism is treating people differently because of their colour. So in essence saying only certain colour people can say a certain word...otherwise its racist and wrong, is racism in itself.

And yes, of course it will confuse some young people.

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

[Kizzy]

It's not though. It's saying that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.


rubbish....all rubbish imo!

[Brother Leon]

rubbish....all rubbish imo!

You are saying what a black person should be allowed to call another black person though?



Do you have any idea how foolish you would seem if you told black people that they should not be allowed to call each other ******.

[Vicky.]

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

Funny. I dont remember enslaving any black people. So no, I have no shame about that tbh, I cant help what people who lived hundreds of years before me did.

I do get what you are saying, but this whole 'reclaiming the word' stuff is nonsense to me. If the word has so much stigma attached to it, why would ANYONE want to say it, ever? I just dont get it.

Now, I would never personally say n*****. I just have no reason to ever say it. But I still do not, and never will think its right, for anything to be decided/different based on what colour you are.

[Mystic Mock]

The thing is if black people are allowed to say ****** then your gonna keep having white people say ****** as they will use the excuse that there black friend doesn't mind me using the word or whatever.

[Kizzy]

You are saying what a black person should be allowed to call another black person though?



Do you have any idea how foolish you would seem if you told black people that they should not be allowed to call each other ******.

Im not saying that.

[Mystic Mock]

Im still laughing at how many threads there have been tonight on racism.

[GypsyGoth]

That's your opinion, and one which seems ignorant to me. But you and Kizzy are entitled to your own opinions, at least. I've explained it a couple of times, and if you haven't got it by now then you probably never will.

What about a person with a black father and white mother, can they use the word?

[Mystic Mock]

That's your opinion, and one which seems ignorant to me. But you and Kizzy are entitled to your own opinions, at least. I've explained it a couple of times, and if you haven't got it by now then you probably never will.

No that's a fact,if Vicky was involved in the slavery of black people I am pretty confident that she would be dead by now.

[Kizzy]

The thing is if black people are allowed to say ****** then your gonna keep having white people say ****** as they will use the excuse that there black friend doesn't mind me using the word or whatever.

See?...this is going to carry on, and where will it end?
A term of endearment from one friend, an insult from another?......And this is a good thing?

[Benjamin]

Just chipping in my opinion, but seeing the word 'Niglets' did make me chuckle as I have never seen it before. Does not mean I will be using that word, nor would I condone a white person using it. But I have no issue with black people using to talk about other black people.

[Jesus.]

No that's a fact,if Vicky was involved in the slavery of black people I am pretty confident that she would be dead by now.

The acknowledgment of history was the point I was making.

[Brother Leon]

What about a person with a black father and white mother, can they use the word?

That would be me funnily enough. I dont really use it as much as most of my friends but I would be allowed to use it yeah. Especially if it is your father who is black but it's the same either way.

[Vicky.]

The acknowledgment of history was the point I was making.

Well of course I acknowledge the history and think what white people did back then was ****ing horrible.

But to say I should feel shame for something I was no part of...well...that was more my point.

[Benjamin]

Also, I'm moving this to serious debates as it's turned into a serious debate.

[Brother Leon]

JF and Kizzy. I have never seen a black person say it is cool for their White friend to use the word.

The only possible exception is if yOu was all in a car rapping along to a tune, but even then my White friends usually leave the word out.

[GypsyGoth]

Yea I think it's the context the word is used in. If friends are saying in a fun and friendly way, I think it's a good word.

But when it's used as an insult or in a derogatory way, then that's wrong.

[Kizzy]

Just chipping in my opinion, but seeing the word 'Niglets' did make me chuckle as I have never seen it before. Does not mean I will be using that word, nor would I condone a white person using it. But I have no issue with black people using to talk about other black people.

Why?

[Mystic Mock]

Well of course I acknowledge the history and think what white people did back then was ****ing horrible.

But to say I should feel shame for something I was no part of...well...that was more my point.

Well the thing is that means every country,race,gender,and sexuality would have to feel shame for stuff that someone or some people did in the past,imo that should not be allowed,even the Germans should be let off for what Hitler did.

[Benjamin]

Why?

Why, because when they use it is not racist, it is just another insult.

[Mystic Mock]

JF and Kizzy. I have never seen a black person say it is cool for their White friend to use the word.

The only possible exception is if yOu was all in a car rapping along to a tune, but even then my White friends usually leave the word out.

No what im getting at is if a white person got into trouble off The Police for saying ******,the white person could lie and say that there black friend doesn't mind them using the word.

Although I doubt they would avoid trouble lol.

[GypsyGoth]

No what im getting at is if a white person got into trouble off The Police for saying ******,the white person could lie and say that there black friend doesn't mind them using the word.

Although I doubt they would avoid trouble lol.

A girl was thrown out of big brother for that.

She used the word, said she and her friends would say it in a friendly way. And BB kicked her out anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

A girl was thrown out of big brother for that.

She used the word, said she and her friends would say it in a friendly way. And BB kicked her out anyway.

I remember that,she should have got a warning for it but as she didn't mean it in an offensive way she should never have been chucked out imo.

[Vicky.]

I remember that,she should have got a warning for it but as she didn't mean it in an offensive way she should never have been chucked out imo.

And she certainly didnt need to be thrown out at 4am or whatever it was(hours after te actual incident, but for some reason in the middle of the night...), and with no knickers on :bored:

[Brother Leon]

A girl was thrown out of big brother for that.

She used the word, said she and her friends would say it in a friendly way. And BB kicked her out anyway.

Yeah. I don't think she was racist which some did. I just think she lived a fairly sheltered lifestyle where she had no idea how much offense she caused saying it.


Was the right decision mind.

[Kizzy]

Yeah. I don't think she was racist which some did. I just think she lived a fairly sheltered lifestyle where she had no idea how much offense she caused saying it.


Was the right decision mind.

i disagree, she moved in circles where it was said as a positive....it was only the media spotlight that changed it.

[Brother Leon]

i disagree, she moved in circles where it was said as a positive....it was only the media spotlight that changed it.

You don't call someone you don't know a *****. I wouldn't even do it. She had no excuse.


It's a common sense. The fact she didn't know this shows me her black friends didn't educate her on the word properly or she made up that she uses it all the time.

[Kizzy]

Why, because when they use it is not racist, it is just another insult.

Not true....I have never seen it used by black youths as an insult.

[Brother Leon]

You don't call someone you don't know a *****. I wouldn't even do it. She had no excuse.


It's a common sense. The fact she didn't know this shows me her black friends didn't educate her on the word properly or she made up that she uses it all the time.

For the record , I'm talking about a person face to face etc.


I call guys like Valencia and Evra my ******* all the time :laugh:

[Glenn.]

i couldn't stop laughing at this
basically I was in asda today and 2 black kids, about 4-5ish, were running around screaming, then a shelf stacker (who was also black) turned around and said "hey, would you please keep your niglets under control"
i couldn't believe it, she just ignored him and walked off whilst i stood there pmsl.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/GlennDines123/Dramatic_Alpaca.gif

[Roy Mars III]

Why, because when they use it is not racist, it is just another insult.

it is usually used as a friendly term

[Benjamin]

Not true....I have never seen it used by black youths as an insult.

No offence to you intended here, you clearly don't know the black people I know. Yes, not all will use it or agree with it, but many of the them do use it.

[Benjamin]

it is usually used as a friendly term

I was talking about the context of the original post. :tongue:

[Kizzy]

You don't call someone you don't know a *****. I wouldn't even do it. She had no excuse.


It's a common sense. The fact she didn't know this shows me her black friends didn't educate her on the word properly or she made up that she uses it all the time.

Its not common sense, common sense is inherant you dont need friends of any colour to teach you that.
Its mixed messages, it was acceptable in her social group.
If it is so derogatory and so offensive why is it used?
You don't get any other groups using a discriminatory word in general conversation.
In Bradford I would never hear 'Hi taj my p***! how are you?

[Roy Mars III]

I was talking about the context of the original post. :tongue:

oh, kizzy confused me :joker:

her fault

[Benjamin]

Its not common sense, common sense is inherant you dont need friends of any colour to teach you that.
Its mixed messages, it was acceptable in her social group.
If it is so derogatory and so offensive why is it used?
You don't get any other groups using a discriminatory word in general conversation.
In Bradford I would never hear 'Hi taj my p***! how are you?

Not true. Many homosexuals will refer to themselves/others as, for example, a ****** or poofter.

[Brother Leon]

Kizzy, Jesus has said around 5 times why it is generally still used by black people.

[MTVN]

Its not common sense, common sense is inherant you dont need friends of any colour to teach you that.
Its mixed messages, it was acceptable in her social group.
If it is so derogatory and so offensive why is it used?
You don't get any other groups using a discriminatory word in general conversation.
In Bradford I would never hear 'Hi taj my p***! how are you?

Not true. Many homosexuals will refer to themselves/others as, for example, a ****** or poofter.

Yeah and some Pakistani's do use "P*ki", could even say that some woman do it when they call a friend their "bitch"

[Kizzy]

Not true. Many homosexuals will refer to themselves/others as, for example, a ****** or poofter.

I don't mean to be rude but we are talking about ethnicity here :)

[Glenn.]

Its not common sense, common sense is inherant you dont need friends of any colour to teach you that.
Its mixed messages, it was acceptable in her social group.
If it is so derogatory and so offensive why is it used?
You don't get any other groups using a discriminatory word in general conversation.
In Bradford I would never hear 'Hi taj my p***! how are you?

I don't mean to be rude but we are talking about ethnicity here :)

You should think about what your typing then :idc:

[Benjamin]

I don't mean to be rude but we are talking about ethnicity here :)

Did you state that in your comment, I believe not. You merely said groups, not ethnic groups, so don't play pedantic with me.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy, Jesus has said around 5 times why it is generally still used by black people.

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

[Benjamin]

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Same can be said for relying on your evidence.

[Brother Leon]

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Are you for real?


It's because that is the reason ffs. You are one of these fools who blocks out anything they dont agree with I swear :joker:


*sigh*


Night

[Kizzy]

Yeah and some Pakistani's do use "P*ki", could even say that some woman do it when they call a friend their "bitch"


do they?...I'll ask tommoz

[Jesus.]

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Can we all get swastikas out now, then? After all, I didn't personally murder any Jews.

The Swastika was a peaceful symbol before the Nazi's co-opted it.

[Kizzy]

Can we all get swastikas out now, then? After all, I didn't personally murder any Jews.

The Swastika was a peaceful symbol before the Nazi's co-opted it.


Well, thats far ad away from the topic in discussion ...hahah

[lostalex]

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.



so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

[Shaun]

-can't help but think this thread was created with these outcomes in mind :tongue:-

[Jesus.]

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

[swinearefine]

I think it's fine to use "offensive" words if it's in a lighthearted way and no offense is meant. I think it takes the stigma away from the word and gives it less power. I personally don't let words bother me... they're just words; it's the intention that matters.

[lostalex]

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

[Jesus.]

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

[lostalex]

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

aware of what? what does that have to do with ANYTHING i said, or ANYTHING to do with your response to me?

try making sense.

are you playing stupid like ironically or something? cause it's not cute if you think it is.

[Niamh.]

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

I agree with this. I mean I'm not saying that I think we are responsible as such, for things our ancestors did but I don't see what the problem is with showing a bit of respect either for Black peoples history.

I know I for one have no call to use the word ****** in my life and I don't see what the issue of not using it is with people.

[fruit_cake]

I'd never use that word, I think it's a nasty word, even if these days some people use it in a 'positive' sense. In a way using language like that, or other previously derogatory words, it's a bit like opening up Pandora's box.

I'm not really interested in the colour of a persons skin and whether I can or can't use the word with some people or others. Like Niamh seems to be saying, it's best just to avoid the whole issue in my opinion and get on with getting to know the person underneath.

[lostalex]

WHITE people didn't treat BLACK people like anything.


The VAST majority of white epople have never owned a slave (i don't know anyone that has) and the VAST majority of black epople have never BEEN sdlaves (i don't know any) so stop trying to be a racist POS accussing epople of ebing eigther slaves or slave owensers. NO one alive to day has been eigther.

i'm really getting SICK of the RACISM around here that says that WHITE people owned slaves, that VAST majority of WHITE people has NOTHING to do with slavery.

saying WHITE people are responsible for slavery is just as racist as saying that black people are lazy.

If you are not racist then you understand that you should treat peopleas INDIVIDUALS.

there is no such thing as "white people" or "black people". WE ARE ALL INDIVIDIUALS. i really am getting SICK of this racism around here.

[Brother Leon]

Well thank god you don't know anyone who owned a slave.




What with it being abolished in the 1860s...

[Jesus.]

aware of what? what does that have to do with ANYTHING i said, or ANYTHING to do with your response to me?

try making sense.

are you playing stupid like ironically or something? cause it's not cute if you think it is.

I'll humour your angry internet persona:

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

I'm not interested in thought crime. If you are alone in your house, then go for your life. If you are in the office singing to yourself, or in a karaoke bar, I'd say that would be inappropriate.

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

If it's on the news, and it's relevant, I could understand that.

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

Of course. Saying the word doesn't automatically make you a racist, but it's completely inappropriate to use, and would display a level of ignorance on the part of the user.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

No it isn't. Take former republican nominee candidate, Rick Perry. He had a farm, called "niggerhead." That's racist. I know you would like to think the world revolves us now, but we have to accept historical context. It's a question of ignorance.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Yes.

Is it less bad for a Hispanic person to use the N-word?

Hispanics shouldn't be using that word either.

What if i call a Hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

I'm not sure how many times you want me to say that only black people should be using it.

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Your point relies on assumptions about straight people, that I don't agree with. I don't use "******" either.

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

No.


Let me make this perfectly clear, just in case my other 10 posts in this thread haven't, it's not acceptable for white people to use ****** in our vocabulary. It just isn't. We can get all faux outraged about it all we like, and play victims of perceived "reverse racism", pretending that white people are now being persecuted.

We can do that. But what's the point? I find it truly disheartening that people, in the year 2012, are actually arguing this point. However, people are different so I understand that not everyone will view things in the same way.

I'm a student of history. Now that doesn't make me any better than anyone else, but I have a real appreciation of exactly what happened for centuries, as rich, white men traded people like pokemon cards. Often raping as they went along.

I'm not asking that every white person self harms on a nightly basis in order to pay penance for our forefathers, but I don't think asking us to leave ****** out of our vocabulary is worthy of the contempt that you have on display.

[lostalex]

It's perfectly acceptable for ANYONE to use any WORD as long as it doesn't come from a place of HATE.



There are no PRIVELEDGES for anyone based on race.

No one get's to use special words, no one get's to have a special culture.

what DON'T you understand about the idea of EQUALITY???

[Livia]

Any white person prepared to use the 'n' word, in any context whatsoever, has got to be a dedicated non-thinker with a respect deficit. If black people have chosen to reclaim the word, that's their choice. White people cannot decide what black people will or will not find offensive. I think black people have made it pretty clear that they feel it is okay for them to use the word, and offensive for white people to use it. It's quite easy to understand.

[lostalex]

Any white person prepared to use the 'n' word, in any context whatsoever, has got to be a dedicated non-thinker with a respect deficit. If black people have chosen to reclaim the word, that's their choice. White people cannot decide what black people will or will not find offensive. I think black people have made it pretty clear that they feel it is okay for them to use the word, and offensive for white people to use it. It's quite easy to understand.


you are a racist then. you cannot deny that you are,. you have just said that people should be judged on race and not the content of their hearts. therefore you ARE a racist. you just saiud that a black person's opinion matters more than a white person's opinion. That is racist.

You JUST said that you think it's okay for a black person to judge a white person BASED ON RACE. THAT IS RACIST.

if we lived in a fair world, you would get an infraction for being racist. what you just said IS racist. There's no way for you to deny that what you just said is racist.

You just said that people should be treated differently because of race. how is that not racist?

[Livia]

you are a racist then. you cannot deny that you are,. you have just said that people should be judged on race and not the content of their hearts. therefore you ARE a racist.

You JUST said that you think okay for a black person to judge a white person BASED ON RACE. THAT IS RACIST.

I'm a Jew, as you know Lostalex. You're always very quick - hysterically quick - to accuse others of racism, and yet you yourself are one of only two people on this forum who have abused me on the grounds that I'm Jewish. Strangely, the other person was also north American. Never had a problem with a Brit, the question never comes up. I find it highly ironic that the person on here who is always flanting around accusing others of racism is actually a bit of a racist himself.

[lostalex]

I'm a Jew, as you know Lostalex. You're always very quick - hysterically quick - to accuse others of racism, and yet you yourself are one of only two people on this forum who have abused me on the grounds that I'm Jewish. Strangely, the other person was also north American. Never had a problem with a Brit, the question never comes up. I find it highly ironic that the person on here who is always flanting around accusing others of racism is actually a bit of a racist himself.

jewish is not a race. Jewish is a choice, unlike race or sexuality, i know you would love to convince people that jews are an ethnicity though, but it's not.

Religion is a CHOICE. race and sexuality is NOT a CHOICE. so stop trying to play the victim livia.

[Jesus.]

It's perfectly acceptable for ANYONE to use any WORD as long as it doesn't come from a place of HATE.



There are no PRIVELEDGES for anyone based on race.

No one get's to use special words, no one get's to have a special culture.

what DON'T you understand about the idea of EQUALITY???

A naive idiot? Charming and smart, you're quite the catch. By using the word privilege, you are straight away insinuating through your use of language, that it is white people"allowing" black people to use the word.

It isn't, as white people we have no business using it. Black people aren't restricted by those same rules.

Poor white people, being discriminated against because we can't go round using "******" in our vocabulary.

[Livia]

jewish is not a race. Jewish is a choice, unlike race or sexuality, i know you would love to convince people that jews are an ethnicity though, but it's not.

Religion is a CHOICE. race and sexuality is NOT a CHOICE. so stop trying to play the victim livia.

And you think others are naive.

[InOne]

Regarding Black people and the N word. They use it with themselves as an insult and a none insult, it's pretty interchangeable it seems. Can any Black person give any decent reason why they should use the N word so casually with eachother when it caused so much pain for their ancestors? I've not heard one yet, that little question is often swiftly deflected.

[fruit_cake]

Regarding Black people and the N word. They use it with themselves as an insult and a none insult, it's pretty interchangeable it seems. Can any Black person give any decent reason why they should use the N word so casually with eachother when it caused so much pain for their ancestors? I've not heard one yet, that little question is often swiftly deflected.

It seems to me that the new generations don't really understand fully the old connotations that word must have had for people, and just think it's a bit of a joke really

[Kizzy]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7YoqWoS_FtI/TbssKOj72lI/AAAAAAAAKSU/dV7sp62WjmI/s1600/Can+of+Worms.jpg

[Jesus.]

This had potential to be a really good thread, but unfortunately it's had so much stripped out of it, it's sort of ground to a halt.

[InOne]

It seems to me that the new generations don't really understand fully the old connotations that word must have had for people, and just think it's a bit of a joke really

The ignorant masses eh.

[Kizzy]

This had potential to be a really good thread, but unfortunately it's had so much stripped out of it, it's sort of ground to a halt.

Its had your 'handbags at 50 paces' comments with alex removed is all...;)

[fruit_cake]

The ignorant masses eh.

ignorance is bliss I guess!

[Brother Leon]

**** it, I'll bite for the very last time.



Reasons why Black people use the N Word and White people shouldn't etc.


1. As stated around 8 times already in the thread, It is considered to be a way of reclaiming the word back from when it was used during slavery.


2. 99.9% of the time it is used by black people it is similar to White people going "How's it going dude" etc.

3. The same way, I don't use the word P**i or F*g yet Pakistanis and gay people would use to towards each other.

4. Now are you ready for the REAL PROPER REASON? Good



Do you not think about some of the "ghosts" of black people's ancestors? Think about how some black people would feel hearing this word come out of a white person.... It's idiotic to compare this feeling to how it would be if black people were using.


When a black person uses the word ***** towards my father, or if my boys use it towards me etc, My father would not think of that person holding a whip and barking orders towards him as he is worked like an animal, he wouldn't think of that person forcing him to go to the back of the bus, he wouldn't get images of being hung, pointed and laughed at. This is just how life is.

If you really do no understand why it is still used by black people, then you should just ask one in person, because I am outty.

[Livia]

**** it, I'll bite for the very last time.... etc. etc.



Eloquently put, King A.

[InOne]

Why would you want to reclaim a word that started off derogatory in the first place?

And please don't get on your high horse with all this "biting" nonsense, can people not just ask questions these days without people jumping to the worst?

[Jesus.]

Its had your 'handbags at 50 paces' comments with alex removed is all...;)

It's had a lot removed from last night. We've started page 5 of this thread about 15 different times. I've had a few posts removed from last night too (some correctly, some questionably), and I think some of yours have been deleted.

[Jesus.]

**** it, I'll bite for the very last time.



Reasons why Black people use the N Word and White people shouldn't etc.


1. As stated around 8 times already in the thread, It is considered to be a way of reclaiming the word back from when it was used during slavery.


2. 99.9% of the time it is used by black people it is similar to White people going "How's it going dude" etc.

3. The same way, I don't use the word P**i or F*g yet Pakistanis and gay people would use to towards each other.

4. Now are you ready for the REAL PROPER REASON? Good



Do you not think about some of the "ghosts" of black people's ancestors? Think about how some black people would feel hearing this word come out of a white person.... It's idiotic to compare this feeling to how it would be if black people were using.


When a black person uses the word ***** towards my father, or if my boys use it towards me etc, My father would not think of that person holding a whip and barking orders towards him as he is worked like an animal, he wouldn't think of that person forcing him to go to the back of the bus, he wouldn't get images of being hung, pointed and laughed at. This is just how life is.

If you really do no understand why it is still used by black people, then you should just ask one in person, because I am outty.

Racist :joker:

[Roy Mars III]

Why would you want to reclaim a word that started off derogatory in the first place?

And please don't get on your high horse with all this "biting" nonsense, can people not just ask questions these days without people jumping to the worst?

to make it less derogatory...?

[Roy Mars III]

It seems to me that the new generations don't really understand fully the old connotations that word must have had for people, and just think it's a bit of a joke really

the n word has been used this way since the late 70s, early 80s at least. It's nothing new

[Brother Leon]

Why would you want to reclaim a word that started off derogatory in the first place?

And please don't get on your high horse with all this "biting" nonsense, can people not just ask questions these days without people jumping to the worst?


The reasons have been stated time and time again in the thread.

*shrugs*

I am genuinely sorry if you feel that way, but the thread has been pages of repeating the same points :laugh:

[InOne]

to make it less derogatory...?

But the word will always have massive connotations, it's pretty much a fact.

[Brother Leon]

Racist :joker:

I should hold an 8 week ban tbh :( :laugh:

[InOne]

The reason's have been stated time and time again in the thread.

*shrugs*

I am genuinely sorry if you feel that way, but the thread has been pages of repeating the same points :laugh:

Yeah I can see it has gone round in circles and that, but I wasn't trying to stir anything up. I think it's better to get everything out so there's not a barrier of ignorance if you get me. If people understand, then they can't use ignorance as an excuse to be casually racist.

[SoBig]

Are blacks still savages?...no!

This quote is hilarious to me.

Black people were savages, but it was white people that murdered and raped the Native Americans. Killed off an entire race of people. Black people were the savages, but it was white people that enslaved African slaves for hundred of years and treated them like animals because of the color of their skin. Black people were the savages, but it was white people that started the holocaust to murder other whites, because of their religiousness beliefs, hair and eye colour.

So who were really the savages here?

Why, because when they use it is not racist, it is just another insult.

What N-word are you talking about here?

The one that ends in "er" or "a"?

The one that ends in "a" is used as homie, friend etc.

[SoBig]

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?
Why are you always contradicting yourself?

You don't believe that race even exists and I know you know that Hispanic is not a race. So why are you even posting that? There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics etc. You already know this. So why even make this post?

[SoBig]

Is it less bad for a Hispanic person to use the N-word?

Hispanics shouldn't be using that word either.

What if i call a Hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

I'm not sure how many times you want me to say that only black people should be using it.

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Your point relies on assumptions about straight people, that I don't agree with. I don't use "******" either.

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

No.
Hispanic is not a race though. So you are saying its not okay for Hispanics to say it, but its okay for non-Hispanic blacks to say it?

There are black Hispanics too. Their ancestors were slaves just like the non-Hispanic blacks were. Their ancestors just happened to land in a Spanish speaking colony and not in an English one.

Categorizing people by the language that they speak is dumb when you are having a race topic. Makes no sense.

[SoBig]

jewish is not a race. Jewish is a choice, unlike race or sexuality, i know you would love to convince people that jews are an ethnicity though, but it's not.

Religion is a CHOICE. race and sexuality is NOT a CHOICE. so stop trying to play the victim livia.
You are right. Jewish is not a race.

[Mystic Mock]

As I see it,no other ethnicity gets to have special words so why should black people? ****** imo should be banned unless it's a joke between friends.

[SoBig]

As I see it,no other ethnicity gets to have special words so why should black people? ****** imo should be banned unless it's a joke between friends.
Joke between friends? There is nothing funny about the N-word. Are you ********** kidding me? The N-word has tons of a blood and suffering on it. That's why it shouldn't be used by anyone. Especially by white people.

The N-word is arguably the most disgusting word in the English Language.

[Mystic Mock]

Joke between friends? There is nothing funny about the N-word. Are you ********** kidding me? The N-word has tons of a blood and suffering on it. That's why it shouldn't be used by anyone. Especially by white people.

I would preferably ban the word altogether aswell but you would have some people kick up a stink,also if the majority want the word then they should be able to use it if it's a joke,although I think other racial jokes are better than that one.

[SoBig]

I would preferably ban the word altogether aswell but you would have some people kick up a stink,also if the majority want the word then they should be able to use it if it's a joke,although I think other racial jokes are better than that one.

*shakes head*

Tell me how the N-word can be used as a joke. Please tell me.

You would only find the N-word funny if you are a racist. Its that simple.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i find it funny sometimes and im not racist

[Mystic Mock]

*shakes head*

Tell me how the N-word can be used as a joke. Please tell me.

You would only find the N-word funny if you are a racist. Its that simple.

I don't know but some people find that term can be funny.

[InOne]

I think Black people themselves have taken away some of the meaning of it for using it so casually with eachother.

[SoBig]

i find it funny sometimes and im not racist

I don't know but some people find that term can be funny.

If you know the history behind the N-word and the amount of pain it still causes to this very day to a group of people. How in the world can you find the use of that word funny under any circumstance?

[ILoveTRW]

wow this is my most boring thread ever :bored:

[Mystic Mock]

wow this is my most boring thread ever :bored:

I think it's your best.:hugesmile:

Anyway SoBig I don't get why people find it funny but they do,I prefer other racist jokes to that but each to there own.

[Redway]

And you think others are naive.

As I see it,no other ethnicity gets to have special words so why should black people? ****** imo should be banned unless it's a joke between friends.
Wrong. As a white person, I've been called "cracker" a few times. In fact, pakistanis get called "*****", so you're wrong, I'm afraid.
*shakes head*

Tell me how the N-word can be used as a joke. Please tell me.

You would only find the N-word funny if you are a racist. Its that simple.

That's not true. I call my black friends *****s and they don't mind. In fact, they do it between themselves. The ONLY time people will take offense to that is if it's used in an offensive way. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

[Scarlett.]

I'm not one for racism but [obvious racist statement here]

[Kizzy]

It's had a lot removed from last night. We've started page 5 of this thread about 15 different times. I've had a few posts removed from last night too (some correctly, some questionably), and I think some of yours have been deleted.

What?!
http://manolobeauty.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/disney-snow-white-evil-queen.bmp

[ILoveTRW]

I'm not one for racism but [obvious racist statement here]

err how am i racist i have a friend who when out with a black guy.

[Glenn.]

err how am i racist i have a friend who when out with a black guy.

Do you realize how immature this post is don't you?

[Kizzy]

err how am i racist i have a friend who when out with a black guy.

Can you explain this post please?

[GypsyGoth]

He was joking.

[Brother Leon]

Wrong. As a white person, I've been called "cracker" a few times. In fact, pakistanis get called "*****", so you're wrong, I'm afraid.


That's not true. I call my black friends *****s and they don't mind. In fact, they do it between themselves. The ONLY time people will take offense to that is if it's used in an offensive way. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

No offense, but this shouldn't be cool.



& I can assure you this is not true in the slightest bro :joker:

[ILoveTRW]

He was joking.

lol, it goes right over some peoples heads
the fact that some people don't realise the title of the thread is a piss take is amusing enough.

[MTVN]

err how am i racist i have a friend who when out with a black guy.

:joker: