At least five police officers have been injured after being attacked in east London

[michael21]

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16194282

that scary :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Ninastar]

knew it would be a pitbull before I even finished reading it

this breed of dog needs to be banned already

[michael21]

knew it would be a pitbull before I even finished reading it

this breed of dog needs to be banned already

how will you banned them :suspect:

[Brother Leon]

knew it would be a pitbull before I even finished reading it

this breed of dog needs to be banned already

I'll empty a whole clip before the day my dog is taken away from me.

[Kizzy]

I believe if your dog attacks someone you should be tried as if you committed the crime yourself.

[michael21]

I'll empty a whole clip before the day my dog is taken away from me.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Wanzijia.jpg/220px-Wanzijia.jpg

is your dog good

[Roy Mars III]

knew it would be a pitbull before I even finished reading it

this breed of dog needs to be banned already

sadly many people train them to be this way.

[michael21]

I believe if your dog attacks someone you should be tried as if you committed the crime yourself.

i think the owners should be fined £758.

[Roy Mars III]

I believe if your dog attacks someone you should be tried as if you committed the crime yourself.

if it's a serious attack, I agree.

[Kizzy]

i think the owners should be fined £758.

Sounds a fair figure...£758 for everyday you are affected...Which could potentially be the rest of your life.

[arista]

On ITV1 London Local news now
The Dog first attacked the officer's leg
and being half pit bull , half doberman
it would not let go of his leg.

(I wonder if his leg will have to be removed?)

They went to arrest a criminal
but did not think the Dog from Hell
would be there.


That Criminal will now
have the dangerous dog added as another charge.

[Vicky.]

People always blame the dogs...but its usually how they are brought up

That said, my mum got a lakeland terrior pup when I was about 15. We brought it up right, the same as our other dogs (who we had never ever had a problem with, softest dogs you could ever meet) but it attacked my sister one day for no reason. Ripped her arm open. Turns out it came from a 'working dogs' family and this is likely to be why. So I guess sometimes you cant train the violence out of the dog :/

Does always seem to be pitbulls though...I wonder if this is because (and no offence to anyone who has a pitbull) they seem to be very popular amongst young chavs who probably dont even know how to look after a dog. The reason they are popular among those people is probably because the dogs are typically viewed as dangerous...

[arista]

People always blame the dogs...but its usually how they are brought up

That said, my mum got a lakeland terrior pup when I was about 15. We brought it up right, the same as our other dogs (who we had never ever had a problem with, softest dogs you could ever meet) but it attacked my sister one day for no reason. Ripped her arm open. Turns out it came from a 'working dogs' family and this is likely to be why. So I guess sometimes you cant train the violence out of the dog :/

Does always seem to be pitbulls though...I wonder if this is because (and no offence to anyone who has a pitbull) they seem to be very popular amongst young chavs who probably dont even know how to look after a dog. The reason they are popular among those people is probably because the dogs are typically viewed as dangerous...


Yes True
this Criminal at that house trained his dog to attack police etc.

[MTVN]

Thought we had another riot on our hands just reading the thread title

[Brother Leon]

My Dog is "good" and been raised properly, but it has attacked someone before.


Sue me,Fine me,Jail me, shoot me tbh.

[Jesus.]

I'll empty a whole clip before the day my dog is taken away from me.

If the police came to get me, my cat would be helping them, not protecting me.

[Kizzy]

I agree, lads use dogs as accesories too, and it seems to go in phases a few years ago it was dobermans and rotwielers then alsatians or german shepherds. now its pitbulls or staffs

[Vicky.]

My Dog is "good" and been raised properly, but it has attacked someone before.


Sue me,Fine me,Jail me, shoot me tbh.

Any reason why, or just a random attack? :S

[Jesus.]

My Dog is "good" and been raised properly, but it has attacked someone before.


Sue me,Fine me,Jail me, shoot me tbh.

What kind of dog is it?

[Vicky.]

I agree, lads use dogs as accesories too, and it seems to go in phases a few years ago it was dobermans and rotwielers then alsatians or german shepherds. now its pitbulls or staffs

Some kid actually set his doberman on my mother in law a month or so ago when she was walking back from the shop late at night. Shes still relatively fit though and she was quite close to her house so managed to get in before it got to her

Its really scary though because she lives in sheltered accommodation and a lot of the people round there have trouble walking. if it had been anyone else that the dog had been set on, they would have been caught as they cant move as quickly :/

[Ammi]

People always blame the dogs...but its usually how they are brought up
That said, my mum got a lakeland terrior pup when I was about 15. We brought it up right, the same as our other dogs (who we had never ever had a problem with, softest dogs you could ever meet) but it attacked my sister one day for no reason. Ripped her arm open. Turns out it came from a 'working dogs' family and this is likely to be why. So I guess sometimes you cant train the violence out of the dog :/

Does always seem to be pitbulls though...I wonder if this is because (and no offence to anyone who has a pitbull) they seem to be very popular amongst young chavs who probably dont even know how to look after a dog. The reason they are popular among those people is probably because the dogs are typically viewed as dangerous...

..I agree..although I suppose there are 'bad' dogs the same as there are 'bad' people..but on the whole I think it's the owners

[Kizzy]

Some kid actually set his doberman on my mother in law a month or so ago when she was walking back from the shop late at night. Shes still relatively fit though and she was quite close to her house so managed to get in before it got to her

Its really scary though because she lives in sheltered accommodation and a lot of the people round there have trouble walking. if it had been anyone else that the dog had been set on, they would have been caught as they cant move as quickly :/

OMG! did she report it?...what if they do it again?

[Brother Leon]

Any reason why, or just a random attack? :S

It was more of an "attempted attack" if that makes sense. Was close though. I genuinely got no idea what was going through it's head at the time. I know they get Jealous easily if you pay attention to someone else for abit,which is why some attacks happen in the home, but this wasn't one of those :s . Thankfully It was outside and on a leash and I was able to control it enough to an extent that it only bit the woman's trouser slightly.

Never seen him like that before.. :(

[Kizzy]

It was more of an "attempted attack" if that makes sense. Was close though. I genuinely got no idea what was going through it's head at the time. I know they get Jealous easily if you pay attention to someone else for abit,which is why some attacks happen in the home, but this wasn't one of those :s . Thankfully It was outside and on a leash and I was able to control it enough to an extent that it only bit the woman's trouser slightly.

Never seen him like that before.. :(

I can't be sure, but i think your dog might be gay?

[Vicky.]

OMG! did she report it?...what if they do it again?

Yeah she did, hasnt heard anything back though. She told the police and the council, but theres always things like that happen round there. i guess its because people know its mostly elderly/disabled people there so they pick on them :bored:
It was more of an "attempted attack" if that makes sense. Was close though. I genuinely got no idea what was going through it's head at the time. I know they get Jealous easily if you pay attention to someone else for abit,which is why some attacks happen in the home, but this wasn't one of those :s . Thankfully It was outside and on a leash and I was able to control it enough to an extent that it only bit the woman's trouser slightly.

Never seen him like that before.. :(

Sounds bad :S

Our labrador tried to attach a neighbour once apparently when I was like 6 months old. My mum had took me and the dogs for a walk and some bloke helped her get my buggy over a step thing...and my mum says she thinks the dog thought he was attacking me. Its really rare for labs to attack too. Was the only time the dog ever did anything to anyone, it never even barked at anyone ever. sometimes you just dont know

[Livia]

If the police came to get me, my cat would be helping them, not protecting me.

It would probably be the cat that grassed you up.

[Brother Leon]

He's a Rottweiler Jesus.

Kizzy...I don't get the joke?




Besides Caitlin, Pitbulls are illegal already in the U.K. Ridiculous tbh.

[Vicky.]

Besides Caitlin, Pitbulls are illegal already in the U.K. Ridiculous tbh.

Are they really? A few people round here have them D:

[Kizzy]

Vicky thats awful, poor woman is there no CCTV footage?

[Kizzy]

Are they really? A few people round here have them D:

Its only american bull terriers i thought?

[Livia]

Pitbulls are illegal. The article says "pitbull-type".

[Kizzy]

He's a Rottweiler Jesus.

Kizzy...I don't get the joke?




Besides Caitlin, Pitbulls are illegal already in the U.K. Ridiculous tbh.

No joke a friend had a springer spaniel like that, it was a gay dog.

[Brother Leon]

Pit Bull Terriers are banned as far as I know.


They look so nice aswell :(

[Vicky.]

Vicky thats awful, poor woman is there no CCTV footage?

Nope. People round there have been asking for cameras for a long time. Some have them pointed on their doors and that but obviously the residents cant afford to (or probably couldnt even do it at all) properly camera the whole estate

The police just dont seem to care, even though I'm sure around 50% of all calls made in the whole area come from that estate/street (dunno what to call it because theres only like 40 houses or something but not on A street, but not big enough to be considered an estate)

[Jesus.]

It would probably be the cat that grassed you up.

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu278/Epicurus09/Image0029-1.jpg

He looks pretty smug about the fact that I'm going to prison.

[Brother Leon]

I'm scared of Cats :(

It's quite funny when I think about it as people usually are scared of Dogs more.

[arista]

I'm scared of Cats :(

It's quite funny when I think about it as people usually are scared of Dogs more.


But this Dog was trained to Kill
and never let go of your leg

[Kizzy]

Any chance of help from councillors or local charities.. Are you in England or Scotland vicky?

[Vicky.]

Any chance of help from councillors or local charities.. Are you in England or Scotland vicky?

England

I actually tried to persuade her to try contacting the local MP as they can help with stuff like that but she doesnt seem to be having any of it :laugh:

[Jesus.]

I'm scared of Cats :(

It's quite funny when I think about it as people usually are scared of Dogs more.

If sizes were the other way round between us and dogs, they'd still love and adore us. But cats would rip us to shreds after torturing us for a while.

Solitary predators are automatically more menacing.

[Vicky.]

If sizes were the other way round between us and dogs, they'd still love and adore us. But cats would rip us to shreds in a second, after torturing us for a while.

Solitary predators are automatically more menacing.
When I read that I looked up and my cat was proper glaring at me

Way to make me paranoid about her hating me and dreaming of mauling me :joker:

[Jesus.]

When I read that I looked up and my cat was proper glaring at me

Way to make me paranoid about her hating me and dreaming of mauling me :joker:

You know it's true though. We're just meat dispensers to them, why not turn us into one big meal?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/22/article-2118774-124A1068000005DC-576_634x533.jpg
The Blood from the Officers leg
which the dog would not let go .

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/22/article-2118774-1249C176000005DC-273_634x492.jpg
More Blood from the battle with the Dog.

Horrified neighbours described hearing the frantic cries for help
as the animal sank its teeth into an officer's leg at about 9.30am
in Albert Square, Stratford, before it turned on the other four.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118774/Five-police-officers-mauled-pit-bull-type-dog-raid-suspects-home.html#ixzz1psHSDdtw

[Brother Leon]

Footage of the incident..19:30 BBC1 &

BBC 1 HD

[Livia]

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu278/Epicurus09/Image0029-1.jpg

He looks pretty smug about the fact that I'm going to prison.

He's feigning disinterest, but he's planning something...

Cute pink nose.

[Jesus.]

He's feigning disinterest, but he's planning something...

Cute pink nose.

Thanks, but what do you think about my cat? :joker:

[thesheriff443]

your cat has some crazy ears,

[Mrluvaluva]

There's some footage on the SKY website Arista.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/23/article-2118774-124A413F000005DC-118_634x380.jpg
More photos from yesterday.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/23/article-2118774-124A4172000005DC-60_634x380.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/23/article-2118774-124A493D000005DC-969_634x380.jpg
The Dog had to be shot 4 times to stop it.

The Criminal Owner is at fault
he got that dog to attack.

[Kizzy]

This is where pepper spray would be useful, the animal would become too disorientated to continue the attack, but no lasting damage.

[lostalex]

I'll empty a whole clip before the day my dog is taken away from me.

that's a mature response. just out of curtiosity, how many bullets are there exactly in a clip? how many people are you willing to kill for a dog??

[lostalex]

People always blame the dogs...but its usually how they are brought up


umm, Isn't that true of HUmans too??

[Kizzy]

Some breeds are just inherantly more aggressive than others, and even with the best trainer in the world their natural instincts will surface I think.

[joeysteele]

I agree, lads use dogs as accesories too, and it seems to go in phases a few years ago it was dobermans and rotwielers then alsatians or german shepherds. now its pitbulls or staffs

I don't see our dog as an 'accessory',he is the family pet so I cannot go all the way with your comment there.

He is a Staffordshire and his temperament is one of the best natured I have come across in a dog. Naturally he will bark in his own territorial areas, but should anyone come up to him all he does is wag his tail and given the chance would lick their hands for ages.

All dogs can be Vicious, as I said on another thread the only dog I have ever been bitten by was a Jack Russell, it is down to the owners in the main and how they treat them and how they train them too.

I was 15 when we got this Staffie and this lad,as I was then, certainly never saw him as an 'accessory', I would say a minority of lads do in reality, they see them as loving pets to the lads people see with them not accessories.

Pit Bull's for example,adding immediately that I have come across really good natured Pit Bulls most of the time, are seperated as to the dangerous dogs list from breeds such as Alsatians and Staffies for the reason they are sadly trained at times by people who want to make them like fighting dogs rather than pets,they by doing that really abuse the dog.
All dogs though can extremely vicious and capable of doing what happened with these officers.

I think you or someone else made an earlier point though and I agree totally with it, that if a dog commits an attack on someone then one or more of the owners definately should be always prosecuted for that incident.

The only thing I am surprised at in this incident is that the Officers didn't find out or see if there were any dogs on the premises,which is why I think as with registering as to how many people and their names are living in a property if you have a dog then that should be registered too.

All breeds of dog can turn and be very vicious and attack people, owners and others need to be aware of that,as long as owners and others take care with their dogs,all should be far safer.

I and a student friend were walking my dog the other week, harnessed and on his lead but a child ran over to him to pat him and I stopped her, the Mother was nowhere to be seen, I was in an area where dogs were allowed off the lead but I rarely ever do that so I can protect him, except in our garden.
When the Mother eventually appeared I said had my dog been off the lead and attacked her child what would she have said and done, she just looked at me and walked off.

Sadly, in a number of dog attacks, there are other irresponsible people involved in the incident too not just the dog owners.

[Marc]

:bored:

[Livia]

Lots of people bring their dogs into my office, I've always got dog treats in my drawer. I've had a Staff in here this morning... Rodney. He's the biggest, daftest softie ever. He's a good, well-behaved dog becasue he has a responsible owner. While I acknowledge there there will be a few nutty, untrainable dogs, in the main I believe that there are very few bad dogs but a ridiculously high number of bad owners.

[Marc]

Big dogs are usually just big soppy lovely things really.

Pitbulls are not nice though

[joeysteele]

Lots of people bring their dogs into my office, I've always got dog treats in my drawer. I've had a Staff in here this morning... Rodney. He's the biggest, daftest softie ever. He's a good, well-behaved dog becasue he has a responsible owner. While I acknowledge there there will be a few nutty, untrainable dogs, in the main I believe that there are very few bad dogs but a ridiculously high number of bad owners.

Exactly, I totally agree with you Livia. (I guess that will be no surprise to anyone though).

[Marc]

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice :hmph:

[Kizzy]

I don't see our dog as an 'accessory',he is the family pet so I cannot go all the way with your comment there.

He is a Staffordshire and his temperament is one of the best natured I have come across in a dog. Naturally he will bark in his own territorial areas, but should anyone come up to him all he does is wag his tail and given the chance would lick their hands for ages.

All dogs can be Vicious, as I said on another thread the only dog I have ever been bitten by was a Jack Russell, it is down to the owners in the main and how they treat them and how they train them too.

I was 15 when we got this Staffie and this lad,as I was then, certainly never saw him as an 'accessory', I would say a minority of lads do in reality, they see them as loving pets to the lads people see with them not accessories.

Pit Bull's for example,adding immediately that I have come across really good natured Pit Bulls most of the time, are seperated as to the dangerous dogs list from breeds such as Alsatians and Staffies for the reason they are sadly trained at times by people who want to make them like fighting dogs rather than pets,they by doing that really abuse the dog.
All dogs though can extremely vicious and capable of doing what happened with these officers.

I think you or someone else made an earlier point though and I agree totally with it, that if a dog commits an attack on someone then one or more of the owners definately should be always prosecuted for that incident.

The only thing I am surprised at in this incident is that the Officers didn't find out or see if there were any dogs on the premises,which is why I think as with registering as to how many people and their names are living in a property if you have a dog then that should be registered too.

All breeds of dog can turn and be very vicious and attack people, owners and others need to be aware of that,as long as owners and others take care with their dogs,all should be far safer.

I and a student friend were walking my dog the other week, harnessed and on his lead but a child ran over to him to pat him and I stopped her, the Mother was nowhere to be seen, I was in an area where dogs were allowed off the lead but I rarely ever do that so I can protect him, except in our garden.
When the Mother eventually appeared I said had my dog been off the lead and attacked her child what would she have said and done, she just looked at me and walked off.

Sadly, in a number of dog attacks, there are other irresponsible people involved in the incident too not just the dog owners.

Sorry joey, i didn't mean all lads :) I just meant the ones who use a dog as part of their hardman persona. I see it a lot in my area, and they use them as a tool to intimidate, encouraging aggressive behaviour.
The situation that vicky described is not uncommon, its really sad.
It does always seem to be the dog that is blamed in these instances, so i totally agree with you are coming from when you say its the owners, However i still maintain there are breeds that will turn irrespective of their usual good nature.

[joeysteele]

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice :hmph:

Along with Staffies I love husky's, beautiful dogs.

[Vicky.]

umm, Isn't that true of HUmans too??

No I wouldnt say so.

[Roy Mars III]

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice :hmph:

For most. There are some kind of dogs (pitbulls) who can attack for almost no reason regardless of owner

[Kizzy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118774/Dog-owner-charged-allowing-pet-maul-police-officers-raid-went-horrifically-wrong.html?ICO=most_read_modul

The footage is awful nobody even attempted to help the officer...The dog was shot 3 times :(

[joeysteele]

Sorry joey, i didn't mean all lads :) I just meant the ones who use a dog as part of their hardman persona. I see it a lot in my area, and they use them as a tool to intimidate, encouraging aggressive behaviour.
The situation that vicky described is not uncommon, its really sad.
It does always seem to be the dog that is blamed in these instances, so i totally agree with you are coming from when you say its the owners, However i still maintain there are breeds that will turn irrespective of their usual good nature.

No worries kizzy, no need to apologise. I agree with most you say anyway. I just wanted to point out that I looked on our pet different from being an accessory and to be fair most of the people I know of my age and younger are the same towards their dogs.

[MTVN]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118774/Dog-owner-charged-allowing-pet-maul-police-officers-raid-went-horrifically-wrong.html?ICO=most_read_modul

The footage is awful nobody even attempted to help the officer...The dog was shot 3 times :(

Would you step in after seeing the thing start mauling the policemans arm?

[Jack_]

I'm terrified of dogs...this doesn't do much to help. Bastard things.

[Ammi]

I'm terrified of dogs...this doesn't do much to help. Bastard things.

LOL...harsh