Skinny models

[Kizzy]

Do you have to be uber thin to model clothes...
Would it not be beneficial for models to be representative of the sizes in society?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17453822

[Marc]

let's pin them all down and force feed them cream cakes!

[Marc]

:evilgrin: that sounds dirty. my bad. I mean the bakery goods.

[Niamh.]

:laugh2: Marc!

[Livia]

If a designer wants to show of their collection to its best advantage, they choose girls that make their clothes look good. Clothes look better and hang better on tall, thin girls.

[Marc]

Livia.. you sound insightful on this topic. Do you have a history of modeling? :)

[Livia]

Livia.. you sound insightful on this topic. Do you have a history of modeling? :)

No... but I do wear clothes!

[Marc]

No... but I do wear clothes!

omg you should become a model!

or a designer, you sound so informed :laugh: :love:

[Livia]

omg you should become a model!

or a designer, you sound so informed :laugh: :love:

Hmmm...

[Saph]

Thin models sell clothes, fat girls don't.

[Marc]

Hmmm...

In fact I will fund your first line of clothes..

[lostalex]

I prefer skinnier woman. There are some really hot skinny women, they look like teenage boys. They remind me of my high school crushes.
I also like fat girls. All of my best friends have been fat girls. Fat girls are basically discriminated against in the same way as gay boys, we are both considered "disgusting" by str8 guys. so they understand us.

I just love women i guess, all of them, in all sizes. :)

[Livia]

In fact I will fund your first line of clothes..

If only I could draw. My first collection would look like a succession of bin bags that not even the tallest, skinnest model could make look like haute couture. Best I stick to my day job, I think. If you want to fund a shopping trip though, I could go for that...

[Marc]

Hmm I fear you're leading me on here.. but okay x

[Kizzy]

If a designer wants to show of their collection to its best advantage, they choose girls that make their clothes look good. Clothes look better and hang better on tall, thin girls.

Thin?...Interesting use of words there, not slim or lean?
So you looked at the models and thought they looked thin, thats how young girls see them too.
If there was more of a range to the size of a model then I feel this obssession with thinness would be reduced.

[Saph]

as Kate Moss once said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" :lovedup:

[Kizzy]

I prefer skinnier woman. There are some really hot skinny women, they look like teenage boys. They remind me of my high school crushes.
I also like fat girls. All of my best friends have been fat girls. Fat girls are basically discriminated against in the same way as gay boys, we are both considered "disgusting" by str8 guys. so they understand us.

I just love women i guess, all of them, in all sizes. :)

Thats an interesting point, why would you want to display your clothes for women and show them to their best advantage on models that look like adolecent boys?...

[InOne]

They have +size models as well

[Kizzy]

For the big catwalk shows in london and paris? I don't think they do...for the matalan catalogue maybe.

[Josy]

Thin?...Interesting use of words there, not slim or lean?
So you looked at the models and thought they looked thin, thats how young girls see them too.
If there was more of a range to the size of a model then I feel this obssession with thinness would be reduced.

So going by the thread title you find the models to be skinny and not thin? I always thought they meant the same thing tbh but that referring to someone as skinny rather than thin was supposed to be insulting.

I personally don't think theres anything wrong with thin models, they are advertising clothing that is designed for people the same size as they are just like larger models do.

I also don't think it's wrong that young girls want to be thin as long as they don't take it too far and risk their health.

[Livia]

Thin?...Interesting use of words there, not slim or lean?
So you looked at the models and thought they looked thin, thats how young girls see them too.
If there was more of a range to the size of a model then I feel this obssession with thinness would be reduced.

I used the word "thin" because you yourself used it in post number one.

How is it not an issue when you use the word, but an issue when I use it?

[Shaun]

Generally speaking thin models look the best modelling clothes... but I don't find them attractive.

[Kizzy]

I used the word "thin" because you yourself used it in post number one.

How is it not an issue when you use the word, but an issue when I use it?

I said 'uber thin' and i was not advocating it.

[fruit_cake]

as Kate Moss once said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" :lovedup:

lol but true

[Kizzy]

So going by the thread title you find the models to be skinny and not thin? I always thought they meant the same thing tbh but that referring to someone as skinny rather than thin was supposed to be insulting.

I personally don't think theres anything wrong with thin models, they are advertising clothing that is designed for people the same size as they are just like larger models do.

I also don't think it's wrong that young girls want to be thin as long as they don't take it too far and risk their health.

I define skinny as thinner than thin, and don't mean it to sound in any way insulting.
How many women are smaller than American size zero?
It is an issue that girls DO want to emulate these models, thats why im sugesting they vary a little in size....By that i don't mean obese heffers waddling down the catwalk, just a little healthier and less emaciated looking. shape.

[thesheriff443]

who wears,these clothes they model,
seriously what they wear on the cat walk is only for some one like ,lady gaga,

[Livia]

I said 'uber thin' and i was not advocating it.

So you can use a word, but take issue when I use it in the same context. That makes sense.... to you I guess.

I don't mind that designers use thin, skinny, emaciated, gaunt or otherwise underweight women. The clothes hang beautifully on them and that's the idea - because they are models. The largest group who does seem to have a problem with skinny models seems to be overweight women who want to see more of their kind modelling. Putting designer clothes on fat women isn't going to do anything for the clothes... although it might make little girls think, Christ, I don't want to look like that.

[Kizzy]

So you can use a word, but take issue when I use it in the same context. That makes sense.... to you I guess.

I don't mind that designers use thin, skinny, emaciated, gaunt or otherwise underweight women. The clothes hang beautifully on them and that's the idea - because they are models. The largest group who does seem to have a problem with skinny models seems to be overweight women who want to see more of their kind modelling. Putting designer clothes on fat women isn't going to do anything for the clothes... although it might make little girls think, Christ, I don't want to look like that.

It was not in the same context at all livia, if you can attempt to understand my reasoning behind my choice of words that would be great.

If thats your view fine, i don't happen to agree that they look better.
No one is suggesting the designers put 'fat' women in the clothes, im not sure where you got that idea from.

[Vicky.]

Some supermodels look ill. Obviously clothes look better on slim people but no need to use people who look anorexic. Doesnt really send out a good message now does it...

Plenty of tall thin people arent drastically underweight and look just fine. Use them instead. Clothes will hang good on them and it wont look like you are dressing a skeleton

[Kizzy]

Some supermodels look ill. Obviously clothes look better on slim people but no need to use people who look anorexic. Doesnt really send out a good message now does it...

Plenty of tall thin people arent drastically underweight and look just fine. Use them instead. Clothes will hang good on them and it wont look like you are dressing a skeleton

Thankyou vicky! thats the point im trying to make here.

[Livia]

It was not in the same context at all livia, if you can attempt to understand my reasoning behind my choice of words that would be great.

If thats your view fine, i don't happen to agree that they look better.
No one is suggesting the designers put 'fat' women in the clothes, im not sure where you got that idea from.

You can be such a literalist... but only when it suits you.

If you want to look at plus size models because you think they look better then that's up to you. I don't see what the problem is with designers using tall, thin models that show their clothes off to their best advantage. The better designers don't really make stuff for plus size people anyway.

The thing is Kizzy, I can't be bothered to attempt to comprehend everything you say because you're such hard work. You labour the point to death and if the only way you can come back at someone is to criticise them for using EXACTLY THE SAME WORD that you used, then that's what you do. I don't know if it's an attempt to make yourself look smarter, but seriously... it's not working. It is mildly amusing though, which is why I don't have you on ignore right now.

[Kizzy]

Livia, i don't agree with you and there is no need to be so rude, im done being patronised by you please do ignore me then if thats how you feel.

[Marsh.]

I prefer skinnier woman. There are some really hot skinny women, they look like teenage boys. They remind me of my high school crushes.
I also like fat girls. All of my best friends have been fat girls. Fat girls are basically discriminated against in the same way as gay boys, we are both considered "disgusting" by str8 guys. so they understand us.

I just love women i guess, all of them, in all sizes. :)

For a gay man it may be a dream come true but what kind of a woman wants to look like a prepubescent boy? They look stupid and ugly.


as Kate Moss once said "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" :lovedup:

Maybe she meant "skinny" as in "slim" but skinny to me means underweight and malnourished. And that does not feel good at all IMO, I was too skinny all through my teens and I hated it. Models with lollipop heads look ridiculous.

When your bones are clearly visible through your skin then you know you've gone too far.


For the big catwalk shows in london and paris? I don't think they do...for the matalan catalogue maybe.

lol but true

:hugesmile:

[Shaun]

generally speaking gay men aren't attracted to women, marsh :) nice jibe though.

[thesheriff443]

people that use the ignore list should not be on a public forum!
if you cant deal with someone having a different opinion than yours than you need to get some profession help,
fat girls all have a skinny ones inside them,or two or three,lol

[Bollo]

Personally i think tall slim girls show off the clothes better. I do part time fashion design and for my final year fashion shows and any photography I use generally use models that are size 8/10 and under. The height doesn't matter as much to me tho as I do clothes for petite women too, but 5 ft 6 and over is preferable

[Ammi]

When a thin/skinny/slim model will show off the clothes better..then it seems like the obvious thing to do...it's nothing new...Twiggy invented that look in the sixties
There are some clothes that don't suit the smaller size and fuller figures models are used....the shape should suit the style imo

[Locke.]

Pics needed to compare

[Ammi]

http://images-partners-tbn.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtHrdCVrzbWUcjzwE76pcMBRw9JnGj6 rwaJ5KOOGdW8MW5RE6_:plussizemodelsunite.files.word press.com/2011/03/25g1.jpg%3Fw%3D450 .....Katya Zharkova

http://images-partners-tbn.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5F5b89nquHfCDBLIf_5-6GI2tQBoCv4DsdyUG9yLKnlVGzzOFeg:www.modelsblog.inf o/content/2006/08/kate_moss_blonde_catwalk_004.jpg..Kate Moss

[Kizzy]

This...

http://www.blogcdn.com/lifestyle.aol.co.uk/media/2012/03/modelpa-1330703969.jpg

or this...
http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2010724//293.hilton.cm.82410.jpg

[Novo]

Nicky Hilton is just as skinny as the top one

[fruit_cake]

This...

http://www.blogcdn.com/lifestyle.aol.co.uk/media/2012/03/modelpa-1330703969.jpg

or this...
http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2010724//293.hilton.cm.82410.jpg

Something inbetween the two would be best imo

[King Gizzard]

+ size >>>>


only a dog wants a bone

[King Gizzard]

Crystal Renn >>>

http://www.judgmentofparis.com/cr/crystal04.jpg

[King Gizzard]

Unfortunately she went skinny

[Saph]

curvy is ok for editorial shoots or magazine ads etc.. but for runway, thin models are better to show off a garment (unless its specifically for big girls obviously)

[Bollo]

Something inbetween the two would be best imo

I have to agree, the first one is too skinny and the second one is too chunky..

[Brother Leon]

The second one looks beautiful :s


I get so bored of girls saying they are too skinny or fat when it is far from the case. "You look fine how you are" doesn't mean anything to them :\ :(

[King Gizzard]

I must just be a chubber chaser then lol

[Mystic Mock]

I think normal sized girls should be the models as they are better looking and your advertising to be healthy so it's a win,win.

[Mystic Mock]

I have to agree, the first one is too skinny and the second one is too chunky..

Which girl looks chunky? both of the normal sized girls look beautiful imo.

And why does the 3rd picture girl look like shes about to collapse?

[Marsh.]

generally speaking gay men aren't attracted to women, marsh :) nice jibe though.

Hence why I mentioned the fact gay men/lostalex finds said models attractive merely because they look like "teenage boys". They are still women and aren't supposed to.

[Bollo]

Which girl looks chunky? both of the normal sized girls look beautiful imo.

And why does the 3rd picture girl look like shes about to collapse?

I am not disputing that any of the girls aren't beautiful, and there is nothing wrong with larger girls, they are beautiful too. I just mean purely from a fashion designers point of view, couture clothes hang better on the slim girls. It's the way we design too, whereas in real life it would be 6/7 heads to a body, in fashion design it's 9/10 heads to a body..

[Mystic Mock]

I am not disputing that any of the girls aren't beautiful, and there is nothing wrong with larger girls, they are beautiful too. I just mean purely from a fashion designers point of view, couture clothes hang better on the slim girls. It's the way we design too, whereas in real life it would be 6/7 heads to a body, in fashion design it's 9/10 heads to a body..

I know and I think the Fashion Designers need there head tested.:joker:

[Bollo]

I know and I think the Fashion Designers need there head tested.:joker:

I know it doesn't seem right and I promise to get my head checked in the morning :hugesmile: but believe me, I've tried using curvier girls with my designs and they just don't look right...sorry...

[iRyan]

Here's the thing: Models aren't met to look like "normal" girls. They aren't supposed to be representations of normal people. If they were, they would just grab regular random girls off the street. The truth is clothing, especially haute couture or expensive designer clothing, looks best on tall, skinny girls. Much like a mannequin. The fashion industry is all about portraying a fantasy of sort, that's rare and unique. Because that's what expensive luxury is all about.

I hate the notion that skinny or underweight = anorexic or unhealthy. HELLO, some people out there are NATURALLY thin, and many of the models on the runway ARE naturally thin - which is how they got discovered in the first place: for being, tall, thin, and looking like a model. I had how people claim just because your skinny, your not healthy. It's ridiculous. Not everyone's bodies are the same.

It'd be reasonable to use a regular or plus sized model for an average, mass commercial brand like Target or Macy's. But when it comes to designers, that's not the look they want. Because people who buy designer clothes don't want to look like everyone else.

There has been more body diversity in the modeling industry lately though, which more curvy-skinny girls on the runway, not just stick thin ones.

Take Lara Stone, for example. She is the #1 model in the world right now. And she's more curvy than most other runway models.

http://www.anneofcarversville.com/storage/lara-stone-1-3-22-11.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1300791280114



And also Barbara Palvin and Crystal Renn

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-47agXJzfOMU/TtfHrrzd8PI/AAAAAAAAB7I/NA7LwLwIlbg/s00/9.pnghttp://i.huffpost.com/gen/201361/CRYSTAL-RENN.jpg

Compared to other runway models...

http://www.bloggang.com/data/i/izzistyle/picture/1263739136.jpg

[Ammi]

Here's the thing: Models aren't met to look like "normal" girls. They aren't supposed to be representations of normal people. If they were, they would just grab regular random girls off the street. The truth is clothing, especially haute couture or expensive designer clothing, looks best on tall, skinny girls. Much like a mannequin. The fashion industry is all about portraying a fantasy of sort, that's rare and unique. Because that's what expensive luxury is all about.

I hate the notion that skinny or underweight = anorexic or healthy. HELLO, some people out there are NATURALLY thin, and many of the models on the runway ARE naturally thin - which is how they got discovered in the first place: for being, tall, thin, and looking like a model. I had how people claim just because your skinny, your not healthy. It's ridiculous. Not everyone's bodies are the same.

It'd be reasonable to use a regular or plus sized model for an average, mass commercial brand like Target or Macy's. But when it comes to designers, that's not the look they want. Because people who buy designer clothes don't want to look like everyone else.

There has been more body diversity in the modeling industry lately though, which more curvy-skinny girls on the runway, not just stick thin ones.

Take Lara Stone, for example. She is the #1 model in the world right now. And she's more curvy than most other runway models.

http://www.anneofcarversville.com/storage/lara-stone-1-3-22-11.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1300791280114



And also Barbara Palvin and Crystal Renn

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-47agXJzfOMU/TtfHrrzd8PI/AAAAAAAAB7I/NA7LwLwIlbg/s00/9.pnghttp://i.huffpost.com/gen/201361/CRYSTAL-RENN.jpg

Compared to other runway models...

http://www.bloggang.com/data/i/izzistyle/picture/1263739136.jpg

...good post

[iRyan]

Here's a rundown of how body size actually does differ on the runways...

http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/S2010RTW/IMARANT/RUNWAY/00110m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/S2009RTW/HACKERMAN/RUNWAY/00010m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2011/fashionshows/S2012RTW/UNGARO/RUNWAY/00240m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2012/fashionshows/F2012RTW/IMARANT/RUNWAY/00160m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2011/fashionshows/F2011RTW/HAKAAN/RUNWAY/00080m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2012/fashionshows/F2012RTW/IMARANT/RUNWAY/00020m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2010/fashionshows/F2010RTW/SMCCARTN/RUNWAY/00270m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2011/fashionshows/S2012RTW/DGABBANA/RUNWAY/00490m.jpg

[Ammi]

..they all look fairly similar LOL

[iRyan]

These are models that I think have the best body type: Joan Smalls, Karmen Pedaru, and Kendra Spears. They are skinny, but still very healthy looking.

http://www.style.com/slideshows/2012/fashionshows/F2012RTW/IMARANT/RUNWAY/00080m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2011/fashionshows/S2012RTW/DG/RUNWAY/00010m.jpghttp://www.style.com/slideshows/2011/fashionshows/S2012RTW/VERSACE/RUNWAY/00180m.jpg

[iRyan]

..they all look fairly similar LOL

Well yes, they are all skinny, but as you see the progression you can see how it changes. I mean - compare the first two pictures to the last two. There's an obvious difference.

[Ammi]

Well yes, they are all skinny, but as you see the progression you can see how it changes. I mean - compare the first two pictures to the last two. There's an obvious difference.

..yes, I can see they're slightly different...no two bodies are exactly the same....and there's 'toned' and naturally thin...they start off slim...and progress to toned I think
...it's a bit irritating when people 'knock' slim people.....it's what I am....because there's nothing we can do about it....I eat...sometimes loads....but those curves just don't happen I'm afraid

[Kizzy]

..yes, I can see they're slightly different...no two bodies are exactly the same....and there's 'toned' and naturally thin...they start off slim...and progress to toned I think
...it's a bit irritating when people 'knock' slim people.....it's what I am....because there's nothing we can do about it....I eat...sometimes loads....but those curves just don't happen I'm afraid

I think there is a big difference in the girls, the first 3 look dangerously underweight for their height. No one is knocking naturally slim people, the opposite im all for naturally slim...its abnormally skinny im opposed to it gives girls the impression that it is an acheivable norm...and its not.
The reaction from the young blokes of the forum is interesting, they dont see that image of an uber skinny girl attractive, as like alex said they look like boys.

[Vicky.]

I think there is a big difference in the girls, the first 3 look dangerously underweight for their height. No one is knocking naturally slim people, the opposite im all for naturally slim...its abnormally skinny im opposed to it gives girls the impression that it is an acheivable norm...and its not.
The reaction from the young blokes of the forum is interesting, they dont see that image of an uber skinny girl attractive, as like alex said they look like boys.

Have to agree with this.

To me, the first two in particular look like you could actually snap them. It looks so wrong.

Theres a huge difference between being naturally thin and like them. They quite clearly have to starve themselves or even be on some form of drugs to look that ill.

[CharlieO]

I prefer skinny people. I think they look better for modelling so I say go ahead.

[Lee.]

My cousin is a model and has always been naturally thin and very tall... I can nearly get my arms round her twice, but she doesn't starve herself or take drugs to stay this way, its just the way she is. I do think though that a lot of models look ill and under nourished and are obviously purposely making themselves as skinny as possible.

I do agree clothes look better on tall, slim girls but I do worry about my daughter growing up thinking these girls are how she should look..

[Jamie.]

Skinny models should be excecuted.

[Lee.]

Bring back the days of the beautiful supermodels... we had Naomi, Claudia, Linda, Elle and Cindy and they looked like this..

http://www.mizozo.com/images/item_images/35000/34163_src.jpg

Not this...

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/alex-ndra86/thinspiration/models/model24.jpg

[Samuel.]

Skinny models should be excecuted.

How's the anti-bully campaign going?

[Jamie.]

How's the anti-bully campaign going?

:blush:

[Kizzy]

lol, its not the models fault. Its the designers using unaturally thin girls. The clothes would look just as lovely on someone whos ribs are not protruding ...

[Kizzy]

I'm bumping this as it's relevant to the issues in IAC, the portrayal of women in the media/fashion. The obsession with 'thigh gap' and attractiveness for everyone in the public eye.
My opinion hasn't changed, in fact I think the fixation with the impossible ideal is getting worse.
Poor Rebecca tonight feeling inadequate, even as an olympic athlete for being a size 12- 14!

[x-evenstar-x]

This is a really interesting debate, I'm a student in the fashion industry just now and it's bugs me greatly the size we have to make our collections to. We are told it's a standard British size 12 but when we took the measurements it's about the same as a store size 6.

It's true clothes do look much better on a slim tall person but I think there's a line where they become too thin, this is a video I love of Cameron Russell doing a Ted talk. http://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_russell_looks_aren_t_everything_believe_me _i_m_a_model.html she talks about the insecurities models feel etc.

Also I'd like to note that there are people in the fashion industry trying to make a change, but a select few can't do it alone.