Races

[SoBig]

One thing i do take issue with is the media describing the attacker guy as "white" he doesn't look "white" to me. He is clearly hispanic.

i know it sounds petty to mention, but the media did try to make it a quote "white" and "black" thing, but clearly this guy is not white. And as soon as they realized he wasn't white, we never heard anything more about the guys race, i wonder why that is? Why arn't they now making it a "hispanic" and "black" thing now?? I found that very disturbing. Why were so they so willing to talk about the race issue when they thought he was white, but then when they saw the shooter was hispanic, they arn't discussing HISPANIC racism against blacks?? especially considering historically the vast majority of slavery occurred in HISPANIC countries. So you can't say that there isn't a a historical context there.

I found that very disturbing about the American Media, that they will only talk about racism where it's a white aggressor, but to talk about racism when it's a non-white aggressor? then they don't talk about race anymore.
Since when is Hispanic a race? You've even said several times on this forum that its not. You are better than that man.

Hispanic is not a racist.

[SoBig]

It does actually state that he's latino in the article I posted
Latino is not a race. Latino is based on a language and language has nothing to do with race.

[lostalex]

Since when is Hispanic a race? You've even said several times on this forum that its not. You are better than that man.

Hispanic is not a racist.

i was referring to the media. The Media considers it to be a race. havn't you noticed?

I guess it's only a race when we are talking about immigration then.... lol

[SoBig]

i was referring to the media. The Media considers it to be a race. havn't you noticed?

I guess it's only a race when we are talking about immigration then.... lol
Only ignorant people consider it to be a race and you were talking in this very thread like it was. Don't blame it on the media now.

[lostalex]

Only ignorant people consider it to be a race.

i agree.

[Niamh.]

Latino is not a race. Latino is based on a language and language has nothing to do with race.

Yes I know that but I understood what Alex meant by what he was saying.

[lostalex]

Only ignorant people consider it to be a race and you were talking in this very thread like it was. Don't blame it on the media now.

I've always blamed it on the media, so don't act like i'm changing my view. I've always said it's the media that tries to create this new magical race called "latino".

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

[SoBig]

I've always blamed it on the media, so don't act like i'm changing my view. I've always said it's the media that tries to create this new magical race called "latino".

I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
That's not what you said or even implied.
One thing i do take issue with is the media describing the attacker guy as "white" he doesn't look "white" to me. He is clearly hispanic.

arn't they now making it a "hispanic" and "black" thing now?? I found that very disturbing. Why were so they so willing to talk about the race issue when they thought he was white, but then when they saw the shooter was hispanic, they arn't discussing HISPANIC racism against blacks?? especially considering historically the vast majority of slavery occurred in HISPANIC countries. So you can't say that there isn't a a historical context there.

How does one look Hispanic?

These people that I'm going to post are Hispanic. Do they look the same to you? Then how can you say he looks or doesn't look hispanic?
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/camerondiaz/cameron_diaz1B_300_400.jpg


http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheY2FYBG9ZIGRLBGDHZG8=UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgcarlos%20delgado3.jpg


http://media.monstersandcritics.com/people/Harry_Shum_Jr_/images/group3/BBC-015569.jpg

http://www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Eva-Mendes.jpg

http://www.sportsclb.com/wp-content/uploads/Alex-Rodriguez5.jpg

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/1005150/survivor_ozzy_652_article_story_main.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0mnF9zLRThY/TvuIal8-g_I/AAAAAAAACvE/JxBnEAECbgY/s1600/jj+Barea.jpg

[lostalex]

Exactly why Latino is not a race. Something i've always said, and why i pointed out how weird it was that the US media stopped calling him "white" once they learned he was latino.


It's hilarious that you are trying to demonize what i've said, when actually i'm saying exactly what you are saying.

You really can't handle the fact that i'm agreeing with you can you?? lol

[lostalex]

I'll make it even harder for you now, tell me what race am I?

gone now.

[Roy Mars III]

jewish

[fruit_cake]

caucasian

[lostalex]

jewish

lol

[Livia]

jewish

I can vouch for the fact he's not Jewish.

[lostalex]

I can vouch for the fact he's not Jewish.

well my last name is Fieldman, you know why? cause my Dad's family thought Feldman sounded too jewish when they immigrated to America, but actually i do have some jewish ancestry livia. Actually my dad's side of the family is ve4y devided srtill to this day because half of the family (my side) wanted to conform to America and go christian, and the other side insisted on being jewish, it was a huge issue in my dad's family. It literally tore the family apart. But i was raised catholic. I don't consider myself jewish at all, but i do have jewish ancestry.

[SoBig]

Exactly why Latino is not a race. Something i've always said, and why i pointed out how weird it was that the US media stopped calling him "white" once they learned he was latino.


It's hilarious that you are trying to demonize what i've said, when actually i'm saying exactly what you are saying.

You really can't handle the fact that i'm agreeing with you can you?? lol
Its just crazy how people try to turn some things into a race. A language, (Hispanic) and a religion (Jewish). So why aren't people that Speak English in their own group or people that are catholic?

[lostalex]

OKay i edited out the pic, i just wanted to show you that i have very "latino" features whatever that means and i "pass" for latino here in california which is fine by me. , and i get mistaken for every race, i'm certainly no WASP'y racist, that's all i meant to prove.

[fruit_cake]

I always thought the races were Caucasian, Mongoliod, Negroid and one or two others like Aboriginee etc

Indian, European and Hispanic are all caucasians AFAIK

[lostalex]

Its just crazy how people try to turn some things into a race. A language, (Hispanic) and a religion (Jewish). So why aren't people that Speak English in their own group or people that are catholic?

umm, i think we are, i believe latinos call us "gringos", which i find incredibly offensive, "gringo" is basically the same as saying "spic". But they do have a word for it sobig, it's a very offensive word.

[lostalex]

I always thought the races were Caucasian, Mongoliod, Negroid and one or two others like Aboriginee etc

Indian, European and Hispanic are all caucasians AFAIK

australian aborigines are negroid. Native American Indian are mongoloid.

You are right.

those are the only REAL 3 races. (but we are all mixed race now, no one is purely any one race)

[SoBig]

I always thought the races were Caucasian, Mongoliod, Negroid and one or two others like Aboriginee etc

Indian, European and Hispanic are all caucasians AFAIK
How can you say Hispanic is Caucasian when there are Asian Hispanics and Black Hispanics?

[Niamh.]

How can you say Hispanic is Caucasian when there are Asian Hispanics and Black Hispanics?

There are also Black Europeans

[lostalex]

We are all a mix, no one is any "race". Thats why racism is an outdated term., What we should be talking about is PREJUDICE and STEREOTYPES.

[SoBig]

I always thought the races were Caucasian, Mongoliod, Negroid and one or two others like Aboriginee etc

Indian, European and Hispanic are all caucasians AFAIK
Even that sounds flawed. How can anyone say that Indians and white people are the same race? And how are Native Americans and Chinese the same race? Those groups don't even lookalike.

[fruit_cake]

How can you say Hispanic is Caucasian when there are Asian Hispanics and Black Hispanics?

oh brother

[lostalex]

Even that sounds flawed. How can anyone say that Indians and white people are the same race? And how are Native Americans and Chinese are the same race? Those groups don't even lookalike.

actually the native americans do have very asian features. it's clear that they came from the asian continent. The round faces and asian eyes are very clear.

[MTVN]

Does it really matter that much what the actual technical definitions of race are?

[fruit_cake]

Even that sounds flawed. How can anyone say that Indians and white people are the same race? And how are Native Americans and Chinese the same race? Those groups don't even lookalike.

I didn't make it up, I think it's based on facial features. The aboriginees are a seperate category as far as I know but I could be wrong.

[Niamh.]

:laugh: This is getting very complicated

[SoBig]

actually the native americas do have very asian features. it's clear that they came from the asian continent.
Yes, but you can tell them apart quite easily.

But you are right. Race doesn't exist.

[fruit_cake]

what this means if you go left at the lights and past the Italian restaurant you will become Nigerian

[SoBig]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Neighbor-joining_Tree-2.png
Thats outdated. Thats pseudoscience from hundreds of years ago.

Clearly wrong and makes no sense whatsoever.

[lostalex]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Neighbor-joining_Tree-2.png

wtf, how does it jump to english as an individual race? thats just stupid. the english were colonizers from germany/france. the celts are more of a race than "english" lol there is no such thing as an "english" race.

that chart is BS.

[fruit_cake]

English are from the caucasoid group I think

[lostalex]

and it makes it look like the mongoloid race came through the caucasoid race, that's not true
the mongoloids went east, the caucasoids went west, they are not connected like that chart suggests. i don't know where you got that chart, but it's complete BS.

[fruit_cake]

and it makes it look like the mongoloid race came through the caucasoid race, that's not true
the mongoloids went east, the caucasoids went west, they are not connected like that chart suggests. i don't know where you got that chart, but it's complete BS.

it's from wikipedia :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

[Shaun]

Some people (...not naming names) get too hung up on race on here. So silly.

[SoBig]

I hate that they put me as the thread starter. lol

[Niamh.]

I hate that they put me as the thread starter. lol

I'm sorry, yours was just the first post so it automatically puts you as the starter :laugh:

[SoBig]

I'm sorry, yours was just the first post so it automatically puts you as the starter :laugh:
lol okay.

[lostalex]

OMG SOBIG WHY YOU CREATE A THREAD ABOUT RACES, YOU MUST BE A RACIST!!!

lol

[lostalex]

j/k, that was actually a pretty decent convo, i don't have more more to say on the subject, but i thought we had a pretty good convo there for a while. Got a lot of stuff out of the way. fair dinkum.

[Niamh.]

I thin k I killed it by moving it to a separate thread though :laugh:

[fruit_cake]

the American ideas of race and the British ones seem very different. I don't think we're so aware of it over here from what I can see.

When sobig started talking about Black hispanics and white hispanics I soon became out of my depth

[lostalex]

the American ideas of race and the British ones seem very different. I don't think we're so aware of it over here from what I can see.

that's true. for instance, when American's say "asian" it means something different when british say "asian"

when brit's say asian i notice they mean south asia usually like indian and pakistani. When American's say asian, we always mean like japanese or chinese. Most american's don't even realize that india and pakistan is part of asia i think. we consider them middle eastern or "arab".

I don't know any Americans that would ever call a pakistani person "asian". we'd just call them arab or muslim.

[Niamh.]

that's true. for instance, when American's say "asian" it means something different when british say "asian"

when brit's say asian i notice they mean south asia usually like indian and pakistani. When American's say asian, we always mean like japanese or chinese. Most american's don't even realize that india and pakistan is part of asia i think. we consider them middle eastern or "arab".

I don't know any Americans that would ever call a pakistani person "asian". we'd just call them arab or muslim.

Indian or Pakistani would be the first thing that pops into my head when I hear the word Asian, If you said oriental I would think of Chinese or Japanese people, eventhough I know they're all from Asia :laugh:

[Roy Mars III]

definitely different. For example, in the united states, at least, calling someone oriental can be viewed rather negatively. oriental is used for objects.

[Niamh.]

definitely different. For example, in the united states, at least, calling someone oriental can be viewed rather negatively. oriental is used for objects.

I don't go around calling people Oriental but I would associate it with that part of the world in general more than Asian

[lostalex]

definitely different. For example, in the united states, at least, calling someone oriental can be viewed rather negatively. oriental is used for objects.

yes, that's always been my understanding also. a chinese lantern can be "oriental" or a chinese tea set can be "oriental", but i'd never call a Chinese person "oriental".

It would be like calling an English person "victorian". "victorian" refers to a specific style of English things, not English people in general.

[Redway]

What the hell is it with all these threass on racism?

[Niamh.]

What the hell is it with all these threass on racism?

This thread is not about Racism, and it was made because I moved offtopic posts from another thread.