Police racism or not?

[Kizzy]

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-racism-black-man-abuse

[Marc]

What a knob

[Marc]

Okay I've heard it all now, what the hell!!? What a disgusting person.

Glad he's been arrested.

[Ammi]

..I couldn't play the video..just read the article...the police officer referred to the colour of his skin..which is irrelevant and something police officers cannot do...they have policies..regulations which are different to some...and if he did refer to the guys skin clour..then he was really very silly...I think it's a fair cop..no pun intended

[Marc]

To answer the thread title, yes, he is being racist, very much so.

[Me. I Am Salman]

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-racism-black-man-abuse

are u 4real?

[Lee.]

Completely unacceptable behavior from the old bill! I'll bet there's more of this kind of thing than we know about too!

[Marc]

I know :rolleyes: don't know whether she's being a troll or not. Clearly this video is nothing BUT wrong!

[MTVN]

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-racism-black-man-abuse

Are you serious, you don't see anything wrong with a police officer telling someone that he strangled him because he's a "*****", telling him he'll be "dead in five years", making sexual comments about his mother and saying that "the problem with you is you will always be a n*gger"?

Are we reading the same article?

[Kizzy]

A troll? marc are you serious?
On the tape it mentions the N word which yes is completely unacceptable, but i dont hear any reference to his mum or how long he will live... The recording was started after those alleged comments.
They are in the middle of a riot here,and he was arrested due to an outstanding warrant.

[Benjamin]

He was definitely being racist.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The CPS initially decided no charges should be brought against any of the police officers.

The CPS initially said charges should not be brought against MacFarlane because the remarks did not cause the man harassment, distress or alarm.

The CPS are blatantly made up of a bunch of retarded *****wits.

[Brother Leon]

Wow...



I am going to just avoid this thread. The OP can't be serious.


I will bet my penis this gets swept under the carpet anyway. They dont even act when Police kill someone unfairly, like racism will be anything.

[thesheriff443]

there are criminals dressed as police!

[Me. I Am Salman]

The officers are from Newham as well.. NEWHAM FFS such a racially diverse borough :bored:

[Marc]

A troll? marc are you serious?
On the tape it mentions the N word which yes is completely unacceptable, but i dont hear any reference to his mum or how long he will live... The recording was started after those alleged comments.
They are in the middle of a riot here,and he was arrested due to an outstanding warrant.

The thread title said racist or not, I said he's racist, end of. You said you didn't find it that bad, so you must live on a different planet to us.

[joeysteele]

There are as in anywhere, good and bad in the Police force, this Officer was completely out of order and wrong, Whether he meant it to be or not, the comment does come across as racist.

[Kizzy]

The thread title says racist or not, and you said you didn't think there was anything wrong with the video, when clearly there is a load of racist words being used in it, therefore suggesting that you don't think racism is bad.

Marc don't try to read into my comments things that are not there....
It is an audio recording, apart from the N word what do you consider racist?

[Marc]

The whole thing Kizzy, they are treating him like vermon, and the use of 'skin color' and '******' as derogatory terms is racist. You stand alone in this argument Kizzy, everybody else has posted at how terrible this police officer has been.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Marc don't try to read into my comments things that are not there....
It is an audio recording, apart from the N word what do you consider racist?

the fact the the police officer says that being black is a problem? and he keeps going on and on about his skin colour?

[Kizzy]

The whole thing Kizzy, they are treating him like vermon, and the use of 'skin color' and '******' as derogatory terms is racist. You stand alone in this argument Kizzy, everybody else has posted at how terrible this police officer has been.

I have never been afraid to stand alone with my view marc, I don't feel they do treat him like 'vermin' thats an exaggeration.
Once again the N word is racist...
We have no idea what happened prior to the phone recording, in relation to the arrest so can't comment.

[Marc]

Then why start the thread and post it with your feelings on the matter.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I have never been afraid to stand alone with my view marc, I don't feel they do treat him like 'vermin' thats an exaggeration.
Once again the N word is racist...
We have no idea what happened prior to the phone recording, in relation to the arrest so can't comment.

OK what about strangling someone because they're a '****'? Vermin are treated better.

[Kizzy]

Then why start the thread and post it with your feelings on the matter.

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

[Me. I Am Salman]

But he physically and verbally harassed him!!!! It's all there he didn't just say the N word!!!

[Benjamin]

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

You just answered your own question. The officer was racist.

[arista]

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-racism-black-man-abuse


Yes they need to Sack that officer.

It is wrong.


I watched it on SkyNewsHD

[Lee.]

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.
It wasn't just a racist comment though... it was also bullying, assault and harassment. And whether it was just one officer or 10, it doesn't make it ok, it is in fact disgusting in this day and age!

[Jack_]

Absolutely disgusting. Officers like this give police a bad name. He was racist, insulting and by the sounds of it unnecessarily violent.

I found it unbelievable how anyone can say otherwise, it's on display for all in the clip. I'm speechless at how anyone can defend such scum.

[Lee.]

Oh Jack! Your sig! :shocked:

[Kizzy]

You just answered your own question. The officer was racist.
I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

[Jack_]

Oh Jack! Your sig! :shocked:

:laugh3:

Honestly, I think it's the best quote I've ever put in my sig. And one of the best typos I've ever seen.

[Ammi]

..I don't think blatant racism should ever be managed internally..how can racism ever be combatted if it is managed internally...these are people who the public look up to...to do the right thing

[Brother Leon]

I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

Yes it was necessary.


If a police officer spoke to me or even you like that, you would definitely want extreme action to be taken.

Open your mind.

[Kizzy]

Yes it was necessary.


If a police officer spoke to me or even you like that, you would definitely want extreme action to be taken.

Open your mind.

My mind is open thankyou, I dont think it should have gone to court.
It has been warped by the press and damaged further the reputation of the police.
And following the riots i think thats unfair as they did an amazing job.

[Brother Leon]

My mind is open thankyou, I dont think it should have gone to court.
It has been warped by the press and damaged further the reputation of the police.
And following the riots i think thats unfair as they did an amazing job.

It should of gone to court though, and he should of been punished. This Would be the first time the Media has dared speak negatively about the Police during the Riots. About time aswell.


You forget the whole thing started because of the Police's conduct.`

[Ammi]

..I think the officer 'damaged' the police and actions like his are disgraceful and should always be brought to attention..in the courts and in the press..the police force need to filter out any racists..otherwise it will always be 'damaged'...at least one has been exposed for what he is...a racist..who has no place in the police force

[Kizzy]

I understand to a point, its just a shame that one comment can wreck a career and the reputation of the whole service.

[Ammi]

..It's the way it is though..and the way it should be..racism should always be exposed...if it was the other way round..and the officer was black..and was abused for his colour..that would be wrong too..this is no different..this guy's colour has nothing to do with the offence he committed and that conversation should never have taken place..but it did..and the officer acted disgracefully....I don't know if racism is rife in the police force...or if this is more of an isolated incident..but whenever it is found it must be exposed

..and that one comment is all important..he has wiped out his career himself..with that one comment..but that's a good thing..he was exposed for what he is

[Kizzy]

It should of gone to court though, and he should of been punished. This Would be the first time the Media has dared speak negatively about the Police during the Riots. About time aswell.


You forget the whole thing started because of the Police's conduct.`

Im not going to entertain the notion anything any rioter did was justified

[Kizzy]

..It's the way it is though..and the way it should be..racism should always be exposed...if it was the other way round..and the officer was black..and was abused for his colour..that would be wrong too..this is no different..this guy's colour has nothing to do with the offence he committed and that conversation should never have taken place..but it did..and the officer acted disgracefully....I don't know if racism is rife in the police force...or if this is more of an isolated incident..but whenever it is found it must be exposed

..and that one comment is all important..he has wiped out his career himself..with that one comment..but that's a good thing..he was exposed for what he is

You can't write someone off after hearing less than two mins of a conversation ammi.
What we hear are excerps...And from what we hear he does appear as a racist, i would really like to have heard the whole of the convo to get a better perspective.

[fruit_cake]

It seems to me that the police should not be treating people like that, but the victim doesn't sound like a very nice person to me either so I won't loose any sleep worrying about his struggle.

[Tom4784]

No shadow of a doubt that it's completely wrong, there's no defending this. Officers should be above this sort of thing and if they can't do that they shouldn't be in a position of power since all they are doing is damaging the police's image and making honest and lawful Officer's jobs harder.

[Scarlett.]

My mind is open thankyou, I dont think it should have gone to court.
It has been warped by the press and damaged further the reputation of the police.
And following the riots i think thats unfair as they did an amazing job.

So you want them to sweep it under the carpet? Cause that wouldn't lead to anything would it?

[Ammi]

You can't write someone off after hearing less than two mins of a conversation ammi.
What we hear are excerps...And from what we hear he does appear as a racist, i would really like to have heard the whole of the convo to get a better perspective.

..not always you can't no...but in this case I think you can...because he did refer to his colour..in an extremely derogatory way..and the rest of the conversation is irrelevant imo..even if the whole conversation was heard..he still would have made those remarks..only wrapped inside more words..the police force are there as an example..a good and positive one..and probably most of them are..but not this guy..and imo is indefensable

[GypsyGoth]

The policeman was being racist when he made that comment. He shouldn't have brought up the suspect's skin colour, or used a racial slur towards him.

[Me. I Am Salman]

"racial slug" :laugh2:

[GypsyGoth]

"racial slug" :laugh2:

Ooops :laugh2:

[Marc]

The policeman was being racist when he made that comment. He shouldn't have brought up the suspect's skin colour, or used a racial slur towards him.

Exactly, using the color of somebodies skin in an argument is definitely racist.

[Mrluvaluva]

I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

To be fair, if they had managed this internally, and the press would have got hold of the story, they would have had a field day with it and accused the police of a cover up, and then things could have been much worse. It is in both the publics interest and the police forces that such matters are handled by the IPCC.

Nobody should be called a ******. Nobody should be called a n****r. Nobody should be told "“You’ll always have black skin. Don’t hide behind your colour.”

These men are in a position of trust with the public, and are representatives for the British police force, and they should act accordingly. If they cannot, then they should not be allowed to hold such a position. It is because of a minority of idiots that some of the public lack confidence in the force, and such ignorance and intolerance should be stamped out.

[Livia]

I come from Newham. I'm shocked that a police officer in such a racially diverse area could be so backward in his thinking that he blatantly abused someone on the grounds of his race. I might have forgiven him for the swearing... the police do a tough job and have to deal with the dregs of society at times and it must be frustrating. But there is never, ever, any excuse for using racist language. He has brought the reputation of the police into disrepute and he should be ashamed of himself.

[Brother Leon]

Im not going to entertain the notion anything any rioter did was justified

You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as


It seems to me that the police should not be treating people like that, but the victim doesn't sound like a very nice person to me either so I won't loose any sleep worrying about his struggle.

He's being racially abused. Is he supposed to reply with "Yes sir"?

[Mystic Mock]

It is racist what he said as he called him a ******,it's not like he was describing what he looked like to a higher up is it.

[Shaun]

Nobody should be called a ******.

Oh I dunno about that.

[Mrluvaluva]

Oh I dunno about that.

From a professional point of view.....

[Mystic Mock]

You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as




He's being racially abused. Is he supposed to reply with "Yes sir"?

Originally The Riots started off as a peaceful protest until Chavy teens saw an oppotunity to cause chaos and imo I don't care if the Officer went a little rough on him as The Rioters didn't care about burning family businesses down,or when that guy got ganged on by 10 people,and they left him all disorientated.

But I do agree that Police Officers that are racist should be sacked from the force as they won't be impartial on the cases to do with black or asian people.

[Shaun]

Oh right. Fair enough :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Of course its racist. The officer is supposed to be trained to not swear at the public, to not use racist language to not belittle a member of the public. Everyone is different, we are all individuals but for a trained member of the Police force to act in this way shows major shortcomings in either the way the police are being trained or the personnel they are appointing.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:bored: coincidence I was reading on lynching of blacks in the past, such as will brown (1919). I'm sure some racists deep down wish they still had the right to do it.

I also wish black people would stop using "*****" in hip hop now because literally every race is saying this now and some black people have a problem with them saying it, even though it's claimed that "*****" is different the one ending in "er"

If we want a difference it would be nice if we could start by banning that word all together and not making it ok.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I come from Newham. I'm shocked that a police officer in such a racially diverse area could be so backward in his thinking that he blatantly abused someone on the grounds of his race. I might have forgiven him for the swearing... the police do a tough job and have to deal with the dregs of society at times and it must be frustrating. But there is never, ever, any excuse for using racist language. He has brought the reputation of the police into disrepute and he should be ashamed of himself.

That's beginning to be the problem you see. Ethnics are larger in numbers in most places now, and many whites are getting pissed off about it. In some places it's even beginning to be weird to see a white person they stick out like a sore thumb. I'll say places like Ilford for example, although there it's mostly Asian rather than blacks or other.
I think racism might start to get worst again because of many things :(

-Ethnics outnumbering whites in places
-Political correctness, some whites feel they have to be correct with what they say about blacks but doesn't work the same way for blacks.
-I'll say this about Asians they are a bit too arrogant with how they get majority of jobs and that kind pisses me off a bit too.

etc....

[Mystic Mock]

Of course its racist. The officer is supposed to be trained to not swear at the public, to not use racist language to not belittle a member of the public. Everyone is different, we are all individuals but for a trained member of the Police force to act in this way shows major shortcomings in either the way the police are being trained or the personnel they are appointing.

Tbf you can't help the odd racist slipping into The Police Force as how can you prove that they are racist unless you catch them in the act?

I agree with you on the swearing and belittling though as they're suppose to be trained better than that,especially if the suspect was innocent afterall.

[Brother Leon]

Originally The Riots started off as a peaceful protest until Chavy teens saw an oppotunity to cause chaos


Not true in the slightest.


The fact so many people genuinely believe this is the case shows the Government and Police won by sweeping the real issue under the carpet.

[Mystic Mock]

Not true in the slightest.


The fact so many people genuinely believe this is the case shows the Government and Police won by sweeping the real issue under the carpet.

You genuinely believe that all them people was protesting over what happened to that guy? it's sad but it's true,half of them didn't give a **** about what happened to him and was just using it as an excuse for there greed.

And even if what you say is true,why did these people attack innocent civilians that did nothing to them?

[Brother Leon]

You genuinely believe that all them people was protesting over what happened to that guy? it's sad but it's true,half of them didn't give a **** about what happened to him and was just using it as an excuse for there greed.

And even if what you say is true,why did these people attack innocent civilians that did nothing to them?

Don't get me wrong, alot couldn't care about Mark. But you said it was a peaceful protest until Teens smelled an opportunity. This wasn't the case. But this is the message which is being portrayed. The protest was handled poorly by the police presence and in the end Tottenham wasn't even allowed to protest his shooting. Throw in the fact a Policeman threw a 15 year old girl to the ground and then it all kicked off. Throw in the fact also that people from Tottenham were angry already at the fact an unarmed man was killed and youths all over the country were angry at the fact the Police literally get away with murder resulted in the Riots.

It wasn't "Chavs" deciding to steal trainers and cause trouble for the hell of it, which Mr. Cameron or Media outlets would like everyone to believe.

[Mystic Mock]

Fair enough but alot I was hearing about seemed to be Chavs to me,although I know alot was probably protesting for Mark,thanks for reminding me of his name as my mind went blank for a second.

[MTVN]

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anger-and-frustration-at-police-drove-summer-riots-6272448.html

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anger-and-frustration-at-police-drove-summer-riots-6272448.html

Yeah was those the ones that burnt businesses down or beat the **** out of people?

Also it isn't really getting back at The Police stealing Trainers from shops,that's what makes me believe that it was Chavs doing that.

[MTVN]

Yeah was those the ones that burnt businesses down or beat the **** out of people?

Also it isn't really getting back at The Police stealing Trainers from shops,that's what makes me believe that it was Chavs doing that.

Well the study doesn't say it was the only cause

Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.

According to the data, 80% of rioters said government policy was an "important" or "very important" cause of the riots, with unemployment scoring 79%, the shooting of Mark Duggan scoring 75% and social media - which is believed to have helped facilitate the spread of the trouble across the UK's cities - scoring 74%.

Other major factors included media coverage, greed, inequality, boredom, criminality, moral decline and racial tensions, the study found

Poor parenting and gangs were also said to be an important cause of the trouble, which led to the deaths of five people and saw more than 4,000 arrested

[Brother Leon]

I don't condone the looting what so ever. That was ****ing with people's livelihoods, I however have no shame in saying I felt some of the anger shown on the streets,especially where it started at least was understandable.

[Mrluvaluva]

It wasn't "Chavs" deciding to steal trainers and cause trouble for the hell of it, which Mr. Cameron or Media outlets would like everyone to believe.

The London riots were not about this initially, but once they spread to other areas, it was mainly not about a cause, it was totally about stealing trainers, clothes and whatever else could be gained by ill gotten means. That is why I have nothing but contempt for such people who participated in towns like Manchester (my home town). If they were fighting for something they believed in, and what they were doing had a message, I would have had the utmost respect for them, but they just shat on their own doorstep for their own personal gratification. They just made things worse for themselves. They didn't change a thing.

[SoBig]

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/30/police-racism-black-man-abuse
You can't be ****ing serious. You don't see anything wrong EXCEPT the use of the N-word?

I've heard it all.

Shame on you.

[SoBig]

Are you serious, you don't see anything wrong with a police officer telling someone that he strangled him because he's a "*****", telling him he'll be "dead in five years", making sexual comments about his mother and saying that "the problem with you is you will always be a n*gger"?

Are we reading the same article?
Right. Only a racist would see this as not being racist.

[Ammi]

The London riots were not about this initially, but once they spread to other areas, it was mainly not about a cause, it was totally about stealing trainers, clothes and whatever else could be gained by ill gotten means. That is why I have nothing but contempt for such people who participated in towns like Manchester (my home town). If they were fighting for something they believed in, and what they were doing had a message, I would have had the utmost respect for them, but they just shat on their own doorstep for their own personal gratification. They just made things worse for themselves. They didn't change a thing.

..yes..the problem is..when things descend to this level..any cause..any reason..any points..just get totally lost..and there's probably fault on both sides for that..and it's a shame..because we do need to listen to why it happened..bur people became too shocked to listen

[SoBig]

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

:joker:

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=King_Anton;5051265]You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as

Don't try to second guess what im thinking....
99.9% of rioters didn't have a clue why they did it... Im well aware of social issues but the riots did nothing but reaffirm what some believe that they are the 'dregs of society'.

[Kizzy]

:joker:

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

I hope you are not accusing me there?...

[Kizzy]

You can't be ****ing serious. You don't see anything wrong EXCEPT the use of the N-word?

I've heard it all.

Shame on you.

Stop being so reactionary, we hear bits and bats of a convo...nothing more.
Why shame on me?...Its my opinion on what i heard, if you don't like it then theres nothing i can do about that. Theres no need to assume the moral high ground though.
Im glad you have heard it all, I haven't...Im learning all the time.

[Kizzy]

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anger-and-frustration-at-police-drove-summer-riots-6272448.html

Policing was a factor....but it was not the MAIN factor was it?...
I see what king anton means...The media can be so tricky in deflecting the REAL issue...Lets see from that article what 86% of those questioned thought were the reasons behind the riots?...

''Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.''

Poverty...Thats the real reason.

[MTVN]

Policing was a factor....but it was not the MAIN factor was it?...
I see what king anton means...The media can be so tricky in deflecting the REAL issue...Lets see from that article what 86% of those questioned thought were the reasons behind the riots?...

''Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.''

Poverty...Thats the real reason.

Well no I didn't say it was the main reason, and a couple posts down I even quoted that exact same bit of the article you did

[Kizzy]

Well no I didn't say it was the main reason, and a couple posts down I even quoted that exact same bit of the article you did

So you did, sorry MTVN...
I got a bit distracted haha, its not unusual though i bet for someone who has been arrested to not like the police lol.

[Brother Leon]

[QUOTE=King_Anton;5051265]You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as

Don't try to second guess what im thinking....
99.9% of rioters didn't have a clue why they did it... Im well aware of social issues but the riots did nothing but reaffirm what some believe that they are the 'dregs of society'.

You should actually research what you are talking about rather than relying on what you hear from Cameron and Clegg.


It's all good though. There is certain to be people who blame the "chavs"
Good day.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=kizzy;5051983]

You should actually research what you are talking about rather than relying on what you hear from Cameron and Clegg.


It's all good though. There is certain to be people who blame the "chavs"
Good day.

?
im sure you have either misquoted me or completely disregarded everything I said ...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

btw just in case anybody read my last posts in this thread (no lol) i wasn't trying to justify or find excuses for racism-of course not.

what i was trying to say was, on a wider scale of things there will always be racists out there, but many things happening in the society around the different cultures causes racists to finally act upon their racism ie the woman in the bus.

even if you go all the way back 1909, the lynching of will james in cairo illinois. will was apparently a criminal who was set to face legal justice but a mob of thousands white men just couldnt wait, they broke into his prison, grabbed him to be lynched in front of 10, 000 "spectators" in the centre of that town, like a circus act. the rope broke so they shot him 100 times, then cut his head off and put it on a pole......:bored: many of those happened around those times, then the photos of the lynched bodies sold as postcards. the worst seems to be lynching of jesse washington. google if you want :bored:
a woman at the lynching explained that they had tolerated the rising number of blacks for long enough, along with their behaviors-that is why the lynching of will james had been "salutary"

some reasons for acts of racism are similar to what it was back then :bored: i expect things to get worst and worst but hopefully i'm wrong otherwise i aint having no kids :bawling:

[Kizzy]

To be fair we have come a long way in terms of multiculturalism since 1909....:)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

To be fair we have come a long way in terms of multiculturalism since 1909....:)


lol. but some of the basic roots for racism seem to be same. Again refer back to the woman in the bus "look at the bus-it's filled with them" (paraphrasing) versus the woman in 1909 justifying the lynching

[InOne]

Well it's good he was caught out. Far too many things are covered up by the police in order to protect their own.

[Vicky.]

Is this thread a pisstake? I'm actually being serious too :S

On topic, yes it is most definitely police racism.

[Redway]

Are you being serious ir just taking the piss? Genuine question. You know fully well that's extremely racist. You don't need someone pointing that out to you. You KNOW you don't.

[Kizzy]

Its not a pisstake, and it was serious....
Read back, anything else I say will just be a repeat of things i've said.

[SoBig]

I hope you are not accusing me there?...
I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

[Niamh.]

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

I have to agree with this. I don't think it's even debatable tbh, it's a fact that his comments were racist.

[Kizzy]

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

You would have to quite ignorant to not take into account all the comments I have made on this topic...
And its really rude of you to accuse me of racism.
I asked for opinions.... not abuse.

[Kizzy]

I have to agree with this. I don't think it's even debatable tbh, it's a fact that his comments were racist.

Are you accusing me of racism too?...

[MTVN]

I think that, if you deny this policeman did much wrong, then you are at least being an apologist for racism

[Kizzy]

Im not..I have explained my point over the last 4 pages. Why that marks me out as a racist is beyond me.

[Niamh.]

Are you accusing me of racism too?...

I'm not accusing you of anything but I do agree that if someone thinks what the Policeman said wasn't racist then they are probably racist themselves yes.

[joeysteele]

Is this thread a pisstake? I'm actually being serious too :S

On topic, yes it is most definitely police racism.

This isn't an issue to laugh at in any way I knpw racism is a serious matter.

:hugesmile: However Vicky you are really a tonic, where have you been lately, I love the way you make a blunt post on a topic.
I can almost see the frustration you must feel, yet your blunt responses really cheer me up, :hugesmile:

They are really classic. Please never lose your humour and I know you likely weren't being humerous but I loved your response here.

[Vicky.]

This isn't an issue to laugh at in any way I knpw racism is a serious matter.

:hugesmile: However Vicky you are really a tonic, where have you been lately, I love the way you make a blunt post on a topic.
I can almost see the frustration you must feel, yet your blunt responses really cheer me up, :hugesmile:

They are really classic. Please never lose your humour and I know you likely weren't being humerous but I loved your response here.
Cheers joey, been working a lot recently so havent been able to get on much

Thanks though (and your cheques in the mail :tongue: )

[Kizzy]

I'm not accusing you of anything but I do agree that if someone thinks what the Policeman said wasn't racist then they are probably racist themselves yes.

Well, im not niamh, and I really resent that ...
Im 40yrs old and can appreciate that you cannot write someone off or make presumptions on their character after hearing 20 seconds of a partial conversation.
I may be playing devils advocate, but i refuse to be labelled due to my questioning of this audio recording.

[Niamh.]

Well, im not niamh, and I really resent that ...
Im 40yrs old and can appreciate that you cannot write someone off or make presumptions on their character after hearing 20 seconds of a partial conversation.
I may be playing devils advocate, but i refuse to be labelled due to my questioning of this audio recording.

I don't know why you're taking my comment to someone elses post as a personal attack on your self :conf: That's my opinion.

[thesheriff443]

kizzy i dont think you are racist,
but i do think you like to go against the grain,
your posts always gets people posting!,

[Kizzy]

I don't know why you're taking my comment to someone elses post as a personal attack on your self :conf: That's my opinion.

Sobig accused me of racism...and you agreed to his comment, indirectly then you are calling me a racist....
If thats how you feel fine, I don't accept it but fine.

[Ammi]

..I don't think age has anything to do with this..and I do believe you can 'write someone off' from one comment..because he wrote himself off with that..it doesn't matter what he said before or after..he made a racist remark..'you will always be black..don't hide behind the colour of your skin' ..the colour of his skin is irrelevant..by the definition of racism..that one race thinks they are superior to another..that remark was blatant racism..and whatever else he said..is irrelevant..as you can see..it was for the guy he arrested
..People wouldn't defend or excuse racists, bigotry, bullies etc..in everyday life (as with the woman on the tube)..but in a position of power and trust like the police force..I think that's a dangerous thing to have

[Kizzy]

Thanks ammi, I heard what was said ..And if thats how you feel thats great.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think Kizzy is racist either,I do think she's being a bit naive though.

[Kizzy]

I don't think Kizzy is racist either,I do think she's being a bit naive though.

I would be less offended if you had called me racist....I have looked at all sides and decided I can't with that clip make a decision on this officer.
If you think thats naive ok...

[Mystic Mock]

I would be less offended if you had called me racist....I have looked at all sides and decided I can't with that clip make a decision on this officer.
If you think thats naive ok...

I think being naive is better than being a racist but each to there own.

The fact that makes me think your naive is,is that you don't seem to think calling him a ****** and don't hide behind the colour of your skin is not a racist and that it was just him being stressed out because of The Riots,but I know if I was in his shoes that I wouldn't have said half the stuff to him that his reported to have said,they are probably covering up some of the other stuff his said aswell.

[thesheriff443]

a white man called a black man a ******,
thats racist!,

[Mrluvaluva]

And with regards to the three men involved:

"A policeman has been captured on tape allegedly assaulting a young black teenager just hours after a colleague of his was recorded abusing another man with a serious racial slur.

PC Joe Harrington has been placed on restricted duties after he was allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old to the ground and kneeing him, in the custody area of an east London police station. Part of the incident was recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the 15-year-old concluded last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, was submitted to the Metropolitan police on Monday. The force will now consider what if any action to take against Harrington.

Hours earlier, Harrington was present when another officer, PC Alex MacFarlane, was recorded on a mobile phone telling Mauro Demetrio, 21, a black man from Beckton in east London, that "the problem with you is you will always be a ******". Growing controversy over the two incidents, which occurred shortly after the riots last summer, have triggered urgent reviews by the Crown Prosecution Service into initial legal advice that neither officer should be charged."


full story (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/02/police-race-row-assault-claim)


Claims have also emerged last night that police raided Demetrio's home 24 hours after he complained in an attempt to intimidate him.

Officers investigating the London riots seized a widescreen TV and accused him of being a looter, but were forced to hand it back after he found the receipt. A family friend said he suspected the raid was an attempt to ‘hush him up’.


Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123819/Police-racism-row-Black-suspect-taped-PC-abused-him.html)

[Kizzy]

It is on the same night, if he had asked the duty officer to look at his phone would they have heard the incident and gave him the phone back to him when he was released?.....And they call me naive.

Why do we need the daily mails angle?...The full story is on page 1...

[Mrluvaluva]

Sorry? Not sure I get what you mean?

[thesheriff443]

It is on the same night, if he had asked the duty officer to look at his phone would they have heard the incident and gave him the phone back to him when he was released?.....And they call me naive.

when he went into custidy,he told the custody sargent what happened,
the phone was evidence,of what happened it would have been logged in as evidence and treated as a crime even tho it involved police officers!

[Mrluvaluva]

Why do we need the daily mails angle?...The full story is on page 1...


Mm. No it's not. Unless you didn't read my post?

[Kizzy]

Mm. No it's not. Unless you didn't read my post?

There is a link to a Daily Mail article on the subject in your post...

[thesheriff443]

wpc kizzy,lol

[Brother Leon]

Wouldn't say Kizzy is racist.


You are narrow minded though if you genuinely feel this is not racist.

[Mrluvaluva]

There is a link to a Daily Mail article on the subject in your post...

Which is a link to the source of the part I posted which quotes:

"Claims have also emerged last night that police raided Demetrio's home 24 hours after he complained in an attempt to intimidate him.

Officers investigating the London riots seized a widescreen TV and accused him of being a looter, but were forced to hand it back after he found the receipt. A family friend said he suspected the raid was an attempt to ‘hush him up’."

This is something that was not in the original article as it "emerged last night".

Your point is?

[Kizzy]

Wouldn't say Kizzy is racist.


You are narrow minded though if you genuinely feel this is not racist.

Well thanks for that anton :), Im not narrow minded though...have seen riots and the aftermath from every angle, everything is multifaceted.
The police are never going to be blameless, they are a representation of society much as we want them to be perfect it is never going to happen....
Minorities will always be blamed by other sectors and youths are a soft target by governments to sway popular opinion...
I try so hard NOT to be influenced by the media and popular opinion and form my own view, its upsetting when you are labelled for questioning .....
Wouldn't it be easier to just take what is being fed to you as gospel?...Without question.
If I find later im wrong fair play, but i won't be railroaded into a mindset...believe me.

[Ammi]

A policeman has been filmed on CCTV allegedly assaulting a teenage boy just hours after his colleague was recorded apparently racially abusing a man, it was reported.

Both incidents happened on August 11 last year as police officers in London dealt with the fallout of the riots sweeping the capital.
Last week sources confirmed Pc Alex MacFarlane of the Metropolitan Police had been suspended after a recording was made of a suspect being called a "n.....".

The arrested man, named as Mauro Demetrio, 21, from Beckton, east London, was arrested on suspicion of drug driving but no action was later taken.

He recorded the abuse on his mobile phone.

The Guardian has reported that another officer, who it said was with Pc MacFarlane when Mr Demetrio was abused, was placed on restricted duties after later being allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old black boy to the ground and kneeing him.

The incident was said to have happened in the custody area of an east London police station with part of the incident recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the teenager ended last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, has been submitted to the Metropolitan police, the Guardian reported.

A Metropolitan Police Spokesman said: "This matter was referred to the IPCC and the officer placed on restricted duties pending the outcome of their independent investigation.

"We have now received their findings and recommendations which we will consider and respond to.

"The decision about who is investigated as a result of a complaint and who is treated as a witness is a decision for the investigators, in this case the IPCC.

"The status of an officer who is under investigation is carefully considered by the MPS on a case by case basis taking account of the circumstances and in line with national police regulations.

"The decision is reviewed on a 28 day basis in consultation with the IPCC when they are investigating the matter.

"When an investigation has concluded, and if an officer is found to have failed in the high standards expected of them, then we will instigate misconduct proceedings."

Referring to both incidents, Commander Peter Spindler of the Directorate of Professional Standards said: "We are taking these allegations extremely seriously.

"Any use of racist language or excessive use of force is totally unacceptable; at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings we will instigate the appropriate internal action."

[Livia]

I think the overwhelming opinion of this forum is that it is unacceptable for a police officer to use racist language - ever. There are no mitigating circumstances and there are no excuses. So I can't see how this story has had this much mileage. It seems the police officer has only one supporter. If that one supporter refuses to believe there is any kind of crack in her argument, then this is going to rumble on for another five pages without getting anywhere.

[Kizzy]

I think the overwhelming opinion of this forum is that it is unacceptable for a police officer to use racist language - ever. There are no mitigating circumstances and there are no excuses. So I can't see how this story has had this much mileage. It seems the police officer has only one supporter. If that one supporter refuses to believe there is any kind of crack in her argument, then this is going to rumble on for another five pages without getting anywhere.

Livia, why are you being so rude? I am entitled to my opinion on this news item, I don't care how many other forum members do or don't share my view...
And I will continue to debate it for as long as there are people open minded enough to discuss it.
Yes it is a contentious issue,if you don't want to be a part of the discussion fine, dont post...simple as.

[Kizzy]

A policeman has been filmed on CCTV allegedly assaulting a teenage boy just hours after his colleague was recorded apparently racially abusing a man, it was reported.

Both incidents happened on August 11 last year as police officers in London dealt with the fallout of the riots sweeping the capital.
Last week sources confirmed Pc Alex MacFarlane of the Metropolitan Police had been suspended after a recording was made of a suspect being called a "n.....".

The arrested man, named as Mauro Demetrio, 21, from Beckton, east London, was arrested on suspicion of drug driving but no action was later taken.

He recorded the abuse on his mobile phone.

The Guardian has reported that another officer, who it said was with Pc MacFarlane when Mr Demetrio was abused, was placed on restricted duties after later being allegedly seen kicking the 15-year-old black boy to the ground and kneeing him.

The incident was said to have happened in the custody area of an east London police station with part of the incident recorded on CCTV.

An independent investigation into the alleged assault on the teenager ended last week and a report, understood to recommend disciplinary action, has been submitted to the Metropolitan police, the Guardian reported.

A Metropolitan Police Spokesman said: "This matter was referred to the IPCC and the officer placed on restricted duties pending the outcome of their independent investigation.

"We have now received their findings and recommendations which we will consider and respond to.

"The decision about who is investigated as a result of a complaint and who is treated as a witness is a decision for the investigators, in this case the IPCC.

"The status of an officer who is under investigation is carefully considered by the MPS on a case by case basis taking account of the circumstances and in line with national police regulations.

"The decision is reviewed on a 28 day basis in consultation with the IPCC when they are investigating the matter.

"When an investigation has concluded, and if an officer is found to have failed in the high standards expected of them, then we will instigate misconduct proceedings."

Referring to both incidents, Commander Peter Spindler of the Directorate of Professional Standards said: "We are taking these allegations extremely seriously.

"Any use of racist language or excessive use of force is totally unacceptable; at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings we will instigate the appropriate internal action."

Not sure why you chose to post this as someone else already posted the link ammi.
Key word in this article is allegedly

[Kizzy]

Latest article from the guardian...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/03/met-police-commissioner-report-racist-behaviour

[Livia]

Livia, why are you being so rude? I am entitled to my opinion on this news item, I don't care how many other forum members do or don't share my view...
And I will continue to debate it for as long as there are people open minded enough to discuss it.
Yes it is a contentious issue,if you don't want to be a part of the discussion fine, dont post...simple as.

I'm not being rude I'm just stating the obvious. You've made your point over and over again and so has everyone else. I have been a part of this discussion and, like you, I can post in any thread I choose. But I don't see that there's any more to say than has already been said. All the posts in the world won't convince me that the officer was right. The issue is only contentious because you're making it contentious. The majority feel that the officer was wrong. I'm with the majority. If you feel you want to continue to excuse the inexcusable, that's your call.

[Kizzy]

I'm not being rude I'm just stating the obvious. You've made your point over and over again and so has everyone else. I have been a part of this discussion and, like you, I can post in any thread I choose. But I don't see that there's any more to say than has already been said. All the posts in the world won't convince me that the officer was right. The issue is only contentious because you're making it contentious. The majority feel that the officer was wrong. I'm with the majority. If you feel you want to continue to excuse the inexcusable, that's your call.

The officer like everyone is entitled to a fair trial, I thought you of all people would appreciate that livia.
If you wish to post stick to the subject in discussion and not your opinion on me or my view...Im not on trial here either.

[Mrluvaluva]

This thread lost the whole point to the original story several pages ago.

[Livia]

The officer like everyone is entitled to a fair trial, I thought you of all people would appreciate that livia.
If you wish to post stick to the subject in discussion and not your opinion on me or my view...Im not on trial here either.

I have not once said anything about you personally. I have given my opinion on your view. I don't see what's wrong with that. No one's suggested you're on trial. What I said was "that's your call". When you say provocative things, people react.

Yes, I - of all people - think he should get a fair trial. But in the face of the evidence, I wouldn't want to be defending him.

I've said all I have to say on this topic. I won't be bumping this thread again.

[fruit_cake]

I have not once said anything about you personally. I have given my opinion on your view. I don't see what's wrong with that. No one's suggested you're on trial. What I said was "that's your call". When you say provocative things, people react.

Yes, I - of all people - think he should get a fair trial. But in the face of the evidence, I wouldn't want to be defending him.

I've said all I have to say on this topic. I won't be bumping this thread again.

you clearly attacked Kizzy now your pretending you didn't. Pretty poor bully like behaviour really Livia.

[King Gizzard]

If Livia's a bully then I'm Noel Edmunds

[Brother Leon]

In direct Racism is rife in the Police force. With this it is shown that clear and obvious racism is a problem aswell.

[Kizzy]

This thread lost the whole point to the original story several pages ago.

How? I don't think it has...

[Kizzy]

In direct Racism is rife in the Police force. With this it is shown that clear and obvious racism is a problem aswell.

You said yesterday you did not consider me to be racist KA ....why the change of heart?

[Kizzy]

I have not once said anything about you personally. I have given my opinion on your view. I don't see what's wrong with that. No one's suggested you're on trial. What I said was "that's your call". When you say provocative things, people react.

Yes, I - of all people - think he should get a fair trial. But in the face of the evidence, I wouldn't want to be defending him.

I've said all I have to say on this topic. I won't be bumping this thread again.

Giving your opinion on my view is directing your post at me personally livia.....Please don't, I don't care what you think of my opinion to be fair.
You have your opinion and I respect it, all I ask is you respect mine.

[Brother Leon]

You said yesterday you did not consider me to be racist KA ....why the change of heart?

I don't think you are racist...

There is no denying what the person said is racist though. You think different, then that is due to whatever reason. Highly doubt it is due to you being racist yourself.

Would like to think so anyway.

[Kizzy]

:) Lets see what the result of the trial is KA, all the evidence available will be submitted so these officers wiil have to defend their comments and actions. I will be very interesting.....
One soloution might be audio and CCTV in all police vans?....My daughter suggested that, clever lass haha

[Brother Leon]

I know what the result will be.

He will get away with it :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

this thread now needs to close!
agree to disagree!

[InOne]

you clearly attacked Kizzy now your pretending you didn't. Pretty poor bully like behaviour really Livia.

Ah come on, it wasn't attacking. If people air their views on a public forum people will question them.

[fruit_cake]

If Livia's a bully then I'm Noel Edmunds

Ah come on, it wasn't attacking. If people air their views on a public forum people will question them.

Well, we'll agree to disagree. It's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last on this forum.

[InOne]

kizzy getting bullied? Give me a break :rolleyes:

[Ammi]

..there are as many bullies in this thread as there are racists...none
..those words should not be used lightly..as they don't apply to any member in here

[fruit_cake]

..there are as many bullies in this thread as there are racists...none
..those words should not be used lightly..as they don't apply to any member in here

that's not for you to decide. I don't agree with you.

[Josy]

There is no bullying going on in here IMO and I really wish people would stop throwing that word around so easily.

Thread Closed.