Pasty Tax, And Snack Tax, Sparks Class Warefare In Britain

[letmein]

A Tax on Snacks Aggravates Austerity Tensions in Britain

LONDON — George Osborne, the posh chancellor of the Exchequer, confesses he cannot recall the last time he partook of a pasty, the calorie-busting savory pastry, served hot, that is beloved by millions of average Britons.

That may well explain why Mr. Osborne’s recent decision to impose a sales tax of 20 percent on pasties and other takeout snacks — while cutting the top income tax rate on financiers and other highly paid Britons — has created such a furor here.

The tax controversy, which the British press has called, inevitably, “Pasty-gate,” has come to symbolize the increasingly vitriolic debate in Britain over who should shoulder the burden of the government’s drive to cut debt and spending.

The tax has ignited a political firestorm, prompting even generally pro-government tabloid newspapers to attack it and leading the equally posh British prime minister, David Cameron, to claim — not all that convincingly — that he, truly, is an aficionado of the pasty (which rhymes with nasty).

The issue has also revived memories of the poll tax and other unpopular measures imposed by previous Conservative Party-led governments that left many Britons feeling that their leaders were out of touch.

The new tax, announced last week as part of the government’s austerity budget, was aimed at closing a loophole that exempted hot, freshly baked takeout foods, like pasties, pies, toasted sandwiches and rotisserie chickens, from the point-of-sale tax known in Britain as the value-added tax. Under the new budget, which effectively becomes law immediately, the price of such items will henceforth include a value-added tax of 20 percent.

Until now, the coalition government led by Mr. Cameron’s Conservative Party has made a strong case that, in light of a budget deficit of more than 10 percent of gross domestic product, Britain has no choice but to embark on one of the most severe austerity regimes in Europe.

Leading the charge has been Mr. Osborne, Mr. Cameron’s close friend and top political adviser, whose social pedigree in class-obsessed Britain is among the more refined in Parliament. An Oxford graduate, like Mr. Cameron, Mr. Osborne stands to inherit the title of baronet from his father.

As the economy continues to sag, Mr. Osborne’s clarion call that “we are all in this together” is beginning to ring hollow for a British public battered by high gasoline prices, a dormant job market and, now, more expensive pasties.

On Thursday, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development predicted that the British economy would experience its second consecutive quarter of contraction this spring, putting the economy back in a recession.

According to a YouGov poll that was released Thursday, Mr. Cameron’s government would get only 33 percent of the popular vote if an election were held now, compared with 43 percent for the opposition Labour Party. Mr. Cameron’s party won 36 percent of the vote in 2010. The next election must be held before May 7, 2015.

It has long been expected that the party in power would suffer political consequences as the public feels austerity’s bite. But Mr. Osborne has been betting that the prospect of economic recovery would be enough to convince voters that the current Conservative-led coalition government was better positioned than Labour to improve Britain’s parlous finances and make the economy more competitive on world markets.

That, in fact, was the stated impetus behind Mr. Osborne’s central budget measure: cutting the top tax rate to 45 percent from 50 percent. Many economists have supported such a rate cut as essential to attracting more investment and bolstering London’s claim to be world’s leading financial hub.

Mr. Osborne proposed to pay for the cut in part by increasing the fees that the wealthy pay when they buy and sell expensive properties in London.

Other revenue-raising measures, however, affected the middle class, including the scrapping of tax allowances for retirees — a change that was quickly labeled the granny tax — and the snack-food levy, perhaps forevermore known as the pasty tax.

Inflaming the debate is not only that the chancellor announced the tax, but how he has defended it.

At a parliamentary hearing Wednesday, Mr. Osborne was asked when he had last sampled a pasty at Greggs, a nationwide bakery chain that specializes in the delicacy.

The chancellor, who in public settings can come across as haughty in comparison with the more glib Mr. Cameron, scrambled for an appropriate response before acknowledging what, by then, had become obvious to all: he does not frequent the chain.

The British press, which delights in poking fun at the upper-class foibles of Mr. Osborne and Mr. Cameron, pounced. The Sun called on the government to reverse the pasty tax, and The Times published a list of Greggs outlets that it asserted would be most convenient for the busy chancellor to patronize.

At lunchtime Thursday at the closest shop on the Times list — less than a mile from Mr. Osborne’s residence in the Westminster area of central London — a line of civil servants, construction workers and others waited to pay 90 pence, or $1.43, for a sausage roll or £1.42 for a heartier steak bake.

Mike Henderson, a network engineer who calls himself a frequent Greggs customer, said he was not surprised that the chancellor was taking aim at low-budget snacks to raise money.

“This government does what it wants to do, and we have to follow,” he said. He added, “Don’t forget, these are the Tories. It’s history repeating itself.”

The dispute threatens to set back Mr. Cameron’s signature accomplishment as prime minister — detoxifying a political brand that in the post-Thatcher years had become closely linked with policies that favored the better-off.

Even if the bitterness over the pasty tax dissipates, the aftertaste of an out-of-touch government that looks out for its own could linger.

“We cannot all afford to pay £3 a day for a sandwich lunch,” Mr. Henderson said. “Here you can come in and get a cheese roll for 90 pence.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/business/global/a-tax-on-snacks-aggravates-austerity-tensions-in-britain.html

[MTVN]

I think this is all being blown out of proportion tbh, I do love pasties but I don't really see why they should be the only hot food to be exempt from having VAT

And it's quite pathetic to see Cameron/Osborne and Miliband/Balls both competing to try and show that they love pasties the most, look at the idiots

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/31/article-0-125ED62D000005DC-96_468x286.jpg

[arista]

I think this is all being blown out of proportion tbh, I do love pasties but I don't really see why they should be the only hot food to be exempt from having VAT

And it's quite pathetic to see Cameron/Osborne and Miliband/Balls both competing to try and show that they love pasties the most, look at the idiots

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/31/article-0-125ED62D000005DC-96_468x286.jpg


Very True
and on the TV News that Pathetic Toffee Nosed Labour Leader
pounced on a old lady.
With a False Smile.


In any case Greggs can take the Tax as their own Hit
if it comes in.
They can still be cheaper than any other bakery/hot food type.

[joeysteele]

I think there shoudn't be this tax on the like of pasties, sausage rolls etc, I can see a difference to buying a takeaway meal to eat at home as opposed to a quick pasty at lunchtime.
Having said that, a tray or bag of chips will have VAT on them so maybe it doesn't matter in the long run.

For,when you consider cold caviar has no VAT on it but a hot pasty will, then there is in my opinion anyway an insensitive imbalance in such a policy at least.

As arista pointed out though, Greggs for instance should be able to take this hit, I saw in their window that they were selling sausage rolls hot at 2 for £1, they are normally 65p I think each, so clearly he is spot on in saying that, for if they can do that price now they can do it the future,which would only make their sausage rolls for instance 2 for £1.20 with VAT on.
That's under the price they even used to charge for them.

[Scarlett.]

Seriously?

[Vicky.]

I think people are getting so pissed off by it because it *seems* a bit like all these extra taxes working-middle class people are getting hit with appear to be subsidising the tax cuts for the top earners.

Its just convienient to trivialise it to people moaning about the price of pasties, which does sound silly.

[arista]

I think people are getting so pissed off by it because it *seems* a bit like all these extra taxes working-middle class people are getting hit with appear to be subsidising the tax cuts for the top earners.

Its just convienient to trivialise it to people moaning about the price of pasties, which does sound silly.


Also we need to see How Much Greggs will
increase a warm sausage roll
at the minute its 85pence
so its well under priced.

[InOne]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.

[MTVN]

The Chancellor was in a difficult position though, the European court were putting the pressure on to either have VAT on all hot food or on none of it, no surprise which one he chose

[arista]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.


Sure
but a Hot Soup when its Cold is OK.


Or good
with a Free Voucher
from a Cheap Newspaper

[Vicky.]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.

:laugh:

Greggs is awful usually. Peters is worse, I got food poisoning from there :bored:

I'm more concerned about the cooked chicken I buy from morrisons being £6 instead of £5 :hmph:

[MTVN]

Greggs is amazing :nono:

[arista]

:laugh:

Greggs is awful usually. Peters is worse, I got food poisoning from there :bored:

I'm more concerned about the cooked chicken I buy from morrisons being £6 instead of £5 :hmph:

Morrisons can also keep Prices below.
Thats their style.

They are as good as AsdaWalmart
on that.

[fruit_cake]

I'm not really into that kind of food, I much prefer a box of grapes or a nice apple

[Omah]

I think people are getting so pissed off by it because it *seems* a bit like all these extra taxes working-middle class people are getting hit with appear to be subsidising the tax cuts for the top earners.

Not "seems", but "is" - we still have the 3.02p per litre hike in fuel duty from August - this will not bother Cameron's Cronies, but, by then, petrol will probably be £1.50 a litre/£7.50 a gallon !

[arista]

I'm not really into that kind of food, I much prefer a box of grapes or a nice apple


Morrisons
or
AsdaWalmart for you.

[Niamh.]

I had a bad experience with a pasty once.

[Kizzy]

Do you know what I hate?...snobs
Not born wealthy people from good schools, the ones from working class backgrounds who look down on others like this joker...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2123331/LIZ-JONES-Hurray-pasty-tax--lets-ban-ready-grated-cheese.html

Im confused about the hot and cold issue... And I actually feel pasties, maccy d's, KFC and such should be taxed.
If you don't want to pay it bring a sarnie from home, you pay 20% on non essential food items in a supermarket whats the difference?

[Marc]

Greeggggggsss!!! :sad:

[Ninastar]

I don't see the big deal, I think it's fair enough

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2123331/LIZ-JONES-Hurray-pasty-tax--lets-ban-ready-grated-cheese.html


What a twat that woman is :laugh:

[Shaun]

I'd correct this to warfare but there hasn't been any. Pasties are gross anyway.

[Kizzy]

What a twat that woman is :laugh:

She sure is vicks lol!

[fruit_cake]

aww Liz just likes to stirr things up she's all not bad imo

[Me. I Am Salman]

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[joeysteele]

I'd correct this to warfare but there hasn't been any. Pasties are gross anyway.

I rarely if ever eat a bought one, only the ones my Mum makes.

[Kizzy]

Aw thats lovely, my mums are way nicer too :)

[joeysteele]

Aw thats lovely, my mums are way nicer too :)

They'll be a million times better than bought ones I dare bet.

[Kizzy]

If more people made food there would be less to pay in tax, makes sense I think :)

[letmein]

One issue people are taking with this, is that they just gave massive tax breaks to the wealthiest, and then did this.

[Jords]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.

wtf

Our Greggs is amazing.

[Kizzy]

Its just a pasty...chav food.... :rolleyes:
What about great british fish n chips....are they chav food?
people on low incomes eat them outside ...they are cheap and greasy...

[InOne]

Greggs is awful, their speciality is something known as the cat-**** pasty. The rest of it is burnt dry and tasteless

[Livia]

Greggs has a peculiar smell when you walk past... well, my local one does. It's not a smell that would make me want to buy anything in there.

[MTVN]

Their corned beef pasties :love:

[CharlieO]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.

:worship:

[Scarlett.]

Stick with Oddies or Hampsons

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/10/13/101301_8aae3d55.jpg
http://statics.192.com/estreet/original/large/1065/10657141.jpg

[Livia]

Percy Ingle's Bakeries are a little bit marvellous. I think they're just in London though, and that's a long walk for me now just for a loaf and a sticky bun.

[InOne]

I like the quaint little places where some old granny serves you

[Scarlett.]

There used to be a Bakery in my town, Pickles Bakery, was fantastic, also my dad was the baker there :D

[Kizzy]

It is a shame all the little independant everything have been forced out of business ...As arista would say sign of the times...
Feel the tory force...

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18244640

The government is to reverse its plans to impose VAT on Cornish pasties, the BBC has learned.

The U-turn from Chancellor George Osborne's Budget follows protests by bakers and caravanning enthusiasts.

The government has altered the definition of what is a "hot" pasty to allow the reversal of its plans. Labour said ministers were "incompetent".

After the amendment, food such as sausage rolls or pasties sold on shelves - that is, cooling down, rather than being kept hot in a special cabinet - will not be liable for VAT.

During a parliamentary debate last week, MPs from all three main parties criticised Mr Osborne's proposals, arguing they were unenforceable and would have an adverse impact on jobs and businesses.

Currently, VAT is not charged on most food and drink, or hot baked goods, but is payable on takeaway food sold to be eaten hot.

However, hot savouries including pasties and pies are exempt. The U-turn would effectively maintain this situation where they are left to return to "ambient temperatures" on shelves in bakeries and supermarkets.

Another conservative cock-up ..... :rolleyes:

If they happen to have just come out of the oven and are hot when sold, they will still be treated for tax purposes like cold takeaway food - that is, they will be zero-rated. Simple really”

Nick Robinson

Political editor

:joker:

[Kizzy]

What a feck up! seriously.... What i cannot understand is when you do your weekly food shop all 'luxury' items are subject to tax confectionary and such, non essentials...
Why then is that not applied to food bought from 'fast food' outlets?.....

[Pyramid*]

Greggs is chav food anyway, never bother with it.

As much a chav food as cheap pizzas and suchlike:laugh2:

If people wish to choose fast food that has to be prepared/ cooked / heated - they should be a taxable uplift on it.

If they want to be lazy and have someone else prepare their food / and or cook it - they should have to pay extra for it as it is a non-essential - it is a luxury.

If people want to seriously complain about it: go out, buy all the ingredients, make it all from scratch, cook it, watch over it whilst it cooks, clean up the mess afterwards: then you'll see what a bargain hot food is.

The stance being taken about foods being allowed to cool down: now - that opens up all sorts then: ie; cooked chickens that sold in supermarkets, etc - but allowed to cool before being sold etc - are they cheaper that the ones that come straight from the roasting spit? I don't think they are?

[MTVN]

I don't get why people always criticise governments for doing u-turns, it's a lot better that they listen to people, recognise they made a mistake and change their minds then to just stick to the guns and force through a policy just for the sake of their pride

[Pyramid*]

I don't get why people always criticise governments for doing u-turns, it's a lot better that they listen to people, recognise they made a mistake and change their minds then to just stick to the guns and force through a policy just for the sake of their pride


Yes, absolutely fair point, but some people just moan about every single thing as far as government is concerned - and give them no credit for when they DO listen to the people: and when such u-turns are made: suddenly the Government haven't a clue. Can't do right for wrong and all that.

I had no issue with this added tax but if the voice of the people has made them change their stance: then isn't that a good thing. From small acorns and all taht.

[Kizzy]

I don't get why people always criticise governments for doing u-turns, it's a lot better that they listen to people, recognise they made a mistake and change their minds then to just stick to the guns and force through a policy just for the sake of their pride

Because they have teams of economists working getting paid a high salary to devise budgets to regulate the economy.
It is disgusting that they tried to rush this in.... it smacks of a cover story to me, just a bit of spin to bury other dodgy goings on like the Beecroft report.....

Either that or Mr Greggs and other 'interested' pasties..er I mean parties donated a substantial sum to the conservative party to get it stopped....Wouldn't surprise me.

[Omah]

I don't get why people always criticise governments for doing u-turns, it's a lot better that they listen to people, recognise they made a mistake and change their minds then to just stick to the guns and force through a policy just for the sake of their pride

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/07/david-cameron-big-society-cuts-distrust?intcmp=239

David Cameron's flagship "big society" project is at risk of being derailed by savage cuts to grassroots voluntary groups and a collapse in trust among the very people the government expected to deliver its vision, according to an independent audit of the first two years of the initiative.

The report concludes that the big society lacks a clear vision and strategy and is in danger of becoming "an initiative for the leafy suburbs", despite the prime minister's championing of a policy he described at its Downing street launch in 2010 as something he hoped would be "one of the great legacies" of his government.

It says grassroots community groups expected to deliver the big society have been dealt a "body blow" by the first tranche of expected £3.3bn cuts in government funding to the voluntary sector over the next three years, while a support programme, introduced by ministers for charities at risk of going bust, was "too little, too late".

As a result of the cuts and the government's failure to communicate or deliver its big society aspirations, much of the goodwill civil society groups initially felt towards the project has now evaporated, says the report, published by the thinktank Civil Exchange.

The report's author, Caroline Slocock, said "There are real question marks over the vision and delivery of big society."

The report draws on more than 40 data sources to test progress on the government's "three pillars" of the big society: enabling people to shape their local area, opening up public services provision to charities, and levels of "social action" such as volunteering. It finds:

• There is a widening "big society gap" in which volunteering and other forms of social capital are strongest in wealthy areas. Cuts have hit charities based in deprived areas the hardest, creating the danger that the project becomes "an initiative for the leafy suburbs".

• Despite ministerial promises, charities and social enterprises have been sidelined in the market for government contracts, such as the Work Programme, which the report says has "an implicit bias towards large, private sector businesses".

• The government lacks a common vision and strategy for the big society, while smaller voluntary groups vital to delivering the project have found it hard to make their voices heard in Whitehall. It cites figures showing 70% of charity leaders believed the government did not value or respect the voluntary sector as a partner.

The sense that big society policy is foundering is underlined by a separate Guardian survey of the 16 specially invited guests present at the big society launch meeting held in Downing Street in May 2010, hosted by Cameron and the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg.

Most of those invited were the kind of grassroots community activists and social entrepreneurs identified by the government as central to its project.

The survey reveals that while most of the participants still subscribe to big society aims in principle, many key supporters have become disheartened by the scale of cuts to charities and the failure of the government to put its weight behind the policy, which sought to give local people and charities a bigger say in running their communities and services.

It's not just about u-turns on an unpopular tax, it's about not having a clue about running a country - the current Tory government is always ready to "talk the talk", but finds itself singularly unable to "walk the walk", unless, of course, it benefits party patrons and supporters. The government should never have found itself involved in a "pasty tax furore" in the first place, but, of course, this is the government that gives tax-breaks to millionaires while robbing pensioners millions of pounds of benefits ..... :idc:

[Kizzy]

Not to nention allowing those who invest over half a million to structure reports suggesting dickensian employment reforms......

[MTVN]

Eh don't turn my comment into some kind of pro-Tory post, I was talking about u-turns in general, it doesn't matter if it's Labour or the Tories, they're always mocked and criticised for doing it but they're also criticised if they stick with a policy

[Kizzy]

Eh don't turn my comment into some kind of pro-Tory post, I was talking about u-turns in general, it doesn't matter if it's Labour or the Tories, they're always mocked and criticised for doing it but they're also criticised if they stick with a policy

Don;t worry I won't
They should not do it then, how much faith are the public to have in a government that changes its mind at the drop of a hat?

[Pyramid*]

Eh don't turn my comment into some kind of pro-Tory post, I was talking about u-turns in general, it doesn't matter if it's Labour or the Tories, they're always mocked and criticised for doing it but they're also criticised if they stick with a policy

Absolutely fair point - regardless of which party - damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[MTVN]

Don;t worry I won't
They should not do it then, how much faith are the public to have in a government that changes its mind at the drop of a hat?

I'd rather a government that can admit they've made a mistake and change their mind than one which sticks to its guns and pursues a policy when it's the wrong thing to do and the great majority of the public are opposed to it. Give me an open minded government that isn't afraid of doing u-turns over one which refuses to and takes old Thatcher's "the lady's not for turning" view

[Omah]

Eh don't turn my comment into some kind of pro-Tory post, I was talking about u-turns in general, it doesn't matter if it's Labour or the Tories, they're always mocked and criticised for doing it but they're also criticised if they stick with a policy

AFAIK, a pasty tax was not part of the Tory election manifesto and I wouldn't have thought it was a policy or even part of one - I assumed it was simply a sticking plaster stratagem to fund holes in the government's budget by bashing the working-classes ..... the current government appears to lack either the intention or the ability to think things though ..... :idc:

(Apologies for hi-jacking your previous comment ..... :blush:)

[InOne]

As much a chav food as cheap pizzas and suchlike:laugh2:

If people wish to choose fast food that has to be prepared/ cooked / heated - they should be a taxable uplift on it.

If they want to be lazy and have someone else prepare their food / and or cook it - they should have to pay extra for it as it is a non-essential - it is a luxury.

If people want to seriously complain about it: go out, buy all the ingredients, make it all from scratch, cook it, watch over it whilst it cooks, clean up the mess afterwards: then you'll see what a bargain hot food is.

The stance being taken about foods being allowed to cool down: now - that opens up all sorts then: ie; cooked chickens that sold in supermarkets, etc - but allowed to cool before being sold etc - are they cheaper that the ones that come straight from the roasting spit? I don't think they are?

Pizza isn't chav food, and I don't buy cheap :hmph:

If you enjoy your cat**** pasties from Greggs I won't hold it against you.

[Kizzy]

I'd rather a government that can admit they've made a mistake and change their mind than one which sticks to its guns and pursues a policy when it's the wrong thing to do and the great majority of the public are opposed to it. Give me an open minded government that isn't afraid of doing u-turns over one which refuses to and takes old Thatcher's "the lady's not for turning" view

Don't kid yourself it was public pressure, it was pressure from the businesses affected.

[Pyramid*]

Pizza isn't chav food, and I don't buy cheap :hmph:

If you enjoy your cat**** pasties from Greggs I won't hold it against you.


If I wish to regard the typical standard of pizzas available in fast food joints as chav food... I shall do so. :hmph: Good to hear that you don't buy cheap, but I didn't say you did.

I don't like pasties at all. In fact, I cannot stand pasties, they are disgusting.

[InOne]

If I wish to regard the typical standard of pizzas available in fast food joints as chav food... I shall do so. :hmph: Good to hear that you don't buy cheap, but I didn't say you did.

I don't like pasties at all. In fact, I cannot stand pasties, they are disgusting.

If pizza is chav food then Greggs is Heathen food.

[Pyramid*]

Don't kid yourself it was public pressure, it was pressure from the businesses affected.


Where are you obtaining this information that you are so very certain of this, to be telling others ''Don't kid yourself''?

[Pyramid*]

If pizza is chav food then Greggs is Heathen food.

That's your perogative - not everyone likes the same food stuffs - hot or cold, Greggs, Pizza, KFC or even ''Heathen Foods'' as you state. Different folks: different strokes and all that.

[InOne]

That's your perogative - not everyone likes the same food stuffs - hot or cold, Greggs, Pizza, KFC or even ''Heathen Foods'' as you state. Different folks: different strokes and all that.

Indeed they don't, but it is what it is.

[Marsh.]

I didn't realised the word chav is now used to describe "things I don't like". Hmm...

[Kizzy]

Where are you obtaining this information that you are so very certain of this, to be telling others ''Don't kid yourself''?

It's just a yorkshire phrase pyra, stop with the inciteful attitude please. I am not rising to the bait sorry.

[InOne]

I didn't realised the word chav is now used to describe "things I don't like". Hmm...

The word has such a diluted meaning these days it can be pretty much used for anything.

[Kizzy]

If pizza is chav food then Greggs is Heathen food.

Have you had a bad experience in a greggs joe?...Did your first girlfriend dump you in one or something :)...If you ever need to talk, I'm here ....:joker:

[Marsh.]

Have you had a bad experience in a greggs joe?...Did your first girlfriend dump you in one or something :)...If you ever need to talk, I'm here ....:joker:

:laugh:

Personally, I prefer Waterfields.

[InOne]

Have you had a bad experience in a greggs joe?...Did your first girlfriend dump you in one or something :)...If you ever need to talk, I'm here ....:joker:

No it's just always dire when I go in lol

[Pyramid*]

It's just a yorkshire phrase pyra, stop with the inciteful attitude please. I am not rising to the bait sorry.

Just asked you a question Kizzy, using your very own words, no inciteful attitude, and no baiting whatsoever - I used your words - yours.

What's the source of your information that you can be so sure of what you stated earlier?

[Marsh.]

No it's just always dire when I go in lol

So, you do go in? Chav. :hmph:

[MTVN]

Greggs do good pizzas :pipe:

[Pyramid*]

So, you do go in? Chav. :hmph:


Ooopsss..... :D

[InOne]

So, you do go in? Chav. :hmph:

You're only a chav if you actually buy anything, those are the rules. Unfortunately some of my friends still enjoy their cat**** pasties

[Pyramid*]

Greggs do good pizzas :pipe:


Those little French Bagette style ones - tried them a few years ago and I have to say, they were really nice.

[Pyramid*]

You're only a chav if you actually buy anything, those are the rules. Unfortunately some of my friends still enjoy their cat**** pasties

Your call your friends Chavs. Nice.

[InOne]

Your call your friends Chavs. Nice.

Yes, and it mortally offends them.

[Marsh.]

I've got images of you entering Gregg's with rubber gloves and a scarf over your face. :laugh:

[InOne]

I've got images of you entering Gregg's with rubber gloves and a scarf over your face. :laugh:

That's how the chavs enter Greggs :nono: I just lean by the drinks bit and scowl at everyone

[Pyramid*]

Yes, and it mortally offends them.

I'm sure it does.

I'm surprised you even hang around with them. You are letting your standards go InOne. :nono:

[InOne]

I'm sure it does.

I'm surprised you even hang around with them. You are letting your standards go InOne. :nono:

I am a forgiving person so I let the Greggs thing slide.

[Pyramid*]

I am a forgiving person so I let the Greggs thing slide.


Ahhh, that's really quite touching.

[InOne]

Ahhh, that's really quite touching.

Why thank you :)

[Pyramid*]

Why thank you :)

You are most welcome.

Play your cards right, and I might buy you a Pizza from Greggs.

[InOne]

You are most welcome.

Play your cards right, and I might buy you a Pizza from Greggs.

No.

[Kizzy]

Just asked you a question Kizzy, using your very own words, no inciteful attitude, and no baiting whatsoever - I used your words - yours.

What's the source of your information that you can be so sure of what you stated earlier?

oh ok pyra.....
Im sure that this was not the only 'donation' the tories recieved this year from the businesses affected...
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Ginsters-owner-s-pound-100-000-Tories-days-pasty/story-16193328-detail/story.html