14yr old hammer murderer

[Kizzy]

What makes a child do this?...
Can anyone truly be born evil?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17540452

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

time to axe coronation street

[Jack_]

No one is 'born evil'. And programmes like Coronation Street don't influence everybody to go out and start murdering people.

Some people are easily influenced, others are not. You can't really predict things like this, and as sad as it is, it doesn't mean we should start axing programmes or suggesting that people are simply 'born evil'. It's the same as the whole debate over whether violent video games make people violent, i.e. just dumb.

[Benjamin]

Jesus, how anyone can do this to anyone, let alone your own mother is beyond me. I don't think TV or film can be blamed for this. He was clearly unstable and anything could have triggered it off, it's a shame they didn't identify his instability sooner.

[Jack_]

It's very sad though. Hope the kid gets looked at and gets some help, it's quite evident he needs it.

[Patrick]

He doesn't deserve help. He deserves to be locked up for many, many decades to come.
Sick bastard.

[Livia]

He was watching films that he was meant to be protected from. There is a film classicifaction for a reason. Only parents are responsible for what their kids watch. Having said that, I don't think watching films or playing games can make someone violent. It may desensitise them to it, but I don't think it would make them commit murder. Otherwise, surely anyone reading Edgar Allen Poe a hundred plus years ago would surely have been urged to go out and kill.

I think anyone who can kill hos mother with a hammer, then lay clues to try to deceive the police is a very sick individual who will probably never recover, and should never be returned to society.

[InOne]

People might not be born evil but they can be born without a conscience that leads to evil. Their envioment plays the part to what that evil may be. I agree with Livia, he should never be allowed back into society.

[Ammi]

..I don't believe people are born evil..I don't know why he was allowed to watch violent horror films when he was 8..but the fact that he even wanted to..should have raised some alarm bells..but I'm not judging on that..it just may have got some much needed help..I don't know how much difference that would have made..if any at all
This is a very sad story..and I feel very sad for him too..I know what he did was horrific..and for that he will pay the price...but he must have been a very unhappy boy

[Benjamin]

I watched horror films like 'Nightmare on Elm Street' when I was a kid and read adult horror books also, I was obsessed with horror, I still am, yet I never went went and murdered anyone. This kid clearly has issues in the head, ones that would have found some way to come out in a violent form eventually.

[Marc]

I read how he wrote a story about a boy who killed his mother with a hammer before all of this.

The boy is twisted.

[Ammi]

I read how he wrote a story about a boy who killed his mother with a hammer before all of this.

The boy is twisted.

..apparently it was based on a Corrie story..but he changed the names to his and his mums..it seemed to have been a planned thing..even though it started with an argument...it's very disturbing

[Marc]

:crazy: I hope this dude is never set free on society again...

[Marc]

And I also hope they don't show soaps in whatever prison/confinement they send him to.

[Scarlett.]

Its funny that papers like the Daily Mail ignore stuff like this:

However, Bartlam failed to settle at his new school and in 2010 was referred to a school counsellor following a classroom incident where he became upset and began shouting and screaming at his tie, which he called "Fred", telling fellow pupils that it was "trying to hurt him".

and go straight into blaming the media.

[Marc]

Poor woman. R.I.P

[Vanessa]

I also watched horror movies when i was a kid, but i'm no killer. I think the kid had already some kind of mental problems. :sad:

[arista]

time to axe coronation street


No


He Also watched Adult 18 rated saw Movies.


Feck All to do with that ITV1HD Soap.


That Kid was out of control
Private School is what got him into Evil.

[Ammi]

:crazy: I hope this dude is never set free on society again...

Hmmm..look at the killers of James Bulger

[Vanessa]

No


He Also watched Adult 18 rated saw Movies.


Feck All to do with that ITV1HD Soap.


That Kid was out of control
Private School is what got him into Evil.

Really? Omg! That's bad! :shocked: The horror movies i watched as a kid were heavily edited and not that bad. Like The Exorcist and The Omen. :sad:

[arista]

Hmmm..look at the killers of James Bulger


Yes
All over the World
Kids get left
to be Evil.



On this case the Mother had no Idea
her kid was going to murder her.

He tried hard to cover it all up
by burning his mother after the Evil Hammer blows.
So maybe some CSI shows in that bit.

[Ammi]

Yes
All over the World
Kids get left
to be Evil.



On this case the Mother had no Idea
her kid was going to murder her.

He tried hard to cover it all up
by burning his mother after the Evil Hammer blows.
So maybe some CSI shows in that bit.

..I guess 'bits' of a lot of things will have influenced an already troubled mind..he was obviously fascinated with violence..murder..death..it's a shame no one spotted something amiss..but I don't know what you would be looking for

[Tom4784]

It's a terrible story, I must question the logic of the experts though who said he was fine. He'd obviously have to be a bit twisted to lie about his symptoms considering what they were.

While it's all well and good saying lock him up forever it's ultimately unrealistic. I just hope he gets the help he needs so that he's not a danger when he's inevitably released.

As I've said before in countless topics, media can't force anyone to do anything against their will, if someone's going to commit murder then it's a problem that's existed within the individual long before the media in question came onto the scene. I hate people that blame films, games and such for a person's actions since it's just creating a scapegoat for the offender's actions. It's vindicating them basically.

[Jack_]

While it's all well and good saying lock him up forever it's ultimately unrealistic. I just hope he gets the help he needs so that he's not a danger when he's inevitably released.

Exactly. Much rather he gets help than none at all.

And besides, I think all mental health issues should be looked into, regardless of whatever said person has done. It can only be a good thing, really.

[Ammi]

It's a terrible story, I must question the logic of the experts though who said he was fine. He'd obviously have to be a bit twisted to lie about his symptoms considering what they were.

While it's all well and good saying lock him up forever it's ultimately unrealistic. I just hope he gets the help he needs so that he's not a danger when he's inevitably released.

As I've said before in countless topics, media can't force anyone to do anything against their will, if someone's going to commit murder then it's a problem that's existed within the individual long before the media in question came onto the scene. I hate people that blame films, games and such for a person's actions since it's just creating a scapegoat for the offender's actions. It's vindicating them basically.

I think they're only blaming them because he used ideas from them..he would have got those ideas from somewhere anyway..it could have been anything really..he was obviously a very troubled boy..and perhaps had a fixation with violence...he could find that in many sources..it's narrow minded to think these are to blame

[Kizzy]

Its funny that papers like the Daily Mail ignore stuff like this:



and go straight into blaming the media.

The artice is from the BBC not the Mail chewy :)

[Scarlett.]

The artice is from the BBC not the Mail chewy :)

I know, I'm just saying, the DM have about three seperate articles condeming the producers lol

[Doogle]

Ugh, knowing someone my age could do that, it's heartbreaking. I actually felt sort of a faint once I read this on the front page yesterday.

[Me. I Am Salman]

This is absolutely horrific
Poor woman :'(

Put the twat who done this in solitary confinement

[Benjamin]

No


He Also watched Adult 18 rated saw Movies.


Feck All to do with that ITV1HD Soap.


That Kid was out of control
Private School is what got him into Evil.

How can you say private school got him into evil? What a load of bloody nonsense.

[Mystic Mock]

He doesn't deserve help. He deserves to be locked up for many, many decades to come.
Sick bastard.

This, I like your approach Patrick.

I say axe the bastard.:hugesmile:

[King Gizzard]

....cause this ''eye for an eye'' thing really does a lot of good

Obviously something wrong with him mentally, at that age, and in most murderers tbh, so yes, he should get help

[Mystic Mock]

....cause this ''eye for an eye'' thing really does a lot of good

Obviously something wrong with him mentally, at that age, and in most murderers tbh, so yes, he should get help

But his not mentally unstable, he knew what he was doing so he should be punished accordingly, helping him is just encouraging other killers in the future to claim insanity.

[Ammi]

But his not mentally unstable, he knew what he was doing so he should be punished accordingly, helping him is just encouraging other killers in the future to claim insanity.

.No no no JF..I don't believe someone could do what he did..especially at his age..and not have serious emotional problems
..he did a dreadful thing..and it may be a long long time before he could be safe in society again...or maybe he never can..
..but he's barely more than a child..he should not be given up on..and even if it does no good at all..you can't give up on someone his age
..even if only for himself..he should be helped to try and understand what he did

[arista]

.No no no JF..I don't believe someone could do what he did..especially at his age..and not have serious emotional problems
..he did a dreadful thing..and it may be a long long time before he could be safe in society again...or maybe he never can..
..but he's barely more than a child..he should not be given up on..and even if it does no good at all..you can't give up on someone his age
..even if only for himself..he should be helped to try and understand what he did


He will get help after a year inside
but not right now,

[arista]

How can you say private school got him into evil? What a load of bloody nonsense.

In his case with his Dad gone
and a Private School
he had no warm feelings for his mother.
So its being sent there changed him
thats how I can say it.


Now others that go to a Private School
will have no problems like this.

[Novo]

you can tell he is seriously ****ed up on the youtube videos he made before the murder

[Scarlett.]

But his not mentally unstable, he knew what he was doing so he should be punished accordingly, helping him is just encouraging other killers in the future to claim insanity.

He's definately mentally unstable, that's one thing we can be sure of.

[Kazanne]

He'll probably be set free in a few years with a new identity,new home and the like,and we'll be paying for it!!yeah{tongue firmly in cheek}

[Jesus.]

Considering this board has so many young people on it, it's really disheartening to see the extreme positions taken with the way we, as a country, should treat people who commit crimes.

[Tom4784]

But his not mentally unstable, he knew what he was doing so he should be punished accordingly, helping him is just encouraging other killers in the future to claim insanity.

In order to kill someone in cold blood you have to be a bit unhinged, You don't get many sane murderers. the eye for an eye approach is just a needlessly violent method of doing things, especially since if you take America into account as it costs them more to execute someone then it does to give the offender a long term sentence.

[Kazanne]

Considering this board has so many young people on it, it's really disheartening to see the extreme positions taken with the way we, as a country, should treat people who commit crimes.

how do YOU think they should be treated?

[Niamh.]

There is obviously something mentally wrong with this kid but I don't think it's in the best interest of innocent people to ever let him back into society again, I don't think it's worth the risk.

[Mystic Mock]

.No no no JF..I don't believe someone could do what he did..especially at his age..and not have serious emotional problems
..he did a dreadful thing..and it may be a long long time before he could be safe in society again...or maybe he never can..
..but he's barely more than a child..he should not be given up on..and even if it does no good at all..you can't give up on someone his age
..even if only for himself..he should be helped to try and understand what he did

Im sorry Ammi but I completely disagree with you there, it shouldn't matter what age he is, infact I find it more disturbing coming from somebody his age and I would class him as a lost cause but there you go.

[Jesus.]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1236681958_hammer-time.gif

[Mystic Mock]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1236681958_hammer-time.gif

What is it suppose to be?:joker:

[Jesus.]

What is it suppose to be?:joker:

Nuttin'

:whistle:

[Kizzy]

I seriously cannot believe the child was signed off as requiring no further involvement following initial assessment....
His mother had no concerns?....
This case stinks bad to me, Theres something that kid knows that has not come out....It may never come out, but no sone loathes his own mother to such a degree without reason.
He can't be a psychopath as he would have left the brother...Yet he saved him.

[bananarama]

It's very sad though. Hope the kid gets looked at and gets some help, it's quite evident he needs it.


We should not wast one moment more on insane trash like that......There are worthy people that don't get help instead of worrying about a lunatic that should be hung.......

[Tom4784]

It's a shame there's not more people like you in charge, Britain was at it's peak during the dark ages.

[Mystic Mock]

It's a shame there's not more people like you in charge, Britain was at it's peak during the dark ages.

I know your being sarcastic but I wish it was the case, the country would be in a much better state now if it was the case.

[Jack_]

It's a shame there's not more people like you in charge, Britain was at it's peak during the dark ages.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

No


He Also watched Adult 18 rated saw Movies.


Feck All to do with that ITV1HD Soap.


That Kid was out of control
Private School is what got him into Evil.


I'm sorry, but PMSL that you felt the need to reiterate Coronation Street airs on ITV1 in HD in such a thread.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sorry, but PMSL that you felt the need to reiterate Coronation Street airs on ITV1 in HD in such a thread.

I was the same as you.:joker:

[Kizzy]

Ditto that....haha

[Jords]

I dont think people are born evil or not, but I think our genes may determine how easy it is for somebody to become evil.

[Kizzy]

I watched a documentary on psychopaths that analised if it was possible to predict if we are predisposed to becoming one.
It seems that via neurological images of the brains of psychopaths follow a similar pattern....This pattern was found in one of the researchers too, however it was found that to 'trip' the switch there has to have been some trigger....An event that caused a change.
To me this seems the most plausible explanation.

[Jesus.]

http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/12/stop-hammer-time.gif

[Me. I Am Salman]

That's not even funny -_-

[Pyramid*]

http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/12/stop-hammer-time.gif


Not heard that for years.

*doooo dooda doooda...* :joker:

People can be born genetically deficient in all manner of ways. any child able to do this should not be allowed back into society.

I've spent about 30 plus years watching serious Horrors, Vampire movies, sick and depraved movies of all sorts : but I somehow managed to get this far without smashing a hammer through anyone's skull.

I have thought about it thought....often. :joker:

[Kizzy]

Not heard that for years.

*doooo dooda doooda...* :joker:

People can be born genetically deficient in all manner of ways. any child able to do this should not be allowed back into society.

I've spent about 30 plus years watching serious Horrors, Vampire movies, sick and depraved movies of all sorts : but I somehow managed to get this far without smashing a hammer through anyone's skull.

I have thought about it thought....often. :joker:

No, once the change has occured it was shown to be irreversible....
so rehabilitation is impossible.
To cause the change it may take more than watching a few hollywood blockbusters (sorry:devil:)
Mental and or physical abuse over a period of time however would imo, which is what I feel happened here.

[Mystic Mock]

I've watched, played and been physically hurt in the past, when I say physically hurt I mean being bullied at school, yet I have never hurt anybody and would never want to either.

[Kizzy]

I've watched, played and been physically hurt in the past, when I say physically hurt I mean being bullied at school, yet I have never hurt anybody and would never want to either.

Im not saying playground bullying is not hurtful, but I did mean something more deep seated.

[Mystic Mock]

Im not saying playground bullying is not hurtful, but I did mean something more deep seated.

Well that's how alot of children start off as psychos, that's why I pointed it out, of course some children lash out at there parents if they are abusing them either sexually or physically.

It still doesn't make it right though, on the bully situation more than anything else.

[Marsh.]

No one's saying it's "right". Murder in all forms is wrong. But there are circumstances where you can understand certain people who commit them. Whether they suffer from a severe mental breakdown or whatever.

[Kizzy]

Thats right, I don't know if its maternal instinct or something but I cannot help but feel sorry for this child...It must take a lot of suppressed rage to manifest this way.

[Mystic Mock]

Thats right, I don't know if its maternal instinct or something but I cannot help but feel sorry for this child...It must take a lot of suppressed rage to manifest this way.

He could just be a psycho that likes gore even more than I do.:joker:

[joeysteele]

I don't normally believe that young people should be given up on, however as I read of the crimes committed on people and other smaller children by so called young people who may or may not have something wrong mentally with them to do such crimes,I think my patience has run out.

If he is found to have a mental problem that it is then impossible to say 100% that he would never commit such a horrific crime again then he should at the very least be kept away from society for the rest of his life.
If he is deemed not to have any mental health issues then locked away from society in prison is all that can be done with him but either way, he should not be re-introduced to society ever,in my opinion.

I am with JF and kazanne on this one,there comes a point where enough really is enough.
One thing is sure he will get to live his life somehow, albeit with heavy restrictions,that is something he has taken away and denied to someone else.
That is a fact that gets overlooked too easily nowadays,we have to take steps to stop people killing other people for little or no reason,no matter what age the murderer is.

[InOne]

I don't normally believe that young people should be given up on, however as I read of the crimes committed on people and other smaller children by so called young people who may or may not have something wrong mentally with them to do such crimes,I think my patience has run out.

If he is found to have a mental problem that it is then impossible to say 100% that he would never commit such a horrific crime again then he should at the very least be kept away from society for the rest of his life.
If he is deemed not to have any mental health issues then locked away from society in prison is all that can be done with him but either way, he should not be re-introduced to society ever,in my opinion.

I am with JF and kazanne on this one,there comes a point where enough really is enough.
One thing is sure he will get to live his life somehow, albeit with heavy restrictions,that is something he has taken away and denied to someone else.
That is a fact that gets overlooked too easily nowadays,we have to take steps to stop people killing other people for little or no reason,no matter what age the murderer is.

Pretty much impossible unless we get a Minority Report type police force. There will always be Psychopaths and dangerous individuals, and things that go on behind closed doors that nobody ever predicts or even knows about.

[joeysteele]

Pretty much impossible unless we get a Minority Report type police force. There will always be Psychopaths and dangerous individuals, and things that go on behind closed doors that nobody ever predicts or even knows about.

Sadly you are right in what you say, I agree with your statement.
It makes me all the more of the mind that in that case then punishments need to make it that such things committed by such individuals are never able to be committed again by them and the only way they really can be stopped is to get them away from the rest of society for good.

[InOne]

Sadly you are right in what you say, I agree with your statement.
It makes me all the more of the mind that in that case then punishments need to make it that such things committed by such individuals are never able to be committed again by them and the only way they really can be stopped is to get them away from the rest of society for good.

Yep, I'm sure the cost to the tax payer is worth more than costing lives. There's been a number of cases where people have either escaped or been let out of Broadmoor and killed again.

[Kizzy]

I just hope that he will have the right help and not just left to stew for 16 years . Or there will be one dangerous institutionalised middle aged man released.

[InOne]

I just hope that he will have the right help and not just left to stew for 16 years . Or there will be one dangerous institutionalised middle aged man released.

Of course he'll get help, it's not the 40's

[Kizzy]

Of course he'll get help, it's not the 40's

I didn't say it was....
I just hope they do a better job than with jamies killers.

[InOne]

I didn't say it was....
I just hope they do a better job than with jamies killers.

Well time will only tell

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't say it was....
I just hope they do a better job than with jamies killers.

Well them two deserve to die imo.