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Jack_
12-04-2012, 05:51 PM
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Core Issues Trust's planned advert states: 'Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!' mimicking the style of Stonewall's: 'Some people are gay. Get over it' advertising campaign which has run recently.

London buses have been booked to carry a Christian advertising campaign expected to start next week, which asserts the power of therapy to change the sexual orientation of gay people.

The full length advert, which will appear on five different routes in the capital, is backed by the Core Issues Trust whose leader, Mike Davies, believes "homoerotic behaviour is sinful". His charity funds "reparative therapy" for gay Christians who believe that they have homosexual feelings but want to become straight. The campaign is also backed by Anglican Mainstream, an worldwide orthodox Anglican group whose supporters have equated homosexuality with alcoholism.

The advert will say: "Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!" Post-gay and ex-gay are terms used by Christians and some psychotherapists and psychiatrists to refer to homosexual people who have undergone spiritual or pastoral therapy and, according to an Anglican Mainstream definition, have "now left a homosexual lifestyle [and experienced] an increased emotional and sexual attraction to the opposite biological gender and possibly a reduction in or loss of same-sex attraction."

The buses are due to roll out on Monday morning on some of the most popular routes. They will be seen for two weeks travelling past St Paul's Cathedral, down Oxford Street, round Trafalgar Square and through Piccadilly Circus as well as across other parts of the capital.

The campaign is an explicit attempt to hit back at gay rights group Stonewall, which ran its own bus advert saying: "Some people are gay. Get over it." The Christian groups have used the same black, red and white colour scheme as Stonewall and accuses it of promoting the "false idea that there is indisputable scientific evidence that people are born gay".

The Rev Lynda Rose, a spokesperson for the UK branch of Anglican Mainstream said because her group adheres to scripture that all fornication outside marriage is prohibited, it believes that homosexuals are "not being fully the people God intended us to be".

It has sparked an angry response from gay rights campaigners.

The former Europe minister and gay ex-vicar, Chris Bryant MP, said the advert was cruel, particularly to teenagers struggling to come to terms with their sexuality, for promoting the idea that you could become "ex-gay".

"The emotional damage that is done to the individuals who try to suppress their sexuality, the women they marry and the children they might have is immeasurable," he said. "Most sane Christians believe that homosexuality is not a lifestyle or a choice but is a fact to be discovered or not. The pretence that homosexuality is something you can be weaned off in some way is a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of creation."

Ben Summerskill, the chief executive of Stonewall, said the adverts were clearly homophobic and added: "The only reason some gay people might want to stop being gay is because of the prejudice of the people who are publishing the ad.

"The promotion of this voodoo therapy is hugely irresponsible given the damage that it appears to do to some people."

Attempts to "treat" or alter sexual orientation have been strongly condemned by leading medical organisations. The Royal College of Psychiatrists has warned that "so-called treatments of homosexuality create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination flourish" and concluded in 2010 that "there is no sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed". The British Medical Association has also attacked "conversion therapy", a related field to reparation therapy, passing a motion asserting that it is "discredited and harmful to those 'treated' ".

Rose said therapies endorsed by Anglican Mainstream and Core Issues were not coercive and stressed that they are appropriate for people who want to change their sexual attractions, for example if they are married and are worried about the impact of a gay lifestyle on their children.

"Reparative therapy works to help men, who want to change their sexual orientation, naturally dissipate their homoerotic feelings and maximise their heterosexual potential," she said.

In a statement, Anglican Mainstream and Core Issues said Stonewall's slogan is "merely another attempt to close down the critical debate about being gay, and marriage 'equality' ". They accused Stonewall of riding roughshod over individuals who chose to "move out of homosexuality".

The statement continued: "Both organisations recognise the rights of individuals to identify as gay, and to live according to their own values. But by the same token, they believe individuals – such as married men and women unhappy with their homosexuality – should be supported in developing their heterosexual potential where this is the appropriate life choice for them … Current scientific research says there is no gay gene and that sexuality is far more fluid than has hitherto been thought."

Assuming that the campaign prompts complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority it is likely to be investigated against the advertising code rules relating to harm and offence and potentially to truthfulness and substantiation.

According to the code an advertisement must not contain content that is likely to cause serious or widespread offence. However the fact that a campaign is offensive to some people does not mean it will necessarily be banned.

"Particular care must be taken to avoid causing offence on the grounds of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, disability or age," rule 4.1 of the code states. "Compliance will be judged on the context, medium, audience, product and prevailing standards"

The campaign could also prompt complaints about whether or not the statements that relate to "reparative therapy" – "post-gay, ex-gay" – can be substantiated by the Christian group.

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/christian-anti-gay-ads-buses?newsfeed=true)

I'm disgusted. These bigoted, deluded Christian groups need to **** off.

Apparently Boris Johnson has put a halt to it though (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson)

Scarlett.
12-04-2012, 05:54 PM
TFL have banned it, Boris has banned it. How the hell did it get through?

Jack_
12-04-2012, 05:56 PM
Follow up article regarding Boris Johnson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson)

Shaun
12-04-2012, 06:00 PM
Rofl. Ex-gay my arse.

Marc
12-04-2012, 06:01 PM
What the hell? Seriously?

Mystic Mock
12-04-2012, 06:03 PM
The Christian group is clearly backwards if they think stuff like this is going to be accepted lol.

Mrluvaluva
12-04-2012, 06:06 PM
I would have been astounded if the adverts were allowed to go ahead. I think it's quite offensive really.

Marc
12-04-2012, 06:06 PM
Tbh who even reads bus advertisements?

Jack_
12-04-2012, 06:07 PM
Someone made a good point on The Guardian article, in that someone can be imprisoned for making some racist, throw-away remarks on Twitter, yet large scale homophobic campaigns like this can not only get as far as this one has, but also go unpunished (I'm assuming anyway).

But my favourite comment of all:

How about: "There's no God. Get over it.'

:joker:

Marc
12-04-2012, 06:10 PM
How about: "There's no God. Get over it.'

:joker:

Amazing

Jesus.
12-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Someone made a good point on The Guardian article, in that someone can be imprisoned for making some racist, throw-away remarks on Twitter, yet large scale homophobic campaigns like this can not only get as far as this one has, but also go unpunished (I'm assuming anyway).

But my favourite comment of all:

How about: "There's no God. Get over it.'

:joker:



http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1585/Probablynogod2JPG.jpg

Scarlett.
12-04-2012, 06:14 PM
"No proof, no evidence, no god! Get over it!"

Shaun
12-04-2012, 06:16 PM
"I'm gay, get over here ;)" - ukturtle.

Jack_
12-04-2012, 06:16 PM
http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1585/Probablynogod2JPG.jpg

Please, for the love of a God that doesn't exist, tell me this is real. Please.

MTVN
12-04-2012, 06:17 PM
Yeah they had that on buses a couple of years ago

Scarlett.
12-04-2012, 06:18 PM
Please, for the love of a God that doesn't exist, tell me this is real. Please.

It's real (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7813812.stm)

Jack_
12-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Amazing :love:

It looked familiar but I wasn't sure if it was actually a real campaign or not.

joeysteele
12-04-2012, 06:25 PM
How really sad these people are, by their bigotry they never realise they are the biggest adverts and turn off against practising Christianity, who other than bigots would ever want to be any part of them.

Benjamin
12-04-2012, 06:30 PM
Those Christians are clearly twisted. When the world come to smite them, where will there God be then?

Benjamin
12-04-2012, 06:31 PM
"I'm gay, get over here ;)" - ukturtle.

:joker:

Marc
12-04-2012, 06:36 PM
Slag :joker:

Scarlett.
12-04-2012, 06:36 PM
Those Christians are clearly twisted. When the world come to smite them, where will there God be then?

Christian's dont read their own book - The bible tells them not to judge, and to love their neighbour, and they do neither.

Tom4784
12-04-2012, 06:41 PM
One of the many reasons I despise organised religion.

Black Dagger
12-04-2012, 06:47 PM
Rofl. Ex-gay my arse.

They would have wanted it at some point trololol

Vanessa
12-04-2012, 06:49 PM
"I'm gay, get over here ;)" - ukturtle.

:joker:

Roy Mars III
12-04-2012, 06:53 PM
Christian's dont read their own book - The bible tells them not to judge, and to love their neighbour, and they do neither.

It also says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished by death. The Bible, bar Jesus, isn't very welcoming of others at all.

Scarlett.
12-04-2012, 06:55 PM
It also says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished by death. The Bible, bar Jesus, isn't very welcoming of others at all.

TIL that the bible contradicts itself, a lot.

arista
12-04-2012, 06:59 PM
There is No God

Vanessa
12-04-2012, 07:04 PM
There is No God

Get over it! :joker:

Sam:)
12-04-2012, 08:05 PM
It also says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished by death. The Bible, bar Jesus, isn't very welcoming of others at all.

Mark 11:25 (NIV) "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."
As a way to test the veracity of the following points, let us consider forgiveness in the most radical sense we can. Think of something truly wicked that has been done to you or someone you love, not by accident or error but deliberately and with malice--where you have come right up against evil and the pain caused by it in your own emotions.

I think we need to remember only a small minority of Christians hold the view that gays are evil. As a straight catholic I find it sad that some people may think that every catholic has these views (TBF Im bordering atheism)
The worst part is that some gay people who may want to be straight will have false hope in this therapy.....

Shaun
12-04-2012, 08:08 PM
It's especially moronic when you consider that the majority of English christians will belong to the Church of England, something that only came about because Henry VIII fancied some different gash.

Niall
12-04-2012, 08:12 PM
It disgusts me that people still think that being gay is an illness to be cured. Surely the government can see how damaging a media campaign like this can be to (as the article says) younger people struggling to come to terms with their sexuality?

I think its time that religious organisations stop trying to suppress something thats actually quite natural. Its appalling that this campaign isn't being stopped, because it represents something so deeply prejudicial. :bored:

Kizzy
12-04-2012, 08:13 PM
It's especially moronic when you consider that the majority of English christians will belong to the Church of England, something that only came about because Henry VIII fancied some different gash.

Agreed ...Micheal gove had a load of King James bibles printed for all high schools in the UK but distribution was halted.
Brainwashing twonk!

Niall
12-04-2012, 08:14 PM
It's especially moronic when you consider that the majority of English christians will belong to the Church of England, something that only came about because Henry VIII fancied some different gash.

So true.

joeysteele
12-04-2012, 08:16 PM
I have read the four Gospels which supposedly record the ways and words of Jesus, who Christians are supposed to follow.
In not one of the Gospels is there one word or statement recorded as said by Jesus as to homosexuality.
Plenty about other things but nothing at all as to that, other things such as adultery for instance, he cast away completely,stating forgiveness for all.

How odd that we get others then who claim to be his followers who 'add' their own personal prejudices to things after that.

The Old Testament has a fair bit of condemnation as to homosexuality but the New Testament which is supposed to be about the teachings of Jesus, has nothing at all as to it in the whole of the four Gospels attributed to his words and actions.

It is really only Paul who brings back the condemnation of homosexuality and it would seem he sometimes got up in a morning in a good mood, preaching love for all then other mornings got up in a foul mood and got angry with most people.

I agree with Dezzy, organised religion,especially once it allows the embracing of prejuduces and bigotry of ordinary men/women is something to be disliked rather than respected.
It doesn't make for looking to be a very attractive thing to follow either.

bbfan1991
13-04-2012, 12:17 AM
These Christian groups are offensive!

Being gay is a choice for those who want to, like people chosing to be straight, transgender or bisexual etc and is no-one elses business but theirs and these groups must be barking if they think there is a cure for people being gay...

InOne
13-04-2012, 12:20 AM
There is a worrying amount of these American type Fundie Churches popping up in the UK. I remember there were some converts in my year, went to a chuch of my mates too, they were really nice but weird at the same time. My mate was shuffling uncomfortably when the preacher was telling us that Christians should pity non-believers

bbfan1991
13-04-2012, 12:22 AM
I caught someone I knew briefly reading up on Scientology LOOL:eek:.

MTVN
13-04-2012, 12:26 AM
These Christian groups are offensive!

Being gay is a choice for those who want to, like people chosing to be straight, transgender or bisexual etc and is no-one elses business but theirs and these groups must be barking if they think there is a cure for people being gay...

Wouldn't call it a "choice" exactly..

Scarlett.
13-04-2012, 12:26 AM
There is a worrying amount of these American type Fundie Churches popping up in the UK. I remember there were some converts in my year, went to a chuch of my mates too, they were really nice but weird at the same time. My mate was shuffling uncomfortably when the preacher was telling us that Christians should pity non-believers

I'm actually glad we're not as leniant in regards to hate speech as the US lol

Mrluvaluva
13-04-2012, 10:38 AM
Core Issues' co-director Mike Davidson criticised the decision to axe the adverts, saying: "I didn't realise censorship was in place.

"We went through the correct channels and we were encouraged by the bus company to go through their procedures. They okayed it and now it has been pulled.

"I would be interested to know on what basis they have done that."


Because it's actually offensive to some people? :shrug:

Tom4784
13-04-2012, 02:05 PM
I'd have let it go ahead, the public reaction would have caused more damage to groups like these then axing the adverts would have. By axing them you're giving them power. Let them make a show of themselves and let the public tear them down for it instead.

Mrluvaluva
13-04-2012, 02:32 PM
A Christian group is taking legal action against Mayor of London Boris Johnson after he banned bus advertisements suggesting gay people could be cured.

The posters, by the Core Issues Trust, stated: "Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!"

The adverts were backed by Anglican Mainstream, a global group that says it is committed to the traditional biblical teaching on marriage, the family and human sexuality.

It is understood that organisation has instructed solicitors after the banning of the campaign.

The poster was believed to mock pro-gay group Stonewall's adverts that said: "Some people are gay. Get over it."


more (http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16207800)


:bored:

Jack_
13-04-2012, 02:38 PM
A Christian group is taking legal action against Mayor of London Boris Johnson after he banned bus advertisements suggesting gay people could be cured.

The posters, by the Core Issues Trust, stated: "Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!"

The adverts were backed by Anglican Mainstream, a global group that says it is committed to the traditional biblical teaching on marriage, the family and human sexuality.

It is understood that organisation has instructed solicitors after the banning of the campaign.

The poster was believed to mock pro-gay group Stonewall's adverts that said: "Some people are gay. Get over it."


more (http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16207800)


:bored:

Just pathetic.

And seriously, as I said earlier in the thread, how come someone can be jailed for 50 days for making some racist remarks on Twitter, yet a large scale homophobic campaign like this is just brushed under the carpet? They are seriously pushing their luck if they think they can sue. Let's have a bit of consistency for once and imprison them for attempting to preach homophobic, bigoted beliefs.

MTVN
13-04-2012, 02:42 PM
I'd have let it go ahead, the public reaction would have caused more damage to groups like these then axing the adverts would have. By axing them you're giving them power. Let them make a show of themselves and let the public tear them down for it instead.

Yeah, give them their rope to hang themselves

Niamh.
13-04-2012, 02:53 PM
I caught someone I knew briefly reading up on Scientology LOOL:eek:.

I actually did some reading up on Scientology, just out of curiosity, what a completely bizarre religion it is. The stupidest part of it is L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who stated before he started the religion that the best way to make money was to start a religion :laugh:

arista
13-04-2012, 02:54 PM
"A Christian group is taking legal action against Mayor of London Boris Johnson "


They can Piss Off

Jords
13-04-2012, 03:24 PM
I'd have let it go ahead, the public reaction would have caused more damage to groups like these then axing the adverts would have. By axing them you're giving them power. Let them make a show of themselves and let the public tear them down for it instead.

Sounds like a good idea Dezzy.

Religion should be a personal view, not forced on people :idc: