Have you voted?

[Kizzy]

Are you voting? do you want a mayor?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/03/london-mayor-and-local-elections-2012-live-polling-day-coverage

[joeysteele]

Yes have voted, don't have a choice for Mayor anyway or to even have one where my home is but if I did I wouldn't vote for one, we need less politicians not more.

[Mystic Mock]

I can't but if I could then no I wouldn't as they're all currupt bastards that I have no time for.

[Kizzy]

Yes have voted, don't have a choice for Mayor anyway or to even have one where my home is but if I did I wouldn't vote for one, we need less politicians not more.

Well said joey! :D

[Vanessa]

I never vote anyway. Waste of time! :hmph:

[joeysteele]

I can't but if I could then no I wouldn't as they're all currupt bastards that I have no time for.

Ooh, I personally would hope when you reach voting age you will re-think as to not voting,not all politicians are a bad lot jf, many work really hard for their constituents in Parliament and even in the local authorities too.

Sadly, there are too many opportunists in politics at present and that is why I am against more tiers of politicians such as mayors and I am even against in the main wholesale reform of the House of Lords too. Another elected chamber would cost likely far more than it does now.

We are getting a reduction in MPs at the next election, 50 less, hopefully some reduction to the numbers in the House of Lords will come in the future too but my hope is that soon what we really achieve and have in politics are 'quality' MPs and Councillors etc; rather than 'quantity'.

[Mystic Mock]

Ooh, I personally would hope when you reach voting age you will re-think as to not voting,not all politicians are a bad lot jf, many work really hard for their constituents in Parliament and even in the local authorities too.

Sadly, there are too many opportunists in politics at present and that is why I am against more tiers of politicians such as mayors and I am even against in the main wholesale reform of the House of Lords too. Another elected chamber would cost likely far more than it does now.

We are getting a reduction in MPs at the next election, 50 less, hopefully some reduction to the numbers in the House of Lords will come in the future too but my hope is that soon what we really achieve and have in politics are 'quality' MPs and Councillors etc; rather than 'quantity'.

I agree with what you say Joey, but the higher ups in these Governments I hate.

I also think that the system is outdated and needs to be brought up to date somehow.

[Kizzy]

I never vote anyway. Waste of time! :hmph:

Naughty naughty vanessa...If nobody votes nothing will ever change :)

[Niall]

I can't vote till next year, but if I could have voted, I would've voted for the Greens.

[joeysteele]

I agree with what you say Joey, but the higher ups in these Governments I hate.

I also think that the system is outdated and needs to be brought up to date somehow.

Totally agree with you on those points jf.

[Brother Leon]

Yeah.

[Niall]

I agree with what you say Joey, but the higher ups in these Governments I hate.

I also think that the system is outdated and needs to be brought up to date somehow.

I agree with you. If I had my way I'd make the House of Lords a publicly elected body, and introduce proportional representation. Its ridiculous we don't have either of those things in this day and age.

[Jords]

I dont really pay much attention to it really. Most people seem to show interest during the voting period then after dont care and believe the party that got in do a **** job.

Think its a bit foolish that theres only 3 main parties also. So probably wont vote or chuck mine at the Green Party.

[MTVN]

I don't vote, and I don't get why people say if you don't then you have no right to complain. It's the other way round, like George Carlin said "if you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with"

[King Gizzard]

Mtvn [2]

[Jords]

mtvn [3]

[Shaun]

I didn't even know there was a vote today, I didn't receive anything in the mail about it :shrug:

[Brother Leon]

Voted for cheaper train fares, can't be dealing with these prices when I dont want to use my whip :idc:

[joeysteele]

I agree largely with MTVN too, in my opinion of course he has the right to complain if politicians in power fail the Nation and even affect his life too which inevitably they will.

I always use my vote, I would not though say anyone who doesn't has no right to feel annoyed at the faliures we see with Govt after Govt and also in Local Authorities.
Maybe if I decide after Uni to go into politics things will be better and it may be easier to persuade people to vote for me.

The sad thing with politicians in power most of the time is they forget why they are there and who put them there,there are a lot of words spoken in elections but this saying is very true, 'actions speak far louder than words' and after what a great many politicians say to the voters, the actions they carry out once they get a hold on power falls massively short as to all those words.

[Jack_]

No, but only because I'm not yet 18 and because I don't think there's any election taking place over where I am. Shall watch a bit of the coverage tonight though...I was quite obsessed last time around.

Still not sure who I'll vote for come 2015 though...not enough real left-wing parties in this country who represent my views, or are indeed not a wasted vote.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree largely with MTVN too, in my opinion of course he has the right to complain if politicians in power fail the Nation and even affect his life too which inevitably they will.

I always use my vote, I would not though say anyone who doesn't has no right to feel annoyed at the faliures we see with Govt after Govt and also in Local Authorities.
Maybe if I decide after Uni to go into politics things will be better and it may be easier to persuade people to vote for me.

The sad thing with politicians in power most of the time is they forget why they are there and who put them there,there are a lot of words spoken in elections but this saying is very true, 'actions speak far louder than words' and after what a great many politicians say to the voters, the actions they carry out once they get a hold on power falls massively short as to all those words.

I hope one day Joey you do run this country, afterall you can't be as bad as the last 3 we've had.

[Livia]

Ooh, I personally would hope when you reach voting age you will re-think as to not voting,not all politicians are a bad lot jf, many work really hard for their constituents in Parliament and even in the local authorities too.

Sadly, there are too many opportunists in politics at present and that is why I am against more tiers of politicians such as mayors and I am even against in the main wholesale reform of the House of Lords too. Another elected chamber would cost likely far more than it does now.

We are getting a reduction in MPs at the next election, 50 less, hopefully some reduction to the numbers in the House of Lords will come in the future too but my hope is that soon what we really achieve and have in politics are 'quality' MPs and Councillors etc; rather than 'quantity'.

As the population increases, the number of MPs representing them is decreasing. It senseless. I wish I could show you the workload of an MP's caseworker for one week, trying to sort out problems their constituents are having with all kinds of bodies and agencies - immigration, child welfare, benefits, housing, planning, a massive range of topics. The offices of all MPs across the parties are currently working at full capacity. They don't take the recess off, and most of the offices are open 51 weeks a year. Now they will have even more constituents to look after with the same number of staff. And still people think reducing the MPs will be a good thing. An MP is just a figurehead for a whole officefull of people who work for every constituent, whether they voted for that particular MP or not.

[Livia]

I didn't even know there was a vote today, I didn't receive anything in the mail about it :shrug:

All areas aren't voting today. My area isn't... thank Gawd!

[Benjamin]

I was going to say, we don't have a vote here today.

[Livia]

I don't vote, and I don't get why people say if you don't then you have no right to complain. It's the other way round, like George Carlin said "if you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with"

By abstaining you feel you can complain about the choice of others? I don't agree with that at all.

[Livia]

I was going to say, we don't have a vote here today.

We had our election this time last year (Districts), and we have another this time next year (Counties). I need at least a year to get over one and another year to steel myself.

Although the Police Commissioner elections will be taking place between now and next year... not sure exactly when.

[Vicky.]

Durham already has a mayor, so i dont think this applies to me

[Mystic Mock]

Well considering MTVN didn't vote for the Government causing the destruction then yes I think he does have a right to complain.

But tbh I think everyone has the right to complain because these Governments are fake bastards before they get elected.

And yes i've got my Patrick mode on today with the swearing.

[Livia]

Well considering MTVN didn't vote for the Government causing the destruction then yes I think he does have a right to complain.

But tbh I think everyone has the right to complain because these Governments are fake bastards before they get elected.

And yes i've got my Patrick mode on today with the swearing.

Always impressive.

[Mystic Mock]

Always impressive.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2012

[MTVN]

By abstaining you feel you can complain about the choice of others? I don't agree with that at all.

If I don't agree with any of the options or consider them viable then yes, because I didn't take any part in putting them into power

[joeysteele]

As the population increases, the number of MPs representing them is decreasing. It senseless. I wish I could show you the workload of an MP's caseworker for one week, trying to sort out problems their constituents are having with all kinds of bodies and agencies - immigration, child welfare, benefits, housing, planning, a massive range of topics. The offices of all MPs across the parties are currently working at full capacity. They don't take the recess off, and most of the offices are open 51 weeks a year. Now they will have even more constituents to look after with the same number of staff. And still people think reducing the MPs will be a good thing. An MP is just a figurehead for a whole officefull of people who work for every constituent, whether they voted for that particular MP or not.

As ever,I will take all you say on board as to that of course.I would be foolish to discount much or even anything you point out.
However,late last year I and other students had to do some research and talking to the voters, so many of whom feel massively let down.

Often more is not the better way to go, often you can and do get more for less.
I appreciate the problems of one person having to represent thousands of people as you say not just their voters either once an MP, maybe some massive re-structuring is required in addition to the reduction of MPs proposed for the next election which is a modest 50 in total.

Do we need all these extra tiers of power though, research tells me that decades ago, 'a' councillor was elected for a ward, now today we elect 4 for each ward generally,are they really all needed, do they do the job better because there are more or would fewer get the really more important things done.
Do we really now need Mayors elected for each city too, more than likely crossing swords with the elected council on issues etc, also for the life of me I cannot see the benefits of an elected 2nd chamber either as to the Lords,Nick Cleggs daft idea of an elected chamber coming halfway through a parliament,all I can see is more chaos, more confusion and even greater workloads coming from that idea.
Parliament as you say is likely a continuous hive of frantic activity,maybe re-structuring as to the workings of parliamentary procedure is what's needed to free more people up to deal with more major issues.

I am sure you could Livia,show me massive workloads,as you say an ever growing population adding to that already too bulky workload.
I have respect for the position of being an MP but I do feel many fail their voters.
I personally doubt I would ever dispute what you said as to political workload,in fact I doubt I would ever dispute anything you said as to politics and if I move into the political arena at some point in the future my attitude may change considerably as to what I see in practice rather than theory.

I still think many politicians fail to address the needs of their voters and constituents, maybe the workload as you point out gets placed on others and maybe it needs to be eventually re-structured to assist in reducing such workloads so that constituents can identify with their MPs more.
I still think much more of putting into action the words they say at elections would go a big way to restoring confidence and trust and get more people to vote in the future though.

[MTVN]

Looks like a good night for Labour

[joeysteele]

It does indeed on these early results.

[Kizzy]

Whoop! :)

[MTVN]

Should have Paxman on this BBC coverage

[Mystic Mock]

Go on Green Party.

[James]

The ballot paper I voted on had 6 names, and apparently 4 of them get elected.

Everyone's a winner (almost).

[Kizzy]

Good day for Labour in Leeds winning all but 3 (if you don't count morley) haha, and by a margin of 2000 votes in most areas!

[thesheriff443]

Good day for Labour in Leeds winning all but 3 (if you don't count morley) haha, and by a margin of 2000 votes in most areas!

your pokemon looks like its got a vag for a nose:joker:

[Kate!]

In actual fact anyone who abstains from voting in any election is tacitly saying that they agree with things as they are, don't care enough to want to change things and therefore indicating support (even apathetic support) for the party in power atm. It's a cop out to say that by not voting you are not responsible for the shambles that follows, you are because you had the opportunity to help change things.

I put my vote firmly and proudly in the Labour box.

[Livia]

In actual fact anyone who abstains from voting in any election is tacitly saying that they agree with things as they are, don't care enough to want to change things and therefore indicating support (even apathetic support) for the party in power atm. It's a cop out to say that by not voting you are not responsible for the shambles that follows, you are because you had the opportunity to help change things.

I put my vote firmly and proudly in the Labour box.

Although I don't agree with your choice of party, I agree completely with what you've said.

[Brother Leon]

Ken is better than Boris. Shame.

[Kizzy]

Well said kate, I said similar to vanessa yesterday lets hope she ran out and voted labour haha
saw this in the comments on the guardians live coverage so funny ...


Couldnt think of much to say so here is a little tribute to the Lib Dems who kindly stole my vote in 2010 and never never again.

DE CAMERON
Sexy Tory handmaidens
Shirley, Lynn and Browne
Offering up the NHS
And shining David's crown.

Sexy Tory handmaidens
Danny, Nick and Vince
Bowing at the alter,
of Cameron the Prince.

Sexy Tory handmaidens
Lester, Tim, and Huhne
Feasting on the homeless,
And howling at the moon.

Sexy Tory handmaidens
Campbell, Bruce, and Moore
singing halleluilia,
and stamping on the poor

Ex Tory handmaidens
Lost in 015
Taken us to places
We wished we'd never been.

[arista]

Ken is better than Boris. Shame.


No he Ain't
he stinks of wee
Not Up yo the Job.

[Kizzy]

As of 1 hour ago
Labour has won hundreds of council seats across England and Wales. The latest figures show:
Councils
Live blog: recap

Con: 30 (down 11)
Lab: 52 (up 22)
Lib Dem: 4 (down 1)
No overall control: 19 (down 8)
Other: 1 (down 2)
Councillors

Con: 617 (down 292)
Lab: 1,161 (up 485)
Lib Dem: 232 (down 132)
Other: 282 (down 89)

[arista]

Amazing
Labour Voters voted for Boris as Mayor of London
but voted Labour for the assembly.

Ref: BBC Vote 2012


What a Mega Kick In the Teeth For Ken.

Spiffing

[Kizzy]

your pokemon looks like its got a vag for a nose:joker:

he looks like this guy...
http://poietes.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/marvin-the-martian.jpg?w=367

[joeysteele]

As has been said Mayoral elections are more likely about personalities. That is why I am pleased the cities voting as to whether they want to have an elected Mayor are rejecting the idea.

These are not good results for the Conservatives but they are still far from horrendous, it is a very good set of results for Labour but shows a lot can go wrong for them before the next election and also that they have a lot more to do to gain the voters trust.
Unfortunately for the Conservatives David Cameron is coming across to the voters as a stumbler in politics, he dithers, he backtracks and comes across as accident prone on policy,that is not to say that his policies are wrong it is the way they are presented and communicated to the voters that is at fault.

However, this is a rotten result for the Lib Dems, they are not paying this price for being in coalition with the Conservatives,they are being hit so hard for their being seen as likely misleading the voters and betraying their trust at the last election, until they realise that is the real reason,they will head firmly behind Nick Clegg into a political wilderness for possibly generations not just years.

I personally feel that Boris when he wins the London Mayor election will be a thorn in David Cameron's side,I think his election will actually be more beneficial to Labour than to David Cameron, whereas should Ken have won it, then that could actually have been a negative thing for Labour equally.

[Brother Leon]

No he Ain't
he stinks of wee
Not Up yo the Job.

He done more for London and will do more for London than Boris though.

[arista]

He done more for London and will do more for London than Boris though.


Sure but he was Younger
and Not a Labour Party member.
Now he is with Dork Ed.

[Kizzy]

I have recently found myself softening towards the lib dems again, yes they look really bad for 'getting into bed' as it were with the tories and for backtracking on the student finance issue ...
However, if it were not for the lib dems in parliament many other unsavory policies would have made it through especially involving employment laws in this country, we have them to thank for that. But you are right joey the liberals will not recover from this for many many years.

[Brother Leon]

I have recently found myself softening towards the lib dems again, yes they look really bad for 'getting into bed' as it were with the tories and for backtracking on the student finance issue ...
However, if it were not for the lib dems in parliament many other unsavory policies would have made it through especially involving employment laws in this country, we have them to thank for that. But you are right joey the liberals will not recover from this for many many years.

We don't have to thank them for anything. The sooner they die as a party, the better.

[arista]

We don't have to thank them for anything. The sooner they die as a party, the better.


No they are the possible King Maker again

[thesheriff443]

i am a big fan of boris and i loved him on have i got news for you i would like him to be primeminister one day.

[joeysteele]

No they are the possible King Maker again

I don't think they will be, next time I can see only 3 election results, Labour winning a small overall majority or Labour or the Conservatives just short of an overall majority especially with the new proposed boundary changes.

Labour would likely only need in that scenario the SDLP in N.Ireland for support and possibly all or some of the Nationalists on the mainland.
The Conservatives may, if things improve strongly for them be able to govern with the DUP as support.
The Lib Dems will lose so many seats and have little or no credibility left in my opinion.

[arista]

i am a big fan of boris and i loved him on have i got news for you i would like him to be primeminister one day.

No

Mayor is best for him
or nothing

[michael21]

No

Mayor is best for him
or nothing

he need hair cut

[MTVN]

In actual fact anyone who abstains from voting in any election is tacitly saying that they agree with things as they are, don't care enough to want to change things and therefore indicating support (even apathetic support) for the party in power atm. It's a cop out to say that by not voting you are not responsible for the shambles that follows, you are because you had the opportunity to help change things.

I put my vote firmly and proudly in the Labour box.

Not when you don't think there's any prospective of getting real change through the ballot box. What can I say, I'm a cynic.

[MTVN]

Oh Bristol has voted for a Mayor, quite surprised seeing as most the other cities didn't, a turnout of only 24% though

[Vicky.]

I am quite shocked that the lib dems havent fell by more (and the tories for that matter) actually

One of my friends is the lib dem person for a few places in gateshead...and hes had a terrible time when canvassing and that because all hes getting is 'clegg is a lying bastard' and stuff like that (in nicer words obviously). hes getting really stressed about it because he says the local elections are totally different :S

That said..hes ridiculous. They didnt have anyone to stand for Bensham (I think it was) area...so he asked one of my other friends to do it while he was absolutely mortal drunk then pressured him into going to the meetings and that. I thought things like that were took seriously but clearly not :laugh:

[arista]

I am quite shocked that the lib dems havent fell by more (and the tories for that matter) actually

One of my friends is the lib dem person for a few places in gateshead...and hes had a terrible time when canvassing and that because all hes getting is 'clegg is a lying bastard' and stuff like that (in nicer words obviously). hes getting really stressed about it because he says the local elections are totally different :S

That said..hes ridiculous. They didnt have anyone to stand for Bensham (I think it was) area...so he asked one of my other friends to do it while he was absolutely mortal drunk then pressured him into going to the meetings and that. I thought things like that were took seriously but clearly not :laugh:


On the Wright Stuff
they had callers saying get Ed Miliband
removed as leader.
Saying Labour need a Female Leader?

[Livia]

I don't think they will be, next time I can see only 3 election results, Labour winning a small overall majority or Labour or the Conservatives just short of an overall majority especially with the new proposed boundary changes.

Labour would likely only need in that scenario the SDLP in N.Ireland for support and possibly all or some of the Nationalists on the mainland.
The Conservatives may, if things improve strongly for them be able to govern with the DUP as support.
The Lib Dems will lose so many seats and have little or no credibility left in my opinion.

We had our local elections here last year and the LibDems didn't even bother campaigning because they were so unpopular. I can't see that improving much anytime soon. As far as Labour/Conservatives go, I think three years is a long, long time. Getting so many Labour councillors in this week will be a little wake up call for the Labour supporters, but that's what happens when you vote locally on national issues. Conservative councils tend to freeze Council Tax, Labour councils raise it. And they're going to raise it by a lot. So in three years time, people may remember why they voted labour out of government.

[Livia]

On the Wright Stuff
they had callers saying get Ed Miliband
removed as leader.
Saying Labour need a Female Leader?

Yeah, Harriet Harman, maybe. She'll be as big a weapon for the Tories as Miliband is now.

[Niamh.]

Obviously I can't vote but if I could I'd vote for Boris, just for the comedy value, he's hilarious

[MTVN]

Might actually consider voting if there was ever a chance of Harriet Harman getting in to power, can't stand that woman

[MTVN]

I do actually feel quite sorry for the Lib Dems too, they're generally pretty good at a local level

[arista]

Yeah, Harriet Harman, maybe. She'll be as big a weapon for the Tories as Miliband is now.

Also Ed Balls's Wife

[arista]

Obviously I can't vote but if I could I'd vote for Boris, just for the comedy value, he's hilarious

Yes he is like a Star
when mums meet him.
From a Ch4 News Report the other day

[Niamh.]

Yes he is like a Star
when mums meet him.
From a Ch4 News Report the other day

:laugh:

I liked his "Pants on fire" comment

[joeysteele]

We had our local elections here last year and the LibDems didn't even bother campaigning because they were so unpopular. I can't see that improving much anytime soon. As far as Labour/Conservatives go, I think three years is a long, long time. Getting so many Labour councillors in this week will be a little wake up call for the Labour supporters, but that's what happens when you vote locally on national issues. Conservative councils tend to freeze Council Tax, Labour councils raise it. And they're going to raise it by a lot. So in three years time, people may remember why they voted labour out of government.

Indeed and it would be a foolish person who wrote the Conservatives off, however I cannot really see where winning an overall majority will be possible for them at the next election.
The last election should have been a walkover for them really, a totally discredited Labour Govt and Prime Minister with chaos in the country looming.
However it didn't happen even with Labour falling to only 29% of the popular vote, Labour for sure will not be on anything like as low as that next time.

I think it will be massively harder next time for anyone to get an overall majority, the saving grace for the Conservatives may be the Lib Dems doing so badly but they need to get at least 5% ahead of Labour to even have a chance of even getting the barest of overall majorities. I can't see it and I also can't see Labour getting one either on these figures today anyway.

[arista]

The Garaphics
by J.Vine on the BBC News
showed they only need the magic 11% ahead of Labour
to Win the General Election in 2015.

Labour have some more Corruption to come out by then
I am sick of Dork Ed - saying Millionaires being helped
when he went to see a Stinking Rick Owner
to get money.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01473/ROLLS-532_1473547a.jpg
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4203841/Ed-Miliband-in-limo-trip-to-100k-donor.html

[arista]

Dork Ed in Southhampton was hit
by a Egg on his back
his Jr. grabbed his jacket off him.


There is also today
more of No Overal Control
taking the conservative place in
Wales.

[arista]

Yes Boris has Won

Ref: LBC , SkyNewsHD

goes out on main news soon.


Kizzy you backed Ken
Alan Sugar , a Labour Peer
told millions to not vote for Ken.


Thank You Sugar
for talking the Truth.


And Labour should have checked
Kens Tax as he never put out all the info.


Thank you Labour Voters that Voted Boris.

[Tom4784]

I abstained from voting since I didn't care for any of them.

[arista]

I abstained from voting since I didn't care for any of them.


We need what they have Down Under
for Trouble makers like you.

[Brother Leon]

Smh at Boris winning.


London<<<<

[InOne]

Didn't bother. Not sure if I'm even registered.

[arista]

Didn't bother. Not sure if I'm even registered.


They need to sort people like you out.



Everyone who Votes Down Under
does it by Law,
thats what we need.

[InOne]

They need to sort people like you out.



Everyone who Votes Down Under
does it by Law,
thats what we need.

Good job we're not savages like those bloody Aussies then :idc:

[Jack_]

Still annoys me when people get irritated over the Lib Dems forming a coalition with the Conservatives.

The results of the 2010 election left no possible way of them siding with Labour to form a coalition, there simply wouldn't have been enough seats to form a majority, and then they'd have had to have gained the support of smaller parties like the SNP (whom will have all demanded ridiculous compromises and financial incentives for Scotland, Wales etc...which wouldn't have gone down well nationally at all) and formed some sort of rainbow coalition, which would've been a disaster waiting to happen.

Put yourselves in Nick Clegg's shoes. An opportunity to at last have some kind of real political power, and you'd turn it down? I don't think so. And put it this way...as bad as a lot of the policies introduced by the new government have been, I think we should, as someone has rightfully pointed out already, be thankful that the Lib Dems are at least present within this coalition. I dread to think how bad things could've been under a Tory majority. This is essentially a watered down Conservative government, and that is far better than a fully fledged one.

[Kizzy]

Exactly jack the liberal MP's are not letting the conservatives sneak in policies that benefit their fatcat friends, and make sure any dodgy dealings are not swept under the carpet but shouted from the rooftops (or leaked to the press at least) haha

[joeysteele]

I had no problem at all with the Lib Dems forming a coalition with the Conservatives, I believed the Conservatives appeared to have the best policies to deal with the deficit.I didn't like their policies as to the NHS and also on tuition fees,I also had reservations as to where the cuts should fall,that is why I felt I couldn't vote with my first ever vote for the Conservatives and no way could I have voted for Labour in May 2010.

I was though along with other students, near stalked by Lib Dem activists and also candidates for my vote, a group of us also had a session with a Lib Dem MP, who assured us that if the Conservatives got an overall majority,they would likely double tuition fees.
The promise we got was that no Lib Dem MP would ever vote to increase tuition fees to double those fees in Parliament.
Then there was even a signed pledge from Clegg and others to that effect done in public.

On the strength of that pledge and those guarantees,I voted Lib Dem,coalition however should be about compromise, the Conservatives planned to at least double the fees, the Lib Dem policy was to abolish them altogether.
Where the then compromise was in the Lib Dems dropping their plans to abolish the fees and then to not only allow the fees to be doubled but in fact to be trebled is beyond my understanding and belief.
I feel I was misled by the Lib Dems, my vote was got under false pretences by them,that they betrayed the trust I put in them and are abusing the power given to them by that trust of all their voters in 2010.

They have supported other things I disagree with strongly,how in a coalition agreement there could be a policy of top to bottom, across the board reform on the NHS when the Conservatives promised there would be no across the board reform but also then for the Lib Dems to support any reform of it when they had nothing as to it in their manifesto is also beyond belief,it is also wrong in my opinion.
That is in the main why I am against the Lib Dems now, just as are near half their voters from 2010 too. It is also why, I personally will give my time and vote to any party to keep the Lib Dems out of seats and to get them out as MPs/Councillors wherever and whenever I can.

I for one, and I know a great many people who feel the same, will never even consider voting Lib Dem again while the current batch of false MPs are the hierarchy of the party.
Not for joining a coalition with the Conservatives but for the reasons I have outlined and explained above.

They sold themseleves and their party out for a few miserable Ministerial positions and some extra salaries, then they make sure they can stay there for the full 5 years too, so terrified are they of facing the voters they in fact deceived in all likelihood.

[Jack_]

Just to clarify; no issue with those who dislike the Lib Dems as a result of policies that have been introduced since the coalition was formed. Although again, I must stress, things could have been a lot worse...I have no doubt about that.

The issue I have was or is with those who disliked them from the very minute the coalition agreement was signed, simply because they didn't want them to 'get into bed' with the Tories, when as I explained, realistically, they had no other choice.

[Kizzy]

Just to clarify; no issue with those who dislike the Lib Dems as a result of policies that have been introduced since the coalition was formed. Although again, I must stress, things could have been a lot worse...I have no doubt about that.

The issue I have was or is with those who disliked them from the very minute the coalition agreement was signed, simply because they didn't want them to 'get into bed' with the Tories, when as I explained, realistically, they had no other choice.

I hope you are not referring to me jack... If it is you have misinterprated what I said.

[joeysteele]

Just to clarify; no issue with those who dislike the Lib Dems as a result of policies that have been introduced since the coalition was formed. Although again, I must stress, things could have been a lot worse...I have no doubt about that.

The issue I have was or is with those who disliked them from the very minute the coalition agreement was signed, simply because they didn't want them to 'get into bed' with the Tories, when as I explained, realistically, they had no other choice.

I agree with you on that completely, Labour was soundly rejected, no way should they have been given any lifeline from the Lib Dems, they could in effect only form a viable coalition with the Conservatives. I supported that move.

[Harry!]

If I was old enough I would have voted Conservative

[MTVN]

Boris has won, it was bloody close though, 1,054,811 votes to Ken's 992,273, the Green candidate 3rd, Brian Paddick for the Lib Dems 4th and that Independent woman 5th

[arista]

Yes Boris has Won

Ref: LBC , SkyNewsHD

goes out on main news soon.


Kizzy you backed Ken
Alan Sugar , a Labour Peer
told millions to not vote for Ken.


Thank You Sugar
for talking the Truth.


And Labour should have checked
Kens Tax as he never put out all the info.


Thank you Labour Voters that Voted Boris.


Now confirmed on the Bloated BBC.

Well Done Boris

[Kizzy]

Now confirmed on the Bloated BBC.

Well Done Boris

Aw be fair...I wasen't the only one :D

[arista]

Aw be fair...I wasen't the only one :D


Your Far to Old Ken
was a wrong choice.


Next Time pick a winner

[Kizzy]

Your Far to Old Ken
was a wrong choice.


Next Time pick a winner

Ah shaddap...If old sugar had kept shtum ken would have won...bit clever of old sugar...with his millions and that.....

[arista]

Ah shaddap...If old sugar had kept shtum ken would have won...bit clever of old sugar...with his millions and that.....

Sugar was Wise on this.

[michael21]

Sugar was Wise on this.

your party got a beating today :dance:

[arista]

Boris Won
my vote did well
Fact.

[Kizzy]

Pffft!