I'm a little unsure...

[Joniface]

About Big Brother since it's move. I'm not sure what's going on, but it just seems so unorganised to me. I don't know if it's because of the channel change, but I'm really finding it hard to get back into watching it. It seems that Channel 5 are just playing around with Big Brother when it's a really important TV programme. I know change is good, but I think the changes they are introducing to the show aren't beneficial for this programme. I don't know. Does anyone agree with me?

If it doesn't pick up this summer, then I think I'm gonna have to stop watching it! :conf:

[Mrluvaluva]

I think Channel 4 took it a lot more seriously and put more into it, although I feel that waned in the last few years of it's life with them. There has been a lot of changes, since the switch of channels, and not all for the better. It will be interesting to see what happens with it this year.

[AJ.]

They've removed almost everything that made it special/separate from the rest & added literally nothing.

It's astounding how they can spend so much money yet take so little care & make such obvious vital mistakes.

[King Gizzard]

I just find it a little more tacky. I don't like how small the set and I miss Davina purely for the fact she was always more of a celebrity then Brian was. I miss having weirdos, and people that actually auditioned instead of all these people last year that had agents get them in. I miss BBLB and BBBM no matter how much it sucked because I just loved that routine every night.

[Rosy]

I disagree with certain points made as if you watch back some of the first programmes it was on a much much cheaper, smaller scale than it was last year.
I didn't enjoy Big Brother 11, the last one on Channel 4, as I thought it had terrible housemates and didn't like or dislike any of them enough to continue watching, it is the only one that I have missed.
I thought last years was great to watch though I agree that it was lacking in older more interesting housemates, and have enjoyed the Celebrity Big Brothers too that Channel 5 have so far had.
I agree about Brian though as I feel there is such a void without Davina.
Brian just isn't good enough as a presenter on the main show and would be better suited to BBBOTS. The previous presenters were all fantastic with Russell Brand, Dermot and Davina and that is what I feel Channel 5 would be best to address.

[arista]

I think Channel 4 took it a lot more seriously and put more into it, although I feel that waned in the last few years of it's life with them. There has been a lot of changes, since the switch of channels, and not all for the better. It will be interesting to see what happens with it this year.



You having a Laugh
they had Millions to spend on it
back years ago.


Ch5HD/Endemol team is Much Smaller
due to lack of funding.


Sign Of The Times.

[Patrick]

It's because all they care about is Celebrity Big Brother, and running the original Big Brother into the ground.

[Patrick]

It will be interesting to see what happens with it this year.

No it won't - because it's going to be the exact same as last year. That's the thing with Big Brother 2.0 - it's all the same, same eye, same house, same tacky humour, same dull tasks, same editing, same titles etc

Nothing is different about a series anymore - that's why it's lost it's uniqueness, honestly if you look at CBB8, BB12 and CBB9 they pretty much all feel like one big series.

The ******ing dullards brought back live feed in January - it became the highest rated show on 5* in history, and now they've took it away again for Summer? I'm sorry, I can't take morons like that seriously and I'm not sure why they think they're fit to run a ******ing show that use to mean something to people.

[Niamh.]

I really enjoyed it I have to say, for me the only thing it was lacking was live feed.......I may not watch a whole lot of live feed but knowing it's there is reassuring in a way that they can only edit so much.

Also, the messing around with nominations bothered me but tbf every year there is something that I'm not happy about and somethings that I am........even when it was on C4. I'm just glad we still have it tbh.

[Jordan.]

Yeah they've pretty much undermined it. When it was on C4 despite the falling ratings it was still one of the 'big shows' that had a lot of hype/speculation before the launch, C5 seem to have took all of that away.

[Utah]

I hate to sound like Cassandra but as I sid to the Producers you need better HMs. Last year a programme on fox cubs had more viewers than BB Speaks volumes, n'est pas?

[Stu]

It's simply a daft television show now. When it was on Channel 4 it wasn't a television show, it was more this network dominant, Channel 4 house some nutters were living in. It shared the same font as the Channel 4 font, ran live alongside whatever else was airing, and sort of took over the channel multiple times a day with it's sister shows, spin offs etc.

The tone of it being this creepy post modern opportunity to spy on people is gone. It's now some bizarre Channel 5 parody that retains very little of the original components of what made the original show so great. I've noticed that the majority of people who don't mind are the ones who roll around in Reality TV to begin with. The unhinged weirdos like me who hate Reality TV but made an exception for Big Brother have jumped ship.

[Maia]

It's because all they care about is Celebrity Big Brother, and running the original Big Brother into the ground.

This

The next series is a month away and there's just been no hype over it. All the news has just been about who's going into Celebrity Big Brother etc. and the normal series is being completely dismissed. I'm not even excited about it now like I usually would be because all of the original concepts of Big Brother and things to get excited about have been completely destroyed by Channel 5.

[Jarrod]

Dunno..

[Mrluvaluva]

You having a Laugh
they had Millions to spend on it
back years ago.


Ch5HD/Endemol team is Much Smaller
due to lack of funding.


Sign Of The Times.

I am not having a laugh at all. Whether they had 1M or 10M it doesn't change the fact they they still put more into it. I wasn't even talking in monetary values anyway. I think everyone is aware CH 5's budget is a lot less.

[Jordan.]

C5's budget can't be that bad when they forked out a million just for Jedward :bored:

[Stu]

BB10 was done for like a tenner and it was super duper.

[Niamh.]

BB10 was done for like a tenner and it was super duper.

That was because the HMs carried the whole show though, had C4 put a bit more effort in to it, it could have been the best series of all. BB11 was a pile of crap.

[Patrick]

I don't think there was anything wrong with the BB12 lot either, I think I might of liked them more than MOST of the BB11 Housemates - yeah they were young, shallow, fake, looking for fame etc but there was alot of great moments provided by them - I remember that week were they partied alot, got pissed every night, threw the matresses in the pool, wrecked the house and just had great banter.

Had that of been a few years ago, Highlight shows like that would of got alot of ratings. The BB12 cast did need more variety I agree entirely, infact all the great series like BB7, BB9, BB10 etc had mixed housemates - the main reason BB12 'failed' is because it aired right after CBB8 and I'm going to stand by that.

The majority of viewers got annoyed because their beloved Jedward, Amy Childs, Lucien and Kerry weren't in the house anymore - so deemed the original show 'dull' and 'boring' and barely anyone gave it a chance.

And then of course, Channel 5 didn't exactly help matters by being ignorant and ignoring fans, barely making a deal out of it etc

If they were going to start taking Big Brother seriously, then where's the news and speculaiton? It's May - May was always the month on TiBB were Big Brother news came in, gossip was spreading, the forum became alive again, the new eye was weeks away, house pictures were approaching, we'd stay up until midnight waiting for press releases etc

All of that is gone now. And it's just a great ******ing shame, because no matter what amazing and unique housemates they put in this summer, we aren't going to get that 'Pre Series' feeling back, and that was a major part of what made Big Brother IMO.


That was because the HMs carried the whole show though, had C4 put a bit more effort in to it, it could have been the best series of all. BB11 was a pile of crap.

Agree completely. If they had of threw in some better tasks, and I mean the BB10 tasks were that pathetic and embarrassing - they should of just refrained from even giving them tasks, because they were that awkward to watch. Twists would of been good too, but that's why I love BB10 - the housemates carried that series on their back.

[Niamh.]

I think having them all under 30 was an interesting thing to do, It hadn't been done before either so I enjoyed that. Having said that, I wouldn't want it every year either, I did miss the variety of HMs.

And I agree Paddy, they really need to listen to what the fans want a bit more.........give us some live feed especially, even if it's just for a few hours a day.

[Jordan.]

BB10 was done for like a tenner and it was super duper.

:worship:

[Mystic Mock]

I knew C5 wasn't going to take BB seriously when they took it's concept away and only kept the Highlight show and that awful spin off.

[InOne]

The whole concentrating on the celeb version is worrying me. The celeb HM's are getting worse and it's just an excuse to throw a load of TOWIE and MIC lot in together and hope they shag. The normal series was great last year but the manipulation and crappy editing let it down. Even the last CBB one was pretty good, but that was the HM's that made it, all very lazy on Ch5's part. I feel Ch5 BB has already had it's peak (albeit a small one) and will now just get progressively worse.

[Me. I Am Salman]

BB10 was done for like a tenner and it was super duper.

Oh maybe that's why it was so crap.

[Marc]

Live feed is needed :pipe:

[Joniface]

It's became more of a talent contest now. Years ago, there were average looking people in the house, funky looking people like Tracey from BB8, Pete from BB7 and old Carol from BB8. Everyone cast for the housemate line up last year was a stereotyped 'Good looking' person.

The show has lost it's meaning. It's supposed to be a social experiment, where it's audience watch the housemates being challenged and pushed to their limits by Big Brother. This isn't the case anymore. Big Brother's producers are letting the housemates get away with absolutely anything, the rules are always being broken, in the past three series, every housemate has discussed Nominations... Big Brother doesn't even bat an eye lid. There duvet sheets are being took off by producers and washed for them. And there was even speculation that Celebrities had taken their iPods into the house (When Amy Childs asked someone if they'd brought their iPod). What's going on? Why has the TV Show being completely stripped from it's format? The house has become so easy and laid back, the housemates don't even deserve the prize fund because they haven't earned it.

When Big Brother was on C4, the build up to Launch Night had me feeling sick with excitement. I know that's dramatic, but it did hahah! Eye flashes on the channel coming and going, then they'd get extended. Even Daniel Eatocks eye design was something different and no other Big Brother show across the world had the same design, apart from some country who ripped off the BB11 eye. Now C5 have gone with their own brand, and used a pathetic eye that a four year old child could draw. You can't do anything different with the new logo, whereas Eatocks eye was so diverse and the yearly eyes were amazing. I'm getting bored off it now, I really hope that they kick themselves in the arse this year, because there viewings are gonna go down!!

[Joniface]

Everyone used to be so excited with the reveal of the Eye every summer. It was soooo tense. No we have an actual eye, it's nothing special. Big Brother used to be special. Now it's just another TV Show.

[Patrick]

When Big Brother was on C4, the build up to Launch Night had me feeling sick with excitement. I know that's dramatic, but it did hahah!

That's not dramatic dude, literally 85% of this forum felt like that every year too.

I nearly had an anxiety attack during the run up to a BB10 Eviction - would never happen nowadays. Big Brother's nothing like this anymore. It's became just a silly show now, like everything else. It's such a shame.

[Joniface]

Yeah I agree completely. When the show was axed from C4 I was devestated, and when I found out it was moving to C5 I was so happy. On launch night I honestly couldn't breath I was that excited haha. When it started, the titles rolled and they were just really bad quality, the set outside the house was just bizzare... I love the eye stage at the side of the house, but the seating areas for the audience just looks mad.

I wish I could produce that show, I'd keep all of us Big Brother Fans pleased!

[InOne]

I guess society has changed since the 'glory days'. The mature fanbase has moved on and got bored of it so they're going for the teen audience who they know will lap up any old rubbish cos they've not seen many other series.

[King Gizzard]

It's simply a daft television show now. When it was on Channel 4 it wasn't a television show, it was more this network dominant, Channel 4 house some nutters were living in. It shared the same font as the Channel 4 font, ran live alongside whatever else was airing, and sort of took over the channel multiple times a day with it's sister shows, spin offs etc.

The tone of it being this creepy post modern opportunity to spy on people is gone. It's now some bizarre Channel 5 parody that retains very little of the original components of what made the original show so great. I've noticed that the majority of people who don't mind are the ones who roll around in Reality TV to begin with. The unhinged weirdos like me who hate Reality TV but made an exception for Big Brother have jumped ship.


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[Patrick]

I guess society has changed since the 'glory days'. The mature fanbase has moved on and got bored of it so they're going for the teen audience who they know will lap up any old rubbish cos they've not seen many other series.

The real fans are still there believe me, yeah some might of left after the joke that was BB8 - but if they really wanted they could get those fans back in a second, by bringing back live feed, getting a good mix of housemates and actually listening to what we want instead of going in the opposite direction.

But you're right, Channel 5 seem to want to impress the silly teenage audience who love this kind of stuff, it's funny aswell - because their 'target audience' nowadays are the ones who use to take the piss out of me [and i'm sure others] for watching Big Brother back in the day because it wasn't cool, yet now they're the ones watching it - so in a way it feels like Endemol have ******ing cheated us.

[thesheriff443]

its simple bigbrother went from reality to entertainment
each series got further away from the original with producers trying out new ideas and concepts,we are so far from the original that there is no way back

[Mrluvaluva]

No it won't - because it's going to be the exact same as last year. That's the thing with Big Brother 2.0 - it's all the same, same eye, same house, same tacky humour, same dull tasks, same editing, same titles etc

Nothing is different about a series anymore - that's why it's lost it's uniqueness, honestly if you look at CBB8, BB12 and CBB9 they pretty much all feel like one big series.

The ******ing dullards brought back live feed in January - it became the highest rated show on 5* in history, and now they've took it away again for Summer? I'm sorry, I can't take morons like that seriously and I'm not sure why they think they're fit to run a ******ing show that use to mean something to people.

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I suppose there's no point in getting excited about it then?

[Jords]

Being on Channel 5 just puts a downer on things

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Why is everyone still kissing Channel 4's arse?

They were the people who run BB into the ground and turned it into a gimmicky teeny show where no alcohol consumption was allowed and barely a nipple was shown due to them being terrified of offcom.

Channel 5 bring it back and BOOM we get housemates having wanking competitions, actual naked housemates on show, alcohol round the clock, great arguments and less gimmicky **** aka Davina Mckaw and Bob Ryter!

If anything Channel 5 have taken it back to how it was.

The only thing i hate is the editing as its to pollished and BB does not need musical montages during an episode but then again Channel 4 were the ones who started that in BB11.

I enjoyed BB12 and CBB9 its just the god damn live feed!!!! We have that back and i will be a very happy guy.

I think people are being unfair to Channel 5 considering you was all saying how great promotion was last year and how people loved the new staging and stuff. They put alot of effort into it. BB was even being advertised primetime on itv!

Now we have a brand new eye which is one of the best in years.

We also have the teaser ads leading up to BB and a new ad due to air next Monday. This is traditional BB promo in the lead up to launch which we all love!

Im happy we still have BB and Channel 5 bought it coz after the race row no other channel would touch it with a barge pole.

[Jords]

Why is everyone still kissing Channel 4's arse?

They were the people who run BB into the ground and turned it into a gimmicky teeny show where no alcohol consumption was allowed and barely a nipple was shown due to them being terrified of offcom.

Channel 5 bring it back and BOOM we get housemates having wanking competitions, actual naked housemates on show, alcohol round the clock, great arguments and less gimmicky **** aka Davina Mckaw and Bob Ryter!

If anything Channel 5 have taken it back to how it was.

The only thing i hate is the editing as its to pollished and BB does not need musical montages during an episode but then again Channel 4 were the ones who started that in BB11.

I enjoyed BB12 and CBB9 its just the god damn live feed!!!! We have that back and i will be a very happy guy.

I think people are being unfair to Channel 5 considering you was all saying how great promotion was last year and how people loved the new staging and stuff. They put alot of effort into it. BB was even being advertised primetime on itv! And now we have a brand new eye which is one of the best in years.

Im happy we still have BB and Channel 5 bought it coz after the race row no other channel would touch it with a barge pole.

For sure. But they were also the channel that gave us some amazing BB TV and it was 1 of their most successful shows ever.

People lose interest. And Channel 4 didnt know what to do to change this.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

For sure. But they were also the channel that gave us some amazing BB TV and it was 1 of their most successful shows ever.

People lose interest. And Channel 4 didnt know what to do to change this.

Channel 4 didnt want the show after the race row. They hated it and wanted it gone it was plane to see.

Yes years ago it was huge on channel 4 but that was way back in like bb7 era.

[Fat.Rat]

Channel 4 didnt want the show after the race row. They hated it and wanted it gone it was plane to see.

Yes years ago it was huge on channel 4 but that was way back in like bb7 era.

This is true, when i think back to the great glory days of bb it stops after bb7 and that because of the race row, after that bb went down hill, maybe if another channel had taken bb in 2007 i think it could have done well or if channel 4 had rested the entire series for a year or so after the row maybe they wouldnt have been so scared to do things with the show that they used to. x

[BBDodge]

They are only really interested in the celeb version, so will try to make the proper show more like the celeb version.

You are not going to get "normal" housemates, only celeb clones to be groomed into the "next Jade Goody".

[Patrick]

Why is everyone still kissing Channel 4's arse?

They were the people who run BB into the ground and turned it into a gimmicky teeny show where no alcohol consumption was allowed and barely a nipple was shown due to them being terrified of offcom.

Channel 5 bring it back and BOOM we get housemates having wanking competitions, actual naked housemates on show, alcohol round the clock, great arguments and less gimmicky **** aka Davina Mckaw and Bob Ryter!

If anything Channel 5 have taken it back to how it was.

The only thing i hate is the editing as its to pollished and BB does not need musical montages during an episode but then again Channel 4 were the ones who started that in BB11.

I enjoyed BB12 and CBB9 its just the god damn live feed!!!! We have that back and i will be a very happy guy.

I think people are being unfair to Channel 5 considering you was all saying how great promotion was last year and how people loved the new staging and stuff. They put alot of effort into it. BB was even being advertised primetime on itv!

Now we have a brand new eye which is one of the best in years.

We also have the teaser ads leading up to BB and a new ad due to air next Monday. This is traditional BB promo in the lead up to launch which we all love!

Im happy we still have BB and Channel 5 bought it coz after the race row no other channel would touch it with a barge pole.

I love you. You speak the truth.

This is exactly what I was saying during BB12 on Facebook to people. Everyone was all 'Big Bruv is pants now on CH5. Should of left it on CH4' etc

People seem to forget how Channel 4 treated Big Brother after BB9. They left it to rot for a year [2009] and then decided to do all they could to ruin what could of been a decent series, in 2010. I'm sorry but I'll never forgive them for that Quadruple eviction stunt they pulled in BB11's final week.
And the way they never advertised it after BB7 because they felt ashamed of it etc

Channel 5 did an amazing job during BB12 in terms of bringing back that spark it lacked in recent years, as you said we got housemates going crazy, arguing, getting naked, talk of sex in the house, rebelling etc - that's what we had in BB5,BB6,BB7 and BB9 and that's what made those series amazing.

It's a shame that so many people never gave BB12 a chance - and that's where Channel 5 shot themselves in the foot, because of CBB and I do believe all Channel 5 NEED to change is:


The Host
The Editing
The Launch Approach
The Arselicking of CBB
Live Feed


And we'd have Big Brother back to how it was.