North Carolina bans Gay marriage

[InOne]

North Carolina
voters approved a constitutional amendment yesterday defining marriage
solely as a union between a man and a woman, becoming the latest US
state to effectively slam the door shut on same-sex marriages.

With most of the precincts reporting yesterday, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 61 per cent of the vote to 39 per cent against. North Carolina is the 30th state to adopt such a ban on gay marriage.
More here
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-carolina-bans-gay-marriage-7727759.html

[Black Dagger]

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They are legit scum of the earth and should die already, or get their heads out of their rear-end, if death is a tad harsh.

[Niamh.]

I wonder what they have against it? It's not as if they take marriage all that seriously there anyway, the divorce rate is so high

[Marsh.]

Quite rightly too. :hmph:

[Marsh.]

I wonder what they have against it? It's not as if they take marriage all that seriously there anyway, the divorce rate is so high

Sounds like the amendment passed despite the majority of the voters being in favour.

[InOne]

It was already banned but now it's in the constitution. So could be another 20 years before it's looked at again.

[MTVN]

Sounds like the amendment passed despite the majority of the voters being in favour.

Eh the amendment was essentially to ban same-sex marriage, that's what 61% of people were in favour of

[Marsh.]

Eh the amendment was essentially to ban same-sex marriage, that's what 61% of people were in favour of

Oh, I presumed the vote was on those in favour of same-sex marriage and those against. Wow, I'm actually surprised America is so against it tbh.

[arista]

******** :bored:

They are legit scum of the earth and should die already, or get their heads out of their rear-end, if death is a tad harsh.


Yes but thats what some parts of America
are like.

[Legend killer]

One tree hill

[MTVN]

I wouldn't say North Carolina is representative of all of America tbf, same sex marriages are legal there in some parts of the country which is more than can be said for here

[Ramsay]

we're in the 21st ****ing century .. get with it carolina ye dopes

[Black Dagger]

Yes but thats what some parts of America
are like.

Oh, I can't dispute that.

[Black Dagger]

we're in the 21st ****ing century .. get with it carolina ye dopes

.

[Marsh.]

I wouldn't say North Carolina is representative of all of America tbf, same sex marriages are legal there in some parts of the country which is more than can be said for here

Civil partnership is better than nothing. Apart from the name, it's essentially all of the same rights of a marriage.

[bbfan1991]

What a joke and what a shame that there will always be still some bigoted views around. I am straight and believe that gay people have as much right to get married as straight people because it is about declaring love.

Marriages nowadays mean nothing in terms of vows because of the amount of people divorcing quickly or the rush decisions couples make but it is their life, although fair play to couples that have been married for lots and lots of years through the highs and lows:).

[Saph]

Why doesnt Obama or whoever just make it legal in the whole country :/ who cares if some people don't like it.. not everyone liked having a black president, but they got over it, and would get over same sex marriage as well

[nicole_burks]

Why doesnt Obama or whoever just make it legal in the whole country :/ who cares if some people don't like it.. not everyone liked having a black president, but they got over it, and would get over same sex marriage as well
Not everyone is going to listen to him.

[Samuel.]

Wow. I thought America was gradually getting better with homosexuality.

[MTVN]

Why doesnt Obama or whoever just make it legal in the whole country :/ who cares if some people don't like it.. not everyone liked having a black president, but they got over it, and would get over same sex marriage as well

Because States would get really pissed off at having their right to decide things like this taken away

[nicole_burks]

North Carolina is trending on my twitter

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rhfkbzMR1qfrj7t.png
some of the tweets

[Tom4784]

Marriage is sacred you see, Two men or women can't get married because it isn't right but Kim Kardashian can marry for money and that's all fine and dandy because she married a man.

Good family values and all that.

[Niamh.]

North Carolina is trending on my twitter

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rhfkbzMR1qfrj7t.png
some of the tweets

hahaha, I love the last one :laugh:

[Jack_]

Welcome to the progressive world.

2012 and places are banning gay marriage. What the ****?

[Vicky.]

Civil partnership is better than nothing. Apart from the name, it's essentially all of the same rights of a marriage.

This

Marriage (to me anyway) is more of a religious thing. I dont actually understand why any gay couple would want a part in something that demonises them for their sexual preferance anyway.

Can straight people get civil partnerships? I would actually rather have that than marriage :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Marriage is sacred you see, Two men or women can't get married because it isn't right but Kim Kardashian can marry for money and that's all fine and dandy because she married a man.

Good family values and all that.

:joker:

[Shaun]

This

Marriage (to me anyway) is more of a religious thing. I dont actually understand why any gay couple would want a part in something that demonises them for their sexual preferance anyway.

I personally agree but that's essentially a massive barrier to homosexuals who do identify themselves as Christian. It'd be like a gym banning fat people - we never use them, but it's nice to know they're there.

Plus there's still inequality about the whole thing. It's all very nice to say that homosexuals have equal rights now but they still have to say "oh we're not married, we're just under a civil union".

There's just no reason for there not to be gay marriage. Anyone who quotes the Bible is effectively drawing argument from the same book that allows you to sell your daughter, kill people for wearing two different fabrics and damn anyone for working on a Sunday.

Can straight people get civil partnerships? I would actually rather have that than marriage :laugh:

I believe you can :p

[Vicky.]

I personally agree but that's essentially a massive barrier to homosexuals who do identify themselves as Christian. It'd be like a gym banning fat people - we never use them, but it's nice to know they're there.

Plus there's still inequality about the whole thing. It's all very nice to say that homosexuals have equal rights now but they still have to say "oh we're not married, we're just under a civil union".

There's just no reason for there not to be gay marriage. Anyone who quotes the Bible is effectively drawing argument from the same book that allows you to sell your daughter, kill people for wearing two different fabrics and damn anyone for working on a Sunday.

I believe you can :p
Meh not really. That said I know only one gay couple who have a civil partnership...but they class themselves as married, and tell people they are married :S

Its essentially the same thing but with a different name. So while I do think its daft for gay people to 'technically' not be able to be married...I also think its a bit daft to get wound up about not being able to get married in the traditional sense. And I definitely dont agree with some peoples ideas about forcing churches to allow gay marriages to happen. We have to respect their views (however ignorant and bigoted they are) and if their views are that being gay is a sin...then its wrong to force church folk to do something they disagree with.

Is a civil partnership just going to a registry office? Or is that classed as marriage too?

'Anyone who quotes the Bible is effectively drawing argument from the same book that allows you to sell your daughter, kill people for wearing two different fabrics and damn anyone for working on a Sunday.; :laugh2: at this bit though. How true this is :D

[Jords]

Working backwards!

[Niall]

What disgusting, backward ***** they are :amazed:

[InOne]

Obama's view has always been a bit shakey on this topic, he used to oppose it but recently said he's "warming" to it. Don't know if he's given a official statement yet.

[Niall]

This

Marriage (to me anyway) is more of a religious thing. I dont actually understand why any gay couple would want a part in something that demonises them for their sexual preferance anyway.

Can straight people get civil partnerships? I would actually rather have that than marriage :laugh:

Well I'm a Christian and gay, so having a religious marriage would be more preferable to me than something secular.

[Vicky.]

Well I'm a Christian and gay, so having a religious marriage would be more preferable to me than something secular.

See I dont understand this at all.

It would be like me chosing a religion that hates women, thinks its unnatural to be a woman, and looks down on me for having a vagina D:

Each to their own though.

Do you go to church and that too?

[Niall]

See I dont understand this at all.

It would be like me chosing a religion that hates women, thinks its unnatural to be a woman, and looks down on me for having a vagina D:

Each to their own though.

Do you go to church and that too?

Well its not as if I chose to be Christian really I've grown up in a Catholic family so its something that has been drummed into me and I kinda believe in it myself now. I don't identify myself as any type of denomination though now, I rejected all the going to Church crap. I mean if God's everywhere, why should I waste an hour a week at a building to see him? Its silly.

I used to go to Church though. Technically I should've been confirmed at 15, but by then I was fairly sure of sexuality and I wasn't going to enter into a lifelong commitment to a Church that thinks I'm morally wrong. :joker:

[Shaun]

Meh not really. That said I know only one gay couple who have a civil partnership...but they class themselves as married, and tell people they are married :S

Its essentially the same thing but with a different name. So while I do think its daft for gay people to 'technically' not be able to be married...I also think its a bit daft to get wound up about not being able to get married in the traditional sense.

I suppose I'm more caught up with how other people perceive it. I just don't think we can say gay people have the same rights until gay marriage is legal.

And I definitely dont agree with some peoples ideas about forcing churches to allow gay marriages to happen. We have to respect their views (however ignorant and bigoted they are) and if their views are that being gay is a sin...then its wrong to force church folk to do something they disagree with.

That's the thing, though. The 'church' is so diverse and full of conflicting opinions that it's a bit rich to say they're being laboured with something they totally disagree with: there're many gay priests and bishops (and that's ignoring the obvious choir-boy jibes :p) who're in favour of gay marriage. On the other hand there're groups of Christians in favour of picketing soldiers' funerals with "God Hates Fags" placards. It's not entirely representative to worry we're imposing something a whole religion disagrees with on them, when they don't.

Is a civil partnership just going to a registry office? Or is that classed as marriage too?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/17/gay-marriage-civil-partnerships

Reading that it would appear the only difference is a religious one.

[Vicky.]

Well its not as if I chose to be Christian really I've grown up in a Catholic family so its something that has been drummed into me and I kinda believe in it myself now. I don't identify myself as any type of denomination though now, I rejected all the going to Church crap. I mean if God's everywhere, why should I waste an hour a week at a building to see him? Its silly.

I used to go to Church though. Technically I should've been confirmed at 15, but by then I was fairly sure of sexuality and I wasn't going to enter into a lifelong commitment to a Church that thinks I'm morally wrong. :joker:
Bloody spot on. Very rare you hear/see a religious person say that too :laugh:

I grew up in a christian family, was made to go to sunday school and that...knew from a very young age that it wasnt for me. Sunday school teachers must have hated me because I was a cocky little **** who kept asking questions they couldnt answer infront of everyone (main one being dinosaurs...I think I brought that up like every other week)

[Tom4784]

See I dont understand this at all.

It would be like me chosing a religion that hates women, thinks its unnatural to be a woman, and looks down on me for having a vagina D:

Each to their own though.

Do you go to church and that too?

....So Christianity?

[Vicky.]

That's the thing, though. The 'church' is so diverse and full of conflicting opinions that it's a bit rich to say they're being laboured with something they totally disagree with: there're many gay priests and bishops (and that's ignoring the obvious choir-boy jibes :p) who're in favour of gay marriage. On the other hand there're groups of Christians in favour of picketing soldiers' funerals with "God Hates Fags" placards. It's not entirely representative to worry we're imposing something a whole religion disagrees with on them, when they don't.


:joker:

Thats a great point actually. I'm pretty damn sure its not ALL churches or ALL christians who oppose gay marriage...I'm sure a lot are openminded enough to realise that what goes on in another persons bedroom is absolutely ******* all to do with anyone else.

[Vicky.]

....So Christianity?

Most religions tbh.

Part of the reason I have no religion :laugh:

[Niall]

Bloody spot on. Very rare you hear/see a religious person say that too :laugh:

I grew up in a christian family, was made to go to sunday school and that...knew from a very young age that it wasnt for me. Sunday school teachers must have hated me because I was a cocky little **** who kept asking questions they couldnt answer infront of everyone (main one being dinosaurs...I think I brought that up like every other week)

Haha. :laugh: I just think its so silly to say things like "God is in all of us" but insist that I come to Church every week and all that. :bored: I hate the Church as an institution anyway. Its corrupt and unnecessary.

:joker: I never went to Sunday school, but I went to a Catholic primary though. My Nan used to look after me when I was little and she'd take me to all these churches and stuff. It was dull. She used to bring me to this prayer group thing sometimes where these people would just sit there praying the rosary over and over for like half an hour. It was boring as ****. :bored:

[Vicky.]

The main reason I hate churches (and yes I do hate them) is because of how they treat my grandma.

She used to go every sunday...and always put £50 in the collection. And £50 a week is a hell of a lot for a 70 year old living only on their pension.

Anyway, she got ill and went downhill really quickly so obviously had to stop going to church. I was living with her at the time. About a month after she stopped going, a letter came through the door...was just a plain white envelope and I used to open my grans post to get rid of junk mail and that, and make sure her bills were paid, so I opened it. Was a very short letter from her church. Said something along the lines of 'we have been missing you at church recently, hope everything is alright' and in with it was a collections envelope. I was ****ing fuming that they were still wanting cash off her, I didnt even tell her because I knew she was soft enough to give them it, I just put it in the bin. The week after that another collections envelope came with a note saying 'get well soon'. again, went in the bin.

That was the last of them, I think they got the hint. But for them to do stuff like that...just proves they are only out for money.

[Vicky.]

(And sorry for going a bit offtopic too D: )

[Niall]

The main reason I hate churches (and yes I do hate them) is because of how they treat my grandma.

She used to go every sunday...and always put £50 in the collection. And £50 a week is a hell of a lot for a 70 year old living only on their pension.

Anyway, she got ill and went downhill really quickly so obviously had to stop going to church. I was living with her at the time. About a month after she stopped going, a letter came through the door...was just a plain white envelope and I used to open my grans post to get rid of junk mail and that, and make sure her bills were paid, so I opened it. Was a very short letter from her church. Said something along the lines of 'we have been missing you at church recently, hope everything is alright' and in with it was a collections envelope. I was ****ing fuming that they were still wanting cash off her, I didnt even tell her because I knew she was soft enough to give them it, I just put it in the bin. The week after that another collections envelope came with a note saying 'get well soon'. again, went in the bin.

That was the last of them, I think they got the hint. But for them to do stuff like that...just proves they are only out for money.

Yeah exactly. It pisses me of they demand money too. I hate it. You can be religious without having to be part of some institution. :bored:

[Ammi]

Imo the church and christians hide behind their arcaic traditions of 'marriage is between a man and a woman for the procreation of children' to try and justify their hypocracy and bigotry. There are many male/female 'christian' marriages which neither procreate any children or they end in divorce..oh and there's many other things some do which go against their religion..but it's not addressed as to whether they should be allowed a christian ceremony..it's ok because they're not gay..
..I was brought up in the Catholic faith too but this just typifies everything I loathe about christianity..I'd have more respect for them if they just turned round and said 'we don't like gay people'...they're just hypocrites who bend the rules to suit themselves..

I saw some of the christians in North Carolina who were supporting the ban..with their banners and sloganed Tshirts..and a lot of them were very young...early twenties maybe...I find it disturbing that these young people are being brought up with this bigotry instilled into them...
...unbelievable that it's 2012

[Vicky.]

I saw some of the christians in North Carolina who were supporting the ban..with their banners and sloganed Tshirts..and a lot of them were very young...early twenties maybe...I find it disturbing that these young people are being brought up with this bigotry instilled into them...
...unbelievable that it's 2012

IMO younger people seem to be a lot more tolerant of things than older people who are already set in their ways.

Its a lot more common to be gay (or be 'out'...I'm sure the amount of homosexuals were alway the same) these days than it was say...30-40 years ago, so younger people are more likely to accept it.

[Niall]

The one thing I find particularly ridiculous about Christian Churches rejecting gay marriage is the shaky ground their supporting evidence for such rejection is based on. Its been proved multiple times that the passages where the Bible declares homosexuality an "abomination" etc aren't to be taken literally. I think the Bible also says that wearing cotton is an "abomination"? Its ridiculous! :laugh:

[Ammi]

IMO younger people seem to be a lot more tolerant of things than older people who are already set in their ways.

Its a lot more common to be gay (or be 'out'...I'm sure the amount of homosexuals were alway the same) these days than it was say...30-40 years ago, so younger people are more likely to accept it.

I was referring to the young christians campaigning for the ban..most of them seemed to be in their early twenties..not young people in general..
..I find it disturbing that so many from childhood are still indoctrinated with such bigoted beliefs

[Niall]

I was referring to the young christians campaigning for the ban..most of them seemed to be in their early twenties..not young people in general..
..I find it disturbing that so many from childhood are still indoctrinated with such bigoted beliefs

Well this is Bible Belt America we're talking about. Its to be expected tbh.

[BBfanUSA]

Oh, I presumed the vote was on those in favour of same-sex marriage and those against. Wow, I'm actually surprised America is so against it tbh.

It's actually a state by state basis.

California
New York
Iowa
And a bunch of NE states are the only ones that allow it. Though not a single one was by a public vote but instead thru each state's own congress or supreme court.

[Ammi]

..yes you're right it is to be expected in Bible Belt America...but I've witnessed it first hand here too..the bigotry instilled from a very young age

[Niall]

..yes you're right it is to be expected in Bible Belt America...but I've witnessed it first hand here too..the bigotry instilled from a very young age

Yeah I guess so. I've seen varying degrees of it really. I mean at my school there are loads of Church of England kids and they all seem completely tolerant of gay marriage and all that, but those people I'm friends with from my (Catholic) primary school all seem incredibly intolerant of gay marriage and homosexuality in general. :suspect:

[Shaun]

Obama Backs Gay Marriage: [UPDATED] President Obama has publicly announced his support for gay marriage in an interview today with Robin Roberts.

I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or Marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.

Obama, who is the first U.S. president to openly back gay marriage, had come under fire this week for remaining mum on the subject after Joe Biden and Arne Duncan publicly declared their support. The president’s announcement comes a day after North Carolina voted in favor of a constitutional amendment that bans marriage equality.

4 more years kthx

[Kizzy]

Rednecks...Gotta love em, generations of inbreeding...fine. Gay marriage..no

[Black Dagger]

4 more years kthx

He's always shown support, no doubt these backward Americans will go for the strong homophobe though. Obama >

[GypsyGoth]

It's very sad, but it's no surprise when religious people are allow to make laws for everyone.

[Jack_]

I just don't see why an institution should be allowed to actively discriminate against a certain section of society, it effectively just promotes inequality and isn't at all progressive. The aim is to try and work towards a society where everyone is equal (hi utopia), and by excluding certain groups from certain practices you're only prohibiting that further.

I understand that it's a religious ceremony but the simple fact that numerous non-religious people get married (and some whom also oppose gay marriage) is just complete hypocrisy. If you're going to allow that to happen, how can you possibly ban gay couples from marrying? Everyone should have a choice of either marriage or civil partnership, regardless of sexual orientation.

[InOne]

Imo the church and christians hide behind their arcaic traditions of 'marriage is between a man and a woman for the procreation of children' to try and justify their hypocracy and bigotry. There are many male/female 'christian' marriages which neither procreate any children or they end in divorce..oh and there's many other things some do which go against their religion..but it's not addressed as to whether they should be allowed a christian ceremony..it's ok because they're not gay..
..I was brought up in the Catholic faith too but this just typifies everything I loathe about christianity..I'd have more respect for them if they just turned round and said 'we don't like gay people'...they're just hypocrites who bend the rules to suit themselves..

I saw some of the christians in North Carolina who were supporting the ban..with their banners and sloganed Tshirts..and a lot of them were very young...early twenties maybe...I find it disturbing that these young people are being brought up with this bigotry instilled into them...
...unbelievable that it's 2012

There seems to be a lot of these American evangelical 'cool to be Christian' type churches popping up in the UK, that actively try draw younger people in. The Abundant Life Church is one of them that I've noticed. There still seems to be a strong core of Methodist families about too, and all the branches of that. My friend made a radical conversion and went to church with him once, the stuff the preacher way saying was quite out there.

[Niall]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rxa3QOHR1qzyiauo1_400.gif

-glares in the general direction go North Carolina-

[Kizzy]

http://www2.lhric.org/pst/shms/Image225.gif
Glares in the general direction of a church...

[Ammi]

There seems to be a lot of these American evangelical 'cool to be Christian' type churches popping up in the UK, that actively try draw younger people in. The Abundant Life Church is one of them that I've noticed. There still seems to be a strong core of Methodist families about too, and all the branches of that. My friend made a radical conversion and went to church with him once, the stuff the preacher way saying was quite out there.

..yes that's what I mean..I find it quite worrying that there seems to be these 'christian' churches who indoctrinate children from a very very young age to be bigots imo

[Vicky.]

I was referring to the young christians campaigning for the ban..most of them seemed to be in their early twenties..not young people in general..
..I find it disturbing that so many from childhood are still indoctrinated with such bigoted beliefs

ahhh, totally misread your post :laugh:

[Ammi]

ahhh, totally misread your post :laugh:

..I find it quite alarming that even from Sunday school age..that some children are still being brainwashed into these archiac beliefs..but I guess 'christianity' will never progress

[nicole_burks]

..yes you're right it is to be expected in Bible Belt America...but I've witnessed it first hand here too..the bigotry instilled from a very young age
i'm apart of the "bible belt of america." My parents are strong Christians and believe that gay marriage should be outlawed, but imo I really don't care.
I believe if two people are in love and want to get married then let them get married.

I know a lot of people that believe this, that are from my state. I wouldn't just say that it's the "bible belt" a lot of other states are against it too.