Gay rights video: Please share this on twitter/facebook and anywhere else you can

[daniel-lewis-1985]

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[Black Dagger]

This made me cry when I saw it last week.

[lostalex]

It's a bit too over produced for my tastes. Feels like another Kony 2012 type production. I wonder if the guy that made this is a video editor.

I feel bad for his loss, but his story doesn't really have a whole lot to do with gay marriage laws. All of the problems he described could have been solved by just having a will, which is already legal. And the parents of his dead lover would still be the assholes they are even if he was married.

Also i really didn't like how it seemed like he was trying to hide the fact that his lover committed suicide. The way he just said "this is where he fell off the building" felt like he wasn't telling the whole story.

not my cup of tea this. i definitely support marriage equality though.

[Black Dagger]

It's a bit too over produced for my tastes. Feels like another Kony 2012 type production. I wonder if the guy that made this is a video editor.

I feel bad for his loss, but his story doesn't really have a whole lot to do with gay marriage laws. All of the problems he described could have been solved by just having a will, which is already legal. And the parents of his dead lover would still be the assholes they are even if he was married.

Also i really didn't like how it seemed like he was trying to hide the fact that his lover committed suicide. The way he just said "this is where he fell off the building" felt like he wasn't telling the whole story.

not my cup of tea this. i definitely support marriage equality though.

Mainly due to the fact that he didn't commit suicide.

[lostalex]

Mainly due to the fact that he didn't commit suicide.

then was he pushed? it's not made clear in the video.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It's a bit too over produced for my tastes. Feels like another Kony 2012 type production. I wonder if the guy that made this is a video editor.

I feel bad for his loss, but his story doesn't really have a whole lot to do with gay marriage laws. All of the problems he described could have been solved by just having a will, which is already legal. And the parents of his dead lover would still be the assholes they are even if he was married.

Also i really didn't like how it seemed like he was trying to hide the fact that his lover committed suicide. The way he just said "this is where he fell off the building" felt like he wasn't telling the whole story.

not my cup of tea this. i definitely support marriage equality though.

Are you seriously crtisizing production of the editing on such a sad story? This isnt about how the video was produced its about the fact he lost his long term partner.

This is about human rights and us gay men deserve exactly the same rights as anyone else, He lived with his partner for 6 years, shared a mortgage and shared a business. They were best friends and in love and he was denied to say goodbye or even find out exactly what happened from the hospital.

If this was a straight couple who had been together for over half a decade then im sure the partner would be allowed to visit the body or get some closure on what happened after such a tragedy.

You cannot assume he commited suicide either, have you ever heard of accidental death?

I would be devistated if this happened to me but no redneck family threatening me with physical violence would not keep me away from the funeral.

**** the legal system, this should be about equality, compassion and respect for anyone grieving the loss of someone they were in love with.

Its like they totally pretended he never existed and was left totally alone with no closure on his relationship.

[Niall]

Such a sad story. It disgusts me as to how intolerant people can be. I just hope that someday there won't be as many stories like this. Theyre so commonplace nowadays. :sad:

[lostalex]

Are you seriously crtisizing production of the editing on such a sad story? This isnt about how the video was produced its about the fact he lost his long term partner.

This is about human rights and us gay men deserve exactly the same rights as anyone else, He lived with his partner for 6 years, shared a mortgage and shared a business. They were best friends and in love and he was denied to say goodbye or even find out exactly what happened from the hospital.

If this was a straight couple who had been together for over half a decade then im sure the partner would be allowed to visit the body or get some closure on what happened after such a tragedy.

You cannot assume he commited suicide either, have you ever heard of accidental death?

I would be devistated if this happened to me but no redneck family threatening me with physical violence would not keep me away from the funeral.

**** the legal system, this should be about equality, compassion and respect for anyone grieving the loss of someone they were in love with.

Its like they totally pretended he never existed and was left totally alone with no closure on his relationship.

wow, you are LYING about what i said. i'm not going to bother with you if you are going to just be hysterical and unable to have a conversation.

I clearly stated that i absolutely support gay rights.

I said the video looked highly edited (which it is) and i don't feel comfortable jumping to any conclusions. you havn't heard all sides of the story, and from what i've seen in this video it seems specifically edited with music and clips to play on peoples emotions. You have no idea about the true story when you watch such a highly edited film clearly from 1 point of view which doesn't present any other view points. You can accept clear cut heroes and villians all you like, all i'm saying is that this video is clearly made from a very emotional view point from just 1 side.

How does that mean that i'm against equality? i'm not.

You've heard one side, and you automatically assume the family are rednecks? so you've already shown yur prejudice, yu have no idea if they are "rednecks" or not, whatever that even means.

All i said is that when i see video's edited in this way, it raises red flags with me, because the maker was clearly using editing and music to play on emotions, and that type of manipulation can be very persuassive.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

wow, you are LYING about what i said. i'm not going to bother with you if you are going to just be hysterical and unable to have a conversation.

I clearly stated that i absolutely support gay rights.

I said the video looked highly edited (which it is) and i don't feel comfortable jumping to any conclusions. you havn't heard all sides of the story, and from what i've seen in this video it seems specifically edited with music and clips to play on peoples emotions. You have no idea about the true story when you watch such a highly edited film clearly from 1 point of view which doesn't present any other view points. You can accept clear cut heroes and villians all you like, all i'm saying is that this video is clearly made from a very emotional view point from just 1 side.

How does that mean that i'm against equality? i'm not.

You've heard one side, and you automatically assume the family are rednecks? so you've already shown yur prejudice, yu have no idea if they are "rednecks" or not, whatever that even means.

All i said is that when i see video's edited in this way, it raises red flags with me, because the maker was clearly using editing and music to play on emotions, and that type of manipulation can be very persuassive.

How am i lying? I was talking about what a sad situation it is and the first thing you comment on is the editing of it. I just thought that was a bit strange.

And yes i say rednecks because their views are redneck by disowning their son for being gay.

Definition of redneck: Backwards. They are 100% backwards and dellutional to think they could have medically changed his sexuality if he had told them sooner and threatening the partner with violence is REDNECK/ROUGH.

Dumbasses.

[lostalex]

How am i lying? I was talking about what a sad situation it is and the first thing you comment on is the editing of it. I just thought that was a bit strange.

And yes i say rednecks because their views are redneck by disowning their son for being gay.

Definition of redneck: Backwards. They are 100% backwards and dellutional to think they could have medically changed his sexuality if he had told them sooner and threatening the partner with violence is REDNECK/ROUGH.

Dumbasses.

really so posh people don't disavow gay children? all communities are homophobic, you are showing your own bigotry and ignorance.
You are just as bigoted as the "rednecks" you are condemning right now.

I'm done with this conversation. You are hysterical and out of control. You are not able to have a rational discussion.

You are doing MY(gay) cause no favors by behaving this way and i want no association with it(your behavior).

[arista]

The music is not good.


This is about USA Church folks.

Not here

[lostalex]

The music is not good.


This is about USA Church folks.

Not here

you are such a troll. *crosses the bridge with ipod blaring*

[Marsh.]

Redneck means a lower class white person. I'm sure there are working class homosexuals.

[Niall]

The music is not good.


This is about USA Church folks.

Not here

Oh Shutup Arista. .__.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

really so posh people don't disavow gay children? all communities are homophobic, you are showing your own bigotry and ignorance.
You are just as bigoted as the "rednecks" you are condemning right now.

I'm done with this conversation. You are hysterical and out of control. You are not able to have a rational discussion.

You are doing MY(gay) cause no favors by behaving this way and i want no association with it(your behavior).

Sorry im just passionate about this paticular issue.

Im not saying that all of cirtain cultures have the same opinion but a redneck is an insult not a race/culture issue. Im not discriminating against any race i am simply calling them redneck for their backwards views and im sure everyone else knows that redneck means DUMB or stuck with a very hold very backward or offensive views .

Be as PC as you want but i am not like that i express exactly how i feel and if you find that offensive then yeah hit ignore on my posts.

They are a disgrace.

They threatened this guys partner of over half a decade with physical violence if he turned up to the funeral to say goodbye to the love of his life so tbf on this occasion calling someone a redneck/rough/chav/backwards is 100% justified.

[lostalex]

Sorry im just passionate about this paticular issue.

Im not saying that all of cirtain cultures have the same opinion but a redneck is an insult not a race/culture issue. Im not discriminating against any race i am simply calling them redneck for their backwards views and im sure everyone else knows that redneck means DUMB or stuck with a very hold very backward or offensive views .

Be as PC as you want but i am not like that i express exactly how i feel and if you find that offensive then yeah hit ignore on my posts.

They are a disgrace.

They threatened this guys partner of over half a decade with physical violence if he turned up to the funeral to say goodbye to the love of his life so tbf on this occasion calling someone a redneck/rough/chav/backwards is 100% justified.


You keep saying "they". there is no "they". "they" is every people of every culture in every country. Homophobia is EVERYWHERE, and simplifying by blaming one sterotype is ignorant. You are doing MY cause no favours by simplifying it into blaming one group. Rich, Poor, Black, White, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Athiest, homophobia is nothing to pin down. Even the so-called "gay community" itself is guilty of homophobia! how often do we find out that the most homophobic people are gay themselves??

Think before you place your anger towards one group of people, your anger should not be directed, it should be general.

Fighting homophobia is about spreading enlightenment, not creating blame or pointing fingers.

Just say the truth. That is enough. The truth doesn't require blame, or music, or editing, or emotions. The truth is enough.

[Vicky.]

Are you seriously crtisizing production of the editing on such a sad story? This isnt about how the video was produced its about the fact he lost his long term partner.

This is about human rights and us gay men deserve exactly the same rights as anyone else, He lived with his partner for 6 years, shared a mortgage and shared a business. They were best friends and in love and he was denied to say goodbye or even find out exactly what happened from the hospital.

If this was a straight couple who had been together for over half a decade then im sure the partner would be allowed to visit the body or get some closure on what happened after such a tragedy.

You cannot assume he commited suicide either, have you ever heard of accidental death?

I would be devistated if this happened to me but no redneck family threatening me with physical violence would not keep me away from the funeral.

**** the legal system, this should be about equality, compassion and respect for anyone grieving the loss of someone they were in love with.

Its like they totally pretended he never existed and was left totally alone with no closure on his relationship.

This isnt quite true. If the family disagree...and you arent married...you can even be stopped from seeing them while still alive in hospital in hospital, nevermind the body.

I only know this because of a quite recent thing that happened with people I know. This woman I know (I refuse to call her a friend but I speak to her) has been seeing this man for 8 years or so, he recenly was taken into hospital and the family were told he only had hours left, so she went to see him, and the family refused to let her in the room. Apparently (and this came from my father in law who drove her there, not from her) he was getting really distressed when he saw her being stopped at the door and it was obvious that he WANTED her there, but the family still refused :S

Basically the family went against his wishes just to be spiteful because they didnt like the woman...even though he very obviously did.

Was the only time in my life I have ever felt sorry for her.


On topic though, I havent watched the video yet as I have no headphones and gavs watching something but I will watch it later.

[Marsh.]

Can't believe it but I actually completely agree with lostalex. :eek:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You keep saying "they". there is no "they". "they" is every people of every culture in every country. Homophobia is EVERYWHERE, and simplifying by blaming one sterotype is ignorant. You are doing MY cause no favours by simplifying it into blaming one group. Rich, Poor, Black, White, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Athiest, homophobia is nothing to pin down.

Think before you place your anger towards one group of people, your anger should not be directed, it should be general.

Fighting homophobia is about spreading enlightenment, not creating blame.

Im not saying THEY as in the whole community im saying THEY as in these paticular parents!

:rolleyes:

Read carefully.

I dont class a redneck as a group or a community i regard it as most people would as a word used to insult someone with a backwards view on life.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This isnt quite true. If the family disagree...and you arent married...you can even be stopped from seeing them while still alive in hospital in hospital, nevermind the body.

I only know this because of a quite recent thing that happened with people I know. This woman I know (I refuse to call her a friend but I speak to her) has been seeing this man for 8 years or so, he recenly was taken into hospital and the family were told he only had hours left, so she went to see him, and the family refused to let her in the room. Apparently (and this came from my father in law who drove her there, not from her) he was getting really distressed when he saw her being stopped at the door and it was obvious that he WANTED her there, but the family still refused :S

Basically the family went against his wishes just to be spiteful because they didnt like the woman...even though he very obviously did.

Was the only time in my life I have ever felt sorry for her.


On topic though, I havent watched the video yet as I have no headphones and gavs watching something but I will watch it later.

Thats awful :(

Yeah i know it happens in all cultures and sexes but i just feel like gay people are still not getting treated equally.

I never use the gay card but this is one thing i believe.

Just my opinion though.

[Vanessa]

Omg! That was so sad! I'm going to upload that to twitter. :sad:

[Marsh.]

Im not saying THEY as in the whole community im saying THEY as in these paticular parents!

:rolleyes:

Read carefully.

I dont class a redneck as a group or a community i regard it as most people would as a word used to insult someone with a backwards view on life.

So, you are referring to specific people by using a word that generalises a whole community.

Whether YOU mean the word one way or the other, it is derogatory to an entire class of people.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

So, you are referring to specific people by using a word that generalises a whole community.

Whether YOU mean the word one way or the other, it is derogatory to an entire class of people.

No i use the word "Redkneck" as an insult directed at 1 particular individuals behaviour in the same way i would call someone a d!ckhead or a pr!ck for acting the same way.

Rednecks are not a community of people lol its not like the jews or the christians have their religion and communities.

You are getting what i mean all wrong which im finding hard to understand since ive explained it 4 times now.

Im not not discriminating against a whole race or religion because redneck does not refer to a community or region anymore it has evolved to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways which clearly these 2 individuals are judging by their behaviour towards their sons sexuality.

Its not a race or a religion its an insult used against someone who are absolute tossers.

Whatever you may think i do not judge people on where they are from i judge on their behaviour unlike most members on here who call everyone a chav.

[Livia]

It is very sad, although lostalex has it right when he says that if he had made a will, things would be different. The outcome could have been the same if the couple involved were unmarried heterosexuals and one of them died intestate.

Steig Larsson, who wrote The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo died suddenly leaving his female partner Eva Gabrielsson. They never married and he never made a will and regardless of the fact they had lived together for thirty years and she'd been instrumental in helping him write his books, every penny from those books go to his brother and father and she gets nothing.

Sometimes people are just b*stards.

[Vanessa]

It is very sad, although lostalex has it right when he says that if he had made a will, things would be different. The outcome could have been the same if the couple involved were unmarried heterosexuals and one of them died intestate.

Steig Larsson, who wrote The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo died suddenly leaving his female partner Eva Gabrielsson. They never married and he never made a will and regardless of the fact they had lived together for thirty years and she'd been instrumental in helping him write his books, every penny from those books go to his brother and father and she gets nothing.

Sometimes people are just b*stards.

Really? That's so unfair! :sad:

[Marsh.]

No i use the word "Redkneck" as an insult directed at 1 particular individuals behaviour in the same way i would call someone a d!ckhead or a pr!ck for acting the same way.



Unlike d!ckhead or pr!ck, redneck has a specific group of people it is referring to. Just like if the Queen was against gay marriage would you refer to her as a redneck? No, because it wouldn't apply. The term "redneck" doesn't refer to 1 particular individuals behaviour at all.

It's like saying the term yankee refers to a particular type of American. It doesn't, it refers to an American in general.

[InOne]

10mins of soppy heart strings mush? No thanks.

[lostalex]

Unlike d!ckhead or pr!ck, redneck has a specific group of people it is referring to. Just like if the Queen was against gay marriage would you refer to her as a redneck? No, because it wouldn't apply. The term "redneck" doesn't refer to 1 particular individuals behaviour at all.

It's like saying the term yankee refers to a particular type of American. It doesn't, it refers to an American in general.

well, actually Yankee does specifically refer to Americans in the New England(north eastern) region, but i guess it's different in the British vernacular....

[Marsh.]

well, actually Yankee does specifically refer to Americans in the New England(north eastern) region, but i guess it's different in the British vernacular....

That's not the point though. The point is I couldn't then use the word "yankee" and say it's an insult I'm directing at an American person for doing something I don't like or agree with. As you said, it refers to a specific person in a specific area of the country. Same goes for "redneck".

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Oh ffs why dont you both just ****!

For the bazzilionth time my intention wasnt to discriminate against any kind of minority or community but theres allways the pc crew who have to correct and turn an important issue into something completley off topic.

We all agree that this video deserves acknowledgment so we can all as human being have equal rights (apart from InOne who doesnt seem to care so why he/she came into the thread is beyond me).

And in regards to The Queen comment i would call her a redneck as its a phrase i use in everyday life. Thats all im saying on that matter now coz its getting petty and taking away the importance of the video as a message.

So like i said share the video on Twitter/facebook ect to show your support.

[Marsh.]

Oh ffs why dont you both just ****!

My intention wasnt to discriminate against an an kind of minority or community but theres allways the pc crew who have to correct and turn an important issue into something completley off topic.

We all agree that this video deserves acknowledgment so we can all as human being have equal rights (apart from InOne who doesnt seem to care so why he/she came into the threas is beyond me).

And in regards to The Queen comment i would call her a redneck as its a phrase i use in everyday life. Thats all im saying on that matter now coz its getting petty and taking away the importance of the video as a message.

So like i said share the video on Twitter/facebook ect to show your support.


Calm down, love. It's not about being PC. It's about you taking a word and acting as though it means whatever you want it to mean when it doesn't.

Your answer to my question about the Queen shows you haven't a clue what the word actually means anyway. But by all means carry on with your "Woe for the gays" when it's been pointed out that the same may have very well happened with a heterosexual couple too.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

aww

i cant help but feel this would not be as sad if they were unattractive

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

but can somebody tell me what happens in the vid i only watched like 2 minutes i cba watching any more

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Calm down, love. It's not about being PC. It's about you taking a word and acting as though it means whatever you want it to mean when it doesn't.

Your answer to my question about the Queen shows you haven't a clue what the word actually means anyway. But by all means carry on...

In recent decades, the term redneck has expanded its meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways as ive said in a previous post.

Words change throughout time ie: Gay going from happy to homosexual.

This is how i would describe this guys parents as Bigots who wouldnt accept their son was gay and discriminated against his boyfriend by threatening him with violence, refusing him to see the body and not allowing him to attend the funeral.

Like i said in a previous post im not playing the gay card and believe all of us as human deserve the same rights.

There you go "Love".

[Marsh.]

In recent decades, the term redneck has expanded its meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways as ive said in a previous post.

This is how i would describe this guys parents as Bigots who wouldnt accept their son was gay and discriminated against his boyfriend by threatening him with violence, refusing him to see the body and not allowing him to attend the funeral.

There you go "Love".

Words change throughout time ie: Gay going from happy to homosexual.

And it's up to you to judge based on one overly sentimental youtube video played with a stock "sad" piano melody? Ok then...

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And it's up to you to judge based on one overly sentimental youtube video played with a stock "sad" piano melody? Ok then...

Your now just mocking me as it seems you've run out of things to say.

If you dont agree that this video needs to be spread to get a message accross about long term partners having rights then thats your issue but i think the video has a very strong message which will make people stand up and think.

Resorting to just chatting about the background music in the edit is just pathetic.

[Marsh.]

Your now just mocking me as it seems you've run out of things to say.

If you dont agree that this video needs to be spread to get a message accross about long term partners having rights then thats your issue but i think the video has a very strong message which will make people stand up and think.

Resorting to just chatting about the background music inb the edit is just pathetic.

I'm not mocking you, I'm giving you my opinion. Making such strong judgements based on that video is a little strange to me.

And the "music" was an apt comment I think. Who, in whatever emotional mindset, creates a youtube video like that complete with sad music trying to get attention. It baffles me.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I'm not mocking you, I'm giving you my opinion. Making such strong judgements based on that video is a little strange to me.

And the "music" was an apt comment I think. Who, in whatever emotional mindset, creates a youtube video like that complete with sad music trying to get attention. It baffles me.

Ok then, im sure 99% of people would agree that this video raises an important issue about long term couples having the same rights but for some reason you seem to be more concerned talking about the edit and the true origins of words.

Im over explaining my point now as i know i'm right in regards to that.

Thats all i have to say, go and bore someone else with your pointless attempts to bicker with forum members.

:xyxwave:

[Marsh.]

Ok then, im sure 99% of people would agree that this video raises an important issue about long term couples having rights but for some reason you seem to be more concerned talking about the edit and the true origins of words.

Im over explaining my point now as i know i'm right in regards to that.

Thats all i have to say, go and bore someone else with your pointless attempts to bicker with forum members.

:xyxwave:

BIB 1: Think whatever you want, doesn't make it 'right'.

BIB 2: I'm afraid you're the one who started with the insults. But, yes, I won't bother with your "woe for the gays" threads in future.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BIB 1: Think whatever you want, doesn't make it 'right'.

BIB 2: I'm afraid you're the one who started with the insults. But, yes, I won't bother with your "woe for the gays" threads in future.

So you're accusing me of starting threads specifically aimed at gay people being misfortunate, afflicted or victims?

Thats not what im about so be carefull what you say cause your on the verge of homophobia there.

[lostalex]

he wasn't mocking you. He honestly wants you to understand his point of view. Please don't use words like homophobia when they are not appropriate. i know what homophobia is and looks like, he is not being homophobic.

Using the word homophobic when it's not appropriate degrades the word and degrades the struggle.

[Marsh.]

So you're accusing me of starting threads specifically aimed at gay people being misfortunate, afflicted or victims?

Thats not what im about so be carefull what you say cause your on the verge of homophobia there.

Yes, that's right my views on this soppy video have exposed my homophobia.
It's that kind of attitude to it that I was referring to. :rolleyes:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

he wasn't mocking you. He honestly wants you to understand his point of view. Please don't use words like homophobia when they are not appropriate. i know what homophobia is and looks like, he is not being homophobic.

Yes i understand his point of view but he is not trying to understand mine.

Im making the point that the parents are bigots/homophobic because they didnt accept their son being gay, stopped his bf going to the funeral and threatened him with physical violence.

You dont realise that redneck can also mean bigot or someone who doesnt agree with modern views on such subjects so im correct in saying that yet constantly kept getting message after message telling me im wrong lol.

This is not what the thread was supposed to be about so i reckon we should all just move on and stick to the real issue.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Yes, that's right my views on this soppy video have exposed my homophobia.
It's that kind of attitude to it that I was referring to. :rolleyes:

Nah but your "woe for the gays" comment was out of order.

Thats insulting mate.

[Marsh.]

Nah but your "woe for the gays" comment was out of order.

Thats insulting mate.

If you found it insulting in a homophobic way then I apologise.

However, "woe is me" is in general how I refer to this kind of thing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If you found it insulting in a homophobic way then I apologise.

However, "woe is me" is in general how I refer to this kind of thing.

So exactly the same as me refferring redneck to describe a bigot/homophobic which can be used in that context.

Just killed your credibility.

And yeah you did offend.

[lostalex]

this thread is a bout a specific video, let's stick to this video. you cannot make any generalizations about anyone based on this 1 video. Losing a partner is tragic,m but this person does not speak for me as a gay man any more than he speaks for all white people as he is white.

We all mourn the loss of Tom.

[Marsh.]

So exactly the same as me refferering a redneck to describe a bigot which can be used in that context.

Just killed your credibility.

And yeah you did offend.

Completely unrelated. How on earth has that got anything to do with it. Using "redneck" in the wrong context versus using a quote "woe is me" in a the correct context. Hmmm.

If I'd used the word "red" to describe an "orange" you may have a point.

[lostalex]

you are being unreasonable now Daniel. stop trying to win. There is no winning in a thread like this.

[lostalex]

You claimed to make this thread in support of gay equality, i havn't heard anyone here disagree with that principle.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

so is nobody gonna tell me what happens then

[lostalex]

so is nobody gonna tell me what happens then

his boyfriend/fiance? died, and he wasn't allowed to the funeral.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

this thread is a bout a specific video, let's stick to this video. you cannot make any generalizations about anyone based on this 1 video. Losing a partner is tragic,m but this person does not speak for me as a gay man any more than he speaks for all white people as he is white.

We all mourn the loss of Tom.

Go back through my posts.

Ive said this a million times so yeah STICK TO THE TOPIC.

[Marsh.]

Go back through my posts.

Ive said this a million times so yeah STICK TO THE TOPIC.

We've tried to. But apparently it makes us a "homophobic redneck". Never mind.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You claimed to make this thread in support of gay equality, i havn't heard anyone here disagree with that principle.

Nah that "woe for the gays" comment was aimed at me apparently feeling discriminated against for being gay which is not the case but that is exactly what he meant.

Like i said though argument over i wont comment on this anymore as the original message is more important than petty point scoring.

[lostalex]

Nah that "woe for the gays" comment was aimed at me apparently feeling discriminated against for being gay which is not the case but that is exactly what he meant.

Like i said though argument over i wont comment on this anymore as the original message is more important than petty point scoring.

you have no idea what he meant, so stop torturing yourself with assumptions.

for some reason i don't believe you.... we'll see...

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

his boyfriend/fiance? died, and he wasn't allowed to the funeral.

omfg :sad:

how did he die

[Marsh.]

Nah that "woe for the gays" comment was aimed at me apparently feeling discriminated against for being gay which is not the case but that is exactly what he meant.

Like i said though argument over i wont comment on this anymore as the original message is more important than petty point scoring.

That is what I meant. But in no way does that make me homophobic. I'd use the same phrase for someone playing the race card or any other discriminatory card.

Bit ignore me, I must be a homophobic redneck.

[lostalex]

omfg :sad:

how did he die

the video does not make it clear, but i thought it was implying that he committed suicide.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

:sad:

im glad i didnt watch it now

[Vanessa]

:sad:

im glad i didnt watch it now

It's very sad. :bawling:

[lostalex]

:sad:

im glad i didnt watch it now

your dog looks very uncomfortable. itchy bottom.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

omfg :sad:

how did he die

Just watch the video lol you could have watched it 5 times by now!!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

effort

[daniel-lewis-1985]

That is what I meant. But in no way does that make me homophobic. I'd use the same phrase for someone playing the race card or any other discriminatory card.

Bit ignore me, I must be a homophobic redneck.

I knew thats what you meant and its really insulting to say as thats not what im about AT ALL.

I find it really offensive that you think i would play the gay card to win an argument, make someone uncomfortable or generally be vindictive with it coz thats what playing the gay card is and i hate that sh!t.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

you have no idea what he meant, so stop torturing yourself with assumptions.

for some reason i don't believe you.... we'll see...

He admitted he meant that so apology please :)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ugh the bit about the dad/uncle :bored:

[lostalex]

He admitted he meant that so apology please :)

you must be joking. i've been nothing but sensible and reasonable in this thread. You must be seriously delusional if you think it's I that owes YOU an apology.

Hold your breath until i give you apology. If God loves you, i'll give one before you die of asphyxiation. :)

(btw i'm an athiest)

[Redway]

Done it now, mate.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Done it now, mate.

Nice one :thumbs:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

you must be joking. i've been nothing but sensible and reasonable in this thread. You must be seriously delusional if you think it's I that owes YOU an apology.

Hold your breath until i give you apology. If God loves you, i'll give one before you die of asphyxiation. :)

(btw i'm an athiest)

You told me he didnt mean what i thought he did when he said "woe of the gays" but he admitted he did lol.

You were wrong, i was right....Yes im that childish.

[Marsh.]

You told me he didnt mean what i thought he did when he said "woe of the gays" but he admitted he did lol.

You were wrong, i was right....Yes im that childish.

I think everyone's aware of that.

[lostalex]

You told me he didnt mean what i thought he did when he said "woe of the gays" but he admitted he did lol.

You were wrong, i was right....Yes im that childish.

i never said any such thing, i said you were foolish for caring and worrying about it.

[Vicky.]

OK can we get back on topic now please :S

[lostalex]

OK can we get back on topic now please :S

there is no topic. watch the video and post it to your facebook, i guess that's the only acceptable action anyone can take in this thread.

Daniel seems to think any opinions or debate about the video are unacceptable.

[Marsh.]

I fail to see what this twitter/facebook campaign can do. Sounds like an exercise in futility.

[Vicky.]

there is no topic. watch the video and post it to your facebook, i guess that's the only acceptable action anyone can take in this thread.

Daniel seems to think any opinions or debate about the video are unacceptable.
well I would say the topic was to discuss the video, but I get what you are saying :p

[Redway]

Nice one :thumbs:

Sound. Don't worry about it, lad.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

o_o

[daniel-lewis-1985]

i never said any such thing, i said you were foolish for caring and worrying about it.

"you have no idea what he meant"

That is what you said after i said i knew what he meant and found it offensive, He then admitted that it was meant in the way i took it.

OK?

And you saying me thinking making comments on the video is unnaceptable is complete bullsh!t.

So the whole point of the video as Marsh just asked again is to spread word about all people having equal rights, its pretty self explanatory really if you read through the thread.

Getting more views for this video will raise more awareness.

Simples.

[Marsh.]

Which won't work IMO. Not a strong enough case to warrant big enough attention to make any difference.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Which won't work IMO. Not a strong enough case to warrant big enough attention to make any difference.

It made a pretty big impression on me as it has online with millions of hits.

I dont see how you think that wouldnt raise awareness?

[Marsh.]

It made a pretty big impression on me as it has online with millions of hits.

I dont see how you think that wouldnt raise awareness?

I don't see how you think that it would. What precisely do you hope comes from this video? That it becomes illegal for families to ban people from a funeral?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't see how you think that it would. What precisely do you hope comes from this video? That it becomes illegal for families to ban people from a funeral?

Ofcourse not.

You're being ridiculous and you know you are its obvious what i hope the video will achieve as ive said about 10 times now mate.

Can you please just read through the thread so i dont have to repeat myself over and over and over and over.

[Jords]

Very sad :(

I never knew how important Will's were and the legal side of not having one until this thead.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Very sad :(

I never knew how important Will's were and the legal side of not having one until this thead.

I honestly didnt know that i would have no rights if this ever happened to me.

Such a complicated issue.

The fact you have to legalise your relationship to have any sort of acknowledgment of how special you were to someone is crazy.

[Marsh.]

Ofcourse not.

You're being ridiculous and you know you are its obvious what i hope the video will achieve as ive said about 10 times now mate.

Can you please just read through the thread so i dont have to repeat myself over and over and over and over.

I'm not being ridiculous. And no you haven't. If it's about wills and unmarried partners rights then this is not exclusively about "Gay rights".

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I'm not being ridiculous. And no you haven't. If it's about wills and unmarried partners rights then this is not exclusively about "Gay rights".

So you honestly dont know why i posted this video?

[Marsh.]

So you honestly dont know why i posted this video?

Considering you keep dodging the question, yes, I'm still at a loss as to what exactly you expect a twitter campaign to achieve. From what I have read in the thread until this point; any credible points are about rights for people in general rather than exclusively "gay" rights.

[Me. I Am Salman]

This is awful, but it's Kony 2012 all over again, so I doubt much change will be achieved from just sharing this video on Twitter.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Considering you keep dodging the question, yes, I'm still at a loss as to what exactly you expect a twitter campaign to achieve. From what I have read in the thread until this point; any credible points are about rights for people in general rather than exclusively "gay" rights.

So you have gone from saying im playing the gay card to now complaining that im not focusing directly on gay people as stated in the title?

Its a serious thread trying to spread acknowledgment of how people can still suffer prejudice for being different and not being seen as relevant in the eyes of the law even after being partners for over half a decade.

Im honestly getting deja vu now.

I have said all of this before so you either have **** in your eyes or you need to go to specsavers.

I give up on you please just p!ss off and stop trolling.

[thesheriff443]

iv got nothing against gays but that was complete rubbish

[daniel-lewis-1985]

iv got nothing against gays but that was complete rubbish

How so?

[Marsh.]

So you have gone from saying im playing the gay card to now complaining that im not focusing directly on gay people as stated in the title?

Its a serious thread trying to spread acknowledgment of how people can still suffer prejudice for being different and not being seen as relevant in the eyes of the law even after being partners for over half a decade.

Im honestly getting deja vu now.

I have said all of this before so you either have **** in your eyes or you need to go to specsavers.

I give up on you please just p!ss off and stop trolling.

I'm saying I fail to see where "gay" comes into it. You've made a huge deal about gay rights and I'm asking what exactly you hope to achieve for gay people with this campaign?
The issues raised in the thread pertain to heterosexual couples too, not just gays.
I'm not complaining you're not using focusing on gays, I'm complaining that you are. Because the issues raised aren't exclusive to gay people. Which I've said half a dozen times too.

I'm not trolling, and stop telling me to p!ss off when I have every right to post in these threads and add my opinion.

[thesheriff443]

while i was watching it i was thinking is it actors playing the parts
i wanted to know how and why he died,
it would have left a bigger impact on me if it was just the guy speaking to the camera
from start to finish showing some photos and explaining the situation.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I'm saying I fail to see where "gay" comes into it. You've made a huge deal about gay rights and I'm asking what exactly you hope to achieve for gay people with this campaign?
The issues raised in the thread pertain to heterosexual couples too, not just gays.
I'm not complaining you're not using focusing on gays, I'm complaining that you are. Because the issues raised aren't exclusive to gay people. Which I've said half a dozen times too.

I'm not trolling, and stop telling me to p!ss off when I have every right to post in these threads and add my opinion.

GAY comes into it because the video is about 2 gay men obviously and im talking about hetrosexual couples as they can also suffer the same issues.

Do you finally understand?

Thats why i was so offended when you said i was playing the gay card when i obviously wasnt.

[Marsh.]

while i was watching it i was thinking is it actors playing the parts
i wanted to know how and why he died,
it would have left a bigger impact on me if it was just the guy speaking to the camera
from start to finish showing some photos and explaining the situation.

Completely agree. The melodrama of the music and everything else just felt so forced and self pitying. Throws you at a distance straight away.

[Marsh.]

GAY comes into it because the video is about 2 gay men obviously and im talking about hetrosexual couples as they can also suffer the same issues.

Do you finally understand?

Thats why i was so offended when you said i was playing the gay card when i obviously wasn't.

Then this is where my confusion comes from, the title of this thread heads:
"Gay rights video"

If you were discussing these issues in general then the fact that this couple was gay is pretty irrelevant. That has been the point of me questioning what you were getting at because you claim to not be playing the gay card.
There's contradiction in what you're saying.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Then this is where my confusion comes from, the title of this thread heads:
"Gay rights video"

If you were discussing these issues in general then the fact that this couple was gay is pretty irrelevant. That has been the point of me questioning what you were getting at because you claim to not be playing the gay card.
There's contradiction in what you're saying.

Ah mate just **** off.

[Marsh.]

Ah mate just **** off.

Excuse me? Is that what happens, you have a big old strop because you've realised you're not making any sense? Good to know.

Yet, I'm accused of being the rude one.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Excuse me? Is that what happens, you have a big old strop because you've realised you're not making any sense? Good to know.

Nah im just sick of you.

The thread was directed at gay rights because of the video but obviously the same rights can apply to hetrosexuals.

Simple as that.

I looked at things from both sides and you wanted to see things as black and white and pick holes in every little thing i said from sarcasticaly correcting punctuation in quotes to even arguing on the meaning of a word ffs.

Its a complicated issue and you're just trying to generalise it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

calm down mate its alrite lad

[Marsh.]

Nah im just sick of you.

The thread was directed at gay rights because of the video but obviously the same rights can apply to hetrosexuals.

Simple as that.

I looked at things from both sides and you wanted to see things as black and white and pick holes in every little thing i said from sarcasticaly correcting punctuation in quotes to even arguing on the meaning of a word ffs.

Its a complicated issue and you're just trying to generalise it.

It's called having a discussion. You seem incapable.

BIB 1: Which I queried you on. About the issues and what you hoped to change, you just accused me of homophobia and were rude whilst not providing an answer. Do you want to just make a bunch of angry posts and statements and not have anyone question them?

I made statements, you questioned me and I answered them and expanded on my opinion. The least I expected was the same in return but all I've gotten is hostility.

BIB 2: Corrected punctuation? What?
Arguing the meaning of a word was valid when referring to people. Like calling a man a "toff" because you don't like him, when it specifically refers to rich and upperclass people.

BIB 3: In what way am I doing that? You're making it all about the gays, and I questioned why, when the issue goes beyond them?

I fully expect a reply telling me to **** off, but I'm genuinely trying to discuss the topic at hand here. If you can't handle a debate/discussion then might I suggest you not open another thread.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It's called having a discussion. You seem incapable.

BIB 1: Which I queried you on. About the issues and what you hoped to change, you just accused me of homophobia and were rude whilst not providing an answer. Do you want to just make a bunch of angry posts and statements and not have anyone question them?

I made statements, you questioned me and I answered them and expanded on my opinion. The least I expected was the same in return but all I've gotten is hostility.

BIB 2: Corrected punctuation? What?
Arguing the meaning of a word was valid when referring to people. Like calling a man a "toff" because you don't like him, when it specifically refers to rich and upperclass people.

BIB 3: In what way am I doing that? You're making it all about the gays, and I questioned why, when the issue goes beyond them?

I fully expect a reply telling me to **** off, but I'm genuinely trying to discuss the topic at hand here. If you can't handle a debate/discussion then might I suggest you not open another thread.

You quote me as saying The thread was directed at gay rights But failed to aclnowledge what i said in the exact same sentence which was the same rights can apply to hetrosexuals.


You're picking and choosing and twisting my posts to create an argument thats not there.

I honestly think you may have been starved of oxygen at birth. How many times have i stated now that this wasnt just about gay men but was also in relation to hetrosexuals.

Ive said on numerous occasions its human rights not just gay rights.

Now please **** off as im about to cry at the last episode of Desperate Housewives (Ooh how gay).

[Marsh.]

I honestly think you may have been starved of oxygen at birth. How many times have i stated now that this wasnt just about gay men but was also in relation to hetrosexuals.

Ive said on numerous occasions its human rights not just gay rights.

Now please **** off as im about to cry at the last episode of Desperate Housewives (Ooh how gay).

And I've responded plenty times with this final question:

If you're not just talking about gays and you're not playing the gay card then why are you banging on about gay rights? The sexuality is irrelevant to the issue. You started the thread off with "Gay rights".

Edit - You've edited your post.
Off you go again with the insults. Does it honestly make you feel "right" or clever to throw out these words?

I'm not picking and choosing quotes. I highlighted the gay rights aspect of your sentence because the gay rights part is what I've been querying all along, it's the part I'm actually asking about which you seem to be avoiding and never actually addressing.

I've spelt it out hundred times and yet I'm the troll, I'm the homophobe, I was starved of oxygen at birth, I need to p!ss off.

As I said above, if you don't like discussing your opinions I wouldn't bother opening anymore discussion threads on a forum.

P.s. The final episode is absolute tosh.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And I've responded plenty times with this final question:

If you're not just talking about gays and you're not playing the gay card then why are you banging on about gay rights? The sexuality is irrelevant to the issue. You started the thread off with "Gay rights".

WTF does it matter?!

Why does it affect you so much, yes in the title it says gay rights due to the content of the video but every human male, female, hom, hetro should not be treated how this man was. Just give it a rest.

You quote me as saying The thread was directed at gay rights But failed to aclnowledge what i said in the exact same sentence which was the same rights can apply to hetrosexuals.


You're picking and choosing and twisting my posts to create an argument thats not there.

I honestly think you may have been starved of oxygen at birth. How many times have i stated now that this wasnt just about gay men but was also in relation to hetrosexuals.

Ive said on numerous occasions its human rights not just gay rights.

Now please **** off as im about to cry at the last episode of Desperate Housewives (Ooh how gay).

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And I've responded plenty times with this final question:

If you're not just talking about gays and you're not playing the gay card then why are you banging on about gay rights? The sexuality is irrelevant to the issue. You started the thread off with "Gay rights".

Edit - You've edited your post.
Off you go again with the insults. Does it honestly make you feel "right" or clever to throw out these words?

I'm not picking and choosing quotes. I highlighted the gay rights aspect of your sentence because the gay rights part is what I've been querying all along, it's the part I'm actually asking about which you seem to be avoiding and never actually addressing.

I've spelt it out hundred times and yet I'm the troll, I'm the homophobe, I was starved of oxygen at birth, I need to p!ss off.

As I said above, if you don't like discussing your opinions I wouldn't bother opening anymore discussion threads on a forum.

P.s. The final episode is absolute tosh.

I honestly dont see why you are so offended that i put gay rights in the title (this is not me calling you a homophobe you are assuming that). Now just because i did that can i not also talk about hetrosexuals in the same thread as a fair comparison?

You're a ****ing moron mate.

[Marsh.]

I honestly dont see why you are so offended that i put gay rights in the title (this is not me calling you a homophobe you are assuming that). Now just because i did that can i not also talk about hetrosexuals in the same thread as a fair comparison?

You're a ****ing moron mate.

I'm not bothering with your post above because it seems to be a repost of your last one. :conf:

But I'm not offended by it at all. Initially I questioned why you were talking about gay rights, when the issue itself isn't especially concerned with homosexuals over anything else.

This would have been resolved ages ago if you'd only answered my question instead of bombarding me with insults.

I never assumed you were calling me a homophobe. I took that from further up the thread when you actually called me one.

****ing moron?
And on we go with the tired old insult you keep doling out.

Telling a forum member to **** off doesn't automatically solve everything. Very childish strop you're throwing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I'm not bothering with your post above because it seems to be a repost of your last one. :conf:

But I'm not offended by it at all. Initially I questioned why you were talking about gay rights, when the issue itself isn't especially concerned with homosexuals over anything else.

This would have been resolved ages ago if you'd only answered my question instead of bombarding me with insults.

I never assumed you were calling me a homophobe. I took that from further up the thread when you actually called me one.

****ing moron?
And on we go with the tired old insult you keep doling out.

Telling a forum member to **** off doesn't automatically solve everything. Very childish strop you're throwing.

I did

Page 2 of this thread ike i said in a previous post im not playing the gay card and believe all of us as human deserve the same rights.


Whos the better person here.? Someone who genuinely cares about the rights of a human being and therefor felt the need to highlight that such devastating things are going on in regards to couples without wills or someone (you) picking apart a thread on a forum?

Yes it says gay rights in the title but as the thread progressed VIcky pointed out the fact that it also happens to hetrosexual couples to which i acknowledged and the thread progressed from there and somehow your brain couldnt understand why i was talking about hetrosexuals in a title that says GAY RIGHTS.

Its called comparing all situations and sexualities to sum up a fair point of view.

[Marsh.]

I did

Page 2 of this thread ike i said in a previous post im not playing the gay card and believe all of us as human deserve the same rights.


Whos the better person here.? Someone who genuinely cares about the rights of a human being and therefor felt the need to highlight that such devastating things are going on in regards to couples without wills or someone (you) picking apart a thread on a forum?

BIB 1: I accepted you aren't playing the "gay card" and I never suggested you didn't believe in all humans having the same rights, however you still haven't answered my questions. But you haven't bothered so far, so I give up.

BIB 2: :joker: You really are one hell of a big joke. Gone off on another tangent. And yet I'm the one starved of oxygen? I won't point out the huge contradictions you've come out with again because you're no closer to actually addressing them or answering my question.

Here's hoping you've learnt your lesson for your next "discussion" thread.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

BIB 1: I accepted you aren't playing the "gay card" and I never suggested you didn't believe in all humans having the same rights, however you still haven't answered my questions. But you haven't bothered so far, so I give up.

BIB 2: :joker: You really are one hell of a big joke. Gone off on another tangent. And yet I'm the one starved of oxygen? I won't point out the huge contradictions you've come out with again because you're no closer to actually addressing them or answering my question.

Here's hoping you've learnt your lesson for your next "discussion" thread.

I did answer your question...Over and over.

Are you touching cloth?

[Marsh.]

and somehow your brain couldnt understand why i was talking about hetrosexuals in a title that says GAY RIGHTS.

Its called comparing all situations and sexualities to sum up a fair point of view.

Couldn't understand? I wasn't questioning WHY you were discussing heterosexuals. I was questioning why you made it all about gay issues. But whatever, you seemed to have cottoned onto the fact that you don't make any sense whatsoever when you went off on a "****" and "p!ss" tantrum.

Maybe a lesson for next time.