View Full Version : 33 Coalition climbdowns, u-turns and row backs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9296682/Coalition-climbdowns-u-turns-and-row-backs.html
Margaret Thatcher once made a virtue of her refusal to climb down when she said "the lady's not for turning", but as her successors in the Coalition announce their latest volte-face, hear is the full list of government u-turns:
1. Destruction of buzzard nests
2. Pasty tax
3. Caravan tax
4. Secret justice
5. Euro veto
6. Employment law reform
7. Joint strike fighter
8. Sentencing
9. Health reforms
10. Forest sell-off
11. State retirement age for women
12. Anonymity for rape defendants
13. Personal photographer on public payroll
14. Free school milk cuts
15. Bookstart funding
16. Financial Inclusion Fund
17. Housing benefit cut for jobless
18. Immigration pledge
19. Coastguard cuts
20. Circus animals ban
21. World Service cuts
22. Mobility benefit cut
23. Youth Justice Board
24. Chief coroner
25. Knife crime sentencing
26. Domestic violence protection orders
27. Ofsted snap school inspections
28. Child benefit
29. Video games tax relief
30. NHS targets
31. Plans to recall MPs
32. Charity Tax
Totally vacillating ..... :idc:
Kizzy
03-06-2012, 11:45 AM
They make me sick, I can't believe they get away with it...We are bombarded with spin so we can't see what's going on right under our noses :(
They make me sick, I can't believe they get away with it...We are bombarded with spin so we can't see what's going on right under our noses :(
Yeah, the Tories certainly first-class obfuscaters ..... :pipe:
Livia
03-06-2012, 03:34 PM
Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.
Kizzy
03-06-2012, 03:46 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/03/cameron-budget-errors-uturns
Mistakes in the budget had left the government "ploughing into a brick wall", the prime minister has admitted as he defended successive U-turns, but he insisted the government overall was showing "resolve, strength and grit".
well we can quote the guardian all we like, doe's not make it right.... imo.
resolve, strength and grit?....delusional ....
Better a rethink and a u turn.
Not just "a" u-turn, but 32 costly turn-arounds - the pasty-tax, and many of the others, was clearly not thought through - with most of the world at war, either with others or amongst themselves, and the global economy in primary economic meltdown, the government should not be wasting time and money on bashing then un-bashing small businesses, charities and grannies ..... :nono:
Shaun
03-06-2012, 04:01 PM
legislative process in "not that straightforward" shocker
arista
03-06-2012, 04:20 PM
Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.
Bang On Right
Kazanne
03-06-2012, 04:30 PM
At least it shows that they listen to people and not plough on regardless,better some uturns than a government that does just what IT wants and lands us in deep economical ****e!good comment from Livia there if Blair had listened to us many people would still be alive and not facing these war zones.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/07/david-cameron-big-society-cuts-distrust
David Cameron's flagship "big society" project is at risk of being derailed by savage cuts to grassroots voluntary groups and a collapse in trust among the very people the government expected to deliver its vision, according to an independent audit of the first two years of the initiative.
The report concludes that the so-called "big society" lacks a clear vision and strategy and is in danger of becoming "an initiative for the leafy suburbs", despite the prime minister's championing of a policy he described at its Downing street launch in 2010 as something he hoped would be "one of the great legacies" of his government.
What he giveth with one hand, he taketh away with the other (and hopes you don't notice) ..... :rolleyes:
At least it shows that they listen to people and not plough on regardless,better some uturns than a government that does just what IT wants and lands us in deep economical ****e!good comment from Livia there if Blair had listened to us many people would still be alive and not facing these war zones.
What Party took us to the Falklands, which cost the UK 255 men, six ships (ten others suffered varying degrees of battle damage), 34 aircraft and £2.778 billion?
arista
03-06-2012, 04:43 PM
What Party took us to the Falklands, which cost the UK 255 men, six ships (ten others suffered varying degrees of battle damage), 34 aircraft and £2.778 billion?
No Omah
The Falklands was Invaded
Blair with Bush Invaded Iraq using a falsehood
he is a Fecking War Criminal.
Livia
03-06-2012, 05:17 PM
The Falkland Islands, populated by people who have expressed a wish to remain British, was invaded. That's not the same in any way to our involvement in Iraq. The majority of the British public supported the Falklands campaign, not so with Iraq. In any case, that's a whole different argument.
The Falkland Islands, populated by people who have expressed a wish to remain British, was invaded. That's not the same in any way to our involvement in Iraq. The majority of the British public supported the Falklands campaign, not so with Iraq. In any case, that's a whole different argument.
Who brought Blair and the war with Iraq into the thread?
That's a whole different argument, too ?
Re the Falklands - Thatcher let the Islands be invaded ..... conflict could be have been avoided, or at least deferred, but Thatcher wanted a war to boost her popularity. That's a whole different arguement, too.
Meanwhile, this Tory government's obfuscation and vacillation continue while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Expect more lies, deals and smokescreens in the coming weeks.
arista
03-06-2012, 05:44 PM
"Thatcher let the Islands be invaded "
Omah stop talking Rubbish.
It was invaded
we had no way of knowing it was going to be invaded.
"Thatcher let the Islands be invaded "
Omah stop talking Rubbish.
It was invaded
we had no way of knowing it was going to be invaded.
Oh yes we did :
1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN.
1977 Group of Argentinian sailors landed on Morrell, South Sandwich Islands for 'scientific research'.
Autumn 1977 Argentine naval manouvers alarm British. Callaghan responds with two frigates and an SSN; Argentine activities subside.
In 1981, Argentina saw inflation climb to over 600%, and GDP fall by 11.4%, manufacturing output by 22.9% and real wages by 19.2%. The trades unions were gaining more support for a general strike every day and the popular opposition to the Junta was growing rapidly.
President Galtieri, as head of the military government, aimed to counter public concern over economic and human rights issues by means of a speedy victory over the Falklands which would appeal to popular nationalistic sentiment. Argentine intelligence officers had been working with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to help fund the Contras in Nicaragua, and the Argentine government believed it might be rewarded for this activity by non-interference on the part of the United States if it invaded the Falklands. The Argentine leadership had noticed that during the Suez crisis 1956 the USA had objected to the British use of force, that in 1981 the UK reached agreement with the former colony Rhodesia and that 1961 Indian Annexation of Goa was initially condemned by the international community and then accepted as a fait accompli.
Argentina exerted pressure at the United Nations by raising subtle hints of a possible invasion, but the British either missed or ignored this threat and did not react. The Argentines assumed that the British would not use force if the islands were invaded.
According to British sources, the Argentines interpreted the failure of the British to react as a lack of interest in the Falklands due to the planned withdrawal (as part of a general reduction in size of the Royal Navy in 1981) of the last of the Antarctic Supply vessels, HMS Endurance, and by the British Nationality Act of 1981, which replaced the full British citizenship of Falkland Islanders with a more limited version.
24/1/82 Consideration of Junta's plans to recapture islands first revealed in a series of articles in La Prensa newspaper.
3/3/82 PM Thatcher urges preparation of contingency plans in case of increased Argentine hostility towards islands.
19/3/82 Davidoff's party of scrap metal workers lands on South Georgia: Britain issues formal protest
25/3/82 Situation on South Georgia escalates with the arrival of armed personnel in military uniform from Argentine ship Bahia Paraiso.
26/3/82 The Junta decides on military action. The British Ministry of Defence advises against a military response and reminds Lord Carrington of withdrawal of HMS Endurance.
arista
03-06-2012, 06:32 PM
"1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN"
Yes but that Nazi
never had that Island.
It was the Spanish that Owned it
and sold it.
You are crazy.
"1973 Peronist government returns in Argentina and renews claim of sovereignty at UN"
Yes but that Nazi
never had that Island.
It was the Spanish that Owned it
and sold it.
You are crazy.
You are taking this thread way off topic with your irrelevant assertions and unwarranted insults.
arista
03-06-2012, 06:43 PM
You are taking this thread way off topic with your irrelevant assertions and unwarranted insults.
I do not mean to insult you.
But on The Falklands
we will never agree.
So I agree to
drop it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2153499/Callow-ministers-government-U-turn-Why-Mr-Cameron-Britain-desperately-needs-talent-top.html#ixzz1wm0YQyJA
Even those with low expectations of this Government have been shocked by the shambles it has become in recent days.
Three significant U-turns on the Budget would have been bad enough: but other developments have exposed a Government with no coherent direction, exhibiting almost universally poor judgment, and swimming increasingly out of its depth.
It is hard to decide which minister’s reputation is now the most tattered.
George Osborne, the Chancellor, was supposed to be his party’s, and the Coalition’s, master strategist. But any pretence of strategy has been shattered now that his Budget lies in ruins only ten weeks after its delivery.
It has suffered an unprecedented number of U-turns which have contributed to a total of about 35 such reversals across all government departments since the Coalition took office.
Harsh, but fair ..... :pipe:
Kizzy
03-06-2012, 10:57 PM
The phrase 'plough on' has been done to death too.... To me it has come to symbolise 'bumble on and hope nobody notices we don't have a fecking clue'
They are a complete sell out!
murdock and beecroft .....they are the puppet masters , have been for a long time.
The phrase 'plough on' has been done to death too.... To me it has come to symbolise 'bumble on and hope nobody notices we don't have a fecking clue'
Exactly ..... :thumbs:
Government postpones planned 3p fuel duty
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18588855
The government has announced it will postpone its 3p-a-litre rise in fuel duty in August until January next year.
The move follows a campaign by road users' groups, who argued the increase would damage the economy.
Fuel duty will be frozen for the rest of the year, Chancellor George Osborne told MPs, adding that this would benefit families and businesses.
Labour, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and MPs from other parties had threatened to force a Commons vote on the issue.
The Sun newspaper and several Conservative MPs have also been pushing for a change of heart, amid concerns that prices at the pumps are squeezing living standards.
In last year's Autumn Statement Mr Osborne cancelled a scheduled 3p rise in fuel duty for January this year but said another planned rise this August would proceed - although it would be cut from 5p to 3p.
A Downing Street spokesman said the issue had not been discussed at Tuesday's cabinet meeting, adding that it had been "under consideration" for some time.
Last week Prime Minister David Cameron said the planned duty rise would be "looked at", but held out little hope for a delay, saying: "I think people sitting at home know that the government doesn't have a bottomless pit of money."
Clueless Cameron really ought to spend more time on the job and find out what his minions are up to - making rash and unsustainable commitments is the trademark of this incompetent Tory government ..... :idc:
arista
26-06-2012, 05:05 PM
Yes Great News
Far better than Former Unelected PM Brown.
They take note of the public
and change the plans.
Far better than the Mess of 13 years of New Labour
arista
26-06-2012, 05:07 PM
Better a rethink and a u turn than to plough ahead with something regardless. If Blair had taken on board public opinion over the war in Iraq and done a u turn it might have shown some strength of character, rather than an obstinate disregard for the people who elected him.
Bang On Right
Kazanne
26-06-2012, 05:34 PM
So people are now NOT happy because they have knocked some OFF fuel prices :joker::joker::joker: just proves whatever they do some will find fault with it
So people are now NOT happy because they have knocked some OFF fuel prices :joker::joker::joker: just proves whatever they do some will find fault with it
The question is ..... why was it government policy in the first place ?
The Tory Government's financial strategy seems to be devised by middle-class 2nd year 'A' Level Economics students who have Conservative Party membership and a sinecure in business or at Westminster in mind ..... :rolleyes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18608133
The PM has denied George Osborne had been "hiding" after he announced he was delaying a rise in fuel duty.
It follows Tory MP Nadine Dorries' accusation the chancellor was a "coward" for letting junior minister Chloe Smith's face a Newsnight grilling over the policy change instead of him.
Speaking during PMQs, Mr Cameron said far from "hiding away" Mr Osborne came to the Commons to defend the policy.
It is reported ministers were unaware of the fuel duty move beforehand.
Nadine Dorries, who has spoken out against Mr Osborne in the past, tweeted that Ms Smith "did not deserve" to face such an interview, adding that if he had sent her on "he is a coward as well as arrogant".
Her comments were repeated at Prime Minister's Questions by Labour leader Ed Miliband.
"Skulker" Osborne leaves it to a lady ..... :rolleyes:
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