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arista
10-06-2012, 05:30 PM
Also on Ch5HD


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/08/article-2156677-1384D4CB000005DC-576_306x397.jpg



QOTD: will Becca pass her task
or will she be up for eviction?

Kizzy
10-06-2012, 05:32 PM
I say she will pass, being new and still a bit of a novelty.

Marcus.
10-06-2012, 05:33 PM
i hopefull say pass

arista
10-06-2012, 05:36 PM
I say she will pass, being new and still a bit of a novelty.



I'd say 50/50 chance
as she has upset some

joeysteele
10-06-2012, 06:15 PM
I doubt very much speaking for myself,if I was in the house that asked who my favourite housemate was that I would answer it being someone who had just come into the house a couple of nights before when I had been with the others since first going into the house.

I would certainly have decided if I liked her at this moment but not to name her as my favourite overall housemate as there must be others I felt closer to.
I think she will pass though, simply because she only needs one housemate to name her as their favourite, it should have been at least 2 had to say she was for me.

However, i would like to see her not pass,I don't really like these immunity chances unless everyone gets the chance to be immune.

Jamie.
10-06-2012, 06:20 PM
I think she will pass. Hopefully

arista
10-06-2012, 07:41 PM
On Ch5 and Ch5HD in 20mins

thesheriff443
10-06-2012, 07:50 PM
does any one else not like it when housemates talk to the camera?

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 07:56 PM
Here we go. First chance I've had to tune into this thread. Hope tonights episode is as good as last nights! :)

Jords
10-06-2012, 07:58 PM
:pipe:

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 07:59 PM
Channel 5 really take the piss with their ad breaks. :p

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:01 PM
More arguments:D

arista
10-06-2012, 08:01 PM
On Ch5HD now



"The Cracks Are Showing"

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:01 PM
Ooh, looks like another dramatic night! :)

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:01 PM
I'm excited for tonight!

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Luke S looks nice this morning :amazed:

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:02 PM
I like that this isn't really a montage just scenes to music. But that ****ing flashback isn't needed. :p

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:02 PM
I'm hoping Chris doesn't start shouting at people again for no reason.

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Actually, I do. I like a good argument.

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Luke S looks nice this morning :amazed:

Totally agree :love:

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
He's already shouting the odds. :D

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
Gonna be a good show!

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
Caroline & Scott are having a floss :lovedup:

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
The arguments are earlier than usual lol its not even a week yet lol

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
Honestly they are so amazing

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Caroline and Scott :love:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Ashleigh:sleep::sleep:

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Luke A got a line in today's episode. That'll be it for the series.

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
split them up before the romance starts! :idc:

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Somebody give Adam a haircut pls.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Ashleigh looks like a mixture of Katie Waissell and Katherine Kelly. :p

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Totally agree :love:

he should roam around in his boxers more tbh

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:05 PM
Luke A got a line in today's episode. That'll be it for the series.

who's Luke A?

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:05 PM
Luke A got a line in today's episode. That'll be it for the series.

Oh of course. I write something, get proved wrong, then TiBB freezes as I post it ffs :bored:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:06 PM
I wonder if Benedict sleeps naked! :hello:

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:06 PM
Good to know. :p

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:06 PM
I've seen Benedict's cock. It's nice.

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:06 PM
Ergh D:

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:06 PM
There will be no love for you Chris, thats for sure!

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
Deana :worship:

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
Oh, shut up already Rebecca

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
Lisa Reilly to the diary room please. Eugh!

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
"Is your dad a baker because you've got nice buns?" lmfao

Andrew.
10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
'I cant get through every bugger can i now' :love:

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:09 PM
**** off Becky you awful mess.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:09 PM
Deana airtime:love:

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:10 PM
Deana has been boring so far.

rk3388
10-06-2012, 08:10 PM
Deana has been boring so far.

:idc:

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:10 PM
Deana has been boring so far.

you've been boring so far :idc:

Black Dagger
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
**** off Becky you awful mess.

This.

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Deana has been boring so far.

how very dare you

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar5970_29.gif

Pronshi
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Come on!! Can all this hate for Becky stop.
I'm sure you guys will warm up to her.
She seems like a bundle of energy :D

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Impossible to call anyone boring when we barely even see half the house in a highlight show.

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Rebecca... It's as if Peter Kay's bulked up, gone into drag and completely lost his sense of humour.

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:11 PM
you've been boring so far :idc:

nice come back slut

Black Dagger
10-06-2012, 08:12 PM
Come on!! Can all this hate for Becky stop.
I'm sure you guys will warm up to her.
She seems like a bundle of energy :D

She's the type of house-mate I despise, so I doubt it very much, I give her credit for adding something to the series, but I don't like her.

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:12 PM
Impossible to call anyone boring when we barely even see half the house in a highlight show.

She hasn't been featured, so she's been boring.

I don't hate on her, I actually like her.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:14 PM
She hasn't been featured, so she's been boring.

I don't hate on her, I actually like her.

Trusting the producers to always know what's entertaining <<<

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:15 PM
Scott boring poor Lydia to death.

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:15 PM
I do love Lydia

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Scott boring poor Lydia to death.

scott's amazing :rolleyes:

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Becky is being herself?! ROFL!

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:17 PM
Feeling bad for Deana, finally thinks she has a friend :joker:

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:17 PM
becky is so creepy

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:17 PM
I hate it when they say "up for nomination".

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:18 PM
Becky wont be able to keep her cheery self up

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:18 PM
Conor basically said the others were entertaining and he did **** all so he was guaranteed to stay..

Pronshi
10-06-2012, 08:19 PM
We need a gif of chris sniffing his arm pit
eww :nono:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:19 PM
Arron and that ****ing onesie... :nono:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:20 PM
Lydia watching like a hawk:laugh:

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:20 PM
Arron and that ****ing onesie... :nono:

So wrong...

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:20 PM
Arron and that ****ing onesie... :nono:

It's glorious.

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:20 PM
sausage gate lol

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:21 PM
Yay Lydia going nuts again!

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:21 PM
Luke Marsden ‏@LukeMarsden

Does Chris look as though he needs more sausages?! #bbuk

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:22 PM
Stupid hashtags

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:22 PM
"#sausagegate", piss off.

andy191
10-06-2012, 08:22 PM
What's with all the # gates

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:22 PM
She'd slap Arron with a sausage if they wasn't rationed

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:22 PM
Caroline's over-exaggerated laugh was hilarious.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:23 PM
Warming to Deana. Shame she'll be buddying up with Rebecca.

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:23 PM
What does this competition have to do with Big Brother? It's a great prize though.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:23 PM
Ooh, not just bitching. Sneaky bitching! :D

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:23 PM
Sorry, I know it's random, how do I make the link in my sig an image? Cheers!

andy191
10-06-2012, 08:24 PM
You don't even have to answer a question in the competition!

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:25 PM
Sorry, I know it's random, how do I make the link in my sig an image? Cheers!

Make sure the link isn't shortened and it's the full URL.

Jords
10-06-2012, 08:25 PM
When Lauren said she doesnt do red sauce or peas, and Scott turned around and went 'oh gawwwwd' its exactly what Id do :laugh3:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:25 PM
Got it! Thanks!

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:26 PM
These arguments are petty, last night's was worse and didn't get named...

#sausagegate is so stupid. It's doesn't deserve a name.

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:26 PM
When Lauren said she doesnt do red sauce or peas, and Scott turned around and went 'oh gawwwwd' its exactly what Id do :laugh3:

I love Scott, we are really similar!

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:27 PM
I actually like the #sausagegate made me Lol! :p

andy191
10-06-2012, 08:28 PM
Ooh Aaron pointing with the knife :joker:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:28 PM
I really like Lauren, I feel really bad for her :/

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:28 PM
nice one Lauren.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:29 PM
****ing flashback. WE JUST WATCHED THIS! WTF! :joker:

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:29 PM
I actually hate Arron, he's in a one-sie... twat

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:29 PM
haha, why is Lydia buddying up with Deana now? She was bitching about her earlier.

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:29 PM
These two :worship:

Firewire
10-06-2012, 08:29 PM
**** off Marcus

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Stop editing and narrating stupidly when it is not necessary. :nono:

arista
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Those girls need a Shagg

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Why does Lauren's voice sound so low, it didn't sound like that in her YouTube audition

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
:bored:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Conor:sleep:

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:30 PM
I actually love Lauren, shes so down to earth

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Arron and his onesie is like Laura(bb8) and her leopard print robe :yuk:.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Hate the "lads"

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:31 PM
I really don;t want Lauren to go early

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Ah, I have the shirt connors wearing!

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Arron and his onesie is like Laura(bb8) and her leopard print robe :yuk:.

:joker:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Is it just me who loves Laurens voice.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Urgh, please stop going on about everybody playing a game.

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:32 PM
I actually love Lauren, shes so down to earth


me too

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Arron and his onesie is like Laura(bb8) and her leopard print robe :yuk:.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Reckon Lydia is safe this week...

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Luke is getting the last laugh in his argument with Chris he's very tactile. :D

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Nominations discussion :bored:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Piss off dullard conor.. :sleep:

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Lydia getting herself safe :pipe:

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm going to get bored if most of the discussion now is to do with this constantly.

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Legendary Lydia doing herself wonders right there...

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Damn does Kylie have a set of plums she sounds like such a bloke. D:

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Lauren's voice is amazing, it sounds like she's permanently yawning

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Liking just about everybody at the moment.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:36 PM
Bitching:laugh:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:37 PM
Lydia stirring :D

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:37 PM
Lydia is always there :joker:

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:37 PM
I like Lauren, the other girls are a wee bit paranoid.

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Lydia is very nosy she likes to be on things

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Lydia :worship:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Lydia. :joker:

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Poor Lauren

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
uh-ohhh!!

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Yes Lauren!! :amazed:

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Lydia loving this. :D

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Awks

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Awkie MoMo

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Love Lydia and Lauren

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:39 PM
The one time Sara opens her mouth and I want her to shut the **** up.

minny03
10-06-2012, 08:40 PM
i love lydia

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:40 PM
Hahaha I love Lydia she's a sneaky bitch! :joker:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:40 PM
Luke Marsden ‏@LukeMarsden

What the hell has happened to Lauren's voice it's gone from sweet and soft to Barry White in 5 days.... #bbuk

arista
10-06-2012, 08:41 PM
Something Going On?


Slap her

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:41 PM
Chris and Lauren will definitely be up this week by the way people are ganging up! :)

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:41 PM
This is so boring.

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:42 PM
I cant stop smiling. :D

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:42 PM
This is the potential best season since BB9

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:42 PM
I love this series, there's so much going on already.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:42 PM
Hahaha. Ashleigh summing it up perfectly. :D

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Feel really bad for Lauren:(

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
So much better than ****ty S12.

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Loving this series, pure brilliance already

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Lauren, Deana and Lydia need to group up.

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
Oh my god, the scheming is just so great.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:43 PM
I support the Deana, Adam,Lydia and whoever else group

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:44 PM
I love that they are all gameplayers! They will all turn on eachother in the end! :D

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:44 PM
That was such a dull argument. I can't be bothered with Lauren. :bored: She's not interesting or anything.

Jords
10-06-2012, 08:45 PM
Ashleigh and Sara biaaatches!

Shievonne was a bit 2-faced, disappointing.

Sam:)
10-06-2012, 08:45 PM
#SausageGate is 3rd in the trend list

Jords
10-06-2012, 08:45 PM
Lauren, Deana and Lydia need to group up.

:love:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:45 PM
Lydia :worship:.

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:46 PM
I support the Deana, Adam,Lydia and whoever else group

:worship:

blandchild
10-06-2012, 08:46 PM
I like Lauren, and I hate the way girls behave when they get together to turn on someone. They sicken me.

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:46 PM
I can't help but feel bad for Lauren :( she seems like the vulnerable one

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:47 PM
Just imagine if Lydia had left Friday :bored:.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:48 PM
I love the fact that this is all over a sausage. :joker:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:48 PM
Just imagine if Lydia had left Friday :bored:.

Lets not even imagine it lol

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:49 PM
Ohhhhh grow up Lauren.

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:49 PM
Poor Lauren :(

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Lauren is so annoying. I don't care if she's been insecure about this before. She's really irritating me with her whole "oh go stick up for me plz :(" thing.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Adam getting involved :laugh:

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Admiral Adam putting the towie skets in their place.

PrincessIona
10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Adam getting involved :laugh:

:love:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
Admiral Adam putting the towie skets in their place.

:joker:

My favourite post of the day!

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
It's a ****ing sausage. I love that they are pissed every night. They are all fighters when the drink hits! :joker:

Pronshi
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
Adam said prison was the worst place on earth for him.

I wonder what he thinks now...

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
Lauren has a Sunshine face.

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
How meaningless is this conflict.

It's a rhetorical question.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Loving this.

Finally feel like I've seen enough of everybody to know who I like or not.

Doogle
10-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Really good friends? **** off it's been 2 minutes.

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Admiral Adam putting the towie skets in their place.

:worship:

Jackie
10-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Lauren for the win x

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Sara reminds me of a drunken 35 year old.

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:53 PM
Sara is making things far worse saying this! :D

Jords
10-06-2012, 08:53 PM
Got so much love for Lauren atm

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:54 PM
Lydia, Deana, Lauren, Adam :worship:

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:54 PM
:suspect: Why are smilies not moving on my screen :bawling:.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:54 PM
Haven't seen Benedict in forever.

Maia
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Fine with Conor, Luke and Arron going up

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Love this plan!

armand.kay
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Lydia if i belived in a god you would be it :worship:

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Haven't seen Benedict in forever.

Instead we've had Lauren whining and an argument about a sausage. Sigh...

Jords
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
I ****ing love Lydia!!!!!!

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
It's like a two way divide.

smartalec2718
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Lydia, Deana, Lauren, Adam :worship:

Lydia is wonderful. She's the one to watch.

Boo Sara...gone off her a bit

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Lydia is being so entertaining. Give the girl a medal just for playing the game! :D

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
These four :worship:

Braden
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
My dad said that he doesn't like that there are alliances, I shut him down pretty quick.

Jordan.
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
Hope Lauren sticks with this group now.

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
Lydia is making this series, thank god the TOWIE cretins won't rule the roost.

seaodw
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
Lydia is amazing, pls make this plan work lydia

smartalec2718
10-06-2012, 08:56 PM
Ashleigh wearing sunglasses in the dark bedroom...wtf

Tony1111
10-06-2012, 08:57 PM
Another brilliant episode! :D

Livia
10-06-2012, 08:57 PM
Lydia's a little bitch. I like that about her.

Jake.
10-06-2012, 08:57 PM
Another amazing HL show...

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Fine with Conor, Luke and Arron going up

:worship:

reece(:
10-06-2012, 08:58 PM
The ending made the whole show.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 08:58 PM
My favourite episode yet.

GypsyGoth
10-06-2012, 09:00 PM
I forgot this started at 9 :cloud:

I'm gonna watch it on Demand if I have the time tomorrow.

Black Dagger
10-06-2012, 09:00 PM
What a ****-stirring bitch, exposing Luke S, Arron and Conor :lovedup:

If she can get them up, I'll love her.

Callum
10-06-2012, 09:04 PM
Great episode tonight :worship: Love that the house is split already.

billy123
10-06-2012, 09:05 PM
Possibly the worst highlight show ever its so dumbed down its unreal they might as well sell it to the bbc and put it on during cbeebies.
#towiementaity #shallow

Ryan.
10-06-2012, 09:08 PM
Possibly the worst highlight show ever its so dumbed down its unreal they might as well sell it to the bbc and put it on during cbeebies.
#towiementaity #shallow

I didn't see tonights episode but it sounds like the editing was toned down tonight again? :spin:

Jake.
10-06-2012, 09:10 PM
Tonight was the best for me!

billy123
10-06-2012, 09:11 PM
I didn't see tonights episode but it sounds like the editing was toned down tonight again? :spin:
It is degrading they have dumbed it down so much they have to put hashtags at the bottom of the screen to prompt people on which bits they think people should be talking about. :joker:

Doogle
10-06-2012, 09:12 PM
That was the most boring so far. I hope the arguing continues though. It's hilarious how we haven't had a HL show with just talking yet. Even in the big series' there were a few episodes where people were "getting along" and just talking and stuff.

mizzy25
10-06-2012, 09:13 PM
missed it last night but thought tonights episode was great. sausagegate lol and go lydia the best gameplayer in there.

billy123
10-06-2012, 09:15 PM
They will be using canned laughter before we know it :rolleyes:

Ryan.
10-06-2012, 09:15 PM
It is degrading they have dumbed it down so much they have to put hashtags at the bottom of the screen to prompt people on which bits they think people should be talking about. :joker:

Tbh though a lot of shows do that. TOWIE, X Factor, BGT etc, it's sort of standard 'reality TV practice' :P

aman201
10-06-2012, 11:52 PM
Great episode tonight :worship: Love that the house is split already.

Yeah agree, makes it very interesting.

Anyone know since when the rules changed about talking about nominations?

I've not watched BB since like 2008 or 2009.

Samuel.
10-06-2012, 11:54 PM
Yeah agree, makes it very interesting.

Anyone know since when the rules changed about talking about nominations?

I've not watched BB since like 2008 or 2009.

Officially with this series, but for a lot of BB12 they didn't seem to care about nomination talk either.

aman201
11-06-2012, 12:02 AM
Officially with this series, but for a lot of BB12 they didn't seem to care about nomination talk either.

Ah k, cheers.

Valdora
11-06-2012, 12:15 AM
The last couple of episodes have been great. If this is it for regular BB at least it can go out on a critical high if not a commercial one.

There is something for everyone: Game playing, bitching and nice likeable people like Becky and others for old schoolers. Great.

BigBrotherfan4ever
11-06-2012, 07:29 AM
Loved last nights HL's

ButterflyGirl
11-06-2012, 01:22 PM
Why is there always pathetic arguements about food.