How can you tell if a HM is actually racist?

[alex_front2]

There's a very fine line between someone being racist and just harassing someone of another ethnicity/ race as you simply dislike them.

People debated the Shilpa/ Jade racial incidents(personally i think her mum Jackiey, boyfriend Jack, Jo S Club and Danielle 'racist tits' Lloyd who's got away as she's a Daily Star favorite were even worse). Some people saw no racism at all as it wasn't the overt BNP type racism.

Some people said in BB8 that Emily Parr wasn't racist to Charley (even Charley said this) but she said the N-word without intending to offend. I like many found it offensive. But others will say she never meant to hurt Charley.

Now I am in no way implying that Conor or Arron are racists when they target the only person in house of Indian heritage. But it would be impossible to discern whether their treatment of Deana was blind hatred, just general dislike or had other motivations.

[Holly Christmas]

It's a very tricky subject and a minefield to be honest. I so just think that they don't like Deana's personality, bit of a clash. They think she is a snob.

[cfromhx02]

It can often take a while to work out if someone is a genuine racist or not.Of course hardly anyone will admit to it, or be open in how they do it, in fact most won't admit it to themselves.Racism is far more prevalent in the UK than most would admit to.

The only way to be sure if someone is, is to observe how they are around people of a different colour.If that person seems to feel uncomfortable around someone of a different colour and seems to avoid conversation with them or move away when they try to communicate with them then it is a clear sign of racism.

[alex_front2]

It's a very tricky subject and a minefield to be honest. I so just think that they don't like Deana's personality, bit of a clash. They think she is a snob.

Yes, but so are (white) Scot and to a lesser extent Caroline. They have no problem with them and if anything they are way snobbier than Deana

[lostalex]

i think unfortunately people have confused the meaning of racist. often what people call racist these days is actually just prejudice.

It's like the boy who cried wolf.

What alot of people cry as racist these days, is actually just prejudice.

Racism is an actual ideology, like religion, it's something you believe in. when people use the word racism these days, they are actually talking about prejudice, and prejudice is not the same as racism.

racism is a belief system, a hatred of other races, a belief that other races are inferior to your own race.

What most people call "racism" these days, is actually just prejudice, and every one is prejudice. we all make judgements based on stereotypes, that doesn't mean you are necessarily racist though.

The media has confused the terms.

[Kizzy]

The psychometric tests are supposed to weedle any prejudice out I thought?

[alex_front2]

And there's different forms of racism created nowadays. The old school racism of older generations saying 'bloody foreigners...' g*llywog doll collectors or BNP vitriol is no longer the dominant model.

We have racism on dating sites, gay people have said their sites are the worst 'no chinese, no blacks, no hispanics' (see Douchebag of Grindr NSFW)

Then there are hipster racism (see http://jezebel.com/5905291/a-complete-guide-to-hipster-racism and http://www.beinglatino.us/politics-2/is-hipster-racism-the-new-trend/ and http://www.racialicious.com/2012/05/02/a-historical-guide-to-hipster-racism/ ) which is an ironic racism by white highly educated middle class people (as opposed to the stereotype skin head racist). A good example is when Prince Harry introduced his friend as 'My P*ki friend'

For more on Hipster racism see
http://www.alternet.org/culture/155818/how_urban_outfitters_peddles_ironic_conservatism,_ hipster_racism_and_other_terrible_values

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/hipster-racism_n_1457024.html

Then there are what I call the racist deniers. Whenever you question racism they simply say 'oh stop playing the racist card' to deliberately dampen any debate or investigation which may lead to exposure of their own possible racism.

[lostalex]

Racism is an actual belief system that you are conscious of. It's a choice you make to believe a certain idealogy, just like religion.

Prejudice is different though because it's subconscious. prejudice means you subconsciously have stereotypes about people because of their culture or skin color, it's not an ideology. It's totally subconscious.

being prejudice is not a choice. we are all prejudiced.

Racism is a choice, you choose to believe in a certain ideology to be racist.

you can't help being prejudice, we all are, but you can help being raicst, being racist is an ideological choice, just like choosing to believe in a certain religion.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

i think unfortunately people have confused the meaning of racist. often what people call racist these days is actually just prejudice.

It's like the boy who cried wolf.

What alot of people cry as racist these days, is actually just prejudice.

Racism is an actual ideology, like religion, it's something you believe in. when people use the word racism these days, they are actually talking about prejudice, and prejudice is not the same as racism.

racism is a belief system, a hatred of other races, a belief that other races are inferior to your own race.

What most people call "racism" these days, is actually just prejudice, and every one is prejudice. we all make judgements based on stereotypes, that doesn't mean you are necessarily racist though.

The media has confused the terms.

Thats not the right definition of the boy who cried wolf lol.

Anyway i totally agree that people are to quick to shout racist when infact it may just be a disagreement, ignorance or just prejudice.

The people who cry racism are usually the ones who see colour not person hence that making them more racist than the offender.

[ChristmasNeeve]

People who use race against someone or in a negative way are racist. There are also people who uses racist words not intending to insult, I think those people are just ignorant ..........in my opinion of course

[cfromhx02]

i think unfortunately people have confused the meaning of racist. often what people call racist these days is actually just prejudice.

It's like the boy who cried wolf.

What alot of people cry as racist these days, is actually just prejudice.

Racism is an actual ideology, like religion, it's something you believe in. when epople use the word racism these days, they are actually talking about prejudice, and prejudice is not the same as racism.

That's true as in the views of the BNP and the KLU KLUX KLan in the USA of course, which shows true racist belief.

However,having said that, I do think that when someone is uncomfortable around someone and cannot speak to them or moves away that shows real racist belief beneath.

And where do you draw the line.

Of course the Nazis, or groups like the BNP or the Kan we would fight to the death against if we had to to stop them controlling things, however, even with people who are just prejudiced it is still really bad, and it is still racist they way they treat people even if it is just based on ignorance, and blind sheepish following of racism in national papers or by the members of the BNP etc which is actual belief.

That ignorance if allowed to spread can lead to attacks and even murders on more people not just abuse or mal treatment.Racism should be opposed in any guise it exists and opposed at every turn

[lostalex]

Thats not the right definition of the boy who cried wolf lol.

Anyway i totally agree that people are to quick to shout racist when infact it may just be a disagreement, ignorance or just prejudice.

The people who cry racism are usually the ones who see colour not person hence that making them more racist than the offender.


when i say "the boy who cried wolf" i'm talking about people who shout "racism" at every opportunity, for instance whenever a black person has trouble getting a cab, they scream racism. sorry but if you scream racism over not being able to get a cab, that totally dilutes the definition of racism. racism is people who have been killed for the color of their skin, when you scream racism over a waiter not giving you good service, or a taxi cab not stopping for you, it's absolutely just like the boy who cried wolf, because it dilutes the the impact of the word racism.

[lostalex]

That's true as in the views of the BNP and the KLU KLUX KLan in the USA of course, which shows true racist belief.

However,having said that, I do think that when someone is uncomfortable around someone and cannot speak to them or moves away that shows real racist belief beneath.

And where do you draw the line.

Of course the Nazis, or groups like the BNP or the Kan we would fight to the death against if we had to to stop them controlling things, however, even with people who are just prejudiced it is still really bad, and it is still racist they way they treat people even if it is just based on ignorance, and blind sheepish following of racism in national papers or by the members of the BNP etc which is actual belief.

That ignorance if allowed to spread can lead to attacks and even murders on more people not just abuse or mal treatment.Racism should be opposed in any guise it exists and opposed at every turn

sorry but yoiu are wrong, because the word racism should invoke true horrors in people, but when you use it to complain about service at a restaurant, well guess what, gay men, women, foriegners, they alll experience discrimination, even white epople dressed a certain way, rednecks get treated differently, so that's not racism, that's just prejudice.

racism should be used to describe a certain type of horrible crime, other wise, it just fits into normal prejudice.

prejudice and racism are NOT the same thing.

[Livia]

............... which is an ironic racism by white highly educated middle class people (as opposed to the stereotype skin head racist). A good example is when Prince Harry introduced his friend as 'My P*ki friend'




That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.

To me, racism - or as lostalex more accurately calls it, prejudice, like many other things, is all about intent. If you intend to hurt, offend or harrass someone, then it's obviously not on. If you're using a term to a friend in an innocent manner - quoting song lyrics for example as Emily Parr in BB did - then it is clearly not racism, even though Charley did her best to pretend to be outraged.

[alex_front2]

Do you remember early this year when NBA US-Korean basketball Jeremy Lin was breaking records and people were saying 'Linsanity' 'We're Linning'. Basically an Asian had the temerity to be as good as the other players who were mainly black American.

[alex_front2]

That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.


But Harry's friends may not mind but other Asian people will do. And the implication is that people of Pakistani/ Asian origin are worth joking about unlike 'superior white people' who are rarely the but of jokes. Ie non-white people should shut the fack up about jokes know their place. Woe betide if anyone makes a jokes about whites as they are the superior race. Again i think your thinking is a bit offensive tbh.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Do you remember early this year when NBA US-Korean basketball Jeremy Lin was breaking records and people were saying 'Linsanity' 'We're Linning'. Basically an Asian had the temerity to be as good as the other players who were mainly black American.

Do you think that those people were actually racist though or was it just because you don't often see Asian basketball players that good?

[lostalex]

i've already explained all this in my posts, but yyall are still talking about it. Prejudice is NOT the same as RACISM>

RACISM is a conscious ideology. a racist KNOWS that he is racist.

PREJUDICE is a subconscious stereotype.

Being prejudice doesn't mean you are racist. they are 2 completely different things.

[Livia]

But Harry's friends may not mind but other Asian people will do. And the implication is that people of Pakistani/ Asian origin are worth joking about unlike 'superior white people' who are rarely the but of jokes.

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

[ChristmasNeeve]

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

You wait till Marc hears about this :nono:

[Livia]

Do you remember early this year when NBA US-Korean basketball Jeremy Lin was breaking records and people were saying 'Linsanity' 'We're Linning'. Basically an Asian had the temerity to be as good as the other players who were mainly black American.

How is that racist, exactly?

[alex_front2]

Do you think that those people were actually racist though or was it just because you don't often see Asian basketball players that good?

Same thing. Not seeing Asian basketball players as good is racist. You are making an assumption based on race. Alot of people think Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians etc are all the same. Heck loads of people think all Chinese are the same.

White people generally get seen as individuals and judged accordingly. But as soon as a someone who isn't white does something that people haven't seen before 'woahhhhh'. Lewis Hamilton can drive an F1? But his dad's black. Tiger Woods plays golf? But his dads' mixed black. Barak Obama wants to run as US president? Are you sure he's an American? :nono:

Conor keeps accusing Deana of playing up to the cameras when she knows she's live on TV. OK nothing wrong with that even though we've seen zero evidence of this and we see live before during and after evictions. However Arron was blatantly playing up to the live TV moment when the nomms were announced ie his weird no more pranks speech. I am not a gambler but I am guessing Conor will say nothing.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Racism is an actual belief system that you are conscious of. It's a choice you make to believe a certain idealogy, just like religion.

Prejudice is different though because it's subconscious. prejudice means you subconsciously have stereotypes about people because of their culture or skin color, it's not an ideology. It's totally subconscious.

being prejudice is not a choice. we are all prejudiced.

Racism is a choice, you choose to believe in a certain ideology to be racist.

you can't help being prejudice, we all are, but you can help being raicst, being racist is an ideological choice, just like choosing to believe in a certain religion.

I don't see much point in trying to make a distinction between the two, racism is prejudice. By no means does it only count as racism if it's incorporated in a set of political views or ideology, racism can occur in many everyday instances in life, however trivial.

Anyway, no I don't think Arron and Conor are racists for not liking Deana

[alex_front2]

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

Harry thinks he's superior. Ripping the p*ss out of hair colour isn't racist as its not a defining white quality. Its prejuduced against people of this hair colour. Not whites.

Refering to people was P**i confers a certain superiority complex.

[cfromhx02]

sorry but yoiu are wrong, because the word racism should invoke true horrors in people, but when you use it to complain about service at a restaurant, well guess what, gay men, women, foriegners, they alll experience discrimination, even white epople dressed a certain way, rednecks get treated differently, so that's not racism, that's just prejudice.

racism should be used to describe a certain type of horrible crime, other wise, it just fits into normal prejudice.

prejudice and racism are NOT the same thing.

Sorry but can we politely agree to disagree. And I of all people don't believe what the media tells me. IN fact I do not watch the BBC news at all now as I know it doesn't cover the most important stories any more and just puts over the viewpoint of the establishment.

I have very left wing views and have been an active member of the left for ages. I know very well about thought control and either ignorant or just plain corrupt versions of terms and events broadcast by our media.

I made my own mind up and I am well educated and have a lot of experience in actually standing up to racism so I know that there are a lot of people who would be called just prejudiced are in fact racist but they won't admit to it, and I said the leaders of those who openly and knowingly admit to it are

the worst, but the sheep or followers who are seen as just prejudiced are also really dangerous and their treatment of others has to be stopped before it spreads as any form of racism if not tackled can lead to attacks and murder eventually, and it's the number of the idiots that just follow and are


prejudiced that is the problem, a few of them will because of other pressures IE financial or work end up actually r hurting

Can we just politely disagree.Notice how I have not just said "No You Are Wrong" at you, although I think you are

[Livia]

Same thing. Not seeing Asian basketball players as good is racist. You are making an assumption based on race. Alot of people think Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians etc are all the same. Heck loads of people think all Chinese are the same.

White people generally get seen as individuals and judged accordingly. But as soon as a someone who isn't white does something that people haven't seen before 'woahhhhh'. Lewis Hamilton can drive an F1? But his dad's black. Tiger Woods plays golf? But his dads' mixed black. Barak Obama wants to run as US president? Are you sure he's an American? :nono:

Conor keeps accusing Deana of playing up to the cameras when she knows she's live on TV. OK nothing wrong with that even though we've seen zero evidence of this and we see live before during and after evictions. However Arron was blatantly playing up to the live TV moment when the nomms were announced ie his weird no more pranks speech. I am not a gambler but I am guessing Conor will say nothing.


You're making a massive amount of assumptions. Some people say Wow! About Lewis Hamilton because they think it's refreshing to see a black man in an F1 car.

Aaron, as profoundly stupid as he is, is perfectly entitled to dislike Deana. That doesn't making him a racist. Maybe he just doesn't like her.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Same thing. Not seeing Asian basketball players as good is racist. You are making an assumption based on race. Alot of people think Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians etc are all the same. Heck loads of people think all Chinese are the same.

White people generally get seen as individuals and judged accordingly. But as soon as a someone who isn't white does something that people haven't seen before 'woahhhhh'. Lewis Hamilton can drive an F1? But his dad's black. Tiger Woods plays golf? But his dads' mixed black. Barak Obama wants to run as US president? Are you sure he's an American? :nono:

Conor keeps accusing Deana of playing up to the cameras when she knows she's live on TV. OK nothing wrong with that even though we've seen zero evidence of this and we see live before during and after evictions. However Arron was blatantly playing up to the live TV moment when the nomms were announced ie his weird no more pranks speech. I am not a gambler but I am guessing Conor will say nothing.

It's not racist, it's going on what people are used to seeing. It's like when we Irish had a gold medal winning swimmer years ago, we were all pleasantly surprised because we're used to seeing better swimmers from other countries, that's not racist or xenophobic or whatever and I am Irish.

[alex_front2]

You're making a massive amount of assumptions. Some people say Wow! About Lewis Hamilton because they think it's refreshing to see a black man in an F1 car.

Aaron, as profoundly stupid as he is, is perfectly entitled to dislike Deana. That doesn't making him a racist. Maybe he just doesn't like her.

How patronising. Yes, black people can read write and get into top unis become scientists and become billionaires. no patronage of white people needed.

the fact that people say it's refreshing to see a black man in a F1 car is utterly racialist. He's a F1 driver just like Button, Vettel, Webber, Shumey, Alonso. Why should his ethnicity be a big deal.

Then there's the vilification of the William Sisters in tennis. They act no worse than Nadal and are slated.

Anyway back to BB I am putting Conors attitude to deana under the microscope.

[Marc]

I'd always stay away from any accusation of it

[*mazedsalv**]

I don't see much point in trying to make a distinction between the two, racism is prejudice. By no means does it only count as racism if it's incorporated in a set of political views or ideology, racism can occur in many everyday instances in life, however trivial.

Anyway, no I don't think Arron and Conor are racists for not liking Deana

I think what they mean is that it is different as a whole, yes racism is the highest extreme point of prejudice but as someone has said, racist people know they are racist, however prejudice people would say for example when they see someone looking dodgy on a plane, "Ohh, I'm scared to be in this plane because of that man". The person wouldn't be purposely racist but they have a worry about the person in question and the safety of the place (bad example I know).

Hitler was racist. I think Jade (sorry to bring it up) was a bully, but not racist.

So in full, I do not think Arron is racist, he may have a slight prejudice against Deana (but not from where she's from, more because of her Queen like appearance that she have off maybe in launch night?). Also, I don't think they are BULLYING her, but they are PICKING on her. Slightly different.

Picking on someone gives the person a freedom or the slight courage to bite back, being bullied makes victims feel petrified of fighting back.

[Livia]

Sorry but can we politely agree to disagree. And I of all people don't believe what the media tells me. IN fact I do not watch the BBC news at all now as I know it doesn't cover the most important stories any more and just puts over the viewpoint of the establishment.

I have very left wing views and have been an active member of the left for ages. I know very well about thought control and either ignorant or just plain corrupt versions of terms and events broadcast by our media.

I made my own mind up and I am well educated and have a lot of experience in actually standing up to racism so I know that there are a lot of people who would be called just prejudiced are in fact racist but they won't admit to it, and I said the leaders of those who openly and knowingly admit to it are

the worst, but the sheep or followers who are seen as just prejudiced are also really dangerous and their treatment of others has to be stopped before it spreads as any form of racism if not tackled can lead to attacks and murder eventually, and it's the number of the idiots that just follow and are


prejudiced that is the problem, a few of them will because of other pressures IE financial or work end up actually r hurting

Can we just politely disagree.Notice how I have not just said "No You Are Wrong" at you, although I think you are

Apart from the nonsense about the left and thought control, that was going well up until the last line.

[ChristmasNeeve]

How patronising. Yes, black people can read write and get into top unis become scientists and become billionaires. no patronage of white people needed.

the fact that people say it's refreshing to see a black man in a F1 car is utterly racialist. He's a F1 driver just like Button, Vettel, Webber, Shumey, Alonso. Why should his ethnicity be a big deal.

Then there's the vilification of the William Sisters in tennis. They act no worse than Nadal and are slated.

Anyway back to BB I am putting Conors attitude to deana under the microscope.

OMG she never said that black people couldn't be F1 drivers, she said that there aren't many of them (which is a fact btw) so it's refreshing to see one there. Jesus.

[Livia]

How patronising. Yes, black people can read write and get into top unis become scientists and become billionaires. no patronage of white people needed.

the fact that people say it's refreshing to see a black man in a F1 car is utterly racialist. He's a F1 driver just like Button, Vettel, Webber, Shumey, Alonso. Why should his ethnicity be a big deal.

Then there's the vilification of the William Sisters in tennis. They act no worse than Nadal and are slated.

Anyway back to BB I am putting Conors attitude to deana under the microscope.

Are you serious? I went to Cambridge and studied with people of all colours and backgrounds. Many of my colleagues are black, well-educated and successful. How dare you assume that I'm racist and patronising black people in what I say.

You really think that me thinking it's good to see a black man driving an F1 car is racist? It's a big deal because fifty short years ago, black people had to use a different entrance to white people, and in the USA, sit in a different place on the bus. Things have moved on... and that's a good thing.

Seriously, I think you need to drop the "racist" thing and leave the microscope alone.

[alex_front2]

What's quite interesting is people took against Shilpa and now Deana and said they are stuck up. But we've had stuck up white people on BB and nobody has really taken against them. Scot revels in being snotty (he'd take it as a compliment) and discused his views on chavs in his VT and yet noone is giving him a hard time despite the fact he actually comes from a more humble background. It's as if there is an implicit resentment that Indian (or anyone who isn't white) shouldn't get 'above their station' and be more financial successful than the average white person. It reminds me when Oprah Winfrey went to Hermes (lavish luxury items) store in Paris and was almost thrown out by security despite being smartly dressed


Despite the fact that India China will have the biggest economies.

[alex_front2]

How is that racist, exactly?

Wow you are racist with an superiority complex. The fact that you don't see that you are is both worrying and slightly funny and a Cambridge uni degree is nothing if you are not bright enough to see this.

[Livia]

What's quite interesting is people took against Shilpa and now Deana and said they are stuck up. But we've had stuck up white people on BB and nobody has really taken against them. Scot revels in being snotty (he'd take it as a compliment) and discused his views on chavs in his VT and yet noone is giving him a hard time despite the fact he actually comes from a more humble background. It's as if there is an implicit resentment that Indian (or anyone who isn't white) shouldn't get 'above their station' and be more financial successful than the average white person. It reminds me when Oprah Winfrey went to Hermes (lavish luxury items) store in Paris and was almost thrown out by security despite being smartly dressed


Despite the fact that India China will have the biggest economies.

So now we're on to class distinction. Well, if you want to see REAL class distinction, go to India. It makes the good old British class system look like a love-in.

[ChristmasNeeve]

What's quite interesting is people took against Shilpa and now Deana and said they are stuck up. But we've had stuck up white people on BB and nobody has really taken against them. Scot revels in being snotty (he'd take it as a compliment) and discused his views on chavs in his VT and yet noone is giving him a hard time despite the fact he actually comes from a more humble background. It's as if there is an implicit resentment that Indian (or anyone who isn't white) shouldn't get 'above their station' and be more financial successful than the average white person. It reminds me when Oprah Winfrey went to Hermes (lavish luxury items) store in Paris and was almost thrown out by security despite being smartly dressed


Despite the fact that India China will have the biggest economies.

What are you talking about, Caroline is constantly being accused of being stuck up and I have to remind you Shilpa won that show and almost everyone was on her side.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Wow you are racist with an superiority complex. The fact that you don't see that you are is both worrying and slightly funny and a Cambridge uni degree is nothing if you are not bright enough to see this.

You need to stop with the personal insults.

[Livia]

Wow you are racist with an superiority complex. The fact that you don't see that you are is both worrying and slightly funny and a Cambridge uni degree is nothing if you are not bright enough to see this.

I am racist? I am a Jew. I still have family alive with the Nazi tattoos from concentration camps on their arms. I know a little more about prejudice and racism than you, I think.

You're trolling now and looking for a fight but in reality you're making yourself look really, really dim.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I think what they mean is that it is different as a whole, yes racism is the highest extreme point of prejudice but as someone has said, racist people know they are racist, however prejudice people would say for example when they see someone looking dodgy on a plane, "Ohh, I'm scared to be in this plane because of that man". The person wouldn't be purposely racist but they have a worry about the person in question and the safety of the place (bad example I know).

Hitler was racist. I think Jade (sorry to bring it up) was a bully, but not racist.

So in full, I do not think Arron is racist, he may have a slight prejudice against Deana (but not from where she's from, more because of her Queen like appearance that she have off maybe in launch night?). Also, I don't think they are BULLYING her, but they are PICKING on her. Slightly different.

Picking on someone gives the person a freedom or the slight courage to bite back, being bullied makes victims feel petrified of fighting back.

Well I don't think anyone is born inherently racist, if someone is being unintentionally prejudice I agree that it's not the same thing as someone who consciously discriminates based on race but I still would consider them both to be racism, it'd just be that the former was more based on institutional and societal prejudices as opposed to any malicious intent on their part

I'm still catching up on last nights episode but I haven't seen anything to say Arron or Conor would hold any prejudiced to Deana based on race, I think it's perfectly feasible that they just don't like her or maybe find her a bit up herself.

[Kizzy]

Do you remember early this year when NBA US-Korean basketball Jeremy Lin was breaking records and people were saying 'Linsanity' 'We're Linning'. Basically an Asian had the temerity to be as good as the other players who were mainly black American.

To me thats just a clever play on words...

[ChristmasNeeve]

To me thats just a clever play on words...

Eeeeeeexactly.

[Yayita]

If Arron and Conor are racist towards Deana, lets see how they behave towards Shivonne and Adam, that would prove it dont you think? Maybe they just don't like Deana for whatever reason.

[Kizzy]

That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.

To me, racism - or as lostalex more accurately calls it, prejudice, like many other things, is all about intent. If you intend to hurt, offend or harrass someone, then it's obviously not on. If you're using a term to a friend in an innocent manner - quoting song lyrics for example as Emily Parr in BB did - then it is clearly not racism, even though Charley did her best to pretend to be outraged.

I totally disagree, it matters not if he is in the military the P word should not be used...
How do you know he was not offended, it certainly is an offensive term?
It reminds me of the Made in Bradford C4 programme where the retired officer made a reference to past collegues, in which he admitted using this term.
How is one jokey uniformed banter and the other evidence of institutional racism?
Is is because one is a prince?

[Livia]

I totally disagree, it matters not if he is in the military the P word should not be used...
How do you know he was not offended, it certainly is an offensive term?
It reminds me of the Made in Bradford C4 programme where the retired officer made a reference to past collegues, in which he admitted using this term.
How is one jokey uniformed banter and the other evidence of institutional racism?
Is is because one is a prince?

I changed my mind, I don't want to discuss this or anything else -with you.

[billy123]

If Arron and Conor are racist towards Deana, lets see how they behave towards Shivonne and Adam, that would prove it dont you think? Maybe they just don't like Deana for whatever reason.Post of the thread to be honest.

Theres no need to analyse it whatsoever and for anyone to get uppity and offended on anyone elses behalf is patronising and a bit prejudice in itself.

[*mazedsalv**]

Well I don't think anyone is born inherently racist, if someone is being unintentionally prejudice I agree that it's not the same thing as someone who consciously discriminates based on race but I still would consider them both to be racism, it'd just be that the former was more based on institutional and societal prejudices as opposed to any malicious intent on their part

I'm still catching up on last nights episode but I haven't seen anything to say Arron or Conor would hold any prejudiced to Deana based on race, I think it's perfectly feasible that they just don't like her or maybe find her a bit up herself.

Yes, of course no one is born racist, but if you are brought up by a racist family then you will BECOME racist at a very young age. Just like that family on the Tyra Banks show who's father was a Nazi and he taught his family to hate all black people and Jews, and they do. That's a creepy though.

[fruit_cake]

I can't see the connection between Arron's pranks on Deana and racism, that would require a brain of at least some sorts.

[lostalex]

it's not racist to be happy to see a black f1 driver just l9ke it's not sexist to celebrate seeing a woman Chinese astronaut. obviously in a perfect world we wouldn't need to celebrate these things, but we don't live in a perfect world.

As i was saying before the word racist has lost all meaning now because people use it in wacky ways, people don't even know what it means any more.

[Kizzy]

I changed my mind, I don't want to discuss this or anything else -with you.

Then why not just delete the post? thats fine, just leave it to show how rude you are...

[Kazanne]

It's a very tricky subject and a minefield to be honest. I so just think that they don't like Deana's personality, bit of a clash. They think she is a snob.

But wouldn't they be the same then to Scott and Caroline,but most of them seem ok with them,i'm not sure what to make of Deana yet.

[Kizzy]

Yes, of course no one is born racist, but if you are brought up by a racist family then you will BECOME racist at a very young age. Just like that family on the Tyra Banks show who's father was a Nazi and he taught his family to hate all black people and Jews, and they do. That's a creepy though.

Here is a test to see how Implicitly racist you are, it's weird thinking you think something ...when you don't haha
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

[ChristmasNeeve]

Here is a test to see how Implicitly racist you are, it's weird thinking you think something ...when you don't haha
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

that link doesn't work properly, it just says you've timed out

[lostalex]

Then why not just delete the post? thats fine, just leave it to show how rude you are...

Livia is not rude, she's been incredibly civilized in this discussion.

[Kizzy]

Livia is not rude, she's been incredibly civilized in this discussion.

Sorry alex, I just meant to me personally not in general.

[Marsh.]

The psychometric tests are supposed to weedle any prejudice out I thought?

If that did happen there'd be no one left to go into the house. Everyone has prejudice's in one aspect or another. We're all guilty of it, it's just a matter of whether you are mature enough to deal with it and learn from it or not.

[Kizzy]

that link doesn't work properly, it just says you've timed out

Ok try this one,
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/

[Kizzy]

If that did happen there'd be no one left to go into the house. Everyone has prejudice's in one aspect or another. We're all guilty of it, it's just a matter of whether you are mature enough to deal with it and learn from it or not.

Maybe, although I had an interview the other day and they asked me if I were a biscuit what would I be........Stop messin wit my mojo! :joker:

I said a hobnob.....Does that make me crazy?...probably?

[Bluerang1]

I don't think they're being racist just stupid. However, if Deana was black, I may have pulled the race card, sorry.

[Samuel.]

You're only being racist if your intent is to be offensive, in the case of Emily Parr, she wasn't.

Impossible to accuse Arron or Conor of actually being racist, unless they bring her race up in a derogatory way.

[Kizzy]

It's just because she gets whiney, her and lydia..still can't believe lyds nominated her....

[Marsh.]

Maybe, although I had an interview the other day and they asked me if I were a biscuit what would I be........Stop messin wit my mojo! :joker:

I said a hobnob.....Does that make me crazy?...probably?

:laugh2: I hate crazy, left-field questions in interviews. They make me feel uncomfortable.

[fruit_cake]

Your Result
Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American.
The interpretation is described as 'automatic preference for European American' if you responded faster when European American faces and Good words were classified with the same key than when African American faces and Good words were classified with the same key. Depending on the magnitude of your result, yo

interesting, tyvm Kizzy!

[Yayita]

Post of the thread to be honest.

Theres no need to analyse it whatsoever and for anyone to get uppity and offended on anyone elses behalf is patronising and a bit prejudice in itself.

Thank you sir, sometimes we over analyze things, time will tell.

[Yayita]

:laugh2: I hate crazy, left-field questions in interviews. They make me feel uncomfortable.

HAHAHAHAHA i am cracking up at that question, makes no sense LOL

[chuff me dizzy]

Im truly sick of all the racist BS, so you are not allowed to dislike a HM8 now if the are not white?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ok try this one,
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/

Just did this is my result, some questions were hard to answer though cos I'm not up on American Politics, I just chose Barrack Obama cos he's more pleasing to the eye lol :

Your results are reported below:
Your data suggest a moderate implicit preference for Barack Obama compared to Mitt Romney.
Your data suggest little to no difference in implicit preference between Black People and White People.

[Merry Mockmas]

I don't think Conor and Arron are racists.

Charlie Drummond from BB10 however is a completely different story as on launch night he completely blanked Benazir, hated Siavash before Siavash even done anything wrong, and he just never seemed to like any ethnic person.

[Urban Cragou]

There's nothing I can add that hasn't already been said but I agree with the general idea that whoever brings up the race card for this is either taking the piss or genuinely needs to stop posting on here and get an education.

If you're on a game show then it is your duty to judge people based on their personality. If people don't like Deana then perhaps it's because of her personality rather than the colour of their skin. The lot of them are there to judge personalities and to try and defend your favourite housemate with an incredibly weak and stupid argument then you know something's wrong.

[Urban Cragou]

I don't think Conor and Arron are racists.

Charlie Drummond from BB10 however is a completely different story as on launch night he completely blanked Benazir, hated Siavash before Siavash even done anything wrong, and he just never seemed to like any ethnic person.

You're never going to know what they say about Deana behind closed doors. They could have for more negative views on her based on personality or they could indeed be racist. There's no way of knowing if someone's racist at all if they don't make a public display of it.

The thing that grates me is the fact that some people on here think they can use the race card to defend Deana. I'm actually really struggling to get my head around it all.

[Jords]

Nobody is racist fgs

[King Gizzard]

I bet there have been other Emily incidents BB have covered up, they just wanted to make an example that time

Twas very harsh on here I think that time, scapegoated

[Urban Cragou]

Nobody is racist fgs

As I said, you're never going to know if they don't make a public display of it. You can't go inside someone's head and see their true thoughts and motives. That logic can be applied to anyone on this planet, not just Conor and Arron. In fact, any hidden views based on anything can be applied to anyone.

The only thing I object to is this nonsense that doing your job makes you racist.

[vortex]

Racism can have many layers and it can be hard to spot at first sight, a person could make a joke about someone else's race but so subtle nobody notices it, in this BB house I dont really think there's any sort of racism against the minorities, I just think Arron, Conor and Luke S want Deana out cos she's an easy target.

[achro]

Why is everyone saying racism needs to be "intended" for it to be racism?

This is not true at all.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Why is everyone saying racism needs to be "intended" for it to be racism?

This is not true at all.

I don't think it needs to be "intended", to be racist but I do think that being intentionally racist is far worse than someone using a racist term through ignorance.

[Urban Cragou]

Why is everyone saying racism needs to be "intended" for it to be racism?

This is not true at all.

It does need to be intended. There are two types of racism: (1) out of sheer ignorance and stupidity, buying into incredibly weak ideas and stereotypes without knowing the facts and (2) knowing the facts yet continuing to look down on a particular race or more.

[Livia]

Some people on here have made Jew jokes to me and I've laughed, because I know them, and I know that the intention was for me to laugh. And I did laugh because they were funny and meant in fun. If someone I don't really know makes Jew jokes, it's hard to tell whether their intention is to be funny or unkind. You have to know someone well before you can take liberties with them. However, it's not for someone else to say that something is offensive and to be outraged on another person's behalf if the person on the receiving end is not insulted and well able to speak for themselves.