Changing my opinion slightly......

[ChristmasNeeve]

I find with this years Big brother I'm changing my mind on people almost daily. Take Ashleigh for example, I really disliked her, then she stood to her group (a little) for Deanna and then last night, right well...........I don't think it's nice that she seems to have an irrational dislike for Lauren but I really liked her honesty about it, the fact that she said she doesn't like her because maybe she's sees her as a threat, I mean it was quite obvious that that was the case but I think it was quite admirable of her to actually admit that and not try and think of lies to hide it, I don't know, I just found it very refreshing. Thoughts?

[Amy Jade]

I agree, she was the person I disliked most until she kind of stood up for Deana.

She is the 'Queen B' of the group though so she can pretty much say what ever she wants and I doubt the group would rebel.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I agree, she was the person I disliked most until she kind of stood up for Deana.

She is the 'Queen B' of the group though so she can pretty much say what ever she wants and I doubt the group would rebel.

That's true enough I suppose, we'll have to see what happens, I'll probably hate her again tomorrow :laugh:

[fruit_cake]

When she stood up for Deana it elevated her above the bully group imo, at least she does appear to have some degree of compassion for others. She's definitely a bit of a question mark still though, but she's got two big problems heading her way because she doesn't feel comfortable with the controlling Luke S and at the same time it seems to me that she's leading Conor on a bit too and she's going to have to tread very very carefully because we've already seen what can happen when he feels rejected.

edit: what I'm sayng is maybe once we've seen how she deals with those two problems will we know enough about her to make a judgment on whether she's a good housemate or not!!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Indeed Fruity, I have to say I am loving this year though, the HMs are alot more complex than I originally gave them all credit for

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Her constant "oh me and Luke S have nothing in common" cry is getting on my nerves, at least tell him to his face she wants to dump him. This says to me she is using him for camera time, only problem viewers have not interest in her and Luke.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think she might have got with him so quickly because she was afraid Lauren was going to get him first if she didn't

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think she might have got with him so quickly because she was afraid Lauren was going to get him first if she didn't

Ash seems more interested in Connor that Luke! :suspect:

[fruit_cake]

Indeed Fruity, I have to say I am loving this year though, the HMs are alot more complex than I originally gave them all credit for

yes a good point Niamh it has been a really tricky first few weeks

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ash seems more interested in Connor that Luke! :suspect:

Definitely, Conor has a g/f though, doesn't he?

[cfromhx02]

True but she also said she was having a go at Lauren because she was a good person.

That happens a lot in the world outside the house.

And I think being biased against people because they are good by worse people because they are embarrassed to be around them because it reminds them they are not as good is not something which should be frowned upon, even if they admit it afterwards, they still were bad enough to do it in the first place, and that good person has often had to go through hell because of it.

Maybe not in Lauren's case, though I do think the treatment of her has been appalling.I'm making a general point here.That often good people outside what happens in the house are put through hell by worse people (some of them their whole life) because they are treated like dirt because they are good & remind wo9rse people that they are not as good.

It was good of her to admit it and I admire her for it but to have a go at people for being good and how they have to suffer for it is still bang o0ut of order.

[Cynical]

I think both Ashleigh and Lauren have a lot of growing up to do. I find both extremely annoying.

[Livia]

I find with this years Big brother I'm changing my mind on people almost daily. Take Ashleigh for example...... etc. etc. etc....... Thoughts?


My thought are... Niamh! You're an intelligent woman! What the hell are you thinking!?!? I detest Ashleigh. She's everything I hate in another woman. I've scraped classier stuff of my shoe.

[Livia]

Definitely, Conor has a g/f though, doesn't he?

Really? The poor cow...

[cfromhx02]

I think both Ashleigh and Lauren have a lot of growing up to do. I find both extremely annoying.

True Cynical, but I think Lauren has an excuse a bit because she has probably not just with that gang, but probably all her life been treated like s**T because she is good.I';m not saying all good people are but often they are.I'd like to see her stand up for herself a bit more (which she has done a little bit recently) and maybe some of her friends stand up for her more too.But it's no wonder she's a wreck.Because she probably has had to face that sort of corruption her whole life.

Ashleigh's stock for me rises a little for standing up for Deanna and admitting she had a go at Lauren because she was good,

But IMHO having a go at someone for being good, because a lot of bad people on the outside make good people's (sometimes whole life's hell) is one of the worst things apart from any form of killing you can do.

[jyunga]

Her constant "oh me and Luke S have nothing in common" cry is getting on my nerves, at least tell him to his face she wants to dump him. This says to me she is using him for camera time, only problem viewers have not interest in her and Luke.

How can it be getting on your nerves? She's only mentioned it twice... in two very short parts of the show. You act like it's a daily occurrence.

[ChristmasNeeve]

My thought are... Niamh! You're an intelligent woman! What the hell are you thinking!?!? I detest Ashleigh. She's everything I hate in another woman. I've scraped classier stuff of my shoe.

lol, She's by no means classy that's for sure, but tbf there's not alot of women who would actually admit to themselves and to the nation that they feel threatened by another woman because they feel they're better and more clever then themselves

[ChristmasNeeve]

True but she also said she was having a go at Lauren because she was a good person.

That happens a lot in the world outside the house.

And I think being biased against people because they are good by worse people because they are embarrassed to be around them because it reminds them they are not as good is not something which should be frowned upon, even if they admit it afterwards, they still were bad enough to do it in the first place, and that good person has often had to go through hell because of it.

Maybe not in Lauren's case, though I do think the treatment of her has been appalling.I'm making a general point here.That often good people outside what happens in the house are put through hell by worse people (some of them their whole life) because they are treated like dirt because they are good & remind wo9rse people that they are not as good.

It was good of her to admit it and I admire her for it but to have a go at people for being good and how they have to suffer for it is still bang o0ut of order.

I agree completely but maybe realising what she's doing and admitting it out loud, is a good step forward for her.

[fruit_cake]

True Cynical, but I think Lauren has an excuse a bit because she has probably not just with that gang, but probably all her life been treated like s**T because she is good.I';m not saying all good people are but often they are.I'd like to see her stand up for herself a bit more (which she has done a little bit recently) and maybe some of her friends stand up for her more too.But it's no wonder she's a wreck.Because she probably has had to face that sort of corruption her whole life.

Ashleigh's stock for me rises a little for standing up for Deanna and admitting she had a go at Lauren because she was good,

But IMHO having a go at someone for being good, because a lot of bad people on the outside make good people's (sometimes whole life's hell) is one of the worst things apart from any form of killing you can do.

with respect, I'm not sure what is so 'good' about Lauren, dopey might be a better word. She put her membership of the 'team' in front of her own sister who had travelled all the way from Jersey to come and see her.

[Livia]

lol, She's by no means classy that's for sure, but tbf there's not alot of women who would actually admit to themselves and to the nation that they feel threatened by another woman because they feel they're better and more clever then themselves

Everyone is cleverer than Ashleigh. I have a more intelligent hanging basket.

[kistar]

lol, She's by no means classy that's for sure, but tbf there's not alot of women who would actually admit to themselves and to the nation that they feel threatened by another woman because they feel they're better and more clever then themselves

Exactly that was a defining moment for me ,one thing about Ashleigh is she is being herself nothing is hidden no game plan and I kinda like that about her, also she loves her dog loads which in my book makes her a cutie regardless of her foul mouth,which is getting better the longer she is in the house.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Everyone is cleverer than Ashleigh. I have a more intelligent hanging basket.

:laugh:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Exactly that was a defining moment for me ,one thing about Ashleigh is she is being herself nothing is hidden no game plan and I kinda like that about her, also she loves her dog loads which in my book makes her a cutie regardless of her foul mouth,which is getting better the longer she is in the house.

Yeah, she hasn't been swearing half as much lately

[cfromhx02]

I agree completely but maybe realising what she's doing and admitting it out loud, is a good step forward for her.

Thanks Niamh, and it helps advertise to those watching that it's not right in the outside world to pick on people because they are good too.

[cfromhx02]

with respect, I'm not sure what is so 'good' about Lauren, dopey might be a better word. She put her membership of the 'team' in front of her own sister who had travelled all the way from Jersey to come and see her.

I think she is a really good person. I think I can tell by her lo0ok and the way she sounds really caring when she talks to some.I think I can feel it coming out of her.The girl has a really good and warm heart.

Yes she has voted wrongly and done the wrong things sometimes, but that's largely I think because she is a wreck emotionally inside, as most people are who are treated like that when they've done nothing wrong, and doesn't know who to trust or who is genuine and could be a true friend to her because of it.

[kistar]

Everyone is cleverer than Ashleigh. I have a more intelligent hanging basket.

I bet she is a very good hairdresser , some people are extremely good at practical things , plus if she isnt educated then her teachers are to blame .

[smeagol]

my thoughts are dont be a sucker. she's sneaky one trying to pull the viewers into her cunning plan its just not her nature to be nice she might try but it isnt coming naturally . she just wasnts the precious that skanky troll lol.

[joeysteele]

Everyone is cleverer than Ashleigh. I have a more intelligent hanging basket.

:joker::joker:Livia,you are fantastic. Great humerous comments and likely true too. :joker:

[cfromhx02]

my thoughts are dont be a sucker. she's sneaky one trying to pull the viewers into her cunning plan its just not her nature to be nice she might try but it isnt coming naturally . she just wasnts the precious that skanky troll lol.

True Smeogal. My opinion of her has gone up, but only a little.I still don't trust her and my Orc knive still glows blue when she comes near so there obviously still is something bad inside her.I loved Lord Of The Rings and all of JRR Tolkien's books too Smeogal.

[smeagol]

True Smeogal. My opinion of her has gone up, but only a little.I still don't trust her and my Orc knive still glows blue when she comes near so there obviously still is something bad inside her.I loved Lord Of The Rings and all of JRR Tolkien's books too Smeogal.

lol funny need to send her to mount doom me thinks.
i'm not buying her game for a second. anyone who is with luke s anyway is obviously not good.
she would have to ditch him and be her true self for me to like her

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think Ash and Connor are more suited to each other. They seem to like each other a lot. :)

[smeagol]

I think Ash and Connor are more suited to each other. They seem to like each other a lot. :)

nah i wouldn't wish conor with her i dont dislike her that much lol wouldn't wish him on any woman
he has a gf strangely anyway

she needs to a have a wash sort her self out and try being a housemate not working her way through the guys of the house like a slapper lol

[Patrick]

Her bad points outweigh her good points, largely.

[InOne]

Lauren is the better woman and she knows it. She needs to crawl back into her tramp shed. Hopefully if the whole Luke S thing goes to **** she'll be up and out within 2 weeks.

[Gaynor186]

I think Ashleigh at her best, fulfils the lovable 'dumb blonde' stereotype and lost without a man ....... but at her worst can be vicious when feeling threatened (eg Lauren).

[rayheartbliss]

yea true she' still get boooed

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think Ashleigh at her best, fulfils the lovable 'dumb blonde' stereotype and lost without a man ....... but at her worst can be vicious when feeling threatened (eg Lauren).

Why is she threatened by Lauren? She fancies Arron, not Luke S ! :conf:

[fruit_cake]

I think the OP is stirring us all up, there's not a chance in hell she's going to support Ash :laugh2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think the OP is stirring us all up, there's not a chance in hell she's going to support Ash :laugh2:

I don't understand that girl at all. She changes from nasty to decent so frequently. :conf:

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think the OP is stirring us all up, there's not a chance in hell she's going to support Ash :laugh2:

haha, excuse me, I would never do such a thing :nono: Nah, I'm not going to be supporting her but I don't hate her as much as I did

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

haha, excuse me, I would never do such a thing :nono: Nah, I'm not going to be supporting her but I don't hate her as much as I did

She needs to show her nicer side more.

[ChristmasNeeve]

She needs to show her nicer side more.

Yeah, definitely

[Kizzy]

Come on....You all know I was right admit it! haha!
Love her or hate her she is honest, not the brightest button in the box but I don't see that holding her up for ridicule due to that fact is very constructive...

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yeah, definitely

I liked her chat with Connor. She seems to have more in common with him then with Luke S. :suspect:

[fruit_cake]

she's playing with fire with Conor imo

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

she's playing with fire with Conor imo

She just doesn't seem into Luke at all.

[Marcus.]

She just doesn't seem into Luke at all.

that dont what lauren to go whith luke s

[fruit_cake]

She just doesn't seem into Luke at all.

She doesn't seem into Conor either imo

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

She doesn't seem into Conor either imo

they seem more suited. But maybe they're just good friends. Who knows? Time will tell! :hugesmile:

[Marcus.]

they to get an showmace becase the other one gone