is suicide selfish

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

carried on from the other thread

this has probably been done before but w/e I CBA TO LOOK FOR THE THREAD IF IT HAS

discuss

[Redway]

No. If the said person was really in that much pain then I would respect them for that.

[Niall]

Not at all. If someone tries to commit suicide then they're obviously not well. They just need help. Well for most cases anyway.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ok i dont think it is selfish because if a person is suffering a lot (not psychically but mentally) then they should be allowed to die :hmph:

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish :suspect:

[Mrluvaluva]

I believe so yes. The thoughts of others are not taken into account. I know it can arise from mental health issues, and someone has to be very desperate to do so, but for the whole it is the easy way out, and family and friends have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

[King Gizzard]

Threatening to do it without no real intention is selfish..people who desperately need help and will do it, no

It's selfish as in friends and family having to cope with it all but if the person doesn't have any relatives (and that's probably a main reason why they've done it) then no, itisn't

[Saph]

I don't think its selfish

[Niall]

Not at all. If someone tries to commit suicide then they're obviously not well. They just need help. Well for most cases anyway.

I meant this for like people committing due to psychological problems.

If someone is obviously in pain for their every waking moment then obviously they should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to pull the plug on themselves. It is their body after all.

[joeysteele]

It would seem to be I guess but I personally think it must take as much courage to do it as it would to step back from it,especially when your mind is in turmoil, you are likely an emotional mess, you are wrecked from likely not sleeping at all and not eating right too.

So I would never judge someone who commits suicide, all I do know is I have come across people who really appeared to want to do it, who planned it carefully and barely raised any suspicion that they were going to.
That was learned after they had tried to, and all pointers pointed to that they were serious about it and went about in a full way. however they were found in time, mostly by accident, and once the right care and help was there, most are really happy they were saved and didn't succeed.

I personally wouldn't say selfish in the full meaning of the word but that can be how it is perceived by family, friends and others when it happens.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think its awful that people even consider the feelings of friends/relatives

like if one persons suffering is so great that they literally cannot cope and want to die i actually think its more selfish for people to say 'oh but think about your friends/family' etc

i kinda think its like people with terminal illnesses that want to die sometimes mental illness is just as bad

[Mrluvaluva]

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish :suspect:

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

[Redway]

Scott, this is like the first time you've actually engaged yourself in a serious debate :shocked:

[Mrluvaluva]

i think its awful that people even consider the feelings of friends/relatives

like if one persons suffering is so great that they literally cannot cope and want to die i actually think its more selfish for people to say 'oh but think about your friends/family' etc

i kinda think its like people with terminal illnesses that want to die sometimes mental illness is just as bad

And how do you think a child would feel if it was their mother or father?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

but people saying they find it selfish are judging people that do it

practice what you preach and all that

[Redway]

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

That's what he just did. He said I think...he didn't 'judge others based on their beliefs', as you put it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

And how do you think a child would feel if it was their mother or father?

devastated and maybe knowing that would stop a mother/father from doing it :shrug:

idk but i think if the person wants to die and they have thought it through so its not like a random impulsive thing say after an argument or something then they should still do it

[Mrluvaluva]

but people saying they find it selfish are judging people that do it

practice what you preach and all that

That's an opinion Scott. If you don't think it's selfish, that's your belief. I don't call you cruel for that do I?

[Shaun]

Yes, but then so is expecting your depressed relative/friend/loved one to keep living if they want to end it all.

[Redway]

That's an opinion Scott. If you don't think it's selfish, that's your belief. I don't call you cruel for that do I?

As I said, he himself has said numerous times throughout this thread the phrase 'I think' - which suggests that he is offering his opinion. Take the hint.

[Mrluvaluva]

As I said, he himself has said numerous times throughout this thread the phrase 'I think' - which suggests that he is offering his opinion. Take the hint.

Well obviously we are all discussing our thoughts, so no need for attitude.

[GypsyGoth]

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

[Doogle]

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

:laugh3:

[MTVN]

I don't think so, to just flippantly label someone selfish for doing it is to show no regard for their state of mind and what they must be going through

[arista]

"is suicide selfish"



Yes it is
when they go on a Train Line
that wrecks the whole day
and is not fair on Female Drivers.

Blood Every Place

[Redway]

Well obviously we are all discussing our thoughts, so no need for attitude.

I wasn't having a go - I just pointed out that there's no need repeatedly telling Scott that's just his opinion when that's exactly what he said.

[Redway]

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

:laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

I wasn't having a go - I just pointed out that there's no need repeatedly telling Scott that's just his opinion when that's exactly what he said.

Repeatedly? I was responding to his post stating that he thought people were cruel who thought such people were selfish. Different people have different experiences and different beliefs. All I was saying is do not judge people for thinking as such. I don't need to be told "practice what you preach" from Scott or to "take the hint".

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's extremely selfish

[Livia]

If someone decides to end their life, it's selfish not to respect their decision.

[Ninastar]

yes and no. I think it entirely depends on the circumstance.

like for example, a year 7 in my area ended his life this week because of bullying. It sickens me that it happened to someone that young. I don't believe that he would have thought things through properly. But for someone to do something that drastic at that age, I think it just shows that it's not just a decision that you make because you're 'fed up'. I think there is so much more to it.

[BizarreCharisma]

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

[Mrluvaluva]

yes and no. I think it entirely depends on the circumstance.

like for example, a year 7 in my area ended his life this week because of bullying. It sickens me that it happened to someone that young. I don't believe that he would have thought things through properly. But for someone to do something that drastic at that age, I think it just shows that it's not just a decision that you make because you're 'fed up'. I think there is so much more to it.

I agree. There are so many different situations that can trigger something like this and so many scenarios. I have different views on euthansia too. My replies earlier were a bit one dimensional as to how I was thinking when there are many reasons for people doing so, although I don't necessarily think it's selfish not to respect someones decision as put before. We cannot always agree with other peoples actions. They may not affect us, but other people. I do not think that is necessarily selfish either.

[Ninastar]

I agree. There are so many different situations that can trigger something like this and so many scenarios. I have different views on euthansia too. My replies earlier were a bit one dimensional as to how I was thinking when there are many reasons for people doing so, although I don't necessarily think it's selfish not to respect someones decision as put before. We cannot always agree with other peoples actions. They may not affect us, but other people. I do not think that is necessarily selfish either.

Yeah I totally agree. I don't think it's right to say someone's opinion is 'wrong'. It's something that even people who have had to deal with it themselves struggle to understand. It's not as simple as 'oh it's selfish, what about family members' in my opinion

[joeysteele]

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

A very thought provoking post, really sorry to hear of the tragic way you lost your Uncle.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Mrluvaluva]

Yeah I totally agree. I don't think it's right to say someone's opinion is 'wrong'. It's something that even people who have had to deal with it themselves struggle to understand. It's not as simple as 'oh it's selfish, what about family members' in my opinion

It's not simple at all. And it can leave a lot of questions left unanswered. A whole lot of emotions. Anger, guilt, frustration, and sorrow to name but a few. Some questions may never be answered.

[Mystic Mock]

I think it's cowardly, but I have never felt suicidal before so im probably being harsh but that's how I see it, afterall the person is leaving someone behind 9 times out of 10.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

:worship: so much

also :sad:

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah im sorry about you losing your Uncle bizzareCharisma.

[Patrick]

People say 'They should of thought of their family and friends'

No.
Maybe their family and friends should of been there for them in the first place.

ok i dont think it is selfish because if a person is suffering a lot (not psychically but mentally) then they should be allowed to die :hmph:

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish :suspect:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Mrluvaluva]

Great debate Scott. Your points were really interesting.

[CharlieO]

I dont think so

[fruit_cake]

It depends on who they leave behind, somebody with children seems to me to be a very selfish thing to do but then again without knowing what it's like to be them who really knows.

[Redway]

All great, mature responses on this thread and I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, BizarreCharisma. It just goes to show that nobody is in any position to call someone selfish like that.

[InOne]

No I don't think so. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. If they have got to a point where they want to kill themselves then they've obviously explored avenues and there must be something seriously wrong.

[Kizzy]

I remember a thread like this....It was closed.
Unless you choose to throw yourself into incoming traffic risking others then no.

[thesheriff443]

its a two way street tell someone who is going to die from cancer at a young age and they would say you are selfish
dyeing is easy its living thats hard!
if you take your own life beacuse you are in debt and you cant face telling your wife and kids then you are a selfish bastard

wise words for any one

when you have tryed everything the last thing you try is again!

[Tom4784]

I go back and forth on this issue, it depends on the circumstances. If there's a terminal illness involved then I sympathise but if it's not for health reasons and you have family and friends that love you then I think it's definitely a little selfish since you're just passing your pain and anguish onto the people you care about. If you don't feel as though you can't live for yourself then at least live for the people that love you.

[arista]

No I don't think so. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. If they have got to a point where they want to kill themselves then they've obviously explored avenues and there must be something seriously wrong.



Yes but its Fecking Selfish
to stand in Front of Train
And Women driver will be off work for a month.
The Whole rail stops
while a team clean up the bloody mess.



That Stinks



They should go to a Cliff and jump.

[InOne]

Yes but its Fecking Selfish
to stand in Front of Train
And Women driver will be off work for a month.
The Whole rail stops
while a team clean up the bloody mess.



That Stinks



They should go to a Cliff and jump.

Can the woman not handle it?

[Ammi]

..if you are so unhappy/depressed that you want to end your life then technically it is selfish as I think you are only capable of thinking about yourself and how desperate you feel..but I don't think it's the right of others to judge you for that..
...but I guess if it's a close relative or someone you love dearly then you may feel that perhaps the person could have sought help/medication etc and that it's possible it could have been prevented..there must be a huge sense of guilt too that you were unaware of how unhappy or desperate they were

[Kizzy]

It seems there comes a point where you are incapable of rational thought....Some of us have walked up to the edge of that abyss, but to judge others for stepping into it is wrong.

[arista]

Can the woman not handle it?


A report on a LWT London Tube Docu
had women Train Drivers that had " One Under"
and after the event
lost the nerve to drive a train alone again.


So yes it destroys their future job


All because of a Selfish "One Under"
thats the term they use for the dead on the track.

[Jamie.]

Absolutely not.
If the person wishes to give up their life for whatever reason, it is their choice.

However if the person commits suicide due to their parents taking their phone off them for example, selfish.

But most reasons are not selfish.