Is lukes idea to get an op with the winnings a scam

[sampvt]

He didnt seem all that knowledgable about what needed to be done to complete his gender re asignment. Its been noted on other forums that his gameplan might be the biggest BB has ever seen. I know its getting tough to win BB after Aaron re wrote the book but this could be too hard to swallow.

[rayheartbliss]

i dont think its a gameplay
and im pretty sure he like the others would want to win

his reasons is just better than the others

[Gillian-73]

A scam? what do you mean that he might not really want the surgery?

[Indy]

He's as knowledgeable as he can be without knowing which surgery he's going to get. There's more than one way to do what he needs done, and he's probably been advised not to focus on step 15 when he's still on step 8.

[Marc]

I don't think it's a gameplan tbh. I think people are just too quick ot label people as gameplayers. Pretty petty

[hulakula]

When did he say he was going spend the money (if he wins) on completing his gender reassignment surgery?

[sampvt]

A scam? what do you mean that he might not really want the surgery?

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

[Mrluvaluva]

Surely if he wins he can do with it as he sees fit? :shrug:

Edit. Oh, I see. You think he might have concocted the story to get some kind of "sympathy" vote to win and then use the money for something else? Is that what you mean?

[rayheartbliss]

this thread is disgusting....sure he'd love to win, and its pretty obvious, we all know where that money is possibley going to contribute to his surgery!

we know that
and he knows it too

and now hes a gameplayer?

[sampvt]

Surely if he wins he can do with it as he sees fit? :shrug:

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

[hulakula]

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

He's never portrayed himself as a victim because of his transgender status or even said that he needs to win the money in order to have a phalloplasty. Why do you assume he trying to gain the sympathy vote?

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Luke, I think he was more concerned at what the others housemates reaction to his story would be,which thankfully was all really positive for him from them.

If he were to win however, that amount of money would likely help him a great deal in pursuing all he now requires to be done.
Good luck to him but like others have said,I don't even think I have heard him talk of the prize money, last year we heard loads as to the prize pot from most of those housemates.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

We saw a very edited version of a long conversation where he actually did discuss his mental state and said that he had been living as a man for years and has also accepted mentally that thats what he is.

Your posts are pathetic and anyone who actually agrees with you needs their heads checking.

[Niamh.]

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

What do you mean though, that you think he's not actually transgender?

[Mrluvaluva]

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

I edited my post as I caught on to what you were implying and I have to say I do not agree at all. As far as I am aware he has had reassignment to the breasts etc but has not progressed with the genitalia aspects . His reassignment issues do not cause me personally to be biased towards him in any way or form and I just see it as a game of personalities and look upon their actions etc whilst within the house.

[sampvt]

this thread is disgusting....sure he'd love to win, and its pretty obvious, we all know where that money is possibley going to contribute to his surgery!

we know that
and he knows it too

and now hes a gameplayer?

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

[kistar]

When did he say he was going spend the money (if he wins) on completing his gender reassignment surgery?

See the thread should BB give Luke an operation

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

Yes but you're not analysing you're accusing.

You wrote he never discussed the mental sides of gender reasignment when he actually did.

I suggest before making absurd threads you pay attention to the show otherwise all you're gonna be doing is posting endless threads about something totally ficticious and making yourself look like a moron.

[hulakula]

See the thread should BB give Luke an operation

You haven't answered my question. I presume you are speculating and Luke hasn't disclosed what he is intending to do with the money if he wins.

[kistar]

You haven't answered my question. I presume you are speculating and Luke hasn't disclosed what he is intending to do with the money if he wins.

Have you read through that thread?

[sampvt]

What do you mean though, that you think he's not actually transgender?

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

[billy123]

This "target audience" is wacky.
I miss big brother.

[kistar]

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.
Great thread , you were just posing a question and starting a debate that's what it's all about isn't it?

[Niamh.]

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

Well, he's already had an operation to get rid of his breasts and he's obviously taking testosterone as well, all that would suggest that he's heading towards getting the operation.

[smeagol]

going to the lenghs he has already gone to to achieve his aim sounds like comitment to me.
the idear of a scam is ridiculus.

[sampvt]

Great thread , you were just posing a question and starting a debate that's what it's all about isn't it?

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

[rayheartbliss]

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

you are comparing Luke A's situation to the likes of conor and ashleigh thats completly a different level
and no i completely disagree with name calling becky a whale

as for conor and ashleigh! theirs is well deserved...and the level this topic is at (luke A's transition) is and will always be part of his entire life even after big brother.

and no you were not asking a question, although you've put it in that form
you are simpley trying to put in people's mind that he is using the fact that he is a transgender to win. :nono:

[hulakula]

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

None of us are in any position to question his commitment to his gender assignment surgery . We don't know him. Medical professionals have determined that he is and that the hormone treatment and surgery are necessary, they are more informed than any of us. I don't understand why you feel the need to speculate.

[smeagol]

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

its better to get ganged up on than gangbanged lol well unless yr kinky :joker:

[hulakula]

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

We're not ganging up on you, just challenging your opinion.

[kistar]

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

Your welcome people just take things too seriously sometimes.xxxxxxxxxxx

[sampvt]

None of us are in any position to question his commitment to his gender assignment surgery . We don't know him. Medical professionals have determined that he is and that the hormone treatment and surgery are necessary, they are more informed than any of us. I don't understand why you feel the need to speculate.

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

[rachelricci]

why is it when ever i see your name, you allways seem to be doubting trans folk sampvt, anyway as others have said we are only seeing small parts of a much longer convosation, and to clear some things up, some trans men and women do not get the op, for many reasons, it could be medical, personal or even money issues.
from what i have seen, he wants the op and its not unusal for trans people to not know EVERY LITTLE THING about the op as for some its hurts to think about as they cannot have it now/cannot afford it. also as said in this bored you do get told not to get ahead of yourself. i can say now as a MTF i dont know everything about the op...there is so many diffrent ways now diffrent surgons have diffrent methods. so to not know everything about it before you have to make the desision and have to money do to so is not unusal. and in my oppinion it isnt a scam, or gameplaying and i have never heard him say he was going to spend the money on that.

[rayheartbliss]

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

is this serious? :conf:

[kistar]

We're not ganging up on you, just challenging your opinion.

They said his thread was disgusting , it's not disgusting it's a source of forum discussion like you say .

[kistar]

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Exactly

[hulakula]

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Your speculations appear to be based on nothing but prejudice. You're not providing any solid evidence to support your ideas. You seem fixated on the idea that Luke isn't commuted gender reassignment based on on concrete evidence.

[Jayson]

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Everyone's ideas will be met with equal opposition. That is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum.

[rachelricci]

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

ok. every time ive seen you, you have been commenting harsh trans based comments, i am now going to speculate that you are prejudist does that sound ok :)

p.s sorry about mah spelling :hugesmile:

[rayheartbliss]

just read the title of the thread.

is that a speculation or manipulation?

you have almost stated you're opinion in the form of a question

hell, you didnt even bother putting a question mark to what you claim to be a question

[kistar]

why is it when ever i see your name, you allways seem to be doubting trans folk sampvt, anyway as others have said we are only seeing small parts of a much longer convosation, and to clear some things up, some trans men and women do not get the op, for many reasons, it could be medical, personal or even money issues.
from what i have seen, he wants the op and its not unusal for trans people to not know EVERY LITTLE THING about the op as for some its hurts to think about as they cannot have it now/cannot afford it. also as said in this bored you do get told not to get ahead of yourself. i can say now as a MTF i dont know everything about the op...there is so many diffrent ways now diffrent surgons have diffrent methods. so to not know everything about it before you have to make the desision and have to money do to so is not unusal. and in my oppinion it isnt a scam, or gameplaying and i have never heard him say he was going to spend the money on that.The thing is no one is saying they have a problem with a guy who was a girl that wasn't the question, I hope Luke A has a happy life with his wife etc etc etc sampvt was just posing a question he wasn't saying he was for or against a human being making a choice in life.

[Gizmo]

Everyone's ideas will be met with equal opposition. That is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum.

Relativism is rife on forums. Posters who have more expertise aren't perceived as more informed, whatever their background or qualifications. That's the essence of modern society anyway whether you agree with it or not. Ignorance is tolerated and remains unchallenged.

[rachelricci]

The thing is no one is saying they have a problem with a guy who was a girl that wasn't the question, I hope Luke A has a happy life with his wife etc etc etc sampvt was just posing a question he wasn't saying he was for or against a human being making a choice in life.

the thing is he has int he past...even saying luke should be called "she"
the only times ive sene him comment is agesnt luke and being trans is all ways involed

[kistar]

its better to get ganged up on than gangbanged lol well unless yr kinky :joker:

Smeagol you are funny :joker:

[Petershaw1984]

I hope its not cos he seems a decent lad

[kistar]

the thing is he has int he past...even saying luke should be called "she"
the only times ive sene him comment is agesnt luke and being trans is all ways involed

Ok I hear what you are saying maybe I missed those posts, though sometimes questions can seem to be statements and the posts I have seen are from an intelligent person who wouldn't discriminate.

[Gillian-73]

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

We don't know the full extent of the conversation we get an edited version so we can't make judgements like that. I can't or won't anyway!

[rayheartbliss]

He didnt seem all that knowledgable about what needed to be done to complete his gender re asignment. Its been noted on other forums that his gameplan might be the biggest BB has ever seen. I know its getting tough to win BB after Aaron re wrote the book but this could be too hard to swallow.

read the last part of his post

somebody tell me that isnt manipulating/patronising people againts luke A....


:wavey:

[sampvt]

read the last part of his post

somebody tell me that isnt manipulating/patronising people againts luke A....


:wavey:

Rayheartbliss. Ok matey you win, you have bullied me into submission. I wont post anything again, will that make you happy. Im sick of you guys doing a hatchet job on my ideas and persona.

I will slink away a broken man to allow you lads to assasinate someone elses ideas that you dont agree with.

[rayheartbliss]

Rayheartbliss. Ok matey you win, you have bullied me into submission. I wont post anything again, will that make you happy. Im sick of you guys doing a hatchet job on my ideas and persona.

I will slink away a broken man to allow you lads to assasinate someone elses ideas that you dont agree with.

no people just saw you're true intention for this thread.

[sampvt]

no people just saw you're true intention for this thread.

Give it a rest mate, you are far from being a competent psycoanalist and your feeble attempt to make this all about you being right and me being wrong borders on pathetic.

Ive apologised and bowed out but you keep on poking, hardly the sign of a reasonable person.

[kistar]

Give it a rest mate, you are far from being a competent psycoanalist and your feeble attempt to make this all about you being right and me being wrong borders on pathetic.

Ive apologised and bowed out but you keep on poking, hardly the sign of a reasonable person.

What are these people on? It puts you off starting threads to be honest when you get stomped on from a great height.

[rayheartbliss]

Give it a rest mate, you are far from being a competent psycoanalist and your feeble attempt to make this all about you being right and me being wrong borders on pathetic.

Ive apologised and bowed out but you keep on poking, hardly the sign of a reasonable person.

talk about reasonable person....

:spin: