So is he hopeless with women?

[cassieparis]

Or reacting badly to being rejected ?
He does come over as hapless when trying to express his more complex feelings
:puzzled::shrug::sad:

[rayheartbliss]

yeah i think he fancies deana

and she is not even impressed with his looks that he is proud of
i think thats why he picks on her

if a girl doesnt like him, he'd make them out to be a drama queen or a bitch

[cassieparis]

:sad:He's making me sad. It's like he's in year 5.
I spotted the Deana thing but he got quite nasty with it.
He needs a coach. A flirting coach.
He wouldn't know flirt if it fell on him.:pat:

[MatthewS]

I actually think his "game" might not be that bad. I'm willing to bet him and Sara go out for drinks or something after the series. As much as I don't particularly care for him, he may actually be playing his cards right when it comes to that. He's been completely honest and hasn't played into anything...

[cassieparis]

I actually think his "game" might not be that bad. I'm willing to bet him and Sara go out for drinks or something after the series. As much as I don't particularly care for him, he may actually be playing his cards right when it comes to that. He's been completely honest and hasn't played into anything...

but he also gets all shouty righteous angry and in need of much reassurance. :conf: and not very assertive more aggressive

[MatthewS]

Well, to be fair, he said he thinks shes alright and would like to get to know her after the show. That's a stand-up thing imo, doesn't want to do anything in the house and I can't blame him for that. But the girls have caught hold of it and won't drop the issue, it must get so annoying....

[realitytvsux]

I think his hopelessness with women stems from the fact that he doesn't actually like them very much.

[cassieparis]

I think his hopelessness with women stems from the fact that he doesn't actually like them very much.

What gay or straight and misogynistic. Not that the 2 are synonymous?!!

[joeysteele]

I think he is aware of the BB house and he doesn't wish to be involved with anyone in a too intense way on TV.
He may have some issues as to fearing rejection from women and dating but I could believe he does really deep down like and admire Deana now.
Like when he mentioned flowers and a girl, Deana jumped in to side with him.he has a lot going for him, I think he needs lots of re-assurances though which makes him seem awkward as to even talking about relationships.

[Johnnyuk123]

He wants man time with Conor!

[DanielLuis]

I really think he does fancy Deana....he's been flirting with her quite a lot hasnt he?

[joeysteele]

I really think he does fancy Deana....he's been flirting with her quite a lot hasnt he?

Yes, I do now think he does.It can be a very thin line between love and hate.

[Bluerang1]

Thanks for this thread. I was looking for somewhere to post this realisation.

Arron looks like a complete douchebag from my school! :amazed: Shares the personality too. No wonder I dislike him, even though I have no beef with the guy from school.

[realitytvsux]

What gay or straight and misogynistic. Not that the 2 are synonymous?!!

Straight (probably) and misogynistic - he really seems to dislike women a lot

[fitz2k2]

this man will never get married

[joeysteele]

this man will never get married

Nothing wrong in that, I doubt I ever will either.

[cassieparis]

Straight (probably) and misogynistic - he really seems to dislike women a lot

I think he's straight but frightened and full of bravado and shame.
I think that if he's lucky he will experience something profound that stops him believing looks are enough. Which will then encourage him to nourish and educate his depth.
When Arron feels vulnerable -as in wanting to be liked- he gets angry

[Scotty07]

Looked seriously pissed with Sara not throwing herself at him.:joker: Don't find her attractive personally, so funny that he's that bothered.:joker:

[rinkydinkpanther]

i dont think is he bothered really, its just some nonsense to fill his time

[Colbert-Bump]

Arron is bored, you can tell Caroline wants him.

[rinkydinkpanther]

will sara emerge from the pack eventually???? shes not been sussed out yet

[alex_front2]

Arron is bored, you can tell Caroline wants him.
Yep Caroline definetely fancies him imo. She remains reticent - none of her trademark snarky comments -and has a look of pain whenever Arron attempts to chat up Sara.

[Munchkins]

He's absolutely terrible with women ;L

[Cherry Christmas]

I think Arron just doenst want to go down the route of a romance in the house, I dont think he fancies Sarah, in fact I dont think he fancies anyone, though I can see him perhaps getting closer to Deana if Shrek were to exit the building. Luke S was just being bitchy and was a bit annoyed as they had taken the piss out of him during his picnic, he thought everyone would be in awe of his romantic gesture, and instead, Shrek, Arron and Caroline were taking the pee (very funny singing), he couldnt start on Shrek or Caroline so took the easy target.

[Ammi]

Nothing wrong in that, I doubt I ever will either.

..oh Joey you've left me with a huge clean up of young broken hearts after that post

[Yayita]

He has no game with women, usually very good loking lads have that problem. They tend to rely on their looks and dont learn how to flirt or engage women with conversation. He himself has said that women usually throw themselves at him.

On the other hand, average and less attractive men develop better communication and seductory skills because they cant just rely on looks alone. This is classic and happens all the time.

Arron has no skills and gets easily frustrated, this then turns into anger because he cannot get what he wants and in turn lashes out at the women and goes into these random tyrades that make him look even worst in the eyes of the public and his housemates.

[fruit_cake]

I don't think anyone can really take him seriously, he's spent so much time pretending to be a vacant idiot to fit in and unsurprisingly, women are confused by it.

[AshesonMars]

Or reacting badly to being rejected ?
He does come over as hapless when trying to express his more complex feelings
:puzzled::shrug::sad:

He's a blatant misogynist. I doubt he could pull a woman if he tried.

[Ammi]

..'If you're not getting it with your hot smokin girlfriend..then you'll get it with another hot smokin girl'....what lady out there could possibly resist that philosophy

..Clintons Cards are after the copywrite

[net]

The only person Arron is into is... Arron!

[Ammi]

The only person Arron is into is... Arron!

..welcome to tibb

[Livia]

He's relied on his looks too long, he doesn't know how to be charming.

[Ammi]

He's relied on his looks too long, he doesn't know how to be charming.

..he has photogenic good looks..but absolutely no sex appeal

..charm..I doubt he's familiar with that word

[Livia]

..'if you're not getting it with your hot smokin girlfriend..then you'll get it with another hot smokin girl'....what lady out there could possibly resist that philosophy

..clintons cards are after the copywrite

lol...

[Carniala]

this man will never get married

Who wants to marry a girl when we know women are only after money and are never honest about anything? Deana is the perfect example of a gold digger, She got really mad at Luke S for being spot on, he said the right things and she got mad and started to spread lies, then being two face as always, she even said to Ashleigh that she thought she was being honest but not Luke S when we all know it is the other way around.

Deana knows that Ashleigh has had second thoughts from the beginning, would Deana tell Luke S the truth, that she knows Ashleigh is maybe not honest with him and therefore saying that she thinks the relation is fake, not because of Luke S but because of Ashleigh? No because Deana lies all the time, just like Luke A, and Lydia did.

I am amazed at listening to the BBOTS audience and reading all things nasty about Luke S and Arron, when in fact they are the most honest and straight talking in the house, Luke S never speaks about other HM and if he has something to say to any of them, he goes and tell them, but he is not nasty.

Arron may be a prankster, but like he said they are all bored to death, and he like action, so he amuses himself by doing innocent pranks, not vicious personal attacks like Benedict did out of jealousy, Did any of the Scientist shared any of the food they got while doing the task? no, but for Luke S to get a reward for resisting temptation, is not acceptable, but for Luke A or anyone else to get extras, it is fine.

I think the only crime Luke S and Arron are guilty of is to be White and Male and not the underdogs. Luke A does nothing in the house but because he is a transgender he is viewed as a god, but Luke S and Arron are nasty just for existing, that is the result of society, not their actions in any way.

And since women wants to be equal, I make a point of treating them just as they treat me, no exceptions, not special treatment, they are nice, I am being nice, they are bitches, like 90% of women, I treat them like bitches, simple, in my book everyone starts at 100% respect, they give it back, they get it back, they don't give it back, I give them a first chance, they still don't give it back, I start acting like a mirror and give back exactly what they give.

If women have a problem with that, I don't give a ****, I deserve better.

[Carniala]

lol...

Well, women only get what they deserve, if they cant be nice why would guys be nice, women do not deserve any special perks or attentions, they want to be equals, they have to get with the program, if they don;t like it, go in the kitchen and make sandwiches, otherwise, same crime, same punishment.

Life and equality is not a buffet, where you chose what you like and leave the rest to the guys, if women want respect, they have to treat others with respect, they don't do it ever, and they think the guys are going to put up with it just because they are girls and they supposedly deserve a special pass, well, wake up, guys are getting pretty fed up of the nasty attitude, guys don;t ever get a break or special pass, so they expect girls to get the same, they want to be equal, then act equal and get it on the chin when you do nasty things.

Women are never held accountable for any of their actions, it is about time guys wake up and give it back to them.

[Carniala]

He's a blatant misogynist. I doubt he could pull a woman if he tried.

He is not misogynist, he does not get the crap others are taking, he is honest and told Sara, how he felt, but Sara does not ever tell anything back, if she was honest, she would tell him if she is interested or if she is not, but women are never honest and they always blame the guy for all their dishonesty, tell the truth, you don't have to be nasty, just say, I am not interested and everyone will move on.

I think the most disgusting rumor is the Luke S is being fake, when everyone in the house apart from Arron and Luke S knows that Ashleigh has seconds thoughts about Luke S, but did anyone of the nasty group (Deana, Luke A, Adam, Lauren and Lydia and Benedict) told him about it? no, but they all say he is the bad one, when I think he is genuinely in love with Ashleigh, but probably not the other way around. But he is the guy so automatically he is guilty and the nasty one.

That is misandry.

[jyunga]

I doubt he is bad with women at all. I think it's more that outside the house he has a large pick of any girls. Meaning, if they thing he is a dickhead, he just moves on to the next girl. In the house he doesn't have many options, if he gets brushed off he has to stick around and deal with the rejection and not have the option of picking up another girl.

[alex_front2]

Arron just uses his looks to get girls and expects them
all to throw themselves at his feet. No effort no charm.

He has a maasive ego and sense of entitlement.When girls dont fancy him he either thinks they are just playing hard to get or they're b*tches.
Sara has revealed in Snog, Marry, Avoid that she found Chris attractive but Arron's ego cant accept this.

Arron's ego is so fragile the concept of rejection genuinely
scares him. He needs to know if Sara has any feelings before
he'll proceed. He has no sense of romance, he cant flirt as that
would mean being vulnerable and of course Arron cant handle
that.

[maryse12]

Arron can't deal with rejection. As Arron said he has 'women throwing themselves at him on the outside'! Arron can't figure out why Sara doesn't fancy him and it clearly bothers him.

[alex_front2]

Arron actually looked really vulnerable in bedroom.
Sincere even.

[joeysteele]

He's a decent guy overall, he is in a profession where some women will in fact literally throw themselves at him.It is likely the reason he has formed the opinions and actions he has.

He doesn't seem to have any wooing skills,he also seems quite awkard as to having to seemingly be involved in the chase.he has done little wrong and many men in his work are unsure and seem weak in those situations despite their outward bravado.

He does come up with sensible lines though, his view of buying flowers,totally supported by Deana as giving a girl something that is in effect dying and wil die was a good one.
However some women love to receive flowers so it's clear he has a lot to learn as to women skills.
None of those inhibitions and attitude though makes him a bad person to be pilloried just because he struggles clearly with women and likely relationships too.

He is childish at times but for goodness sake most of the tasks they get are way more childish and daft than his pranks etc,

So he is not very good and likely immature at winning girls over in the romantic sense,it's hardly the crime of the century and there are, in my view anyway, likely loads more people like Arron is with his awkwardness around and as to women just as there will be women in the same boat as towards men too.
Not something I would criticise,I would try to have some understanding for that preferably rather slating him for it.

[joeysteele]

Who wants to marry a girl when we know women are only after money and are never honest about anything? Deana is the perfect example of a gold digger, She got really mad at Luke S for being spot on, he said the right things and she got mad and started to spread lies, then being two face as always, she even said to Ashleigh that she thought she was being honest but not Luke S when we all know it is the other way around.

Deana knows that Ashleigh has had second thoughts from the beginning, would Deana tell Luke S the truth, that she knows Ashleigh is maybe not honest with him and therefore saying that she thinks the relation is fake, not because of Luke S but because of Ashleigh? No because Deana lies all the time, just like Luke A, and Lydia did.

I am amazed at listening to the BBOTS audience and reading all things nasty about Luke S and Arron, when in fact they are the most honest and straight talking in the house, Luke S never speaks about other HM and if he has something to say to any of them, he goes and tell them, but he is not nasty.

Arron may be a prankster, but like he said they are all bored to death, and he like action, so he amuses himself by doing innocent pranks, not vicious personal attacks like Benedict did out of jealousy, Did any of the Scientist shared any of the food they got while doing the task? no, but for Luke S to get a reward for resisting temptation, is not acceptable, but for Luke A or anyone else to get extras, it is fine.

I think the only crime Luke S and Arron are guilty of is to be White and Male and not the underdogs. Luke A does nothing in the house but because he is a transgender he is viewed as a god, but Luke S and Arron are nasty just for existing, that is the result of society, not their actions in any way.

And since women wants to be equal, I make a point of treating them just as they treat me, no exceptions, not special treatment, they are nice, I am being nice, they are bitches, like 90% of women, I treat them like bitches, simple, in my book everyone starts at 100% respect, they give it back, they get it back, they don't give it back, I give them a first chance, they still don't give it back, I start acting like a mirror and give back exactly what they give.

If women have a problem with that, I don't give a ****, I deserve better.

First rate post in my view, I can go along with near all you say, also it amazes me that some men seem to like to be really put down by women, Deana for instance in the information as to her as to her application for BB, in it she says that 'all men are liars'.
Clearly she likely has as many issues as to men as Arron maybe has as to women. That is okay though because it is Deana saying it.
If a guy said that as to women generally you would get endless sexist charges flying at them left right and centre.

As you say respect needs to be earned not expected just becasue someone is of a different sex.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Arron is useless at chatting up women! Bless him! :tongue:

[fruit_cake]

Sara has crushed him for want of a better word.

[joeysteele]

I never saw anything likely between him and Sara anyway, he likes her but she sort of teases him.
This all started as to him and Sara from the others pushing Sara to get interested in him, he has clearly laid out that he will have no fake romance or even real romance for the cameras or in a TV show so good on him and Sara should say the same and just be friendly towards him.

She should also have the courage to to tell the other females pushing it as to her and Arron to clear off.